Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years - Euro to oil
Another concern about the dollar is that much of the US debt is held by foreign investors mainly in China and Japan. They are growing increasingly nervous as they watch the dollar plummet. When they decide to unload dubya is going to be in deep doo doo. Ken --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all, I was in Austria looking at marvellous renewable technologies, Biomass heating systems, large scale biogas, solar panels on nearly every roof in sight, biodiesel at the pump, when i heard the news of dubya's win it confirmed to me that this must be the way forwards, further from this the only other way that this man can be stopped if the oil is traded in euro, thus effectively pulling the financial rug from under his feet, a topic that has done the rounds before on the biofuels group, has anyone heard any more countries looking towards buying in euros? dino's dead, long live biofuel dD _ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years - Euro to oil
I assume the answer to that will be the offering of higher interest rates. Of course raising the rate will kill real estate etc. in the US. :( Kirk --- Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another concern about the dollar is that much of the US debt is held by foreign investors mainly in China and Japan. They are growing increasingly nervous as they watch the dollar plummet. When they decide to unload dubya is going to be in deep doo doo. Ken --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all, I was in Austria looking at marvellous renewable technologies, Biomass heating systems, large scale biogas, solar panels on nearly every roof in sight, biodiesel at the pump, when i heard the news of dubya's win it confirmed to me that this must be the way forwards, further from this the only other way that this man can be stopped if the oil is traded in euro, thus effectively pulling the financial rug from under his feet, a topic that has done the rounds before on the biofuels group, has anyone heard any more countries looking towards buying in euros? dino's dead, long live biofuel dD __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
Thank you Tim, I would send this off list but your email address is not a part of the forward. So here is a personal comment for Tim. I have worked in a blue-color/ agrarian community for 23 years and thoroughly enjoy the people and the wide range of diversity. It is wonderful to have such a varied clientele which includes more and more people getting out of the city. New staff members are always surprised at the conversation changes that happen throughout the day. After I have been seeing a person for year after year, we are friends. While interviewing potential, new staff members, one of the first things that we stress is that each person is treated as an individual. There is no discrimination (other than asking past due accounts to pay up before new making a new bill). Many of our people have Polish, German, and/or Spanish as a first language--of course they are now the older ones, as the young people come out of the same mold--Walt Disney and media mania. The number of children that do not know how to carry on a conversation is shocking. Lack of eye contact, inability to articulate, no reason to have an opinion, and similar traits seem to be a reflection of a generation and not a heritage or educational opportunity. As a baby-boomer, I knew that the only way I could raise my social, economic, and educational status was to do well in school, extra-curricular activities, and any job I could find. The work ethic and study diligence was a means to an end. We were an overly competitive generation. Being on the honor roll was a major status achievement. Too bad the majority of my generation never learned the next lesson--love of earth, appreciation for the simple things in life, and moderation. The important thing is what is passed on to your children. Now that we have our first grandchildren (twin girls), the discrepancies seem even more important. The Journey to Forever must be relayed to the next generation. Understanding the principles is an imperative! It is sometimes difficult to teach an in-law to recycle, conserve, and appreciate not spending. Challenges on the home front require political action and finesse just like any other bigger picture in politics. Oh well, my family always referred to me as the eccentric one. Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ferguson Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results Hey Peggy, I agree that their are several kinds of smart (if you will). I have an Aunt who holds three Doctorate degrees but yet can't function at all in the daily task without assistance. Some of the smartest men and women I know I meet at the farmers market, the coop or feed store would no doubt test unfavorably on an IQ test. I value their opinion no less than I do the college professor at UGA who I discuss agricultural topics with frequently. The only true ignorance, in my meager opinion, is to discount the knowledge and or experience of either. My Grandfather is a Bishop in the Church and has great wisdom with only a 5th grade education. My wife's Grandfather ,who recently passed away, was a farmer with only a 6th grade education yet commanded the respect of the professors at UGA as well as the news media from Atlanta regarding local agricultural issues. He was also very involved in politics (head of the polling stations in our county). Both men are and were given great honor and respect from very strong willed wives who did not complete high school. Non of them would perform very well on an IQ test but their intelligence is far greater than that which is measurable from a test. All people should have the same level of respect regardless of some test score. But it just isn't so. I know when I am seen in town by strangers in my work boots, overalls and straw cap I get superior looks from them. But when strangers see me walking from the plane I just landed at their local airport, I'm viewed differently, as if worthy of being in their company. Am I not the same man? In politics it's not about respecting people and accepting them for who they are but rather about gaining their votes. Both parties will pander to the various groups in hopes of winning. But the respect for (or the lack thereof)those persons they are wooing doesn't change. I am no better than a poor starving person in any country, and neither is the wealthiest person on the face of this earth any better than me. Our circumstances are only different. And when our governments and social groups determine to make life better for all mankind and not just for their mankind then we can really begin to see change. Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peggy Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
Great quote! P. The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -- Samuel Johnson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
Hey Peggy, I agree that their are several kinds of smart (if you will). I have an Aunt who holds three Doctorate degrees but yet can't function at all in the daily task without assistance. Some of the smartest men and women I know I meet at the farmers market, the coop or feed store would no doubt test unfavorably on an IQ test. I value their opinion no less than I do the college professor at UGA who I discuss agricultural topics with frequently. The only true ignorance, in my meager opinion, is to discount the knowledge and or experience of either. My Grandfather is a Bishop in the Church and has great wisdom with only a 5th grade education. My wife's Grandfather ,who recently passed away, was a farmer with only a 6th grade education yet commanded the respect of the professors at UGA as well as the news media from Atlanta regarding local agricultural issues. He was also very involved in politics (head of the polling stations in our county). Both men are and were given great honor and respect from very strong willed wives who did not complete high school. Non of them would perform very well on an IQ test but their intelligence is far greater than that which is measurable from a test. All people should have the same level of respect regardless of some test score. But it just isn't so. I know when I am seen in town by strangers in my work boots, overalls and straw cap I get superior looks from them. But when strangers see me walking from the plane I just landed at their local airport, I'm viewed differently, as if worthy of being in their company. Am I not the same man? In politics it's not about respecting people and accepting them for who they are but rather about gaining their votes. Both parties will pander to the various groups in hopes of winning. But the respect for (or the lack thereof)those persons they are wooing doesn't change. I am no better than a poor starving person in any country, and neither is the wealthiest person on the face of this earth any better than me. Our circumstances are only different. And when our governments and social groups determine to make life better for all mankind and not just for their mankind then we can really begin to see change. Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peggy Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results Hello Tim, About twenty-five years ago an article was published on 7 kinds of smart (and we all know that this is an arbitrary definition). I can't recall all of the divisions presented and many people revere one over the other. However, appreciating these defined abilities means that the highest intelligence would need to be judged in many facets... and superman is a fantasy. Fun on a weekend Peggy Possible kinds of smart: Memory Logic Body Kinetics Sound and Color Applications Intuition Add your own... You are smart in more ways than you know. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ferguson Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 2:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results Does this imply that everyone has a right to exist but only those of the highest intellect have the right to govern or elect those who govern? And what is the cutoff that determines who is in which segment? Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Redler Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results Can anyone substantiate this? http://geekgossip.net/2004election_by_iq.png Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -- Samuel Johnson --- Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Peggy, I agree that their are several kinds of smart (if you will). I have an Aunt who holds three Doctorate degrees but yet can't function at all in the daily task without assistance. Some of the smartest men and women I know I meet at the farmers market, the coop or feed store would no doubt test unfavorably on an IQ test. I value their opinion no less than I do the college professor at UGA who I discuss agricultural topics with frequently. The only true ignorance, in my meager opinion, is to discount the knowledge and or experience of either. My Grandfather is a Bishop in the Church and has great wisdom with only a 5th grade education. My wife's Grandfather ,who recently passed away, was a farmer with only a 6th grade education yet commanded the respect of the professors at UGA as well as the news media from Atlanta regarding local agricultural issues. He was also very involved in politics (head of the polling stations in our county). Both men are and were given great honor and respect from very strong willed wives who did not complete high school. Non of them would perform very well on an IQ test but their intelligence is far greater than that which is measurable from a test. All people should have the same level of respect regardless of some test score. But it just isn't so. I know when I am seen in town by strangers in my work boots, overalls and straw cap I get superior looks from them. But when strangers see me walking from the plane I just landed at their local airport, I'm viewed differently, as if worthy of being in their company. Am I not the same man? In politics it's not about respecting people and accepting them for who they are but rather about gaining their votes. Both parties will pander to the various groups in hopes of winning. But the respect for (or the lack thereof)those persons they are wooing doesn't change. I am no better than a poor starving person in any country, and neither is the wealthiest person on the face of this earth any better than me. Our circumstances are only different. And when our governments and social groups determine to make life better for all mankind and not just for their mankind then we can really begin to see change. Best wishes, Tim __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
I've heard that they are bogus, but the person who told me spent the time to research accurate figures and the following analysis. So, that last graphic turned out to be taken from an old hoax, circa 2000. But, curious, I dug up the real data. So, here it is. And there's a numerical correlation of 26.7% between IQ and margin of victory for Kerry. Meaning that 26.7% of how much a state voted for Bush, statistically speaking, can be explained by related to their collective IQ. It's important to note that correlation does not imply causation. But there is a legitimate relationship there, numerically. Chris -- Ask this person what math he/she used to arrive at that correlation. While you're at it, see if you can determine his/her credentials as a statistician. Remember -- There are lies; damned lies; and then, there are statistics. The site I provided (http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQstates.htm) has a link to more reasonable numbers. There are numbers that are based around elementary school testing (reading and math) and sets based around SAT/ACT data. The results really aren't that compelling. Bush states come in with an average of 99, Kerry states with an average of 101. An interesting fact of note -- southern states, with larger minority groups, typically have lower IQ averages and typically vote Democrat. Even they did not vote for Kerry. For that matter, Edwards' home state didn't fall in line with the ticket. Of course, the losing side is just claiming foul play -- disenfranchisement, challengers, lost ballots, hanging chads, and so forth. The Democrats also lost further control of congress and other political seats -- even Daschle was unseated. In the end, the Democrats just went with the wrong candidate; had they gone with Dean, Bush would not be getting a second term. Kerry States: District of Columbia95 Delaware99 Hawaii 99 California 100 Maine 100 New Jersey 100 Pennsylvania100 Rhode Island100 Maryland101 Michigan101 New York101 Connecticut 102 Illinois102 Minnesota 102 Washington 102 Oregon 103 New Hampshire 104 Vermont 102 Massachusetts 103 Wisconsin 103 Bush States: Mississippi 94 South Carolina 94 New Mexico 96 Alabama 97 Georgia 97 Kentucky97 Louisiana 97 North Carolina 97 Tennessee 97 Texas 97 Florida 98 Arkansas98 Indiana 99 Arizona 100 Idaho 100 Nevada 100 South Dakota100 Virginia100 West Virginia 100 Alaska 101 Missouri101 Ohio101 Utah101 Wyoming 101 Colorado102 Iowa102 Kansas 102 Montana 102 Nebraska102 North Dakota102 Oklahoma102 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years
Gustl, Very well said and do not forget the most common one, that if you criticize a women, you are a male chauvinist pig. It is a sad debate tactic, used by the ones who do not have a valid arguments. The principle is the same as preemptive attack and have little to do with facts, as we have seen in the latest strategies in Iraq. Hakan At 03:37 PM 11/6/2004, you wrote: Hallo Jonathan, Thursday, 04 November, 2004, 23:07:47, you wrote: Our problem is that we are having trouble coming together as a species right now. I do see that it is getting slowly better and better, but very slowly. People are so slow to understand and quick to anger. If someone criticizes theactions of the Republicans they are automatically labelled a liberal. I someone criticizes the actions of the Israeli zionists they are labelled anti-semitic. I a white man criticizes the actions of a black man they are labelled racist. Without even giving a thought to it, without rational and unbiased examination, without even a care as to the validity of the criticism. What appears to be happening is that folks are not so much concerned with the correctness of the proposition, but rather with their winning the argument at any cost. My side wins. How sorry is that? What about truth wins, right wins, morality wins? For myself, I like it when I am proven wrong about something because that gives me the opportunity to change my beliefs and position to be more in line with what is right and true. I don't like being wrong about things and am more than willing to adjust to what is right. I don't think a lot of folks are like that. It seems that somehow they have more of an investment in winning the argument than in really being right. Competition has its limits and drawbacks and is over rated. Given the choice between cooperation and competition I would choose cooperation. A person has to want to understand before a rational conversation, discussion or argument can get underway. Over in a neighboring town there is a guy who refuses to understand anyone who disagrees with him. I have spoken with him and I get more and more simple in my explainations to the point where a child could understand what I am saying and he refuses to understand because he would then lose his position and it would force him to change and he is unwilling to to this. We just need to keep on trying, and for those of us believing in such things, praying, and have faith that a brighter and better day will come. And yes, friend, peace to us all. Happy Happy, Gustl JD Man... JD Dubya??? JD Unite = join, fuse, mix, bone, Come together· I could go on and on· JD If We as a Country do not Unite is some way then we as a Country are weak. We all do not have to agree on every issue. That is the very thing that makes this Country unique. Remember· Freedom of JD speech, religious conviction· JD Look· The only thing I want to get across is that I did not like the out come of this election. However, as an American, I feel that we all must seek some sort of common ground. JD Without it, I donât see us moving forward. The past is just that! The past. We need to learn from it and move forward. JD Peace to us all, JD Jonathan JD Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JD on 11/4/04 4:06 PM, Jonathan Dunlap at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. ?United We Stand? Divided We Fall?. JD I will never unite (whatever that means) with anyone under Dubya JD or any other jerk who may come along. If that means we fall (whatever JD THAT means), sobeit. JD California oughta be a separate country anyway -- I'd hardly call that JD falling. -K -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
is/her credentials as a statistician. Remember -- There are lies; damned lies; and then, there are statistics. The site I provided (http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQstates.htm) has a link to more reasonable numbers. There are numbers that are based around elementary school testing (reading and math) and sets based around SAT/ACT data. The results really aren't that compelling. Bush states come in with an average of 99, Kerry states with an average of 101. An interesting fact of note -- southern states, with larger minority groups, typically have lower IQ averages and typically vote Democrat. Even they did not vote for Kerry. For that matter, Edwards' home state didn't fall in line with the ticket. Of course, the losing side is just claiming foul play -- disenfranchisement, challengers, lost ballots, hanging chads, and so forth. The Democrats also lost further control of congress and other political seats -- even Daschle was unseated. In the end, the Democrats just went with the wrong candidate; had they gone with Dean, Bush would not be getting a second term. Kerry States: District of Columbia 95 Delaware 99 Hawaii99 California100 Maine 100 New Jersey100 Pennsylvania 100 Rhode Island 100 Maryland 101 Michigan 101 New York 101 Connecticut 102 Illinois 102 Minnesota 102 Washington102 Oregon103 New Hampshire 104 Vermont 102 Massachusetts 103 Wisconsin 103 Bush States: Mississippi 94 South Carolina94 New Mexico96 Alabama 97 Georgia 97 Kentucky 97 Louisiana 97 North Carolina97 Tennessee 97 Texas 97 Florida 98 Arkansas 98 Indiana 99 Arizona 100 Idaho 100 Nevada100 South Dakota 100 Virginia 100 West Virginia 100 Alaska101 Missouri 101 Ohio 101 Utah 101 Wyoming 101 Colorado 102 Iowa 102 Kansas102 Montana 102 Nebraska 102 North Dakota 102 Oklahoma 102 Maybe levels of education would be more meaningful, since the difference here in IQ points predicts nothing about potential intelligence. Do you have stats on education levels attained handy? Regards, Dan V ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years - Euro to oil
Hi to all, I was in Austria looking at marvellous renewable technologies, Biomass heating systems, large scale biogas, solar panels on nearly every roof in sight, biodiesel at the pump, when i heard the news of dubya's win it confirmed to me that this must be the way forwards, further from this the only other way that this man can be stopped if the oil is traded in euro, thus effectively pulling the financial rug from under his feet, a topic that has done the rounds before on the biofuels group, has anyone heard any more countries looking towards buying in euros? dino's dead, long live biofuel dD _ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years - Euro to oil
Hi to all, I was in Austria looking at marvellous renewable technologies, Biomass heating systems, large scale biogas, solar panels on nearly every roof in sight, biodiesel at the pump, when i heard the news of dubya's win it confirmed to me that this must be the way forwards, further from this the only other way that this man can be stopped if the oil is traded in euro, thus effectively pulling the financial rug from under his feet, a topic that has done the rounds before on the biofuels group, has anyone heard any more countries looking towards buying in euros? dino's dead, long live biofuel dD _ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years - Euro to oil
The last one I heard talking about selling oil in Euro was a guy called Saddam Hussein. I guess you heard what happened to him. If you look, at oil price and dollar rates, oil is effectively already selling in Euro. Please do not tell dubya, he did not discoverer it yet and you do not want to be responsible for the start of WWIII. Hakan At 10:40 PM 11/7/2004, you wrote: Hi to all, I was in Austria looking at marvellous renewable technologies, Biomass heating systems, large scale biogas, solar panels on nearly every roof in sight, biodiesel at the pump, when i heard the news of dubya's win it confirmed to me that this must be the way forwards, further from this the only other way that this man can be stopped if the oil is traded in euro, thus effectively pulling the financial rug from under his feet, a topic that has done the rounds before on the biofuels group, has anyone heard any more countries looking towards buying in euros? dino's dead, long live biofuel dD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years - Euro to oil
dumped the buck and the Chinese are also, prefering to deal in Euro or gold. In the case of the Chinese they are dumping the dollar by buying resources in various countries. Recently in Canada they spent 6 billion for some mining company that wasn't really worth it, but then neither is the dollar... Indonesia, last year, was making noise about dumping the buck as well, but that was not for il payments. Saddam was the only one at the time who officially went to the Euro for oil payments, but that could change very quickly as soon as the US finds some lame excuse to fight another one of Israel's wars by attacking Iran. China has already sided with Iran on the nuke issue, Russia has a mutual defence pact with Iran and the neo-con idiots have already theorised that a global thermonuclear war is winable by the US. Who the hell wins a nuke exchange ??? I am not sure what Mexico's position is on the dollar however I think I heard something along the lines of immigration in exchange for dollar support, but that is just rumour. Venezuela doesn't sell to the US anymore since the CIA led coup there failed. Chavez must surely be on his way into the axis of evil for sure. In the middle of all this one little known fact still remains, and that is that it is Canada that supplies the greatest volume of crude to the US, not Saudi. NAFTA also gave away 60% of Canada's natural gas to the US, what a deal huh? In a recent VISA (credit card) statement there was a note to the effect that for now on foreign purchases would be converted directly from that currency to the Canadian dollar without first being converted to the US dollar. Maybe Canada is finally starting to look to diversify it's reserve holdings??? Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years - Euro to oil The last one I heard talking about selling oil in Euro was a guy called Saddam Hussein. I guess you heard what happened to him. If you look, at oil price and dollar rates, oil is effectively already selling in Euro. Please do not tell dubya, he did not discoverer it yet and you do not want to be responsible for the start of WWIII. Hakan At 10:40 PM 11/7/2004, you wrote: Hi to all, I was in Austria looking at marvellous renewable technologies, Biomass heating systems, large scale biogas, solar panels on nearly every roof in sight, biodiesel at the pump, when i heard the news of dubya's win it confirmed to me that this must be the way forwards, further from this the only other way that this man can be stopped if the oil is traded in euro, thus effectively pulling the financial rug from under his feet, a topic that has done the rounds before on the biofuels group, has anyone heard any more countries looking towards buying in euros? dino's dead, long live biofuel dD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
I've heard that they are bogus, but the person who told me spent the time to research accurate figures and the following analysis. So, that last graphic turned out to be taken from an old hoax, circa 2000. But, curious, I dug up the real data. So, here it is. And there's a numerical correlation of 26.7% between IQ and margin of victory for Kerry. Meaning that 26.7% of how much a state voted for Bush, statistically speaking, can be explained by related to their collective IQ. It's important to note that correlation does not imply causation. But there is a legitimate relationship there, numerically. What I just did highlights a problem in the Democratic Party. We are perceived as elitist snobs because we run studies to prove that we are elite. And unfortunately, the only way we ever seem to get to do anything good is when the other guys fuck up enough for everyone to get pissed off at them and vote us in. If anyone has any good ideas about how to capture the hearts (and not just the minds) of middle America, please pass it on to Bob Shrum. State Bush Victory IQ Mississippi 20.4% 94 South Carolina 17.4% 94 Alabama 25.8% 97 Georgia 16.8% 97 Kentucky 20.0% 97 Louisiana 14.8% 97 North Carolina 12.7% 97 Tennessee 14.4% 97 Texas 23.0% 97 Arkansas 9.9% 98 Florida 5.1% 98 New Mexico 1.1% 98 Colorado 6.2% 99 Delaware -7.6% 99 Hawaii -8.7% 99 Indiana 21.1% 99 Arizona 10.5% 100 California -10.4% 100 Idaho 38.6% 100 Maine -8.2% 100 Nevada 2.7% 100 New Jersey -6.3% 100 Pennsylvania -2.3% 100 Rhode Island -21.0% 100 South Dakota 21.8% 100 Virginia 8.7% 100 West Virginia 13.0% 100 Alaska 27.7% 101 Maryland -12.5% 101 Michigan -3.5% 101 Missouri 7.3% 101 New York -17.6% 101 Ohio 2.5% 101 Utah 45.9% 101 Wyoming 40.6% 101 Connecticut -10.5% 102 Kansas 26.1% 102 Minnesota -3.5% 102 Montana 21.2% 102 Nebraska 34.9% 102 North Dakota 27.8% 102 Oklahoma 31.1% 102 Vermont -20.7% 102 Washington -7.4% 102 Iowa 0.9% 103 Massachusetts -25.4% 103 Oregon -4.1% 103 Wisconsin -0.4% 103 Illinois -10.0% 104 New Hampshire -1.4% 104 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Redler Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results Can anyone substantiate this? http://geekgossip.net/2004election_by_iq.png Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
Can anyone substantiate this? http://geekgossip.net/2004election_by_iq.png You're not serious, are you? From Mississippi are you? ;) http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQstates.htm And just in case... http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/gop.asp ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years
Hello Johathan, The point is well taken about the present being the point of power. The past is malleable according to individual perspectives; the future is imagined. The only place one can actively participate is in the present moment. Therefore, in our regards to our perceptions and ability to know what is happening, the ONLY thing we can do is ACT right now for the best possible scenario in our behalf. Hopefully that action is in the will to good for global consciousness. I think this could be another way of verbalizing what you are saying... Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Dunlap Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years Yes! And can never forget them. One thing... I never said I was for the guy. Did not vote for him this time nor the last time! However, what is done is done. Somehow we all must make the best of it. Every one I know do not believe he won. Most people I know, here in the US and elsewhere in the World thinks he stole it again. So what do we do as a Country? As a citizen, I will do the very best for myself family, teach my kids the right way and try to make this place a better place. This guy, the President reminds me of the movie The Emperor's Club I think it was called. In short, it's about a guy who Dad's is well known in politics and how his brat of a kid gets by the easy way and never changes even in adulthood. Well. This time I'm done! Best Regards, Jonathan DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Together or Divided one thing is for suer... Regan-esque deficit spending coupled with [corporate] tax-cuts will make for high inflation and a bad economy. Surley you remember the 80s? My dear brother, I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. United We Stand. Divided We Fall. That is how I see it from this side of the tracks, Jonathan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years
And the song said... I get by with a little help from my friends Many thanks Peggy. Please have a wonderful weekend, Jonathan Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Johathan, The point is well taken about the present being the point of power. The past is malleable according to individual perspectives; the future is imagined. The only place one can actively participate is in the present moment. Therefore, in our regards to our perceptions and ability to know what is happening, the ONLY thing we can do is ACT right now for the best possible scenario in our behalf. Hopefully that action is in the will to good for global consciousness. I think this could be another way of verbalizing what you are saying... Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Dunlap Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years Yes! And can never forget them. One thing... I never said I was for the guy. Did not vote for him this time nor the last time! However, what is done is done. Somehow we all must make the best of it. Every one I know do not believe he won. Most people I know, here in the US and elsewhere in the World thinks he stole it again. So what do we do as a Country? As a citizen, I will do the very best for myself family, teach my kids the right way and try to make this place a better place. This guy, the President reminds me of the movie The Emperor's Club I think it was called. In short, it's about a guy who Dad's is well known in politics and how his brat of a kid gets by the easy way and never changes even in adulthood. Well. This time I'm done! Best Regards, Jonathan DHAJOGLO wrote:Together or Divided one thing is for suer... Regan-esque deficit spending coupled with [corporate] tax-cuts will make for high inflation and a bad economy. Surley you remember the 80s? My dear brother, I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. United We Stand. Divided We Fall. That is how I see it from this side of the tracks, Jonathan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
Hello Tim, About twenty-five years ago an article was published on 7 kinds of smart (and we all know that this is an arbitrary definition). I can't recall all of the divisions presented and many people revere one over the other. However, appreciating these defined abilities means that the highest intelligence would need to be judged in many facets... and superman is a fantasy. Fun on a weekend Peggy Possible kinds of smart: Memory Logic Body Kinetics Sound and Color Applications Intuition Add your own... You are smart in more ways than you know. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ferguson Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 2:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results Does this imply that everyone has a right to exist but only those of the highest intellect have the right to govern or elect those who govern? And what is the cutoff that determines who is in which segment? Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Redler Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results Can anyone substantiate this? http://geekgossip.net/2004election_by_iq.png Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] 4 more years
It appears the folks in Ohio aren'y very happy about the vote fraud either. http://michiganimc.org/feature/display/7644/index.php ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
Wow! something that can be spun both ways to, fit the choir one is preaching to Doug - Original Message - From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results : : Can anyone substantiate this? : : http://geekgossip.net/2004election_by_iq.png : : : Mike --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.784 / Virus Database: 530 - Release Date: 10/27/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
Well,.. IMO even IF it can be substituted, it's nothing more than one more meaningless statistic in a sea of meaningless statistics being put forth by all parties. Doug - Original Message - From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results : Tim, : : Those are all good questions. I can't speak for anyone but myself when I say that any implications or conclusions about someones research (good or bad) needs to be set aside until it is substantiated. : : Right now, I don't have an opinion -- just curiosity. : : Mike : : Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Does this imply that everyone has a right to exist : but only those of the highest intellect have the : right to govern or elect those who govern? And : what is the cutoff that determines who is in which : segment? : : Best wishes, : : Tim : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Behalf Of Michael Redler : Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:27 PM : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ : and Election Results : : : : Can anyone substantiate this? : : http://geekgossip.net/2004election_by_iq.png : : : Mike : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.784 / Virus Database: 530 - Release Date: 10/27/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] 4 more years
Ok, this is the last of it for me. Info on the Diebold Machines and that company's CEO's pledge to deliver Ohio to the Republican camp. Read 'em and weep/get pissed/whatever. Diebold Machines http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html http://www.rense.com/general59/diebold.htm Dedicated to give Bush ohio - Diebold http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm Fraud in 2000 http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years
Hallo Jonathan, Thursday, 04 November, 2004, 23:07:47, you wrote: Our problem is that we are having trouble coming together as a species right now. I do see that it is getting slowly better and better, but very slowly. People are so slow to understand and quick to anger. If someone criticizes theactions of the Republicans they are automatically labelled a liberal. I someone criticizes the actions of the Israeli zionists they are labelled anti-semitic. I a white man criticizes the actions of a black man they are labelled racist. Without even giving a thought to it, without rational and unbiased examination, without even a care as to the validity of the criticism. What appears to be happening is that folks are not so much concerned with the correctness of the proposition, but rather with their winning the argument at any cost. My side wins. How sorry is that? What about truth wins, right wins, morality wins? For myself, I like it when I am proven wrong about something because that gives me the opportunity to change my beliefs and position to be more in line with what is right and true. I don't like being wrong about things and am more than willing to adjust to what is right. I don't think a lot of folks are like that. It seems that somehow they have more of an investment in winning the argument than in really being right. Competition has its limits and drawbacks and is over rated. Given the choice between cooperation and competition I would choose cooperation. A person has to want to understand before a rational conversation, discussion or argument can get underway. Over in a neighboring town there is a guy who refuses to understand anyone who disagrees with him. I have spoken with him and I get more and more simple in my explainations to the point where a child could understand what I am saying and he refuses to understand because he would then lose his position and it would force him to change and he is unwilling to to this. We just need to keep on trying, and for those of us believing in such things, praying, and have faith that a brighter and better day will come. And yes, friend, peace to us all. Happy Happy, Gustl JD Man... JD Dubya??? JD Unite = join, fuse, mix, bone, Come together· I could go on and on· JD If We as a Country do not Unite is some way then we as a Country are weak. We all do not have to agree on every issue. That is the very thing that makes this Country unique. Remember· Freedom of JD speech, religious conviction· JD Look· The only thing I want to get across is that I did not like the out come of this election. However, as an American, I feel that we all must seek some sort of common ground. JD Without it, I donât see us moving forward. The past is just that! The past. We need to learn from it and move forward. JD Peace to us all, JD Jonathan JD Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JD on 11/4/04 4:06 PM, Jonathan Dunlap at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. ?United We Stand? Divided We Fall?. JD I will never unite (whatever that means) with anyone under Dubya JD or any other jerk who may come along. If that means we fall (whatever JD THAT means), sobeit. JD California oughta be a separate country anyway -- I'd hardly call that JD falling. -K -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years
Good day Gustl, I appreciate your comments on this issue. For a brief moment, I felt misunderstood and it was as if I was wasting my time. However, you Peggy and some others changed that for me. Some of the things that are going on with the highest office in our Country is not good and moving will not make it better. Anytime there is a very large percentage of citizens that feels something under-hand took place with an election, it will never be of any good. Therefore, I pray for us all. Again, I thank you all, Jonathan Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hallo Jonathan, Thursday, 04 November, 2004, 23:07:47, you wrote: Our problem is that we are having trouble coming together as a species right now. I do see that it is getting slowly better and better, but very slowly. People are so slow to understand and quick to anger. If someone criticizes the actions of the Republicans they are automatically labelled a liberal. I someone criticizes the actions of the Israeli zionists they are labelled anti-semitic. I a white man criticizes the actions of a black man they are labelled racist. Without even giving a thought to it, without rational and unbiased examination, without even a care as to the validity of the criticism. What appears to be happening is that folks are not so much concerned with the correctness of the proposition, but rather with their winning the argument at any cost. My side wins. How sorry is that? What about truth wins, right wins, morality wins? For myself, I like it when I am proven wrong about something because that gives me the opportunity to change my beliefs and position to be more in line with what is right and true. I don't like being wrong about things and am more than willing to adjust to what is right. I don't think a lot of folks are like that. It seems that somehow they have more of an investment in winning the argument than in really being right. Competition has its limits and drawbacks and is over rated. Given the choice between cooperation and competition I would choose cooperation. A person has to want to understand before a rational conversation, discussion or argument can get underway. Over in a neighboring town there is a guy who refuses to understand anyone who disagrees with him. I have spoken with him and I get more and more simple in my explainations to the point where a child could understand what I am saying and he refuses to understand because he would then lose his position and it would force him to change and he is unwilling to to this. We just need to keep on trying, and for those of us believing in such things, praying, and have faith that a brighter and better day will come. And yes, friend, peace to us all. Happy Happy, Gustl JD Man... JD Dubya??? JD Unite = join, fuse, mix, bone, Come together I could go on and on JD If We as a Country do not Unite is some way then we as a Country are weak. We all do not have to agree on every issue. That is the very thing that makes this Country unique. Remember Freedom of JD speech, religious conviction JD Look The only thing I want to get across is that I did not like the out come of this election. However, as an American, I feel that we all must seek some sort of common ground. JD Without it, I dont see us moving forward. The past is just that! The past. We need to learn from it and move forward. JD Peace to us all, JD Jonathan JD Ken Provost wrote: JD on 11/4/04 4:06 PM, Jonathan Dunlap at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. ?United We Stand? Divided We Fall?. JD I will never unite (whatever that means) with anyone under Dubya JD or any other jerk who may come along. If that means we fall (whatever JD THAT means), sobeit. JD California oughta be a separate country anyway -- I'd hardly call that JD falling. -K -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):
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My dear brother, I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. United We Stand Divided We Fall. That is how I see it from this side of the tracks, Jonathan Ware, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, My fellow countrymen have spoken at the polls and since I was born here and live here I choose to accept the majorities decision(until I can come up with an alternative). I am very unhappy to know that more than 50% of those who took the time to vote approve of: 1) waging aggressive war on the whim of the president. 2) indiscriminate bombing of civilians using depleted uranium(so called dirty bombs) as well as cluster bombs and land mines. 3) building and maintaining concentration camps, i.e, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and other detention camps around the world. 4) the indefinite detention with no charges being presented with no access to a legal system of anyone the President chooses to detain. 5) torturing prisoners. 6) the taking away of my freedom of speech. If I wrote what I really believed, I'd end up in prison. 7) considering the actions of our government above the rule of law and not participating in a international court where war criminals are brought to justice(I won't mention any names here). 8) ignoring the consequences to the environment for the short term gains of industry. 9) supporting governments(with military and other aid) which have policies of human rights abuses I don't want to be just a complainer; I want to find solutions. Most any system can be improved by an iterative process of test, evaluation and implemention of improvements. We can't become a better country by only talking about the good things we have done in the past. If we ignore the problems, they are not going to just go away. We need to discuss our mistakes and our flaws in order to come up with solutions for improvement. John Ware ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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on 11/4/04 4:06 PM, Jonathan Dunlap at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. ?United We Stand? Divided We Fall?. I will never unite (whatever that means) with anyone under Dubya or any other jerk who may come along. If that means we fall (whatever THAT means), sobeit. California oughta be a separate country anyway -- I'd hardly call that falling.-K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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That was Shrub's empty promise four years ago. The man will say whatever it takes to get what he wants and then move on - the quintesential flip-flopper and not one to be trusted or left unwatched. I believe the mantra for the next four years of turmoil, arrogance and oppression exerted by this shyster within his own borders will be: I'll hug your elephant when you kiss my ass. (Helps to include the visual of both parties' mascots, elephant and donkey.) Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years on 11/4/04 4:06 PM, Jonathan Dunlap at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. ?United We Stand? Divided We Fall?. I will never unite (whatever that means) with anyone under Dubya or any other jerk who may come along. If that means we fall (whatever THAT means), sobeit. California oughta be a separate country anyway -- I'd hardly call that falling.-K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Man... Dubya??? Unite = join, fuse, mix, bone, Come together I could go on and on If We as a Country do not Unite is some way then we as a Country are weak. We all do not have to agree on every issue. That is the very thing that makes this Country unique. Remember Freedom of speech, religious conviction Look The only thing I want to get across is that I did not like the out come of this election. However, as an American, I feel that we all must seek some sort of common ground. Without it, I dont see us moving forward. The past is just that! The past. We need to learn from it and move forward. Peace to us all, Jonathan Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/4/04 4:06 PM, Jonathan Dunlap at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. ?United We Stand? Divided We Fall?. I will never unite (whatever that means) with anyone under Dubya or any other jerk who may come along. If that means we fall (whatever THAT means), sobeit. California oughta be a separate country anyway -- I'd hardly call that falling. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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I feel what you are saying and in many ways I agree. However, I ask you this What is your solution to this issue? Im all ears Jonathan Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Unity? Hah!!! That was Shrub's empty promise four years ago. The man will say whatever it takes to get what he wants and then move on - the quintesential flip-flopper and not one to be trusted or left unwatched. I believe the mantra for the next four years of turmoil, arrogance and oppression exerted by this shyster within his own borders will be: I'll hug your elephant when you kiss my ass. (Helps to include the visual of both parties' mascots, elephant and donkey.) Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years on 11/4/04 4:06 PM, Jonathan Dunlap at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. ?United We Stand? Divided We Fall?. I will never unite (whatever that means) with anyone under Dubya or any other jerk who may come along. If that means we fall (whatever THAT means), sobeit. California oughta be a separate country anyway -- I'd hardly call that falling. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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about to, get it. Luc - Original Message - From: Jonathan Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years Man... Dubya??? Unite = join, fuse, mix, bone, Come together. I could go on and on. If We as a Country do not Unite is some way then we as a Country are weak. We all do not have to agree on every issue. That is the very thing that makes this Country unique. Remember. Freedom of speech, religious conviction. Look. The only thing I want to get across is that I did not like the out come of this election. However, as an American, I feel that we all must seek some sort of common ground. Without it, I don't see us moving forward. The past is just that! The past. We need to learn from it and move forward. Peace to us all, Jonathan Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/4/04 4:06 PM, Jonathan Dunlap at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. ?United We Stand? Divided We Fall?. I will never unite (whatever that means) with anyone under Dubya or any other jerk who may come along. If that means we fall (whatever THAT means), sobeit. California oughta be a separate country anyway -- I'd hardly call that falling. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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continue to work in the directions that he refuses to. It's really rather simple Jonathan. No one needs to walk side by side with someone who is as dishonest and disengenuous as is Mr. Bush. He may be in the White House, but he remains a louse. Which makes him and his ilk personnas non gratta in my house. More can be accomplished by losing the dead weight than carrying it around out of some misguided sense of patriotic duty. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Jonathan Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years I feel what you are saying and in many ways I agree. However, I ask you this. What is your solution to this issue? I'm all ears. Jonathan Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Unity? Hah!!! That was Shrub's empty promise four years ago. The man will say whatever it takes to get what he wants and then move on - the quintesential flip-flopper and not one to be trusted or left unwatched. I believe the mantra for the next four years of turmoil, arrogance and oppression exerted by this shyster within his own borders will be: I'll hug your elephant when you kiss my ass. (Helps to include the visual of both parties' mascots, elephant and donkey.) Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years on 11/4/04 4:06 PM, Jonathan Dunlap at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. ?United We Stand? Divided We Fall?. I will never unite (whatever that means) with anyone under Dubya or any other jerk who may come along. If that means we fall (whatever THAT means), sobeit. California oughta be a separate country anyway -- I'd hardly call that falling. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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United We Stand. Divided We Fall. While it seems simple on the face of it, I really never understood what united the piece of rhetoric really means. Does it mean I'm required to be complicate in activity what I may believe wrong or immoral? I sorry, given when I see it used it seems to be used as, a guilt trip to suppress other who dissent or have apposite views. Doug - Original Message - From: Jonathan Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years : : My dear brother, : : : : I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. United We Stand. Divided We Fall. : : : : That is how I see it from this side of the tracks, : : : : Jonathan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.784 / Virus Database: 530 - Release Date: 10/28/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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The United We Stand slogan has been used to promote nationalism and fear of them, whoever they are (i.e. rogue nations, terrorists, etc. of GWB's choosing) so much it makes want to vomit. I prefer Ben Franklin's sentiments, We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. Of course, he was speaking about his occupiers. The phrase fits wherever there is an occupation -- whether in Iraq or in the White House. Mike Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: United We Stand. Divided We Fall. While it seems simple on the face of it, I really never understood what united the piece of rhetoric really means. Does it mean I'm required to be complicate in activity what I may believe wrong or immoral? I sorry, given when I see it used it seems to be used as, a guilt trip to suppress other who dissent or have apposite views. Doug - Original Message - From: Jonathan Dunlap To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years : : My dear brother, : : : : I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. United We Stand. Divided We Fall. : : : : That is how I see it from this side of the tracks, : : : : Jonathan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.784 / Virus Database: 530 - Release Date: 10/28/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Together or Divided one thing is for suer... Regan-esque deficit spending coupled with [corporate] tax-cuts will make for high inflation and a bad economy. Surley you remember the 80s? My dear brother, I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. ãUnited We Stand· Divided We Fallä. That is how I see it from this side of the tracks, Jonathan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Luc, Do you have any news links about law enforcement or judicial investigations into the claims of Die bold involved in voter fraud. I would be interested in reading them. Thank you, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Legal Eagle Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years Still don'tget it huh? The (s)election was rigged. Look around. The areas that had paper trails had the exit polls and the actual numbers about even, but ALL the Diebold elctronic voting machine areas which gave NO receipt had a clear 5% for Bush over the exit polls. Combine that with all the reported dirty tricks and disenfranchising that went on and what you have is not the American people have spoken, as is attempted to be shilled, but rather massive and decicive vote fraud. The president and CEO of Diebold, a staunch Republican had even told the Bushies that he would deliverthe Ohio vote to him, and it looks like he held his end of the bargain. There are so many places reporting vote fraud that there is no way that this can be termed the voice of the people and that the democratic way has triumphed. Were that is were that, but it is not, so all the rhetoric about waving the flag (blindfold) and supporting the warmongers is empty and also fraudulent. That Kerry threw in the towel before even waiting for the tally to be complete is at best very curious. Also that he did not jump on the occasion to bury Bush with the fact that he had lied about the WMD's and that as a result thousands of innocent people have died is also very curious. Any politician worth his salt would have been all over that like flies on garbage, it would have landed him a certain landslide, given that the great majority of the American people did not want this war. But then both Bush and Kerry have more than one thing, their almamater, in common. Curious, just very very curious. Luc - Original Message - From: Jonathan Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years Yeah... And this is the last thing I'll say on it with this link... http://felbers.net/mt/ Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Confusion maybe. Still hopeful despite all reason to look elsewhere maybe. That's not the same as mindless,party-line drivel. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years So much drivel from so few words, amazing. This guy just doesn't, and is not about to, get it. Luc - Original Message - From: Jonathan Dunlap To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years Man... Dubya??? Unite = join, fuse, mix, bone, Come together. I could go on and on. If We as a Country do not Unite is some way then we as a Country are weak. We all do not have to agree on every issue. That is the very thing that makes this Country unique. Remember. Freedom of speech, religious conviction. Look. The only thing I want to get across is that I did not like the out come of this election. However, as an American, I feel that we all must seek some sort of common ground. Without it, I don't see us moving forward. The past is just that! The past. We need to learn from it and move forward. Peace to us all, Jonathan Ken Provost wrote: on 11/4/04 4:06 PM, Jonathan Dunlap at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. ?United We Stand? Divided We Fall?. I will never unite (whatever that means) with anyone under Dubya or any other jerk who may come along. If that means we fall (whatever THAT means), sobeit. California oughta be a separate country anyway -- I'd hardly call that falling. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel
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Yes! And can never forget them. One thing... I never said I was for the guy. Did not vote for him this time nor the last time! However, what is done is done Somehow we all must make the best of it. Every one I know do not believe he won. Most people I know, here in the US and elsewhere in the World thinks he stole it again. So what do we do as a Country? As a citizen, I will do the very best for myself family, teach my kids the right way and try to make this place a better place. This guy, the President reminds me of the movie The Emperors Club I think it was called. In short, its about a guy who Dads is well known in politics and how his brat of a kid gets by the easy way and never changes even in adulthood. Well This time Im done! Best Regards, Jonathan DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Together or Divided one thing is for suer... Regan-esque deficit spending coupled with [corporate] tax-cuts will make for high inflation and a bad economy. Surley you remember the 80s? My dear brother, I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we as citizens of this United States of America must unite not only under this President for the next four years, but under every one that follows after him. United We Stand Divided We Fall. That is how I see it from this side of the tracks, Jonathan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years
A neat graph here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/exit_poll.gif Hold on to your hat, this may be long; 1- http://www.dispatch.com/election/election-president.php?story=dispatch/2004/11/05/20041105-A6-01.html 2-http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000712.html 3- http://www.alternet.org/election04/20416/ A site dedicated to vote fraud and how the Diebold machines can be easily circumvented: http://blackboxvoting.org/ 4- http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/05/national/05sanfran.html 5- http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/52213/1921 6- http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4175 7-Editorial by Michael Rivero http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/stolennation.html 8- http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=980 9- http://www.opednews.com/palast_110504_Kerry_won.htm 10- http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20041104/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems 11- http://www.straight.com/content.cfm?id=6199 12-The Video http://www.votergate.tv/ 13-More Stat analysis http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_alladdress=201x1293 14- http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00072.htm 15-Citizens for Legitimate Government http://www.legitgov.org/pressrelease_stolen_election_2004_110404.html 16-More Math http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=Board=news_membersNumber=293075080Forum=All_ForumsSearchpage=0Limit=25Old=allpostsMain=293075080 17- http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won.php 18-CNN change stats http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesgforum=132topic_id=1290765mesg_id=1295180page= 19-Global Monitors http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=%2Farticles%2F2004%2F11%2F02%2Fnews%2Fobserve.html And in the upcoming days/weeks there is bound to be more irregularities to surface. I personally know someone in Florida that was harrassed in line to vote. She was not pleased. As far as law enforcement being involved, to the best of my knowledge there are none at this point. Bev harris, founder of Black Box Voting did have press conferences about the Diebold machines and demonstrated with what ease it was to change the results input into them, however the mainstream did not find that important enough to pursue. The very lack of investigation by the authorities is not proof that nothing illegal took place. Take the criminal invasion of Iraq for example: It was authorised by Congress on condition that a clear link between 9-11 and Saddam could be shown and that Saddam had clear connection to AlQueda. Both of these conditions were not met and the requests for documented proof went unanswered. That makes the invasion of Iraq illegal under US laws and a war crime under international law and an act of piracy as described in Wikipedia's free encyclopedia on-line: A pirate is one who robs or plunders at sea without a commission from a recognized sovereign nation. Pirates usually target other ships, but have also attacked targets on shore. These acts are known as piracy. Congressional authority not being in force means that there was no commission from a recognized sovereign nation, hense piracy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy The silence is not proof of innocence, it is however indication that something serious is amiss. Wrong is wrong, even if no one want to see it. Check out the proof of the Diebold machines posted at Black Box Voting and then try to get someone in law enforcement to do something about it. If they are as competent as going after the wrong guy in the Anthrax attacks when a clear suspect was available but intentionally overlooked, your attempt will be frustrated. Anthrax link: http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/hcourant.html Luc - Original Message - From: Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:00 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years Luc, Do you have any news links about law enforcement or judicial investigations into the claims of Die bold involved in voter fraud. I would be interested in reading them. Thank you, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Legal Eagle Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years Still don'tget it huh? The (s)election was rigged. Look around. The areas that had paper trails had the exit polls and the actual numbers about even, but ALL the Diebold elctronic voting machine areas which gave NO receipt had a clear 5% for Bush over the exit polls. Combine that with all the reported dirty tricks and disenfranchising that went on and what you have is not the American people have spoken, as is attempted to be shilled, but rather massive and decicive vote fraud. The president and CEO of Diebold, a staunch Republican had even told the Bushies that he would deliverthe Ohio vote to him, and it looks like he held his end of the bargain. There are so many places reporting vote fraud
Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
Can anyone substantiate this? http://geekgossip.net/2004election_by_iq.png Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
Does this imply that everyone has a right to exist but only those of the highest intellect have the right to govern or elect those who govern? And what is the cutoff that determines who is in which segment? Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Redler Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results Can anyone substantiate this? http://geekgossip.net/2004election_by_iq.png Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
Tim, Those are all good questions. I can't speak for anyone but myself when I say that any implications or conclusions about someones research (good or bad) needs to be set aside until it is substantiated. Right now, I don't have an opinion -- just curiosity. Mike Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this imply that everyone has a right to exist but only those of the highest intellect have the right to govern or elect those who govern? And what is the cutoff that determines who is in which segment? Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Redler Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results Can anyone substantiate this? http://geekgossip.net/2004election_by_iq.png Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] 4 more years
Hi, My fellow countrymen have spoken at the polls and since I was born here and live here I choose to accept the majorities decision(until I can come up with an alternative). I am very unhappy to know that more than 50% of those who took the time to vote approve of: 1) waging aggressive war on the whim of the president. 2) indiscriminate bombing of civilians using depleted uranium(so called dirty bombs) as well as cluster bombs and land mines. 3) building and maintaining concentration camps, i.e, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and other detention camps around the world. 4) the indefinite detention with no charges being presented with no access to a legal system of anyone the President chooses to detain. 5) torturing prisoners. 6) the taking away of my freedom of speech. If I wrote what I really believed, I'd end up in prison. 7) considering the actions of our government above the rule of law and not participating in a international court where war criminals are brought to justice(I won't mention any names here). 8) ignoring the consequences to the environment for the short term gains of industry. 9) supporting governments(with military and other aid) which have policies of human rights abuses I don't want to be just a complainer; I want to find solutions. Most any system can be improved by an iterative process of test, evaluation and implemention of improvements. We can't become a better country by only talking about the good things we have done in the past. If we ignore the problems, they are not going to just go away. We need to discuss our mistakes and our flaws in order to come up with solutions for improvement. John Ware ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
