Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future - THE TRUTH

[Michael Redler]

Thanks Weaver!     ...if only his dream could be kept alive!     Gridlock would take on a whole new meaning and I'd open a burger joint (pun intended) downtown.     :-)     -RedlerMike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Uh, Keith, hate to burst your bubble, but it is well-established that Rudolph Diesel designed his"engine" primarily to atomize hemp oil, in order to reap its psychopharmacological benefits. It was really just a big metal bong.The production of rotational torque was a side effect, and neccessary to keep the law enforcement people off his back. It wassomewhat later, at a "diesel party," that an attendee (the Cheech Marin of his day) said "23 skidoo, man, we should put this device
 into ahorseless carriage and drive around, then everyone could share the effects." This they did, and the Roaring Twenties were born. The Jazz Age wasnot due to bathtub gin, but rather hemp oil smoke blanketing the cities. New York City, and in particular Wall Street, had the largestconcentration of hemp oil powered cars, and hence most of the frenzy started there. People did not buy stocks because of any"irrational exuberance;" they were stoned.It all came crashing down when John D Rockefeller of Standard oil got hemp oil outlawed as a motor fuel, and forced the country to burn petroleum instead.Once people sobered up, they quit buying stock, and the Great Depression started.If only we would go back to burning hemp oil our problems would be over.Please correct your "Facts:" below, and I would appreciate it if you could devote an entire part on the JtF site to getting the truth out. Also,if you
 could put a "sponsored by Mike Weaver's Hemp Oil Engines - just 599.99 payable in cash" and a link to my website that would be great.-WeaverKeith Addison wrote:>> * Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine, designed it to>> run on vegetable and seed oils like hemp. In fact, when the diesel>> engine was first introduced at the World's Fair in 1900, it ran on>> peanut oil.>> Aarghh!!! Not the old Rudolf and the Peanut Oil fairytale again!>>Facts:>>1893 Rudolf Diesel patents the diesel engine.>>1900 Rudolf Diesel is twice awarded the Grand Prix at both Paris >World Fairs (1900 and 1910) for inventing and developing his engine.>>But no peanut oil. The true story:>>"... excerpts from some of Dr Diesels' work, that he published 1912 >and 1913, where he states that it was the Otto Company
 that ran one >of his engines on peanut oil at the request of the French government >during the 1900 World Fair. He later conducted some trails where he >determined fuel consumption and assessed operability. He also >mentions similar successful experiments in St. Petersburg using >castor oil and animal oils." - Darren Hill>>"It WASN'T him! I recently borrowed his book "The Development of the >Diesel Engine" -afaik the last one he published until he drowned >himself in the Channel. All kinds of fuels that had been tested are >described there, from coal dust over weird chemical mixtures that had >been sent to Diesel by the industry to all sorts of crude oil and >even tar-oil. Vegoil just got about 4 lines- remarking that it was >the French "Otto-Company" (yes the Otto-engine!) that ran Diesel's >engine on peanut oil: "The engine was built for crude oil and was >used
 without any modification on vegoil."..."it worked so well that >only a few insiders took notice of this insignificant circumstance." >(Diesel, Rudolf. 1913. Die Entstehung des Dieselmotors" 1st reprint >by Braun, Hans-Joachim (Ed). 1984. Moers: Steiger. Page 115.)." - >Stephan Helbig>>Best>>Keith  [snip]___
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Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future - THE TRUTH

[Joe Street]

Works for me!

Mike Weaver wrote:

sip
> 
> If only we would go back to burning hemp oil our problems would be over.


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Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future - THE TRUTH

[Mike Weaver]

Uh, Keith, hate to burst your bubble, but it is well-established that 
Rudolph Diesel designed his
"engine" primarily to atomize hemp oil, in order to reap its 
psychopharmacological benefits.  It was really just a big metal bong.
The production of rotational torque was a side effect, and neccessary to 
keep the law enforcement people off his back.  It was
somewhat later, at a "diesel party," that an attendee (the Cheech Marin 
of his day) said "23 skidoo, man, we should put this device into a
horseless carriage and drive around, then everyone could share the 
effects."  This they did, and the Roaring Twenties were born.  The Jazz 
Age was
not due to bathtub gin, but rather hemp oil smoke blanketing the 
cities.  New York City, and in particular Wall Street, had the largest
concentration of hemp oil powered cars, and hence most of the frenzy 
started there.  People did not buy stocks because of any
"irrational exuberance;" they were stoned.

It all came crashing down when John D Rockefeller of Standard oil got 
hemp oil outlawed as a motor fuel, and forced the country to burn 
petroleum instead.
Once people sobered up, they quit buying stock, and the Great Depression 
started.

If only we would go back to burning hemp oil our problems would be over.

Please correct your "Facts:" below, and I would appreciate it if you 
could devote an entire part on the JtF site to getting the truth out.  Also,
if you could put a "sponsored by Mike Weaver's Hemp Oil Engines - just 
599.99 payable in cash" and a link to my website that would be great.

-Weaver

Keith Addison wrote:

>>   *   Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine, designed it to
>> run on vegetable and seed oils like hemp. In fact, when the diesel
>> engine was first introduced at the World's Fair in 1900, it ran on
>> peanut oil.
>>
>>
>
>Aarghh!!! Not the old Rudolf and the Peanut Oil fairytale again!
>
>Facts:
>
>1893 Rudolf Diesel patents the diesel engine.
>
>1900 Rudolf Diesel is twice awarded the Grand Prix at both Paris 
>World Fairs (1900 and 1910) for inventing and developing his engine.
>
>But no peanut oil. The true story:
>
>"... excerpts from some of Dr Diesels' work, that he published 1912 
>and 1913, where he states that it was the Otto Company that ran one 
>of his engines on peanut oil at the request of the French government 
>during the 1900 World Fair. He later conducted some trails where he 
>determined fuel consumption and assessed operability. He also 
>mentions similar successful experiments in St. Petersburg using 
>castor oil and animal oils." - Darren Hill
>
>"It WASN'T him! I recently borrowed his book "The Development of the 
>Diesel Engine" -afaik the last one he published until he drowned 
>himself in the Channel. All kinds of fuels that had been tested are 
>described there, from coal dust over weird chemical mixtures that had 
>been sent to Diesel by the industry to all sorts of crude oil and 
>even tar-oil. Vegoil just got about 4 lines- remarking that it was 
>the French "Otto-Company" (yes the Otto-engine!) that ran Diesel's 
>engine on peanut oil: "The engine was built for crude oil and was 
>used without any modification on vegoil."..."it worked so well that 
>only a few insiders took notice of this insignificant circumstance." 
>(Diesel, Rudolf. 1913. Die Entstehung des Dieselmotors" 1st reprint 
>by Braun, Hans-Joachim (Ed). 1984. Moers: Steiger. Page 115.)." - 
>Stephan Helbig
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>  
>
>>   * Two decades later, Henry Ford was designing his Model Ts to run on
>> ethanol made from hemp. He envisioned the entire mass-produced
>> Model T automobile line would run on ethanol derived from crops
>> grown in the U.S.
>>   * Even in the 1920s, the oil industry had massive lobbying power in
>> Washington. Lobbyists convinced policymakers to create laws
>> favoring petroleum based fuels while disgarding the ethanol option.
>>   * Nearly a century later, amidst oil wars in the Middle East, Global
>> Warming, and a nearly depleted oil supply, the U.S. government is
>> finally shifting attention to fuels that are more along the lines
>> of Diesel and Ford's original ideas.
>>   * In an interview with the New York Times in 1925, Henry Ford said:
>> "The fuel of the future is going to come from fruit like that
>> sumac out by the road, or from apples, weeds, sawdust -- almost
>> anything. There is fuel in every bit of vegetable matter that can
>> be fermented. There's enough alcohol in one year's yield of an
>> acre of potatoes to drive the machinery necessary to cultivate the
>> fields for a hundred years."
>>
>>Whose water is it? *Learn more:*
>>http://www.organicconsumers.org/2006/article_658.cfm
>>
>>
>>
>>
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