Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

[bob allen]

g a decreased H+ conc within the guard cells of open stomata.
>>  > The active transport of K+ ions between the guard cells and the
>>  > surrounding epidermal cells is, of course, an energy-requiring
>>  > process. The
>>  > energy source is not yet known, but, on the basis of present
>>  > evidence, one
>>  > of two possibilities seem likely."
>>  > 1. (ATP formed by photosynthesis in chloroplasts of the guard cells)
>>  >
>>  > 2. "Another possibility is that the transport of H+ ions, in a
>>  > direction
>>  > opposite to that of the K+ ions, establishes an electrochemical
>>  > gradient
>>  > down which the K+ ions move. (My asterisks) If this should be
>>  > the case,
>>  > the transport of K+ ions into and out of the guard cells - and thus,
>>  > the
>>  > opening and closing of the stomata - would be
>>  > yet another example of a vital process powered by a chemiosmotic
>>  > mechanism
>>  > (page 197)."
>>  >
>>  > p. 197 Describes how energy is harvested by mitochondria as a
>> result of
>>  > the formation of a "proton gradient" (H+ gradient) between the
>>  > matrix and
>>  > the intermembranal space of mitochondria. "Potential energy stored
>>  > in the
>>  > gradient is
>>  > released" (as H+ flow down the gradient through ATP-synthetase
>>  > complexes)
>>  > "and captured in the formation of ATP"
>>  >
>>  > (We're getting there) Still p 197:
>>  > "The proton gradient is established as electrons move down the
>> electron
>>  > transport chain.At three transition points in the chain, significant
>>  > drops
>>  > occur in the amount of potentail energy held by the electrons. As a
>>  > consequence, relatively large amounts of energy are released at
>> each of
>>  > these three steps - as electrons move from FMN to coenzyme Q ."
>>  >
>>  > My Note: FMN is Flavin MonoNucleotide (derived from riboflavin),
>> a key
>>  > player in the electron transport chain within mitochondria. Closely
>>  > related
>>  > FAD (Flavin Adenine Dinucleotide) is a source of the electrons that
>>  > are fed
>>  > into the electron transport chain. It transports electrons from the
>>  > Krebs
>>  > Cycle within the mitochondrial matrix to the e- transport chain
>>  > embedded in
>>  > the inner mitochondrial membrane.
>>  >
>>  > MY POINT: Flavin compounds play key roles in energy harvest
>> within the
>>  > mitochondria.
>>  >
>>  > Curtis and Barnes (pp. 654 - 655):
>>  > "Blue light has long been known to stimulate stomatal opening
>>  > independent of
>>  > CO2 concentration. When isolated guard cells from onion are
>>  > illuminated with
>>  > blue light in the presence of potassium ions, they swell. The
>>  > light-absorbing pigment (which is thought to be located in either
>>  > the cell
>>  > membrane or the vacuole membrane) promotes the uptake of K+ ions
>> by the
>>  > guard cells. Recent studiers have demonstrated that this uptake of
>>  > K+ ions
>>  > is a secondary effect, and that the primary effect of the
>>  > interaction of
>>  > blue light with the pigment is to stimulate the pumping of H+ ions
>>  > out of
>>  > the guard cells.Although these experiments provide support for the
>>  > hypothesis that an electrochemical gradient of H+ ions powers K+
>>  > transport,
>>  > they do not rule out the possible involvement of ATP."
>>  >
>>  >  (My asterisks) "The blue-absorbing pigment, which would be
>>  > yellow in
>>  > color, is thought to be flavin; as you may recall (page195),
>>  > flavin-containing nucleotides are among the electron carriers
>>  > involved in
>>  > cellular respiration in the mitochondria."
>>  >
>>  > Additionally:
>>  > Cyclic electron flow occurs in plant cells when additional ATP is
>>  > needed beyond that for C-fixation and reduction. Light energy is
>>  &

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

[Joe Street]

gt; 2. "Another possibility is that the transport of H+ ions, in a
>  > direction
>  > opposite to that of the K+ ions, establishes an electrochemical
>  > gradient
>  > down which the K+ ions move. (My asterisks) If this should be
>  > the case,
>  > the transport of K+ ions into and out of the guard cells - and thus,
>  > the
>  > opening and closing of the stomata - would be
>  > yet another example of a vital process powered by a chemiosmotic
>  > mechanism
>  > (page 197)."
>  >
>  > p. 197 Describes how energy is harvested by mitochondria as a
> result of
>  > the formation of a "proton gradient" (H+ gradient) between the
>  > matrix and
>  > the intermembranal space of mitochondria. "Potential energy stored
>  > in the
>  > gradient is
>  > released" (as H+ flow down the gradient through ATP-synthetase
>  > complexes)
>  > "and captured in the formation of ATP"
>  >
>  > (We're getting there) Still p 197:
>  > "The proton gradient is established as electrons move down the
> electron
>  > transport chain.At three transition points in the chain, significant
>  > drops
>  > occur in the amount of potentail energy held by the electrons. As a
>  > consequence, relatively large amounts of energy are released at
> each of
>  > these three steps - as electrons move from FMN to coenzyme Q ."
>  >
>  > My Note: FMN is Flavin MonoNucleotide (derived from riboflavin),
> a key
>  > player in the electron transport chain within mitochondria. Closely
>  > related
>  > FAD (Flavin Adenine Dinucleotide) is a source of the electrons that
>  > are fed
>  > into the electron transport chain. It transports electrons from the
>  > Krebs
>  > Cycle within the mitochondrial matrix to the e- transport chain
>  > embedded in
>  > the inner mitochondrial membrane.
>  >
>  > MY POINT: Flavin compounds play key roles in energy harvest
> within the
>  > mitochondria.
>  >
>  > Curtis and Barnes (pp. 654 - 655):
>  > "Blue light has long been known to stimulate stomatal opening
>  > independent of
>  > CO2 concentration. When isolated guard cells from onion are
>  > illuminated with
>  > blue light in the presence of potassium ions, they swell. The
>  > light-absorbing pigment (which is thought to be located in either
>  > the cell
>  > membrane or the vacuole membrane) promotes the uptake of K+ ions
> by the
>  > guard cells. Recent studiers have demonstrated that this uptake of
>  > K+ ions
>  > is a secondary effect, and that the primary effect of the
>  > interaction of
>  > blue light with the pigment is to stimulate the pumping of H+ ions
>  > out of
>  > the guard cells.Although these experiments provide support for the
>  > hypothesis that an electrochemical gradient of H+ ions powers K+
>  > transport,
>  > they do not rule out the possible involvement of ATP."
>  >
>  >  (My asterisks) "The blue-absorbing pigment, which would be
>  > yellow in
>  > color, is thought to be flavin; as you may recall (page195),
>  > flavin-containing nucleotides are among the electron carriers
>  > involved in
>  > cellular respiration in the mitochondria."
>  >
>  > Additionally:
>  > Cyclic electron flow occurs in plant cells when additional ATP is
>  > needed beyond that for C-fixation and reduction. Light energy is
>  > absorbed
>  > by a pigment. Electrons are boosted to higher energy levels and
> passed
>  > through a series of e- acceptors (including FMN) > a proton (H+)
>  > gradient. ATP is formed, but no O2 is released, no CO2 is fixed, no
>  > sugars
>  > formed
>  > It is believed to be the most primitive photosynthetic mechanism.
> It is
>  > essentially Photosystem I acting independently of Photosystem II
>  > with e-
>  > recycling back to the pigment after releasing the captured light
>  > energy > ATP
>  >
>  > It took me a while, but you can't help but be fascinated with the
> fact
>  > that flavins are involved in energy harvesting processes within the
>  > mitochondria and very l

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

[bob allen]

 of open stomata.
>>  > The active transport of K+ ions between the guard cells and the
>>  > surrounding epidermal cells is, of course, an energy-requiring
>> process. The
>>  > energy source is not yet known, but, on the basis of present
>> evidence, one
>>  > of two possibilities seem likely."
>>  > 1. (ATP formed by photosynthesis in chloroplasts of the guard cells)
>>  >
>>  > 2. "Another possibility is that the transport of H+ ions, in a
>> direction
>>  > opposite to that of the K+ ions, establishes an electrochemical
>> gradient
>>  > down which the K+ ions move. (My asterisks) If this should be
>> the case,
>>  > the transport of K+ ions into and out of the guard cells - and
>> thus, the
>>  > opening and closing of the stomata - would be
>>  > yet another example of a vital process powered by a chemiosmotic
>> mechanism
>>  > (page 197)."
>>  >
>>  > p. 197 Describes how energy is harvested by mitochondria as a
>> result of
>>  > the formation of a "proton gradient" (H+ gradient) between the
>> matrix and
>>  > the intermembranal space of mitochondria. "Potential energy
>> stored in the
>>  > gradient is
>>  > released" (as H+ flow down the gradient through ATP-synthetase
>> complexes)
>>  > "and captured in the formation of ATP"
>>  >
>>  > (We're getting there) Still p 197:
>>  > "The proton gradient is established as electrons move down the
>> electron
>>  > transport chain.At three transition points in the chain,
>> significant drops
>>  > occur in the amount of potentail energy held by the electrons. As a
>>  > consequence, relatively large amounts of energy are released at
>> each of
>>  > these three steps - as electrons move from FMN to coenzyme Q ."
>>  >
>>  > My Note: FMN is Flavin MonoNucleotide (derived from riboflavin),
>> a key
>>  > player in the electron transport chain within mitochondria.
>> Closely related
>>  > FAD (Flavin Adenine Dinucleotide) is a source of the electrons
>> that are fed
>>  > into the electron transport chain. It transports electrons from
>> the Krebs
>>  > Cycle within the mitochondrial matrix to the e- transport chain
>> embedded in
>>  > the inner mitochondrial membrane.
>>  >
>>  > MY POINT: Flavin compounds play key roles in energy harvest
>> within the
>>  > mitochondria.
>>  >
>>  > Curtis and Barnes (pp. 654 - 655):
>>  > "Blue light has long been known to stimulate stomatal opening
>> independent of
>>  > CO2 concentration. When isolated guard cells from onion are
>> illuminated with
>>  > blue light in the presence of potassium ions, they swell. The
>>  > light-absorbing pigment (which is thought to be located in either
>> the cell
>>  > membrane or the vacuole membrane) promotes the uptake of K+ ions
>> by the
>>  > guard cells. Recent studiers have demonstrated that this uptake
>> of K+ ions
>>  > is a secondary effect, and that the primary effect of the
>> interaction of
>>  > blue light with the pigment is to stimulate the pumping of H+
>> ions out of
>>  > the guard cells.Although these experiments provide support for the
>>  > hypothesis that an electrochemical gradient of H+ ions powers K+
>> transport,
>>  > they do not rule out the possible involvement of ATP."
>>  >
>>  >  (My asterisks) "The blue-absorbing pigment, which would be
>> yellow in
>>  > color, is thought to be flavin; as you may recall (page195),
>>  > flavin-containing nucleotides are among the electron carriers
>> involved in
>>  > cellular respiration in the mitochondria."
>>  >
>>  > Additionally:
>>  > Cyclic electron flow occurs in plant cells when additional ATP is
>>      > needed beyond that for C-fixation and reduction. Light energy is
>> absorbed
>>  > by a pigment. Electrons are boosted to higher energy levels and
>> passed
>>  > through a series of e- acceptors (including FMN) > a pr

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

[bob allen]

dient
>  > down which the K+ ions move. (My asterisks) If this should be
> the case,
>  > the transport of K+ ions into and out of the guard cells - and
> thus, the
>  > opening and closing of the stomata - would be
>  > yet another example of a vital process powered by a chemiosmotic
> mechanism
>  > (page 197)."
>  >
>  > p. 197 Describes how energy is harvested by mitochondria as a
> result of
>  > the formation of a "proton gradient" (H+ gradient) between the
> matrix and
>  > the intermembranal space of mitochondria. "Potential energy
> stored in the
>  > gradient is
>  > released" (as H+ flow down the gradient through ATP-synthetase
> complexes)
>  > "and captured in the formation of ATP"
>  >
>  > (We're getting there) Still p 197:
>  > "The proton gradient is established as electrons move down the
> electron
>  > transport chain.At three transition points in the chain,
> significant drops
>  > occur in the amount of potentail energy held by the electrons. As a
>  > consequence, relatively large amounts of energy are released at
> each of
>  > these three steps - as electrons move from FMN to coenzyme Q ."
>  >
>  > My Note: FMN is Flavin MonoNucleotide (derived from riboflavin),
> a key
>  > player in the electron transport chain within mitochondria.
> Closely related
>  > FAD (Flavin Adenine Dinucleotide) is a source of the electrons
> that are fed
>  > into the electron transport chain. It transports electrons from
> the Krebs
>  > Cycle within the mitochondrial matrix to the e- transport chain
> embedded in
>  > the inner mitochondrial membrane.
>  >
>  > MY POINT: Flavin compounds play key roles in energy harvest
> within the
>  > mitochondria.
>  >
>  > Curtis and Barnes (pp. 654 - 655):
>  > "Blue light has long been known to stimulate stomatal opening
> independent of
>  > CO2 concentration. When isolated guard cells from onion are
> illuminated with
>  > blue light in the presence of potassium ions, they swell. The
>  > light-absorbing pigment (which is thought to be located in either
> the cell
>  > membrane or the vacuole membrane) promotes the uptake of K+ ions
> by the
>  > guard cells. Recent studiers have demonstrated that this uptake
> of K+ ions
>  > is a secondary effect, and that the primary effect of the
> interaction of
>  > blue light with the pigment is to stimulate the pumping of H+
> ions out of
>  > the guard cells.Although these experiments provide support for the
>  > hypothesis that an electrochemical gradient of H+ ions powers K+
> transport,
>  > they do not rule out the possible involvement of ATP."
>  >
>  >  (My asterisks) "The blue-absorbing pigment, which would be
> yellow in
>  > color, is thought to be flavin; as you may recall (page195),
>  > flavin-containing nucleotides are among the electron carriers
> involved in
>  > cellular respiration in the mitochondria."
>  >
>  > Additionally:
>  > Cyclic electron flow occurs in plant cells when additional ATP is
>  > needed beyond that for C-fixation and reduction. Light energy is
> absorbed
>  > by a pigment. Electrons are boosted to higher energy levels and
> passed
>  > through a series of e- acceptors (including FMN) > a proton (H+)
>  > gradient. ATP is formed, but no O2 is released, no CO2 is fixed,
> no sugars
>  > formed
>  > It is believed to be the most primitive photosynthetic mechanism.
> It is
>  > essentially Photosystem I acting independently of Photosystem II
> with e-
>  > recycling back to the pigment after releasing the captured light
>  > energy > ATP
>  >
>  > It took me a while, but you can't help but be fascinated with the
> fact
>  > that flavins are involved in energy harvesting processes within the
>  > mitochondria and very likely play a role, when stimulated by
> light, in an
>  > energy-requiring process in guard cells of plants as well as
> being involved
>  > in a light-absorbing, energy - yielding process that is of primitive
>  > origins, but still used by plants and some bacteria. Further,
> that each 

[Biofuel] Healing with Light - some pdfs and articles

[Kirk McLoren]

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Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

[Kirk McLoren]

 energy are released at each of> these three steps - as electrons move from FMN to coenzyme Q ."> > My Note: FMN is Flavin MonoNucleotide (derived from riboflavin), a key> player in the electron transport chain within mitochondria. Closely> related> FAD (Flavin Adenine Dinucleotide) is a source of the electrons that> are fed> into the electron transport chain. It transports
 electrons from the> Krebs> Cycle within the mitochondrial matrix to the e- transport chain> embedded in> the inner mitochondrial membrane.> > MY POINT: Flavin compounds play key roles in energy harvest within the> mitochondria.> > Curtis and Barnes (pp. 654 - 655):> "Blue light has long been known to stimulate stomatal opening> independent of> CO2 concentration. When isolated guard cells from onion are> illuminated with> blue light in the presence of potassium ions, they swell. The> light-absorbing pigment (which is thought to be located in either> the cell> membrane or the vacuole membrane) promotes the uptake of K+ ions by the> guard cells. Recent studiers have demonstrated that this uptake of> K+ ions> is a secondary effect, and that the primary effect of the> interaction of> blue light with the pigment is to stimulate
 the pumping of H+ ions> out of> the guard cells.Although these experiments provide support for the> hypothesis that an electrochemical gradient of H+ ions powers K+> transport,> they do not rule out the possible involvement of ATP."> >  (My asterisks) "The blue-absorbing pigment, which would be> yellow in> color, is thought to be flavin; as you may recall (page195),> flavin-containing nucleotides are among the electron carriers> involved in> cellular respiration in the mitochondria."> > Additionally:> Cyclic electron flow occurs in plant cells when additional ATP is> needed beyond that for C-fixation and reduction. Light energy is> absorbed> by a pigment. Electrons are boosted to higher energy levels and passed> through a series of e- acceptors (including FMN) > a proton (H+)> gradient. ATP is formed, but no O2 is released,
 no CO2 is fixed, no> sugars> formed> It is believed to be the most primitive photosynthetic mechanism. It is> essentially Photosystem I acting independently of Photosystem II> with e-> recycling back to the pigment after releasing the captured light> energy > ATP> > It took me a while, but you can't help but be fascinated with the fact> that flavins are involved in energy harvesting processes within the> mitochondria and very likely play a role, when stimulated by light,> in an> energy-requiring process in guard cells of plants as well as being> involved> in a light-absorbing, energy - yielding process that is of primitive> origins, but still used by plants and some bacteria. Further, that> each of> the processes involve establishing proton gradients across cell> membranes.> May be "nothing more" than nature's penchant for
 utilizing very similar> chemicals for apparently different ends. Curious, none the less.> Tom> > > - Original Message -> From: "bob allen"> To:> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:18 PM> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light> > > Kirk McLoren wrote:> > http://www.mcw.edu/display/router.asp?DocID=1> >> > put light in the search box and you will have access to some pdf's of> > published papers. They say there is photochemistry besides> chlorophyll.> > I remember an article at NASA said 40% of the mitochondrial chemical> > energy was instead supplied directly by photons.> > > 40%-wow, and how does this light get to the mitochondria? what> photosynthetic apparatus exists in the mitochondria that isn't reported> in any current biochemistry textbook? This is an astounding
 revelation> if true. I googled around a bit and find nothing. Any hints as to where> to look for support for such a claim?> > > sorry if i find this hard to grasp but you suggest that NASA says that> almost half of the energy required to run my body comes from photons- I> bet calculations from first principles- caloric values of food eaten> compared to body temperature for base metabolism wouldn't show a 40%> discrepancy. but I could be wrong.> > > There has been testing> > at a childrens cancer hospital and others. Looks really good.> > > initial results nearly always look good, otherwise the wouldn't be> reported. However, children are particularly susceptible to the placebo> effect. Everything from acute pain to viral infections (warts) have been> resolved via a placebo effect. Do you think these results included> consideration
 of the placebo effect?> 

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

[Kirk McLoren]

coenzyme Q ."> > My Note: FMN is Flavin MonoNucleotide (derived from riboflavin), a key > player in the electron transport chain within mitochondria. Closely related > FAD (Flavin Adenine Dinucleotide) is a source of the electrons that are fed > into the electron transport chain. It transports electrons from the Krebs > Cycle within the mitochondrial matrix to the e- transport chain embedded in > the inner mitochondrial membrane.> > MY POINT: Flavin compounds play key roles in
 energy harvest within the > mitochondria.> > Curtis and Barnes (pp. 654 - 655):> "Blue light has long been known to stimulate stomatal opening independent of > CO2 concentration. When isolated guard cells from onion are illuminated with > blue light in the presence of potassium ions, they swell. The > light-absorbing pigment (which is thought to be located in either the cell > membrane or the vacuole membrane) promotes the uptake of K+ ions by the > guard cells. Recent studiers have demonstrated that this uptake of K+ ions > is a secondary effect, and that the primary effect of the interaction of > blue light with the pigment is to stimulate the pumping of H+ ions out of > the guard cells.Although these experiments provide support for the > hypothesis that an electrochemical gradient of H+ ions powers K+ transport, > they do not rule out the possible involvement of
 ATP."> >  (My asterisks) "The blue-absorbing pigment, which would be yellow in > color, is thought to be flavin; as you may recall (page195), > flavin-containing nucleotides are among the electron carriers involved in > cellular respiration in the mitochondria."> > Additionally:> Cyclic electron flow occurs in plant cells when additional ATP is > needed beyond that for C-fixation and reduction. Light energy is absorbed > by a pigment. Electrons are boosted to higher energy levels and passed > through a series of e- acceptors (including FMN) > a proton (H+) > gradient. ATP is formed, but no O2 is released, no CO2 is fixed, no sugars > formed> It is believed to be the most primitive photosynthetic mechanism. It is > essentially Photosystem I acting independently of Photosystem II with e- > recycling back to the pigment after releasing the captured light
 > energy > ATP> > It took me a while, but you can't help but be fascinated with the fact > that flavins are involved in energy harvesting processes within the > mitochondria and very likely play a role, when stimulated by light, in an > energy-requiring process in guard cells of plants as well as being involved > in a light-absorbing, energy - yielding process that is of primitive > origins, but still used by plants and some bacteria. Further, that each of > the processes involve establishing proton gradients across cell membranes.> May be "nothing more" than nature's penchant for utilizing very similar > chemicals for apparently different ends. Curious, none the less.> Tom> > > - Original Message - > From: "bob allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:18 PM> Subject: Re:
 [Biofuel] Healing with light> > > Kirk McLoren wrote:>> http://www.mcw.edu/display/router.asp?DocID=1>>>> put light in the search box and you will have access to some pdf's of>> published papers. They say there is photochemistry besides chlorophyll.>> I remember an article at NASA said 40% of the mitochondrial chemical>> energy was instead supplied directly by photons.> > > 40%-wow, and how does this light get to the mitochondria? what> photosynthetic apparatus exists in the mitochondria that isn't reported> in any current biochemistry textbook? This is an astounding revelation> if true. I googled around a bit and find nothing. Any hints as to where> to look for support for such a claim?> > > sorry if i find this hard to grasp but you suggest that NASA says that> almost half of the energy required to run my body comes
 from photons- I> bet calculations from first principles- caloric values of food eaten> compared to body temperature for base metabolism wouldn't show a 40%> discrepancy. but I could be wrong.> > > There has been testing>> at a childrens cancer hospital and others. Looks really good.> > > initial results nearly always look good, otherwise the wouldn't be> reported. However, children are particularly susceptible to the placebo> effect. Everything from acute pain to viral infections (warts) have been> resolved via a placebo effect. Do you think these results included> consideration of the placebo effect?> > >> Did you use the link at the bottom of the article?> > yes but I didn't see much more to co

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

[bob allen]

otide (derived from riboflavin), a key 
> player in the electron transport chain within mitochondria. Closely related 
> FAD (Flavin Adenine Dinucleotide) is a source of the electrons that are fed 
> into the electron transport chain. It transports electrons from the Krebs 
> Cycle within the mitochondrial matrix to the e- transport chain embedded in 
> the inner mitochondrial membrane.
> 
> MY POINT:  Flavin compounds play key roles in energy harvest within the 
> mitochondria.
> 
> Curtis and Barnes (pp. 654 - 655):
> "Blue light has long been known to stimulate stomatal opening independent of 
> CO2 concentration. When isolated guard cells from onion are illuminated with 
> blue light in the presence of potassium ions, they swell. The 
> light-absorbing pigment (which is thought to be located in either the cell 
> membrane or the vacuole membrane) promotes the uptake of K+ ions by the 
> guard cells. Recent studiers have demonstrated that this uptake of K+ ions 
> is a secondary effect, and that the primary effect of the interaction of 
> blue light with the pigment is to stimulate the pumping of H+ ions out of 
> the guard cells.Although these experiments provide support for the 
> hypothesis that an electrochemical gradient of H+ ions powers K+ transport, 
> they do not rule out the possible involvement of ATP."
> 
>  (My asterisks)  "The blue-absorbing pigment, which would be yellow in 
> color, is thought to be flavin; as you may recall (page195), 
> flavin-containing nucleotides are among the electron carriers involved in 
> cellular respiration in the mitochondria."
> 
> Additionally:
>  Cyclic electron flow occurs in plant cells when additional ATP is 
> needed beyond that for C-fixation and reduction.  Light energy is absorbed 
> by a pigment. Electrons are boosted to higher energy levels and passed 
> through a series of e- acceptors  (including FMN)  > a proton (H+) 
> gradient. ATP is formed, but no O2 is released, no CO2 is fixed, no sugars 
> formed
>  It is believed to be the most primitive photosynthetic mechanism. It is 
> essentially Photosystem I acting independently of Photosystem II with e- 
> recycling back to the pigment after releasing the captured light 
> energy > ATP
> 
>  It took me a while, but you can't help but be fascinated with the fact 
> that flavins are involved in energy harvesting processes within the 
> mitochondria and very likely play a role, when stimulated by light, in an 
> energy-requiring process in guard cells of plants as well as being involved 
> in a light-absorbing, energy - yielding process that is of primitive 
> origins, but still used by plants and some bacteria. Further, that each of 
> the processes involve establishing proton gradients across cell membranes.
> May be "nothing more" than nature's penchant for utilizing very similar 
> chemicals for apparently different ends. Curious, none the less.
>   Tom
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "bob allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light
> 
> 
> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>> http://www.mcw.edu/display/router.asp?DocID=1
>>
>> put light in the search box and you will have access to some pdf's of
>> published papers. They say there is photochemistry besides chlorophyll.
>> I remember an article at NASA said 40% of the mitochondrial chemical
>> energy was instead supplied directly by photons.
> 
> 
> 40%-wow, and how does this light get to the mitochondria?  what
> photosynthetic apparatus exists in the mitochondria that isn't reported
> in any current biochemistry textbook? This is an astounding revelation
> if true. I googled around a bit and find nothing. Any hints as to where
> to look for support for such a claim?
> 
> 
> sorry if i find this hard to grasp but you suggest that NASA says that
> almost half of the energy required to run my body comes from photons- I
> bet calculations from first principles- caloric values of food eaten
> compared to body temperature for base metabolism wouldn't show a 40%
> discrepancy.  but I could be wrong.
> 
> 
>   There has been testing
>> at a childrens cancer hospital and others. Looks really good.
> 
> 
> initial results nearly always look good, otherwise the wouldn't be
> reported. However, children are particularly susceptible to the placebo
> effect. Everything from acute pain to viral infections (warts) have been
> resolved via a placebo effect. Do you think these results included
> consideration of the placebo effect?
> 
> 
>> Did you use the link at 

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

[Joe Street]

s move down the electron
> transport chain.At three transition points in the chain, significant
> drops
> occur in the amount of potentail energy held by the electrons. As a
> consequence, relatively large amounts of energy are released at each of
> these three steps - as electrons move from FMN to coenzyme Q ."
> 
> My Note: FMN is Flavin MonoNucleotide (derived from riboflavin), a key
> player in the electron transport chain within mitochondria. Closely
> related
> FAD (Flavin Adenine Dinucleotide) is a source of the electrons that
> are fed
> into the electron transport chain. It transports electrons from the
> Krebs
> Cycle within the mitochondrial matrix to the e- transport chain
> embedded in
> the inner mitochondrial membrane.
> 
> MY POINT: Flavin compounds play key roles in energy harvest within the
> mitochondria.
> 
> Curtis and Barnes (pp. 654 - 655):
> "Blue light has long been known to stimulate stomatal opening
> independent of
> CO2 concentration. When isolated guard cells from onion are
> illuminated with
> blue light in the presence of potassium ions, they swell. The
> light-absorbing pigment (which is thought to be located in either
> the cell
> membrane or the vacuole membrane) promotes the uptake of K+ ions by the
> guard cells. Recent studiers have demonstrated that this uptake of
> K+ ions
> is a secondary effect, and that the primary effect of the
> interaction of
> blue light with the pigment is to stimulate the pumping of H+ ions
> out of
> the guard cells.Although these experiments provide support for the
> hypothesis that an electrochemical gradient of H+ ions powers K+
> transport,
> they do not rule out the possible involvement of ATP."
> 
>  (My asterisks) "The blue-absorbing pigment, which would be
> yellow in
> color, is thought to be flavin; as you may recall (page195),
> flavin-containing nucleotides are among the electron carriers
> involved in
> cellular respiration in the mitochondria."
> 
> Additionally:
> Cyclic electron flow occurs in plant cells when additional ATP is
> needed beyond that for C-fixation and reduction. Light energy is
> absorbed
> by a pigment. Electrons are boosted to higher energy levels and passed
> through a series of e- acceptors (including FMN) > a proton (H+)
> gradient. ATP is formed, but no O2 is released, no CO2 is fixed, no
> sugars
> formed
> It is believed to be the most primitive photosynthetic mechanism. It is
> essentially Photosystem I acting independently of Photosystem II
> with e-
> recycling back to the pigment after releasing the captured light
> energy > ATP
> 
> It took me a while, but you can't help but be fascinated with the fact
> that flavins are involved in energy harvesting processes within the
> mitochondria and very likely play a role, when stimulated by light,
> in an
> energy-requiring process in guard cells of plants as well as being
> involved
> in a light-absorbing, energy - yielding process that is of primitive
> origins, but still used by plants and some bacteria. Further, that
> each of
> the processes involve establishing proton gradients across cell
> membranes.
> May be "nothing more" than nature's penchant for utilizing very similar
> chemicals for apparently different ends. Curious, none the less.
> Tom
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "bob allen"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light
> 
> 
> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>  > http://www.mcw.edu/display/router.asp?DocID=1
>  >
>  > put light in the search box and you will have access to some pdf's of
>  > published papers. They say there is photochemistry besides
> chlorophyll.
>  > I remember an article at NASA said 40% of the mitochondrial chemical
>  > energy was instead supplied directly by photons.
> 
> 
> 40%-wow, and how does this light get to the mitochondria? what
> photosynthetic apparatus exists in the mitochondria that isn't reported
> in any current biochemistry textbook? This is an astounding revelation
> if true. I googled around a bit and find nothing. Any hints as to where
> to look for support for such a claim?
> 
> 
> sorry if i find this hard to grasp but you suggest that NASA says that
> almost half 

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

[Kirk McLoren]

Thank you Mr Kelly for the fascinating information. I will try to post some url's for references I have found sometime today. I am at the moment trying to get some information from Marubeni America Corp re some illuminators. The Doctor at U of Wisconsin said that the ir penetrated 23cm at useful energy levels.I take that to be about 8 inches of tissue. Dosage was 4 joules per cm2 per treatment at the surface.     I had seen this stuff before but when faced with the possibility of putting an injured stud down got very interested in accelerating healing.     KirkThomas Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Bob,You Wrote:"40%-wow, and how does this light get to the mitochondria? what photosynthetic apparatus exists in the mitochondria that isn't reported in any
 current biochemistry textbook? This is an astounding revelationif true. I googled around a bit and find nothing. Any hints as to where to look for support for such a claim?"This might take a while . you might think it's a stretch, but I think a relationship between light and energy harvest in the mitochondria is at least a possibility. I have no idea of a specific %, or how such a relationship would serve a purpose . most cells of multicellular organisms don't get much exposure to light.When one examines the ATP harvested in mitochondria by the oxidation of organic compounds ("Oxidative Phophorylation")and the formation of ATP within plants cells utilizing light energy ("Photophosphorylation) the similarities far outweigh the differences. Both involve elecrons being passed from higher to lower energy levels through a series of electron transport molecules. Both involve using the energy released in
 the formation of proton (H+) gradients across membranes. Both include special membrane passageways" (ATP synthetase complexes) that allow the H+ to flow down the gradient through the otherwise impermeable membrane (to H+) and capture the energy they release in ATP molecules. The key difference is the source of energy. The question seems to be: Can light energy increase mitochondrial energy harvest?Biology (5th Edition) by Helena Curtis & N. Sue Barnes"Mechanisms of Stomatal Movements" pp. 653 - 655."It has long been known that the osmotic movement of water is involved in the opening and closing of the stomata. the critical factor affecting the osmotic movement of water into and out of the cells is the potassium ion (K+).With an increase in K+ concentration, the stomata open, and with a decrease they close. Hydrogen ions (H+) are pumped in the opposite direction, (of K+), producing a
 decreased H+ conc within the guard cells of open stomata.The active transport of K+ ions between the guard cells and the surrounding epidermal cells is, of course, an energy-requiring process. The energy source is not yet known, but, on the basis of present evidence, one of two possibilities seem likely."1. (ATP formed by photosynthesis in chloroplasts of the guard cells)2. "Another possibility is that the transport of H+ ions, in a direction opposite to that of the K+ ions, establishes an electrochemical gradient down which the K+ ions move. (My asterisks) If this should be the case, the transport of K+ ions into and out of the guard cells - and thus, the opening and closing of the stomata - would beyet another example of a vital process powered by a chemiosmotic mechanism (page 197)."p. 197 Describes how energy is harvested by mitochondria as a result of the formation of a "proton gradient" (H+ gradient)
 between the matrix and the intermembranal space of mitochondria. "Potential energy stored in the gradient isreleased" (as H+ flow down the gradient through ATP-synthetase complexes) "and captured in the formation of ATP"(We're getting there) Still p 197:"The proton gradient is established as electrons move down the electron transport chain.At three transition points in the chain, significant drops occur in the amount of potentail energy held by the electrons. As a consequence, relatively large amounts of energy are released at each of these three steps - as electrons move from FMN to coenzyme Q ."My Note: FMN is Flavin MonoNucleotide (derived from riboflavin), a key player in the electron transport chain within mitochondria. Closely related FAD (Flavin Adenine Dinucleotide) is a source of the electrons that are fed into the electron transport chain. It transports electrons from the Krebs Cycle within
 the mitochondrial matrix to the e- transport chain embedded in the inner mitochondrial membrane.MY POINT: Flavin compounds play key roles in energy harvest within the mitochondria.Curtis and Barnes (pp. 654 - 655):"Blue light has long been known to stimulate stomatal opening independent of CO2 concentration. When isolated guard cells from onion are illuminated with blue light in the presence of potassium ions, they swell. The light-absorbing pigment (which is thought to be located in either the cell membrane or the vacuole membrane) promotes the upta

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

[Thomas Kelly]

of H+ ions powers K+ transport, 
they do not rule out the possible involvement of ATP."

 (My asterisks)  "The blue-absorbing pigment, which would be yellow in 
color, is thought to be flavin; as you may recall (page195), 
flavin-containing nucleotides are among the electron carriers involved in 
cellular respiration in the mitochondria."

Additionally:
 Cyclic electron flow occurs in plant cells when additional ATP is 
needed beyond that for C-fixation and reduction.  Light energy is absorbed 
by a pigment. Electrons are boosted to higher energy levels and passed 
through a series of e- acceptors  (including FMN)  > a proton (H+) 
gradient. ATP is formed, but no O2 is released, no CO2 is fixed, no sugars 
formed
 It is believed to be the most primitive photosynthetic mechanism. It is 
essentially Photosystem I acting independently of Photosystem II with e- 
recycling back to the pigment after releasing the captured light 
energy > ATP

 It took me a while, but you can't help but be fascinated with the fact 
that flavins are involved in energy harvesting processes within the 
mitochondria and very likely play a role, when stimulated by light, in an 
energy-requiring process in guard cells of plants as well as being involved 
in a light-absorbing, energy - yielding process that is of primitive 
origins, but still used by plants and some bacteria. Further, that each of 
the processes involve establishing proton gradients across cell membranes.
May be "nothing more" than nature's penchant for utilizing very similar 
chemicals for apparently different ends. Curious, none the less.
          Tom


- Original Message - 
From: "bob allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light


Kirk McLoren wrote:
> http://www.mcw.edu/display/router.asp?DocID=1
>
> put light in the search box and you will have access to some pdf's of
> published papers. They say there is photochemistry besides chlorophyll.
> I remember an article at NASA said 40% of the mitochondrial chemical
> energy was instead supplied directly by photons.


40%-wow, and how does this light get to the mitochondria?  what
photosynthetic apparatus exists in the mitochondria that isn't reported
in any current biochemistry textbook? This is an astounding revelation
if true. I googled around a bit and find nothing. Any hints as to where
to look for support for such a claim?


sorry if i find this hard to grasp but you suggest that NASA says that
almost half of the energy required to run my body comes from photons- I
bet calculations from first principles- caloric values of food eaten
compared to body temperature for base metabolism wouldn't show a 40%
discrepancy.  but I could be wrong.


  There has been testing
> at a childrens cancer hospital and others. Looks really good.


initial results nearly always look good, otherwise the wouldn't be
reported. However, children are particularly susceptible to the placebo
effect. Everything from acute pain to viral infections (warts) have been
resolved via a placebo effect. Do you think these results included
consideration of the placebo effect?


>
> Did you use the link at the bottom of the article?

yes but I didn't see much more to convince me.




>
> Kirk
>
> */bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> Howdy Kirk,
>
> I looked over the report and although the claims sound promising, I
> am bothered by the rather
> shallow explanation of the effect:
>
> So far, what we see in patients and what we see in laboratory cell
> cultures, all point to one
> conclusion," said Dr. Whelan. "The near-infrared light emitted by
> these LEDs seems to be perfect
> for increasing energy inside cells. This means whether you're on
> Earth in a hospital, working on
> a submarine under the sea, or on your way to Mars inside a
> spaceship, the LEDs boost energy to
> the cells and accelerate healing."
>
> just what the heck do they mean by boosting energy in the cell?
> other than cells with a
> photosynthetic apparatus, there is no mechanism for turning
> electromagnetic energy into ATP, the
> energy currency of all cells. near IR energy would warm the cells,
> but so would a 25 watt light
> bulb or a candle. If the light stimulates growth factors, protein
> synthesis, rna expression or
> whatever say so, but don't give me some lame claim as to "increasing
> energy". This sound way too
> mystical.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>  >
>  > *Mice were blinded with methanol and 95% had their sight restored.*
>  >
> 

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

[Joe Street]

That's it!  I'm cutting work and heading out to sunbathe for a couple of 
hours.  I figure I can skip dinner if I get enough sun.

J

bob allen wrote:
> 
> 40%-wow, and how does this light get to the mitochondria?  what 
> photosynthetic apparatus exists in the mitochondria that isn't reported 
> in any current biochemistry textbook? This is an astounding revelation 
> if true. I googled around a bit and find nothing. Any hints as to where 
> to look for support for such a claim?
> 


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Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

[bob allen]

Kirk McLoren wrote:
> http://www.mcw.edu/display/router.asp?DocID=1
>  
> put light in the search box and you will have access to some pdf's of 
> published papers. They say there is photochemistry besides chlorophyll. 
> I remember an article at NASA said 40% of the mitochondrial chemical 
> energy was instead supplied directly by photons.


40%-wow, and how does this light get to the mitochondria?  what 
photosynthetic apparatus exists in the mitochondria that isn't reported 
in any current biochemistry textbook? This is an astounding revelation 
if true. I googled around a bit and find nothing. Any hints as to where 
to look for support for such a claim?


sorry if i find this hard to grasp but you suggest that NASA says that 
almost half of the energy required to run my body comes from photons- I 
bet calculations from first principles- caloric values of food eaten 
compared to body temperature for base metabolism wouldn't show a 40% 
discrepancy.  but I could be wrong.


  There has been testing
> at a childrens cancer hospital and others. Looks really good.


initial results nearly always look good, otherwise the wouldn't be 
reported. However, children are particularly susceptible to the placebo 
effect. Everything from acute pain to viral infections (warts) have been 
resolved via a placebo effect. Do you think these results included 
consideration of the placebo effect?


>  
> Did you use the link at the bottom of the article?

yes but I didn't see much more to convince me.




>  
> Kirk
> 
> */bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> 
> Howdy Kirk,
> 
> I looked over the report and although the claims sound promising, I
> am bothered by the rather
> shallow explanation of the effect:
> 
> So far, what we see in patients and what we see in laboratory cell
> cultures, all point to one
> conclusion," said Dr. Whelan. "The near-infrared light emitted by
> these LEDs seems to be perfect
> for increasing energy inside cells. This means whether you're on
> Earth in a hospital, working on
> a submarine under the sea, or on your way to Mars inside a
> spaceship, the LEDs boost energy to
> the cells and accelerate healing."
> 
> just what the heck do they mean by boosting energy in the cell?
> other than cells with a
> photosynthetic apparatus, there is no mechanism for turning
> electromagnetic energy into ATP, the
> energy currency of all cells. near IR energy would warm the cells,
> but so would a 25 watt light
> bulb or a candle. If the light stimulates growth factors, protein
> synthesis, rna expression or
> whatever say so, but don't give me some lame claim as to "increasing
> energy". This sound way too
> mystical.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>  >
>  > *Mice were blinded with methanol and 95% had their sight restored.*
>  >
>  > Kirk
>  >
>  >
>  > **
>  >
>  >
>  > *http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/1031002355.html*
>  >
>  >
>  > *Healing with Light Moves Beyond Fiction*
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Fans of the Star Trek television shows can recall many stirring
> scenes of medical officers
>  > treating patients without drugs or surgery, using instead a
> device the size of a cell phone that
>  > sends out light rays to "miraculously" heal wounds and cure
> disease before their very eyes. Now,
>  > the use of light emitting diodes (LED) in the practice of
> medicine has moved well beyond science
>  > fiction and into the real world. Soldiers injured by lasers in
> combat, astronauts in space and
>  > children in cancer wards are already benefiting from the healing
> properties of near-infrared
>  > light in ways that could only be imagined a few years ago.
> Several research projects at the
>  > Medical College of Wisconsin are at the center of LED treatment
> development and the application
>  > of new technology to a wide range of injury and illness. "The
> potential is quite endless," said
>  > *Harry T. Whelan, MD* , Medical College Bleser Professor
>  > of Neurology, Pediatrics and Hyperbaric Medicine. "I like to say
> that the history of medicine,
>  > since the beginning of time, has been poisons and knives. Drugs
> usually poison some enzyme system
>  > for the benefit of the patient. Think about the drugs you take:
> Digitalis is digitoxin; it's
>  > from the foxglove plant and it poisons your heart gently to help
> you with cardiac disease. Motrin
>  > and aspirin basically poison the prostaglandin system to decrease
> pain by poisoning the
>  > inflammatory cascade. Blood thinners basically poison the
> clotting system, and on and on and on.
>  > "So all these drugs that we take are poisons carefully dosed to
> help the patient. And then, of
>  > course, knives. That's su

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

[Kirk McLoren]

http://www.mcw.edu/display/router.asp?DocID=1     put light in the search box and you will have access to some pdf's of published papers. They say there is photochemistry besides chlorophyll. I remember an article at NASA said 40% of the mitochondrial chemical energy was instead supplied directly by photons. There has been testing at a childrens cancer hospital and others. Looks really good.     Did you use the link at the bottom of the article?     Kirkbob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Howdy Kirk,I looked over the report and although the claims sound promising, I am bothered by the rathershallow explanation of the effect:So far, what we see in patients and what we see in
 laboratory cell cultures, all point to oneconclusion," said Dr. Whelan. "The near-infrared light emitted by these LEDs seems to be perfectfor increasing energy inside cells. This means whether you're on Earth in a hospital, working ona submarine under the sea, or on your way to Mars inside a spaceship, the LEDs boost energy tothe cells and accelerate healing."just what the heck do they mean by boosting energy in the cell? other than cells with a photosynthetic apparatus, there is no mechanism for turning electromagnetic energy into ATP, the energy currency of all cells. near IR energy would warm the cells, but so would a 25 watt light bulb or a candle. If the light stimulates growth factors, protein synthesis, rna _expression_ or whatever say so, but don't give me some lame claim as to "increasing energy". This sound way too mystical.Kirk McLoren wrote:> > *Mice were blinded with
 methanol and 95% had their sight restored.*> > Kirk> > > **> > > *http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/1031002355.html*> > > *Healing with Light Moves Beyond Fiction*> > > > > Fans of the Star Trek television shows can recall many stirring scenes of medical officers > treating patients without drugs or surgery, using instead a device the size of a cell phone that> sends out light rays to "miraculously" heal wounds and cure disease before their very eyes. Now,> the use of light emitting diodes (LED) in the practice of medicine has moved well beyond science> fiction and into the real world. Soldiers injured by lasers in combat, astronauts in space and > children in cancer wards are already benefiting from the healing properties of near-infrared > light in ways that could only be imagined a few years ago. Several research
 projects at the > Medical College of Wisconsin are at the center of LED treatment development and the application > of new technology to a wide range of injury and illness. "The potential is quite endless," said > *Harry T. Whelan, MD* , Medical College Bleser Professor> of Neurology, Pediatrics and Hyperbaric Medicine. "I like to say that the history of medicine, > since the beginning of time, has been poisons and knives. Drugs usually poison some enzyme system> for the benefit of the patient. Think about the drugs you take: Digitalis is digitoxin; it's > from the foxglove plant and it poisons your heart gently to help you with cardiac disease. Motrin> and aspirin basically poison the prostaglandin system to decrease pain by poisoning the > inflammatory cascade. Blood thinners basically poison the clotting system, and on and on and on. > "So all these drugs that
 we take are poisons carefully dosed to help the patient. And then, of > course, knives. That's surgery, in which you have to cut the patient in order to cure. In this > particular strategy, what we're trying to do is use the energy of certain specific wavelengths of> light, which are carefully studied in our research lab, to determine those that will enhance the> cells' normal biochemistry instead of poisoning something that is supposed to occur or cutting> at it. I consider that a paradigm shift in the entire approach to medicine that has the> potential, therefore, to alter all kinds of disease processes, particularly any in which there's> an energy crisis for the tissue." Light emitting diodes - commonly used for clock displays and in> many other electronic devices - produce near-infrared light, a form of energy just outside the> visible range. Cells exposed to LED light in this range have been found to grow
 150% to 200%> faster than cells not given and LED "bath" because, in simple terms, the light arrays speed up> the healing process by increasing energy inside the cells. *Relief for Young Cancer Patients*> Much of the research into the use of LEDs in medicine has spun off from projects funded by the> Defense Department and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). For example,> when LEDs worked well in providing light to grow plants on the Space Station, researchers found> that the diodes also showed promise in many medical applications. NASA then funded Medical> College research and clinical trials using LEDs to treat cancer patients following bone marrow > transplants. Mucositis, a very painful side effect of cancer treatment, produces throat and mouth> ulcerat

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

[bob allen]

Howdy Kirk,

I looked over the report and although the claims sound promising, I am bothered 
by the rather
shallow explanation of the effect:

  So far, what we see in patients and what we see in laboratory cell cultures, 
all point to one
  conclusion," said Dr. Whelan. "The near-infrared light emitted by these LEDs 
seems to be perfect
  for increasing energy inside cells. This means whether you're on Earth in a 
hospital, working on
  a submarine under the sea, or on your way to Mars inside a spaceship, the 
LEDs boost energy to
  the cells and accelerate healing."

just what the heck do they mean by boosting energy in the cell?  other than 
cells with a 
photosynthetic apparatus, there is no mechanism for turning electromagnetic 
energy into ATP, the 
energy currency of all cells.  near IR energy would warm the cells, but so 
would a 25 watt light 
bulb or a candle. If the light stimulates growth factors, protein synthesis, 
rna expression or 
whatever say so, but don't give me some lame claim as to "increasing energy". 
This sound way too 
mystical.








Kirk McLoren wrote:
> 
> *Mice were blinded with methanol and 95% had their sight restored.*
> 
> Kirk
> 
> 
> **
> 
> 
> *http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/1031002355.html*
> 
> 
> *Healing with Light Moves Beyond Fiction*
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Fans of the Star Trek television shows can recall many stirring scenes of 
> medical officers 
> treating patients without drugs or surgery, using instead a device the size 
> of a cell phone that
>  sends out light rays to "miraculously" heal wounds and cure disease before 
> their very eyes. Now,
>  the use of light emitting diodes (LED) in the practice of medicine has moved 
> well beyond science
>  fiction and into the real world. Soldiers injured by lasers in combat, 
> astronauts in space and 
> children in cancer wards are already benefiting from the healing properties 
> of near-infrared 
> light in ways that could only be imagined a few years ago. Several research 
> projects at the 
> Medical College of Wisconsin are at the center of LED treatment development 
> and the application 
> of new technology to a wide range of injury and illness. "The potential is 
> quite endless," said 
> *Harry T. Whelan, MD* , Medical 
> College Bleser Professor
>  of Neurology, Pediatrics and Hyperbaric Medicine. "I like to say that the 
> history of medicine, 
> since the beginning of time, has been poisons and knives. Drugs usually 
> poison some enzyme system
>  for the benefit of the patient. Think about the drugs you take: Digitalis is 
> digitoxin; it's 
> from the foxglove plant and it poisons your heart gently to help you with 
> cardiac disease. Motrin
>  and aspirin basically poison the prostaglandin system to decrease pain by 
> poisoning the 
> inflammatory cascade. Blood thinners basically poison the clotting system, 
> and on and on and on. 
> "So all these drugs that we take are poisons carefully dosed to help the 
> patient. And then, of 
> course, knives. That's surgery, in which you have to cut the patient in order 
> to cure. In this 
> particular strategy, what we're trying to do is use the energy of certain 
> specific wavelengths of
>  light, which are carefully studied in our research lab, to determine those 
> that will enhance the
>  cells' normal biochemistry instead of poisoning something that is supposed 
> to occur or cutting
> at it. I consider that a paradigm shift in the entire approach to medicine 
> that has the
> potential, therefore, to alter all kinds of disease processes, particularly 
> any in which there's
> an energy crisis for the tissue." Light emitting diodes - commonly used for 
> clock displays and in
> many other electronic devices - produce near-infrared light, a form of energy 
> just outside the
> visible range. Cells exposed to LED light in this range have been found to 
> grow 150% to 200%
> faster than cells not given and LED "bath" because, in simple terms, the 
> light arrays speed up
> the healing process by increasing energy inside the cells. *Relief for Young 
> Cancer Patients*
> Much of the research into the use of LEDs in medicine has spun off from 
> projects funded by the
> Defense Department and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration 
> (NASA). For example,
> when LEDs worked well in providing light to grow plants on the Space Station, 
> researchers found
> that the diodes also showed promise in many medical applications. NASA then 
> funded Medical
> College research and clinical trials using LEDs to treat cancer patients 
> following bone marrow 
> transplants. Mucositis, a very painful side effect of cancer treatment, 
> produces throat and mouth
>  ulcerations and gastrointestinal problems so severe that health suffers as 
> chewing and 
> swallowing food and drink become difficult or even impossible. In the first 
> trial at Children's 
> Hospital of Wisconsin, LED treatment proved so successful in tre

[Biofuel] Healing with light

[Marylynn Schmidt]

My ex-husband .. a navy seal in Vietnam .. was taught the art of 
"invisibility" by the U.S. Navy .. or perhaps, more correctly .. the CIA

While I refuse to say "UFO" in describing what I see .. I see (or notice) 
what most people would describe as "ordinary" but .. perhaps a bit out of 
place.

.. a big beautiful moon sitting in a field off a major interstate in the 
mist of evening rush hour .. except this moon was rising in the west ..

.. 3 cars in a row .. all sedate sedans in pastel colors with 2 then 1 then 
1 kayaks on top .. 2 people in the first car .. 1 person in the second car 
.. 1 person in the 3 car .. all elderly.

I understand this may be a description not understood by many of different 
backgrounds .. but I must use the term .. spun pink sugar sunday school 
hairdos .. to describe the drivers of all 3 cars.

I personally work with psionic energy in many applications that could be 
described as "healing" .. but I don't believe I can use that word.

.. to the best of my understanding the AMA has that word "copy written".

For those of us who don't believe that the physical world is the only world 
(or even a real world - but our illusion can be very strong) I would want to 
say ..

Welcome.

Mary Lynn

Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister
ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART
TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . 
Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner 
. Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity .
The Animal Connection Healing Modalities
http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/
http://allcreatureconnections.org





>From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: biofuel 
>Subject: [Biofuel] Healing with light
>Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:14 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Mice were blinded with methanol and 95% had their sight restored.  Kirk
>  http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/1031002355.html  Healing with Light 
>Moves Beyond Fiction  Fans of the Star Trek television shows can recall 
>many stirring scenes of medical officers treating patients without drugs or 
>surgery, using instead a device the size of a cell phone that sends out 
>light rays to "miraculously" heal wounds and cure disease before their very 
>eyes.   Now, the use of light emitting diodes (LED) in the practice of 
>medicine has moved well beyond science fiction and into the real world. 
>Soldiers injured by lasers in combat, astronauts in space and children in 
>cancer wards are already benefiting from the healing properties of 
>near-infrared light in ways that could only be imagined a few years ago. 
>Several research projects at the Medical College of Wisconsin are at the 
>center of LED treatment development and the application of new technology 
>to a wide range of injury and illness.   "The potential is quite endless," 
>said Harry T. Whelan, MD, Medical
>  College Bleser Professor of Neurology, Pediatrics and Hyperbaric 
>Medicine. "I like to say that the history of medicine, since the beginning 
>of time, has been poisons and knives. Drugs usually poison some enzyme 
>system for the benefit of the patient. Think about the drugs you take: 
>Digitalis is digitoxin; it's from the foxglove plant and it poisons your 
>heart gently to help you with cardiac disease. Motrin and aspirin basically 
>poison the prostaglandin system to decrease pain by poisoning the 
>inflammatory cascade. Blood thinners basically poison the clotting system, 
>and on and on and on.   "So all these drugs that we take are poisons 
>carefully dosed to help the patient. And then, of course, knives. That's 
>surgery, in which you have to cut the patient in order to cure. In this 
>particular strategy, what we're trying to do is use the energy of certain 
>specific wavelengths of light, which are carefully studied in our research 
>lab, to determine those that will enhance the cells'
>  normal biochemistry instead of poisoning something that is supposed to 
>occur or cutting at it. I consider that a paradigm shift in the entire 
>approach to medicine that has the potential, therefore, to alter all kinds 
>of disease processes, particularly any in which there's an energy crisis 
>for the tissue."   Light emitting diodes - commonly used for clock displays 
>and in many other electronic devices - produce near-infrared light, a form 
>of energy just outside the visible range. Cells exposed to LED light in 
>this range have been found to grow 150% to 200% faster than cells not given 
>and LED "bath" because, in simple terms, the light arrays speed up the 
>healing process by increasing energy inside the cells.   Relief for Young 
>Cancer Patients
>Much of the resear

[Biofuel] Healing with light

[Kirk McLoren]

Mice were blinded with methanol and 95% had their sight restored.  Kirk     http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/1031002355.html  Healing with Light Moves Beyond Fiction      Fans of the Star Trek television shows can recall many stirring scenes of medical officers treating patients without drugs or surgery, using instead a device the size of a cell phone that sends out light rays to "miraculously" heal wounds and cure disease before their very eyes.   Now, the use of light emitting diodes (LED) in the practice of medicine has moved well beyond science fiction and into the real world. Soldiers injured by lasers in combat, astronauts in space and children in cancer wards are already benefiting from the healing properties of near-infrared light in ways that could only be
 imagined a few years ago. Several research projects at the Medical College of Wisconsin are at the center of LED treatment development and the application of new technology to a wide range of injury and illness.   "The potential is quite endless," said Harry T. Whelan, MD, Medical College Bleser Professor of Neurology, Pediatrics and Hyperbaric Medicine. "I like to say that the history of medicine, since the beginning of time, has been poisons and knives. Drugs usually poison some enzyme system for the benefit of the patient. Think about the drugs you take: Digitalis is digitoxin; it's from the foxglove plant and it poisons your heart gently to help you with cardiac disease. Motrin and aspirin basically poison the prostaglandin system to decrease pain by poisoning the inflammatory cascade. Blood thinners basically poison the clotting system, and on and on and on.   "So all these drugs that we take are
 poisons carefully dosed to help the patient. And then, of course, knives. That's surgery, in which you have to cut the patient in order to cure. In this particular strategy, what we're trying to do is use the energy of certain specific wavelengths of light, which are carefully studied in our research lab, to determine those that will enhance the cells' normal biochemistry instead of poisoning something that is supposed to occur or cutting at it. I consider that a paradigm shift in the entire approach to medicine that has the potential, therefore, to alter all kinds of disease processes, particularly any in which there's an energy crisis for the tissue."   Light emitting diodes - commonly used for clock displays and in many other electronic devices - produce near-infrared light, a form of energy just outside the visible range. Cells exposed to LED light in this range have been found to grow 150% to 200% faster than cells not given and LED "bath" because, in simple
 terms, the light arrays speed up the healing process by increasing energy inside the cells.   Relief for Young Cancer PatientsMuch of the research into the use of LEDs in medicine has spun off from projects funded by the Defense Department and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). For example, when LEDs worked well in providing light to grow plants on the Space Station, researchers found that the diodes also showed promise in many medical applications.   NASA then funded Medical College research and clinical trials using LEDs to treat cancer patients following bone marrow transplants. Mucositis, a very painful side effect of cancer treatment, produces throat and mouth ulcerations and gastrointestinal problems so severe that health suffers as chewing and swallowing food and drink become difficult or even impossible. In the first trial at Children's Hospital of Wisconsin, LED treatment proved so successful in treating mucositis in the
 young patients that another round of trials has been funded.   "We have now at Children's Hospital essentially prevented mucositis since we've been treating these patients once a day for eighty seconds with our handheld light emitting diode arrays," said Dr. Whelan. "Now we have the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) in collaboration with us performing a multi-center trial throughout the United States and several foreign countries. If we can replicate the results in other centers and reproduce that same data, which we have published, that will become the standard of care. I contacted the FDA when we had achieved these results, because it was pretty dramatic and we were actually surprised by how well it worked. We're already well into the multi-center trial and we anticipate being done in five years.   "If a patient has cancer and you treat with the (current) standards, which are surgery, radiation and chemotherapy, in some case you can cure the patient with
 standard treatment, which is great. Then there will be those who have recurrences and you escalate into more and more aggressive experimental therapies to try to save their life. Eventually, if you can kill the cancer no other way, you give a lethal dose of chemotherapy and radiation to kill the tumor.   "But then, so you don't kill the patient, you rescue them by giving them a bone