Similar debate going on in Central & San Joquin
Valley, California and specifically Greater Fresno
Area (Fresno County) - issue of rural meets urban and
the "meshing" of the two.  I sit on a couple of
volunteer citizen committees...it is frustrating but
cannot give up.

http://www.stancog.org/appendices/chapter_a.pdf#search='San%20Joaquin%20Valley%20growth'

The Eight County San Joaquin Valley Setting - One
issue that the eight counties have in common is a
rapidly expanding population. In fact, all of the San
Joaquin Valley counties exceeded the growth rate for
California during the past five years (1995 to 2000)
and six Valley counties are in the top fifteen with
the highest growth percentage of all fifty-eight
California counties. Population growth is anticipated
to continue.
The San Joaquin Valley is long and relatively narrow.
Stretching about 300 miles from north to south and
about 100 miles from east to west, it occupies an area
between the two largest metropolitan areas in
Council of Fresno County Governments 2001 Regional
Transportation Plan
Air quality is a major issue. Many sections of the
Valley are in non-attainment areas for a number of
pollutants. Geographical situation, economic activity
and population pressures tend to exacerbate air
pollution within the region.
Both ends of the Valley are under growth pressures
from huge metropolitan areas. Kern County
population growth is being influenced by Los Angeles,
while growth in Stanislaus, San Joaquin, and
Merced counties is partially due to overflow growth
from the San Francisco Bay area. Much of the
residential growth observed has been caused by people
searching for affordable owner-occupied housing
within automobile commuting range of the large
metropolitan areas.
A great deal of land in the San Joaquin Valley is used
for agricultural production. Urban areas tend to be
widely separated from each other and are developed at
low densities (Year 2005 update = not any more!). A
majority of the locally developed
road and rail network serves farm-to-market activity.
Major transportation facilities serve as conduits
between major metropolitan areas, and national
recreation areas.
Economically, the region is tied to primary
production. Agriculture production will always be a
major industry because of the physical characteristics
of the Valley (Maybe or maybe not) These
characteristics include a nearly frostfree
growing climate, long summers, reservoirs, and water
distribution projects such as the Central Valley
Project and the California State Water Project.
However, direct employment in agriculture and other
primary production (such as oil production) will
continue to drop as production becomes more automated.
The San Joaquin Valley of California will continue to
develop and become more populated. Many of the
issues that are faced by individual county
jurisdictions are of a regional nature and could
benefit from regional coordination. Transportation is
one of these issues and a continuing effort to plan,
fund and construct transportation facilities on a
regional basis will benefit both the residents of the
San Joaquin Valley and the State of California.

The San Joaquin Valley is the southern portion of the
Great Central Valley of California. The San Joaquin
Valley stretches from the Tehachapi Mountains in the
south to the San Joaquin Delta in the north, a
distance of nearly 300 miles. The eastern boundary is
the Sierra Nevada Mountains, which reach
elevations of over 14,000 feet, while the western
boundary is the lower coastal ranges. Total land area
is approximately 23,720 square miles. The topography
is generally flat to rolling, and the climate is
characterized by long, very warm summers, and short,
cool winters. Precipitation is related to latitude and
elevation, with the northern portions of the valley
receiving approximately 12-14 inches of rain a year,
while the southern portion has an annual average of
less than six inches. Snow rarely falls on the Valley
floor, but heavy winter accumulations are common in
the Sierra Nevada Mountains.
For the purposes of this report, the San Joaquin
Valley is considered to include the counties of San
Joaquin, Stanislaus, Merced, Madera, Fresno, Kings,
Tulare and Kern. Kern County straddles the Sierra
Nevada Mountains and occupies a portion of the Mojave
Desert. The desert portion of Kern County is
within the Southeastern Desert Air Basin. This report
addresses only that portion of Kern County that falls
within the San Joaquin Valley Air Basin. See Exhibit
1-1.
--- Doug Younker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well yes the rub is in defining rural.  My point is
> you don't have to drive
> very far "out of town" to find the very same things
> that where being used to
> paint urban as somehow more evil than rural.  The
> second point was that
> there is not enough viable real-estate available for
> every family have their
> own self-sustaining homestead.  Viable meaning 
> decent soil, enough water to
> support, crops humans and livestock, material to
> build the shelter, fuel and
> anything else I may be forgetting.  The whole urban
> Vs. rural debate can
> never be productive because, a mix of the two has to
> be the ultimate
> outcome.  Yes urban as well as rural and can, do
> better in reducing their
> impact on the environment, but IMO putting one above
> the other is counter
> productive.
> Doug
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 6:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] End of Suburbia" and
> Ruralization
> 
> 
> : Greetings,
> :
> : I think our definitions of what is rural and what
> is urban need to be
> : straightened out.  If you live in a town, on an
> ordinary lot, in a single
> : family home, you live an urban lifestyle, no
> matter where it is.  The
> : reason I say this, is because only small lots
> require  water and waste
> : treatment plants.  And that is a fallacy, too. 
> Actually, compost toilets
> : and grey water systems work really well, improve
> your land and have no
> : waste.  They do not require public works and are
> not bad for the
> : environment.  The problem is that one must engage
> the brain at all times,
> : when using the systems or yes, you could make
> yourself very sick.
> :
> : To live in the country does require a higher
> degree of organization and
> : more of a willingness to do for oneself, even if
> it is just cooking your
> : own meals.  We don't have a McDonalds just around
> every corner.
> :
> : I meet lots of people who are living a life based
> on fear, and are so
> : unhappy.  They simply do not understand that it is
> the lack of skills that
> : is causing this problem.  This is especially easy
> to see in middle-aged
> : single moms, living in the country without the
> skills to look after their
> : own place.  Add to that a limited income, and yes
> I do understand the
> : fear.  The thing is, the skills are not that
> difficult to acquire.
> :
> : There is a real joy, in eating a meal that with
> the exception of the salt
> : and pepper, came from your land, was processed
> 100% on the land and in a
> : home that your built yourself.  It is fun setting
> an example of how it can
> : be done,  in reasonable comfort and in safety.  It
> is empowering to know
> : that you can survive whatever is coming down the
> road.  Yeah, I guess I am
> : kinda subversive.  But what else would you expect
> from an old hippie?
> <grin>
> :
> : Bright Blessings,
> : Kim
> :
> 
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