Re: [Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor
I've been interested in the pantone reactor for a few years. A friend bought the plans from pantone, and when I saw them I thought htat it looked like this was mostly bull, the plans were so poor and incomplete. a few years back, a guy from France made a unit for a lawnmower and it worked! so he posted the info on the web, free of charge and others repeated the setup with success. Then one guy figured, lets try putting only water in the reactor and leave the carb intact, running normally. So no modifications to the engine, just an add on. The product of the reactor was introduced at the air intake and the result was that the motor ran cooler and burned cleaner, with increased power and a consumption that got better and better. Emission tests were done, showing a super clean burn. Since, many people have done the same, some with great results and some with only 10-15 % better consumption, but all of them got a very clean burn. A handkerchief on the exhaust stayed white, on old diesels that burned very poorly previously. The people doing this are mostly farmers, and they're showing others how to at fairs and such. So many have had success and documented their setup (more than one hundred) that I believe that it works. It also seems to function better on diesels than on gasoline. See the latest here: http://reaction.directe1.free.fr/Merco220D/merco.htm and the site where you find most of them: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/quanthommesuite/RealPMCPantone.htm and another: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/quanthommesuite/imagesreal05/fichespadapte.pdf These guys sell a unit: http://www.hypnow.fr/ All these sites are in French, but you can try the google translator. Lots of pics... And, when told about this, Pantone said this could not possibly work...lol Bernard ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor
Fritz Friesinger wrote: www.econologie.com and get more Info from there Website! Everything is in french maybe Frantz coul help a little with this Fritz Or you could install the Google tool bar for your browser or use babelfish http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/babelfish/tr Babelfish may be something Frantz may invesigate to see if it could aid in his project. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor
Hello all, i received lately a Video showing a Dieseldriven car with a modified engin! Apparentli this results in great fuelsavings beside very clean burning! I have some trouble to put the Video in the List,but you could go to www.econologie.com and get more Info from there Website! Everything is in french maybe Frantz coul help a little with this Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080502/c6d1d5fd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor
Fritz Friesinger wrote: Hello all, i received lately a Video showing a Dieseldriven car with a modified engin! Apparentli this results in great fuelsavings beside very clean burning! Well, that's the claim. The truth is something very different . . . I've talked to THIS guy at length: http://jeremiahsviolins.com/metro.html Skepticism of Paul Pantone is a GOOD thing! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor
If this is Paul Pantone hold on to your wallet. I met him in around 1998 with his GEET processor. He is a scam artist. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robert and benita Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:20 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor Fritz Friesinger wrote: Hello all, i received lately a Video showing a Dieseldriven car with a modified engin! Apparentli this results in great fuelsavings beside very clean burning! Well, that's the claim. The truth is something very different . . . I've talked to THIS guy at length: http://jeremiahsviolins.com/metro.html Skepticism of Paul Pantone is a GOOD thing! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor
Fritz Friesinger a écrit : Hello all, i received lately a Video showing a Dieseldriven car with a modified engin! Apparentli this results in great fuelsavings beside very clean burning! I have some trouble to put the Video in the List,but you could go to www.econologie.com and get more Info from there Website! Everything is in french maybe Frantz coul help a little with this Fritz Hi, If I can, it will be my pleasure, but I'm really busy and my english is so poor... I once said that I also would like to try a translation of Keith's site, like the spanish one. But It'd be a full time job ! So I'm waiting for my children grow or to be retired (or fired) ;-) Whatever, a couple of pages are not a full website, so tell me what I can do for you friendly yours frantz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor
Well the thing is,in this video a young french guy shoes a Renault Diesel modified by him to run on partly water! I dont have the knowledge to judge if there is anything good about it! The website looks like serios,thats where Frantz could give us a hand ! I would like to put the video in the List,Keith also give me some instructions how to due,but i am a double lefthand when it comes to handling a computer! I will send the video to Frantz maybe he could due better than me Thanks Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080502/878c584a/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor
. Such a setup would surely appeal to Pantone. After all he has gone through, whether at his own hands, those of the state or unnamed conspirators, he's had enough of his long struggle to bring his invention to the world, says Kirton, once a proselytizer for Pantone's theories. He just wants somebody to take the technology, run with it, pay him a stipend and let him be a thinker again. That prospect looks dim at the moment. On July 13, Assistant Attorney General Hamp asked Weiss and Heideman to approve the order requiring the Utah State Hospital to medicate Pantone. Once the judge signs the order, then the only recourse left is the Utah Court of Appeals. The inventor's support group recently paid Heideman out of their own pockets part of the $25,000 he needs to appeal the case. If he doesn't win the appeal, they're going to medicate him, Heideman says. For now Pantone resides, like Alice, on the other side of the looking glass, whiling away his days hoarding candy his supporters send him through Heideman, because it's the currency of barter at the hospital. While Pantone languishes in the mental hospital, his invention idles in its own limbo. Several investors claim ownership of the patent, but none seem to be doing anything with it. Preston, Idaho, realtor Robert Fackrell leased a facility to Pantone for one of his schools. Pantone ended up owing him back rent and signed over the patent to him, he says. What I have is worth nothing without an additional investment of $5 [million] to 10 million dollars, he says. What Fackrell then says sounds like a qualified refrain Pantone perhaps got sick of after so many years of trying to get the world to acknowledge his technology. It does appear to reduce emissions [and] extend run time on gasoline engines, but you have to stand there and control the air mixture. The controls on this are really difficult. Ask Fackrell what he proposes to do with the patent, and he cautions that if someone wanted to buy it from him, there were no guarantees it wasn't encumbered by other ownership claims. That said, if they still wanted it, all they had to do was get out the checkbook, and they can have it. For Pantone's younger brother Rocky, all the inventor has left from his 20-year struggle to turn his dreams of GEET into a reality is his mind. Whether he's competent or not, no one questions Pantone's intelligence. They're tearing his body to hell, Rocky says about the hospital's alleged lack of medical care. Eventually, what you get from that is rage. Heideman wonders how that rage will sit with Pantone when, and if, he exits the hospital's rabbit hole. One thing is certain, he says. He'll need anger-management classes when he gets out. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robert and benita Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:20 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor Fritz Friesinger wrote: Hello all, i received lately a Video showing a Dieseldriven car with a modified engin! Apparentli this results in great fuelsavings beside very clean burning! Well, that's the claim. The truth is something very different . . . I've talked to THIS guy at length: http://jeremiahsviolins.com/metro.html Skepticism of Paul Pantone is a GOOD thing! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor
While working for another scam-artist company we investigated his system. I took the 1 week course ($1000) and bought a 3-engine license to build his system. I saw the blue Suburban run, and witnessed his demo run on pickle juice, water, and (oh yes, some gasoline). Notes: I put my finger inside the exhaust pipe of the (gasoline) Blue Suburban and it was covered with soot. I came to believe that the operating principle (reality) was that he lowered the pressure in the fuel mix tank such that the gasoline vapors were able to provide fuel to the engine i.e.: the water did nothing but act as his smoke and mirrors, as it is said. We never were able to duplicate his system in our shop. I DID purchase 2 anodized aluminum plates that, when slipped into one's (back) pocket are supposed to relieve back pain (my souvenir of the trip). To this day my wife still swears by them and still wears both almost every day. I am sorry to see him suffering health problems - NO ONE deserves that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 2:12 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor If this is Paul Pantone hold on to your wallet. I met him in around 1998 with his GEET processor. He is a scam artist. http://www.slweekly.com/index.cfm?do=article.detailsid=FE7B10D0-1372-FCBB-8 3E8C5C66C046345 Salt Lake City Weekly Fuel Injected Lunatic Inventor Paul Pantone hoped to save the world. Now, will the world save him? By Stephen Dark Posted 07/26/2007 Led by a bailiff into Judge Royal Hansen's 3rd District Court in West Jordan on June 7, Paul Pantone's shuffling gait might have been caused by a broken big toe-gone untreated for more than year and a half-rather than by his wrist and ankle manacles. The 56-year-old's tall frame was stooped, his face, gray and long. He sat down between his two lawyers and looked up almost in bewilderment as Hansen called the hearing to order, the outcome of which Pantone has been awaiting for the 16 months of his incarceration in the state mental hospital. A broken toe isn't Pantone's only ailment. He has untreated Hepatitis C, persistent migraines, skin rashes, rotten teeth and infected gums. But all this, it might be argued, pales beside what he fears will be the impact on his health if the hearing's outcome goes against him. What Hansen has to decide is whether or not the Attorney General's Office can forcibly medicate Pantone to make him competent for trial. The state wants Pantone competent so he can be sentenced on two charges of securities fraud, to which he pleaded guilty in October 2004. Concerns over Pantone's ability to understand legal proceedings after his plea agreement led Hansen to commit him for evaluation Dec. 12, 2005, to the male forensic unit in the Utah State Hospital, which lies at the base of the east bench in Provo. But, because of the lack of available hospital beds, he spent the next three and a half months in Salt Lake County Jail before he was admitted. Four hospital staff evaluations found him incompetent. Related to his treatment, court documents state, He exhibits grandiose and persecutory delusions, complicated by a personality disorder and a history of substance abuse. The only way Pantone can be sentenced and justice can be served, according to the AG's office, is if he takes antipsychotic drugs. Pantone and his supporters fear the medications will erase his memory, turn him into a zombie-or even kill him. Pantone's voice, as far as talking to the press, is silenced by hospital regulations designed to protect patients' privacy. The only clue to Pantone's current thoughts is from his younger brother Rocky, who lives in Tennessee and talks to him regularly on the phone. I try to talk to him, help him stay calm, he says. He's confused, he's up and down. Š He's pissed and hurting. Š If I read him right, he's extremely scared; he doesn't want to be medicated. This institutionally imposed silence must be frustrating to a man who, for decades, hawked inventions to a highly skeptical world. Extraordinary Technology magazine publisher Steve Elswick says Pantone's a very accomplished inventor. He's also, Elswick says, outspoken and egotistical. You've got to be somewhat egotistical to believe you can do something everyone else says is impossible. Not everyone. Alternative-energy obsessives scattered across the United States have long followed Pantone's litigious battles with ex-partners and his largely undocumented claims for his 20-year-old invention, Global Environmental Energy Technology (GEET), with fascination. And then there are those seeking to get rich quick by investing in a device that Pantone claims offers, when attached to an automobile engine, not only clean exhaust, but also double or even triple the gas mileage (see sidebar, p. 22). With gas prices reaching all-time highs
Re: [Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor
Andy Karpay wrote: While working for another scam-artist company we investigated his system. I took the 1 week course ($1000) and bought a 3-engine license to build his system. I saw the blue Suburban run, and witnessed his demo run on pickle juice, water, and (oh yes, some gasoline). Notes: I put my finger inside the exhaust pipe of the (gasoline) Blue Suburban and it was covered with soot. I came to believe that the operating principle (reality) was that he lowered the pressure in the fuel mix tank such that the gasoline vapors were able to provide fuel to the engine i.e.: the water did nothing but act as his smoke and mirrors, as it is said. We never were able to duplicate his system in our shop. Interesting! I got the free plans to convert a lawnmower engine from the GEET site long ago. After studying them carefully, I determined that two things were happening: 1. Just as you said, lowered vapor pressure (inside the plasma chamber) drove the volatiles off of whatever hydrocarbon mix happened to be present. I thought this might be an interesting method to explore for using undistilled ethanol / water mixtures to run an engine, thereby avoiding the legal problems associated with ethanol distillation. The water MIGHT have a function in providing a small amount of vapor to avoid preignition of the hydrocarbon volatiles, but I couldn't confirm that because I couldn't get the stupid thing to function! 2. Misalignment of the plasma rod was an excuse that Pantone often cited when people complained that his plans for the GEET processor didn't work. What's sad about this, however, is that plasma fuel reforming is REAL technology. If we could make plasma reforming of low proof ethanol or vegetable oil work, that would be a boon to those of us running gasoline engines in regions where legalities create obstacles to biofuel production. However, even if plasma reforming could work, it seems better suited to steady state applications. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
