is that a "no contest" plea? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US "could be going bankrupt"
> Jason! > > I'm not fat. > > -Weaver > > Jason& Katie wrote: > >>the truest and best answer to any TEOTWAWKI situation in america is to >>start >>farms that grow fruits, wildgrasses, vegetables, oil crops, sugar crops, >>meat animals, and trees...oh wait WE CANT, that takes work and most fat >>lazy >>americans wont want to be inconvenienced by some dirty work. (this is >>assuming america sticks its nose ito something that gets us our neck >>snapped, and considering our track record of late i wouldnt be surprised.) >>Jason >>ICQ#: 154998177 >>MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "doug swanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:14 PM >>Subject: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US >>"could be going bankrupt" >> >> >> >> >>>I agree that in tight times, basic or even primitive skills are more >>>valuable than gold. Basics in Agriculture, animal husbandry, health >>>maintenance, knowing how to preserve food without supplies you'd have to >>>get at a grocer's store, blacksmithing, wood working, etc. are all >>>skills that should be present in what I see as being a new birth of >>>communities which will establish themselves once TEOTWAWKI happens. >>> >>>Energy systems can be a large part of this, since my wood heater >>>currently relies on a chainsaw to supply fuel, and my biodiesel relies >>>on restaurant "wastes" and petro-derived methanol, and industry produced >>>hydroxides, I still don't feel that my current situation is >>>sustainable. Solar makes a lot of sense in my location, and I've been >>>working in that direction, but with a twist. The 10' parabolic >>>collector can collect a lot of heat, and rather than convert it >>>immediately to electricity, which I'd then have to store in some sort of >>>battery (with all the problems that batteries come with, ie. disposal >>>when they don't work anymore, and then having to acquire new ones..., ) >>>it makes better sense to store the heat from the collector in 55 gallon >>>drums of water, which can actually make up the rear greenhouse wall... >>> >>>I've been studying Stirling engines for some time now, guess I've read >>>everything that Google can show me about them, crammed all the ideas >>>into my head, noted the major disadvantages of most of them, (They've >>>got to be airtight, precision power piston, most aren't self-starting, >>>etc...) and have come up with a design that addresses these problems, >>>and eliminates them by integrating much of the engine into 3 moving >>>parts. Heat goes in, electricity comes out. I really would like to >>>build the prototype, but can't afford a machine shop to make a couple of >>>its parts. Maybe someone on this list has the right tools to make the >>>parts, and would like to see more detailed plans on this. Eventually, >>>when a working prototype is producing electricity, the plans with step >>>by step guidance will be under the "open information license" The point >>>of the whole system is that wherever possible, the parts should be stuff >>>that can be found at the junkyard, and that when completed, a home power >>>generation system is running for under 3-400 bucks. Adding another >>>collector just for home heat would be even simpler, under floor heat >>>circulation would increase the cost due to plumbing, thermostat control, >>>etc., but if the hot water was just circulated through a radiator >>>(junkyard again) with a fan behind it, the home could be comfortable >>>without huge expense. >>> >>>The efficiency of a Stirling engine makes it a potential candidate for a >>>hybrid vehicle, and I've been working on something along that line also, >>>but first things first... >>> >>>Any ideas are welcome, anything I can do to help pull us out of the mess >>>this planet is in, I will do. >>> >>>doug swanson >>> >>> >>> >>>Jason& Katie wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>you dont need money if you can supply a need. i know more than just >>>>fuel, >>>>i >>>>can build just about anything a person would have as a daily need. >>>>house, >>>>furniture, small macines, engine repair, anyone with a skill is pretty >>>>well >>>>safe. it is the people who have never had to work a day in their life >>>>(CEO's >>>>and politicians) that are screwed. >>>>Jason >>>>ICQ#: 154998177 >>>>MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>>>Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:01 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US "could be going >>>>bankrupt" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Um, it's not really "they" it's "us" too... >>>>> >>>>>Jason& Katie wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>good. its about time. if i were to spend money like that, and then >>>>>>piddle away my savings and retirement, i would have been bankrupt 2 or >>>>>>3 times in the last year, so why should they get away with it? >>>>>> >>>>>>Jason >>>>>>ICQ#: 154998177 >>>>>>MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> *From:* Kirk McLoren <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> *To:* biofuel <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2006 6:04 PM >>>>>> *Subject:* [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US "could be going >>>>>> bankrupt" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/14/cnusa14.xml >>>>>> >>>>>> US 'could be going bankrupt' >>>>>> By Edmund Conway, Economics Editor >>>>>> (Filed: 14/07/2006) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The United States is heading for bankruptcy, according to an >>>>>> extraordinary paper published by one of the key members of the >>>>>> country's central bank. >>>>>> A ballooning budget deficit and a pensions and welfare timebomb >>>>>> could send! the economic superpower into insolvency, according to >>>>>> research by Professor Laurence Kotlikoff for the Federal Reserve >>>>>> Bank of St Louis, a leading constituent of the US Federal Reserve. >>>>>> Prof Kotlikoff said that, by some measures, the US is already >>>>>> bankrupt. "To paraphrase the Oxford English Dictionary, is the >>>>>> United States at the end of its resources, exhausted, stripped >>>>>> bare, destitute, bereft, wanting in property, or wrecked in >>>>>> consequence of failure to pay its creditors," he asked. >>>>>> According to his central analysis, "the US government is, indeed, >>>>>> bankrupt, insofar as it will be unable to pay its creditors, who, >>>>>> in this context, are current and future generations to whom it has >>>>>> explicitly or implicitly promised future net payments of various >>>>>> kinds''. >>>>>> The budget deficit in the US is not massive. The Bush >>>>>> administration this week cut its forecasts for the fiscal >>>>>> shortfall this year by almost a third, saying it will come in at >>>>>> 2.3pc of gross domestic product. This is smaller than most >>>>>> European countries - including the UK - which have deficits north >>>>>> of 3pc of GDP. >>>>>> Prof Kotlikoff, who teaches at Boston University, says: "The >>>>>> proper way to consider a country's solvency is to examine the >>>>>> lifetime fiscal burdens facing current and future generations. If >>>>>> these burdens exceed the resources of those generations, get close >>>>>> to doing so, or simply get so high as to preclude their full >>>>>> collection, the country's policy will be unsustainable and can >>>>>> constitute or lead to national bankruptcy. >>>>>> "Does the United States fit this bill? No one knows for sure, but >>>>>> there are strong reasons to believe the United States may be going >>>>>> broke." >>>>>> Experts have calculated that the country's long-term "fiscal gap" >>>>>> between all future government spending and all future receipts >>>>>> will widen immensely as the Baby Boomer generation retires, and as >>>>>> the amount the state will have to spend on healthcare and pensions >>>>>> soars. The total fiscal gap could be an almost incomprehensible >>>>>> $65.9 trillion, according to a study by Professors Gokhale and >>>>>> Smetters. >>>>>> The figure is massive because President George W Bush has made >>>>>> major tax cuts in recent years, and because the bill for Medicare, >>>>>> which provides health insurance for the elderly, and Medicaid, >>>>>> which does likewise for the poor, will increase greatly due to >>>>>> demographics. >>>>>> Prof Kotlikoff said: "This figure is more than five times US GDP >>>>>> and almost twice the size of national wealth. One way to wrap >>>>>> one's head around $65.9trillion is to ask what fiscal adjustments >>>>>> are needed to eliminate this red hole. The answers are terrifying. >>>>>> One solution is an immediate and permanent doubling of personal >>>>>> and corporate income taxes. Another is an immediate and permanent >>>>>> two-thirds cut in Social Security and Medicare benefits. A third >>>>>> alternative, were it feasible, would be to immediately and >>>>>> permanently cut all federal discretionary spending by 143pc." >>>>>> The scenario has serious implications for the dollar. If investors >>>>>> lose confidence in the US's future, and suspect the country may at >>>>>> some point allow inflation to erode away its debts, they may >>>>>> reduce their holdings of US Treasury bonds. >>>>>> Prof Kotlikoff said: "The United States has experienced high rates >>>>>> of inflation in the past and appears to be running the same type >>>>>> of fiscal policies that engendered hyperinflations in 20 countries >>>>>> over the past century." >>>>>> Paul Ashworth, of Capital Economics, was more sanguine about the >>>>>> coming retirement of the Baby Boomer generation. "For a start, the >>>>>> expected deterioration in the Federal budget owes more to rising >>>>>> per capita spending on health care than to changing demographics," >>>>>> he said. >>>>>> "This can be contained if the political will is there. Similarly, >>>>>> the expected increase in social security spending can be >>>>>> controlled by reducing the growth rate of benefits. Expecting a >>>>>> fix now is probably asking too much of short-sighted politicians >>>>>> who have no incentives to do so. But a fix, or at least a >>>>>> succession of patches, will come when the problem becomes more >>>>>> pressing." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> Open multiple messages at once with the all new Yahoo! 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