Re: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
Jason!
I'm not fat.
-Weaver
Jason Katie wrote:
the truest and best answer to any TEOTWAWKI situation in america is to start
farms that grow fruits, wildgrasses, vegetables, oil crops, sugar crops,
meat animals, and trees...oh wait WE CANT, that takes work and most fat lazy
americans wont want to be inconvenienced by some dirty work. (this is
assuming america sticks its nose ito something that gets us our neck
snapped, and considering our track record of late i wouldnt be surprised.)
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: doug swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:14 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US
could be going bankrupt
I agree that in tight times, basic or even primitive skills are more
valuable than gold. Basics in Agriculture, animal husbandry, health
maintenance, knowing how to preserve food without supplies you'd have to
get at a grocer's store, blacksmithing, wood working, etc. are all
skills that should be present in what I see as being a new birth of
communities which will establish themselves once TEOTWAWKI happens.
Energy systems can be a large part of this, since my wood heater
currently relies on a chainsaw to supply fuel, and my biodiesel relies
on restaurant wastes and petro-derived methanol, and industry produced
hydroxides, I still don't feel that my current situation is
sustainable. Solar makes a lot of sense in my location, and I've been
working in that direction, but with a twist. The 10' parabolic
collector can collect a lot of heat, and rather than convert it
immediately to electricity, which I'd then have to store in some sort of
battery (with all the problems that batteries come with, ie. disposal
when they don't work anymore, and then having to acquire new ones..., )
it makes better sense to store the heat from the collector in 55 gallon
drums of water, which can actually make up the rear greenhouse wall...
I've been studying Stirling engines for some time now, guess I've read
everything that Google can show me about them, crammed all the ideas
into my head, noted the major disadvantages of most of them, (They've
got to be airtight, precision power piston, most aren't self-starting,
etc...) and have come up with a design that addresses these problems,
and eliminates them by integrating much of the engine into 3 moving
parts. Heat goes in, electricity comes out. I really would like to
build the prototype, but can't afford a machine shop to make a couple of
its parts. Maybe someone on this list has the right tools to make the
parts, and would like to see more detailed plans on this. Eventually,
when a working prototype is producing electricity, the plans with step
by step guidance will be under the open information license The point
of the whole system is that wherever possible, the parts should be stuff
that can be found at the junkyard, and that when completed, a home power
generation system is running for under 3-400 bucks. Adding another
collector just for home heat would be even simpler, under floor heat
circulation would increase the cost due to plumbing, thermostat control,
etc., but if the hot water was just circulated through a radiator
(junkyard again) with a fan behind it, the home could be comfortable
without huge expense.
The efficiency of a Stirling engine makes it a potential candidate for a
hybrid vehicle, and I've been working on something along that line also,
but first things first...
Any ideas are welcome, anything I can do to help pull us out of the mess
this planet is in, I will do.
doug swanson
Jason Katie wrote:
you dont need money if you can supply a need. i know more than just fuel,
i
can build just about anything a person would have as a daily need. house,
furniture, small macines, engine repair, anyone with a skill is pretty
well
safe. it is the people who have never had to work a day in their life
(CEO's
and politicians) that are screwed.
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
Um, it's not really they it's us too...
Jason Katie wrote:
good. its about time. if i were to spend money like that, and then
piddle away my savings and retirement, i would have been bankrupt 2 or
3 times in the last year, so why should they get away with it?
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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*From:* Kirk McLoren mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2006 6:04 PM
*Subject:* [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going
bankrupt
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/14/cnusa14.xml
US
Re: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
Hey Doug,
I have some small machine equipment and some reasonable priced
machine shops in my area, If I can't make it I'm sure I can have it made. I
am interested in stirling engines for the exact same use. If the plans look
good to me I might be willing to build a prototype at my expense and will
gladly let you know how it works or possibly ship it for your testing.
Everyone Else,
http://www.lindsaybks.com/
This Site Has some great books at really good prices, I highly
recommend the Dave Gingery Series. It includes Sand Casting, Making a Metal
Shaper, Lathe, Milling machine, Drill Press, Accessories, and Sheet Metal
Brake from scrap. The plans can be size up easily and everything can be done
really low budget. There is also many other books, all the ones I've gotten
have been on metal working. Right now I'm working on a furnace that will
hold 75lbs of molten aluminum, and turn around the spot. From one of the
local machine shops I have a supply of about 400lbs of alum turnings a month
all I have to do is go pick them up. They use only 6061 and have one machine
that turns out the same part 8 hours a day 7 days a week. So it's a good
clean source for strong castings.
Logan Vilas
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Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:14 PM
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US
could be going bankrupt
I agree that in tight times, basic or even primitive skills are more
valuable than gold. Basics in Agriculture, animal husbandry, health
maintenance, knowing how to preserve food without supplies you'd have to
get at a grocer's store, blacksmithing, wood working, etc. are all
skills that should be present in what I see as being a new birth of
communities which will establish themselves once TEOTWAWKI happens.
Energy systems can be a large part of this, since my wood heater
currently relies on a chainsaw to supply fuel, and my biodiesel relies
on restaurant wastes and petro-derived methanol, and industry produced
hydroxides, I still don't feel that my current situation is
sustainable. Solar makes a lot of sense in my location, and I've been
working in that direction, but with a twist. The 10' parabolic
collector can collect a lot of heat, and rather than convert it
immediately to electricity, which I'd then have to store in some sort of
battery (with all the problems that batteries come with, ie. disposal
when they don't work anymore, and then having to acquire new ones..., )
it makes better sense to store the heat from the collector in 55 gallon
drums of water, which can actually make up the rear greenhouse wall...
I've been studying Stirling engines for some time now, guess I've read
everything that Google can show me about them, crammed all the ideas
into my head, noted the major disadvantages of most of them, (They've
got to be airtight, precision power piston, most aren't self-starting,
etc...) and have come up with a design that addresses these problems,
and eliminates them by integrating much of the engine into 3 moving
parts. Heat goes in, electricity comes out. I really would like to
build the prototype, but can't afford a machine shop to make a couple of
its parts. Maybe someone on this list has the right tools to make the
parts, and would like to see more detailed plans on this. Eventually,
when a working prototype is producing electricity, the plans with step
by step guidance will be under the open information license The point
of the whole system is that wherever possible, the parts should be stuff
that can be found at the junkyard, and that when completed, a home power
generation system is running for under 3-400 bucks. Adding another
collector just for home heat would be even simpler, under floor heat
circulation would increase the cost due to plumbing, thermostat control,
etc., but if the hot water was just circulated through a radiator
(junkyard again) with a fan behind it, the home could be comfortable
without huge expense.
The efficiency of a Stirling engine makes it a potential candidate for a
hybrid vehicle, and I've been working on something along that line also,
but first things first...
Any ideas are welcome, anything I can do to help pull us out of the mess
this planet is in, I will do.
doug swanson
Jason Katie wrote:
you dont need money if you can supply a need. i know more than just fuel, i
can build just about anything a person would have as a daily need. house,
furniture, small macines, engine repair, anyone with a skill is pretty well
safe. it is the people who have never had to work a day in their life
(CEO's
and politicians) that are screwed.
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
is that a no contest plea?
Jason
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From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph -
US could be going bankrupt
Jason!
I'm not fat.
-Weaver
Jason Katie wrote:
the truest and best answer to any TEOTWAWKI situation in america is to
start
farms that grow fruits, wildgrasses, vegetables, oil crops, sugar crops,
meat animals, and trees...oh wait WE CANT, that takes work and most fat
lazy
americans wont want to be inconvenienced by some dirty work. (this is
assuming america sticks its nose ito something that gets us our neck
snapped, and considering our track record of late i wouldnt be surprised.)
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: doug swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:14 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US
could be going bankrupt
I agree that in tight times, basic or even primitive skills are more
valuable than gold. Basics in Agriculture, animal husbandry, health
maintenance, knowing how to preserve food without supplies you'd have to
get at a grocer's store, blacksmithing, wood working, etc. are all
skills that should be present in what I see as being a new birth of
communities which will establish themselves once TEOTWAWKI happens.
Energy systems can be a large part of this, since my wood heater
currently relies on a chainsaw to supply fuel, and my biodiesel relies
on restaurant wastes and petro-derived methanol, and industry produced
hydroxides, I still don't feel that my current situation is
sustainable. Solar makes a lot of sense in my location, and I've been
working in that direction, but with a twist. The 10' parabolic
collector can collect a lot of heat, and rather than convert it
immediately to electricity, which I'd then have to store in some sort of
battery (with all the problems that batteries come with, ie. disposal
when they don't work anymore, and then having to acquire new ones..., )
it makes better sense to store the heat from the collector in 55 gallon
drums of water, which can actually make up the rear greenhouse wall...
I've been studying Stirling engines for some time now, guess I've read
everything that Google can show me about them, crammed all the ideas
into my head, noted the major disadvantages of most of them, (They've
got to be airtight, precision power piston, most aren't self-starting,
etc...) and have come up with a design that addresses these problems,
and eliminates them by integrating much of the engine into 3 moving
parts. Heat goes in, electricity comes out. I really would like to
build the prototype, but can't afford a machine shop to make a couple of
its parts. Maybe someone on this list has the right tools to make the
parts, and would like to see more detailed plans on this. Eventually,
when a working prototype is producing electricity, the plans with step
by step guidance will be under the open information license The point
of the whole system is that wherever possible, the parts should be stuff
that can be found at the junkyard, and that when completed, a home power
generation system is running for under 3-400 bucks. Adding another
collector just for home heat would be even simpler, under floor heat
circulation would increase the cost due to plumbing, thermostat control,
etc., but if the hot water was just circulated through a radiator
(junkyard again) with a fan behind it, the home could be comfortable
without huge expense.
The efficiency of a Stirling engine makes it a potential candidate for a
hybrid vehicle, and I've been working on something along that line also,
but first things first...
Any ideas are welcome, anything I can do to help pull us out of the mess
this planet is in, I will do.
doug swanson
Jason Katie wrote:
you dont need money if you can supply a need. i know more than just
fuel,
i
can build just about anything a person would have as a daily need.
house,
furniture, small macines, engine repair, anyone with a skill is pretty
well
safe. it is the people who have never had to work a day in their life
(CEO's
and politicians) that are screwed.
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going
bankrupt
Um, it's not really they it's us too...
Jason Katie wrote:
good. its about time. if i were to spend money like that, and then
piddle away my savings and retirement, i would have been bankrupt 2 or
3 times in the last year, so why should they get away with it?
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
*From
[Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
I agree that in tight times, basic or even primitive skills are more
valuable than gold. Basics in Agriculture, animal husbandry, health
maintenance, knowing how to preserve food without supplies you'd have to
get at a grocer's store, blacksmithing, wood working, etc. are all
skills that should be present in what I see as being a new birth of
communities which will establish themselves once TEOTWAWKI happens.
Energy systems can be a large part of this, since my wood heater
currently relies on a chainsaw to supply fuel, and my biodiesel relies
on restaurant wastes and petro-derived methanol, and industry produced
hydroxides, I still don't feel that my current situation is
sustainable. Solar makes a lot of sense in my location, and I've been
working in that direction, but with a twist. The 10' parabolic
collector can collect a lot of heat, and rather than convert it
immediately to electricity, which I'd then have to store in some sort of
battery (with all the problems that batteries come with, ie. disposal
when they don't work anymore, and then having to acquire new ones..., )
it makes better sense to store the heat from the collector in 55 gallon
drums of water, which can actually make up the rear greenhouse wall...
I've been studying Stirling engines for some time now, guess I've read
everything that Google can show me about them, crammed all the ideas
into my head, noted the major disadvantages of most of them, (They've
got to be airtight, precision power piston, most aren't self-starting,
etc...) and have come up with a design that addresses these problems,
and eliminates them by integrating much of the engine into 3 moving
parts. Heat goes in, electricity comes out. I really would like to
build the prototype, but can't afford a machine shop to make a couple of
its parts. Maybe someone on this list has the right tools to make the
parts, and would like to see more detailed plans on this. Eventually,
when a working prototype is producing electricity, the plans with step
by step guidance will be under the open information license The point
of the whole system is that wherever possible, the parts should be stuff
that can be found at the junkyard, and that when completed, a home power
generation system is running for under 3-400 bucks. Adding another
collector just for home heat would be even simpler, under floor heat
circulation would increase the cost due to plumbing, thermostat control,
etc., but if the hot water was just circulated through a radiator
(junkyard again) with a fan behind it, the home could be comfortable
without huge expense.
The efficiency of a Stirling engine makes it a potential candidate for a
hybrid vehicle, and I've been working on something along that line also,
but first things first...
Any ideas are welcome, anything I can do to help pull us out of the mess
this planet is in, I will do.
doug swanson
Jason Katie wrote:
you dont need money if you can supply a need. i know more than just fuel, i
can build just about anything a person would have as a daily need. house,
furniture, small macines, engine repair, anyone with a skill is pretty well
safe. it is the people who have never had to work a day in their life (CEO's
and politicians) that are screwed.
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
Um, it's not really they it's us too...
Jason Katie wrote:
good. its about time. if i were to spend money like that, and then
piddle away my savings and retirement, i would have been bankrupt 2 or
3 times in the last year, so why should they get away with it?
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
*From:* Kirk McLoren mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2006 6:04 PM
*Subject:* [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going
bankrupt
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/14/cnusa14.xml
US 'could be going bankrupt'
By Edmund Conway, Economics Editor
(Filed: 14/07/2006)
The United States is heading for bankruptcy, according to an
extraordinary paper published by one of the key members of the
country's central bank.
A ballooning budget deficit and a pensions and welfare timebomb
could send! the economic superpower into insolvency, according to
research by Professor Laurence Kotlikoff for the Federal Reserve
Bank of St Louis, a leading constituent of the US Federal Reserve.
Prof Kotlikoff said that, by some measures, the US is already
bankrupt. To paraphrase the Oxford English Dictionary, is the
United States at the end of its resources, exhausted, stripped
bare, destitute, bereft,
Re: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
Excuse me Doug but could you let me know what
TEOTWAWKI
is and what happens when it happens?
I feel perfectly ignorant,
Jim
doug swanson wrote:
I agree that in tight times, basic or even primitive skills are more
valuable than gold. Basics in Agriculture, animal husbandry, health
maintenance, knowing how to preserve food without supplies you'd have to
get at a grocer's store, blacksmithing, wood working, etc. are all
skills that should be present in what I see as being a new birth of
communities which will establish themselves once TEOTWAWKI happens.
Energy systems can be a large part of this, since my wood heater
currently relies on a chainsaw to supply fuel, and my biodiesel relies
on restaurant wastes and petro-derived methanol, and industry produced
hydroxides, I still don't feel that my current situation is
sustainable. Solar makes a lot of sense in my location, and I've been
working in that direction, but with a twist. The 10' parabolic
collector can collect a lot of heat, and rather than convert it
immediately to electricity, which I'd then have to store in some sort of
battery (with all the problems that batteries come with, ie. disposal
when they don't work anymore, and then having to acquire new ones..., )
it makes better sense to store the heat from the collector in 55 gallon
drums of water, which can actually make up the rear greenhouse wall...
I've been studying Stirling engines for some time now, guess I've read
everything that Google can show me about them, crammed all the ideas
into my head, noted the major disadvantages of most of them, (They've
got to be airtight, precision power piston, most aren't self-starting,
etc...) and have come up with a design that addresses these problems,
and eliminates them by integrating much of the engine into 3 moving
parts. Heat goes in, electricity comes out. I really would like to
build the prototype, but can't afford a machine shop to make a couple of
its parts. Maybe someone on this list has the right tools to make the
parts, and would like to see more detailed plans on this. Eventually,
when a working prototype is producing electricity, the plans with step
by step guidance will be under the open information license The point
of the whole system is that wherever possible, the parts should be stuff
that can be found at the junkyard, and that when completed, a home power
generation system is running for under 3-400 bucks. Adding another
collector just for home heat would be even simpler, under floor heat
circulation would increase the cost due to plumbing, thermostat control,
etc., but if the hot water was just circulated through a radiator
(junkyard again) with a fan behind it, the home could be comfortable
without huge expense.
The efficiency of a Stirling engine makes it a potential candidate for a
hybrid vehicle, and I've been working on something along that line also,
but first things first...
Any ideas are welcome, anything I can do to help pull us out of the mess
this planet is in, I will do.
doug swanson
Jason Katie wrote:
you dont need money if you can supply a need. i know more than just fuel, i
can build just about anything a person would have as a daily need. house,
furniture, small macines, engine repair, anyone with a skill is pretty well
safe. it is the people who have never had to work a day in their life (CEO's
and politicians) that are screwed.
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
Um, it's not really they it's us too...
Jason Katie wrote:
good. its about time. if i were to spend money like that, and then
piddle away my savings and retirement, i would have been bankrupt 2 or
3 times in the last year, so why should they get away with it?
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
*From:* Kirk McLoren mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2006 6:04 PM
*Subject:* [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going
bankrupt
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/14/cnusa14.xml
US 'could be going bankrupt'
By Edmund Conway, Economics Editor
(Filed: 14/07/2006)
The United States is heading for bankruptcy, according to an
extraordinary paper published by one of the key members of the
country's central bank.
A ballooning budget deficit and a pensions and welfare timebomb
could send! the economic superpower into insolvency, according to
research by Professor Laurence Kotlikoff for the Federal Reserve
Bank of St Louis, a leading constituent of the US Federal Reserve.
Prof Kotlikoff said that, by some measures, the US is already
bankrupt.
Re: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
The acronym stands for the end of the world as we know it
doug
JJJN wrote:
Excuse me Doug but could you let me know what
TEOTWAWKI
is and what happens when it happens?
I feel perfectly ignorant,
Jim
doug swanson wrote:
I agree that in tight times, basic or even primitive skills are more
valuable than gold. Basics in Agriculture, animal husbandry, health
maintenance, knowing how to preserve food without supplies you'd have to
get at a grocer's store, blacksmithing, wood working, etc. are all
skills that should be present in what I see as being a new birth of
communities which will establish themselves once TEOTWAWKI happens.
Energy systems can be a large part of this, since my wood heater
currently relies on a chainsaw to supply fuel, and my biodiesel relies
on restaurant wastes and petro-derived methanol, and industry produced
hydroxides, I still don't feel that my current situation is
sustainable. Solar makes a lot of sense in my location, and I've been
working in that direction, but with a twist. The 10' parabolic
collector can collect a lot of heat, and rather than convert it
immediately to electricity, which I'd then have to store in some sort of
battery (with all the problems that batteries come with, ie. disposal
when they don't work anymore, and then having to acquire new ones..., )
it makes better sense to store the heat from the collector in 55 gallon
drums of water, which can actually make up the rear greenhouse wall...
I've been studying Stirling engines for some time now, guess I've read
everything that Google can show me about them, crammed all the ideas
into my head, noted the major disadvantages of most of them, (They've
got to be airtight, precision power piston, most aren't self-starting,
etc...) and have come up with a design that addresses these problems,
and eliminates them by integrating much of the engine into 3 moving
parts. Heat goes in, electricity comes out. I really would like to
build the prototype, but can't afford a machine shop to make a couple of
its parts. Maybe someone on this list has the right tools to make the
parts, and would like to see more detailed plans on this. Eventually,
when a working prototype is producing electricity, the plans with step
by step guidance will be under the open information license The point
of the whole system is that wherever possible, the parts should be stuff
that can be found at the junkyard, and that when completed, a home power
generation system is running for under 3-400 bucks. Adding another
collector just for home heat would be even simpler, under floor heat
circulation would increase the cost due to plumbing, thermostat control,
etc., but if the hot water was just circulated through a radiator
(junkyard again) with a fan behind it, the home could be comfortable
without huge expense.
The efficiency of a Stirling engine makes it a potential candidate for a
hybrid vehicle, and I've been working on something along that line also,
but first things first...
Any ideas are welcome, anything I can do to help pull us out of the mess
this planet is in, I will do.
doug swanson
Jason Katie wrote:
you dont need money if you can supply a need. i know more than just fuel, i
can build just about anything a person would have as a daily need. house,
furniture, small macines, engine repair, anyone with a skill is pretty well
safe. it is the people who have never had to work a day in their life (CEO's
and politicians) that are screwed.
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
Um, it's not really they it's us too...
Jason Katie wrote:
good. its about time. if i were to spend money like that, and then
piddle away my savings and retirement, i would have been bankrupt 2 or
3 times in the last year, so why should they get away with it?
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
*From:* Kirk McLoren mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2006 6:04 PM
*Subject:* [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going
bankrupt
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/14/cnusa14.xml
US 'could be going bankrupt'
By Edmund Conway, Economics Editor
(Filed: 14/07/2006)
The United States is heading for bankruptcy, according to an
extraordinary paper published by one of the key members of the
country's central bank.
A ballooning budget deficit and a pensions and welfare timebomb
could send! the economic superpower into insolvency, according to
research by Professor Laurence Kotlikoff for the Federal Reserve
Bank of St Louis, a leading constituent of the US Federal
Re: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
Oh,
That happened almost 6 years ago right?
Ironic Florida should be one of the first states under water.
Ok thanks,excuse my folly and ignorance, carry on.
Jim
doug swanson wrote:
The acronym stands for the end of the world as we know it
doug
JJJN wrote:
Excuse me Doug but could you let me know what
TEOTWAWKI
is and what happens when it happens?
I feel perfectly ignorant,
Jim
doug swanson wrote:
I agree that in tight times, basic or even primitive skills are more
valuable than gold. Basics in Agriculture, animal husbandry, health
maintenance, knowing how to preserve food without supplies you'd have to
get at a grocer's store, blacksmithing, wood working, etc. are all
skills that should be present in what I see as being a new birth of
communities which will establish themselves once TEOTWAWKI happens.
Energy systems can be a large part of this, since my wood heater
currently relies on a chainsaw to supply fuel, and my biodiesel relies
on restaurant wastes and petro-derived methanol, and industry produced
hydroxides, I still don't feel that my current situation is
sustainable. Solar makes a lot of sense in my location, and I've been
working in that direction, but with a twist. The 10' parabolic
collector can collect a lot of heat, and rather than convert it
immediately to electricity, which I'd then have to store in some sort of
battery (with all the problems that batteries come with, ie. disposal
when they don't work anymore, and then having to acquire new ones..., )
it makes better sense to store the heat from the collector in 55 gallon
drums of water, which can actually make up the rear greenhouse wall...
I've been studying Stirling engines for some time now, guess I've read
everything that Google can show me about them, crammed all the ideas
into my head, noted the major disadvantages of most of them, (They've
got to be airtight, precision power piston, most aren't self-starting,
etc...) and have come up with a design that addresses these problems,
and eliminates them by integrating much of the engine into 3 moving
parts. Heat goes in, electricity comes out. I really would like to
build the prototype, but can't afford a machine shop to make a couple of
its parts. Maybe someone on this list has the right tools to make the
parts, and would like to see more detailed plans on this. Eventually,
when a working prototype is producing electricity, the plans with step
by step guidance will be under the open information license The point
of the whole system is that wherever possible, the parts should be stuff
that can be found at the junkyard, and that when completed, a home power
generation system is running for under 3-400 bucks. Adding another
collector just for home heat would be even simpler, under floor heat
circulation would increase the cost due to plumbing, thermostat control,
etc., but if the hot water was just circulated through a radiator
(junkyard again) with a fan behind it, the home could be comfortable
without huge expense.
The efficiency of a Stirling engine makes it a potential candidate for a
hybrid vehicle, and I've been working on something along that line also,
but first things first...
Any ideas are welcome, anything I can do to help pull us out of the mess
this planet is in, I will do.
doug swanson
Jason Katie wrote:
you dont need money if you can supply a need. i know more than just fuel, i
can build just about anything a person would have as a daily need. house,
furniture, small macines, engine repair, anyone with a skill is pretty well
safe. it is the people who have never had to work a day in their life
(CEO's
and politicians) that are screwed.
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
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- Original Message -
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
Um, it's not really they it's us too...
Jason Katie wrote:
good. its about time. if i were to spend money like that, and then
piddle away my savings and retirement, i would have been bankrupt 2 or
3 times in the last year, so why should they get away with it?
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
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- Original Message -
*From:* Kirk McLoren mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2006 6:04 PM
*Subject:* [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going
bankrupt
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/14/cnusa14.xml
US 'could be going bankrupt'
By Edmund Conway, Economics Editor
(Filed: 14/07/2006)
The United States is heading for bankruptcy, according to an
extraordinary paper published by one of the key members of the
country's central bank.
A ballooning budget deficit and a pensions and welfare
Re: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
It happens every morning of every day in my life... as far back as I
can remember. As world events accelerate, it's more like every minute
of every day in my life.
it gives me something new every day to learn, and to adapt to.
doug
JJJN wrote:
Oh,
That happened almost 6 years ago right?
Ironic Florida should be one of the first states under water.
Ok thanks,excuse my folly and ignorance, carry on.
Jim
doug swanson wrote:
The acronym stands for the end of the world as we know it
doug
JJJN wrote:
Excuse me Doug but could you let me know what
TEOTWAWKI
is and what happens when it happens?
I feel perfectly ignorant,
Jim
doug swanson wrote:
I agree that in tight times, basic or even primitive skills are more
valuable than gold. Basics in Agriculture, animal husbandry, health
maintenance, knowing how to preserve food without supplies you'd have to
get at a grocer's store, blacksmithing, wood working, etc. are all
skills that should be present in what I see as being a new birth of
communities which will establish themselves once TEOTWAWKI happens.
Energy systems can be a large part of this, since my wood heater
currently relies on a chainsaw to supply fuel, and my biodiesel relies
on restaurant wastes and petro-derived methanol, and industry produced
hydroxides, I still don't feel that my current situation is
sustainable. Solar makes a lot of sense in my location, and I've been
working in that direction, but with a twist. The 10' parabolic
collector can collect a lot of heat, and rather than convert it
immediately to electricity, which I'd then have to store in some sort of
battery (with all the problems that batteries come with, ie. disposal
when they don't work anymore, and then having to acquire new ones..., )
it makes better sense to store the heat from the collector in 55 gallon
drums of water, which can actually make up the rear greenhouse wall...
I've been studying Stirling engines for some time now, guess I've read
everything that Google can show me about them, crammed all the ideas
into my head, noted the major disadvantages of most of them, (They've
got to be airtight, precision power piston, most aren't self-starting,
etc...) and have come up with a design that addresses these problems,
and eliminates them by integrating much of the engine into 3 moving
parts. Heat goes in, electricity comes out. I really would like to
build the prototype, but can't afford a machine shop to make a couple of
its parts. Maybe someone on this list has the right tools to make the
parts, and would like to see more detailed plans on this. Eventually,
when a working prototype is producing electricity, the plans with step
by step guidance will be under the open information license The point
of the whole system is that wherever possible, the parts should be stuff
that can be found at the junkyard, and that when completed, a home power
generation system is running for under 3-400 bucks. Adding another
collector just for home heat would be even simpler, under floor heat
circulation would increase the cost due to plumbing, thermostat control,
etc., but if the hot water was just circulated through a radiator
(junkyard again) with a fan behind it, the home could be comfortable
without huge expense.
The efficiency of a Stirling engine makes it a potential candidate for a
hybrid vehicle, and I've been working on something along that line also,
but first things first...
Any ideas are welcome, anything I can do to help pull us out of the mess
this planet is in, I will do.
doug swanson
Jason Katie wrote:
you dont need money if you can supply a need. i know more than just fuel,
i
can build just about anything a person would have as a daily need. house,
furniture, small macines, engine repair, anyone with a skill is pretty
well
safe. it is the people who have never had to work a day in their life
(CEO's
and politicians) that are screwed.
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
Um, it's not really they it's us too...
Jason Katie wrote:
good. its about time. if i were to spend money like that, and then
piddle away my savings and retirement, i would have been bankrupt 2 or
3 times in the last year, so why should they get away with it?
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
*From:* Kirk McLoren mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2006 6:04 PM
*Subject:* [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going
bankrupt
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/14/cnusa14.xml
US
Re: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
the truest and best answer to any TEOTWAWKI situation in america is to start
farms that grow fruits, wildgrasses, vegetables, oil crops, sugar crops,
meat animals, and trees...oh wait WE CANT, that takes work and most fat lazy
americans wont want to be inconvenienced by some dirty work. (this is
assuming america sticks its nose ito something that gets us our neck
snapped, and considering our track record of late i wouldnt be surprised.)
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: doug swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:14 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US
could be going bankrupt
I agree that in tight times, basic or even primitive skills are more
valuable than gold. Basics in Agriculture, animal husbandry, health
maintenance, knowing how to preserve food without supplies you'd have to
get at a grocer's store, blacksmithing, wood working, etc. are all
skills that should be present in what I see as being a new birth of
communities which will establish themselves once TEOTWAWKI happens.
Energy systems can be a large part of this, since my wood heater
currently relies on a chainsaw to supply fuel, and my biodiesel relies
on restaurant wastes and petro-derived methanol, and industry produced
hydroxides, I still don't feel that my current situation is
sustainable. Solar makes a lot of sense in my location, and I've been
working in that direction, but with a twist. The 10' parabolic
collector can collect a lot of heat, and rather than convert it
immediately to electricity, which I'd then have to store in some sort of
battery (with all the problems that batteries come with, ie. disposal
when they don't work anymore, and then having to acquire new ones..., )
it makes better sense to store the heat from the collector in 55 gallon
drums of water, which can actually make up the rear greenhouse wall...
I've been studying Stirling engines for some time now, guess I've read
everything that Google can show me about them, crammed all the ideas
into my head, noted the major disadvantages of most of them, (They've
got to be airtight, precision power piston, most aren't self-starting,
etc...) and have come up with a design that addresses these problems,
and eliminates them by integrating much of the engine into 3 moving
parts. Heat goes in, electricity comes out. I really would like to
build the prototype, but can't afford a machine shop to make a couple of
its parts. Maybe someone on this list has the right tools to make the
parts, and would like to see more detailed plans on this. Eventually,
when a working prototype is producing electricity, the plans with step
by step guidance will be under the open information license The point
of the whole system is that wherever possible, the parts should be stuff
that can be found at the junkyard, and that when completed, a home power
generation system is running for under 3-400 bucks. Adding another
collector just for home heat would be even simpler, under floor heat
circulation would increase the cost due to plumbing, thermostat control,
etc., but if the hot water was just circulated through a radiator
(junkyard again) with a fan behind it, the home could be comfortable
without huge expense.
The efficiency of a Stirling engine makes it a potential candidate for a
hybrid vehicle, and I've been working on something along that line also,
but first things first...
Any ideas are welcome, anything I can do to help pull us out of the mess
this planet is in, I will do.
doug swanson
Jason Katie wrote:
you dont need money if you can supply a need. i know more than just fuel,
i
can build just about anything a person would have as a daily need. house,
furniture, small macines, engine repair, anyone with a skill is pretty
well
safe. it is the people who have never had to work a day in their life
(CEO's
and politicians) that are screwed.
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt
Um, it's not really they it's us too...
Jason Katie wrote:
good. its about time. if i were to spend money like that, and then
piddle away my savings and retirement, i would have been bankrupt 2 or
3 times in the last year, so why should they get away with it?
Jason
ICQ#: 154998177
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
*From:* Kirk McLoren mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2006 6:04 PM
*Subject:* [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going
bankrupt
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/14/cnusa14.xml
US 'could be going bankrupt
