Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think..
I never thought of that. Nice trick! On 11/17/05, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kurt,Take a sport cap off of a 1 liter water bottle and put it on top of a 2liter PET bottle (soda bottle). Invert bottle. Slice off the bottom.Fill bottle with contents of your one liter reaction. Nest inverted bottle into an appropriate sized jar, quart sized or better. Let settle.After settling, lift PET bottle and gently open the sport cap to allowthe glycerin cocktail to drain.This is essentially a poor man's separatory funnel. Todd Swearingen True, but since I only did a single liter test batch I only can safely pull off about .8L using my present methods. Would a retest of half a liter work? Or should I see how much more I can skim off the top of the bottom layer? -Kurt On 11/16/05, *Joe Street* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good Kurt but you need to take a liter of your hooch and treat it as virgin oil and see if any reaction happens with methoxide. Joe Kurt Nolte wrote: Right, so, I think I may be successful here! Have a batch that I mixed up a few days ago, using a modified for local materials version of the Test Batch processor on the site. Good clean separation of the two layers when I let it settle in a translucent HDPE container. (I have a dozen of them now... I love working in the restaurant industry!). Took 20mL of the top layer, 20mL of room temperature water, stuck them in a 50mL vial, and proceeded to shake the crap out of it. Shook it up like that for a good 7-10 minutes, enough that I was positively certain everything was really mingling about and getting social in there. Set it up on top of the desk shelf over the computer, and set the timer for ten minutes, fifteen minutes, and thirty minutes. Ten minutes passed, and there was visible separation. Cloudy water on the bottom, a kinda thickish white layer in the middle, and amber-yellow non-hazy liquid at the top. Fifteen, and the layer in the middle was quite almost gone. After thirty, it's only barely thicker than paper thin. However, there is a band of hazy amber-yellow liquid on top of it; it's thin too. Is this normal? So, have I done it, or do I still need to tweak? Peace -Kurt___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think..
Sounds good Kurt but you need to take a liter of your hooch and treat it as virgin oil and see if any reaction happens with methoxide. Joe Kurt Nolte wrote: Right, so, I think I may be successful here! Have a batch that I mixed up a few days ago, using a modified for local materials version of the Test Batch processor on the site. Good clean separation of the two layers when I let it settle in a translucent HDPE container. (I have a dozen of them now... I love working in the restaurant industry!). Took 20mL of the top layer, 20mL of room temperature water, stuck them in a 50mL vial, and proceeded to shake the crap out of it. Shook it up like that for a good 7-10 minutes, enough that I was positively certain everything was really mingling about and getting social in there. Set it up on top of the desk shelf over the computer, and set the timer for ten minutes, fifteen minutes, and thirty minutes. Ten minutes passed, and there was visible separation. Cloudy water on the bottom, a kinda thickish white layer in the middle, and amber-yellow non-hazy liquid at the top. Fifteen, and the layer in the middle was quite almost gone. After thirty, it's only barely thicker than paper thin. However, there is a band of hazy amber-yellow liquid on top of it; it's thin too. Is this normal? So, have I done it, or do I still need to tweak? Peace -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think..
True, but since I only did a single liter test batch I only can safely pull off about .8L using my present methods. Would a retest of half a liter work? Or should I see how much more I can skim off the top of the bottom layer? -KurtOn 11/16/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good Kurt but you need to take a liter of your hooch and treat it as virgin oil and see if any reaction happens with methoxide. Joe Kurt Nolte wrote: Right, so, I think I may be successful here! Have a batch that I mixed up a few days ago, using a modified for local materials version of the Test Batch processor on the site. Good clean separation of the two layers when I let it settle in a translucent HDPE container. (I have a dozen of them now... I love working in the restaurant industry!). Took 20mL of the top layer, 20mL of room temperature water, stuck them in a 50mL vial, and proceeded to shake the crap out of it. Shook it up like that for a good 7-10 minutes, enough that I was positively certain everything was really mingling about and getting social in there. Set it up on top of the desk shelf over the computer, and set the timer for ten minutes, fifteen minutes, and thirty minutes. Ten minutes passed, and there was visible separation. Cloudy water on the bottom, a kinda thickish white layer in the middle, and amber-yellow non-hazy liquid at the top. Fifteen, and the layer in the middle was quite almost gone. After thirty, it's only barely thicker than paper thin. However, there is a band of hazy amber-yellow liquid on top of it; it's thin too. Is this normal? So, have I done it, or do I still need to tweak? Peace -Kurt ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think..
Sorry just have a question, Joe when you say treat it as virgin oil, do you mean for Kurt to do the whole process again? If so why would that be? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Nolte Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:02 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think.. True, but since I only did a single liter test batch I only can safely pull off about .8L using my present methods. Would a retest of half a liter work? Or should I see how much more I can skim off the top of the bottom layer? -Kurt On 11/16/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good Kurt but you need to take a liter of your hooch and treat it as virgin oil and see if any reaction happens with methoxide. Joe Kurt Nolte wrote: Right, so, I think I may be successful here! Have a batch that I mixed up a few days ago, using a modified for local materials version of the Test Batch processor on the site. Good clean separation of the two layers when I let it settle in a translucent HDPE container. (I have a dozen of them now... I love working in the restaurant industry!). Took 20mL of the top layer, 20mL of room temperature water, stuck them in a 50mL vial, and proceeded to shake the crap out of it. Shook it up like that for a good 7-10 minutes, enough that I was positively certain everything was really mingling about and getting social in there. Set it up on top of the desk shelf over the computer, and set the timer for ten minutes, fifteen minutes, and thirty minutes. Ten minutes passed, and there was visible separation. Cloudy water on the bottom, a kinda thickish white layer in the middle, and amber-yellow non-hazy liquid at the top. Fifteen, and the layer in the middle was quite almost gone. After thirty, it's only barely thicker than paper thin. However, there is a band of hazy amber-yellow liquid on top of it; it's thin too. Is this normal? So, have I done it, or do I still need to tweak? Peace -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think..
To check for process completion. Reprocessing, basically; if any more glycerine falls out, the process needs to be refined still. I've been re-reading up. ;p -KurtOn 11/16/05, Darryl West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry just have a question, Joe when you say treat it as virgin oil, do you mean for Kurt to do the whole process again? If so why would that be? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kurt Nolte Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:02 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think.. True, but since I only did a single liter test batch I only can safely pull off about .8L using my present methods. Would a retest of half a liter work? Or should I see how much more I can skim off the top of the bottom layer? -Kurt On 11/16/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good Kurt but you need to take a liter of your hooch and treat it as virgin oil and see if any reaction happens with methoxide. Joe Kurt Nolte wrote: Right, so, I think I may be successful here! Have a batch that I mixed up a few days ago, using a modified for local materials version of the Test Batch processor on the site. Good clean separation of the two layers when I let it settle in a translucent HDPE container. (I have a dozen of them now... I love working in the restaurant industry!). Took 20mL of the top layer, 20mL of room temperature water, stuck them in a 50mL vial, and proceeded to shake the crap out of it. Shook it up like that for a good 7-10 minutes, enough that I was positively certain everything was really mingling about and getting social in there. Set it up on top of the desk shelf over the computer, and set the timer for ten minutes, fifteen minutes, and thirty minutes. Ten minutes passed, and there was visible separation. Cloudy water on the bottom, a kinda thickish white layer in the middle, and amber-yellow non-hazy liquid at the top. Fifteen, and the layer in the middle was quite almost gone. After thirty, it's only barely thicker than paper thin. However, there is a band of hazy amber-yellow liquid on top of it; it's thin too. Is this normal? So, have I done it, or do I still need to tweak? Peace -Kurt ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think..
So if more glycerine falls out does this mean that you need to adjust the amount of chemical you are using during your initial step? Would you repeat this process every time you make a batch (regardless of the size of the batch)? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Nolte Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:26 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think.. To check for process completion. Reprocessing, basically; if any more glycerine falls out, the process needs to be refined still. I've been re-reading up. ;p -Kurt On 11/16/05, Darryl West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry just have a question, Joe when you say treat it as virgin oil, do you mean for Kurt to do the whole process again? If so why would that be? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kurt Nolte Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:02 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think.. True, but since I only did a single liter test batch I only can safely pull off about .8L using my present methods. Would a retest of half a liter work? Or should I see how much more I can skim off the top of the bottom layer? -Kurt On 11/16/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good Kurt but you need to take a liter of your hooch and treat it as virgin oil and see if any reaction happens with methoxide. Joe Kurt Nolte wrote: Right, so, I think I may be successful here! Have a batch that I mixed up a few days ago, using a modified for local materials version of the Test Batch processor on the site. Good clean separation of the two layers when I let it settle in a translucent HDPE container. (I have a dozen of them now... I love working in the restaurant industry!). Took 20mL of the top layer, 20mL of room temperature water, stuck them in a 50mL vial, and proceeded to shake the crap out of it. Shook it up like that for a good 7-10 minutes, enough that I was positively certain everything was really mingling about and getting social in there. Set it up on top of the desk shelf over the computer, and set the timer for ten minutes, fifteen minutes, and thirty minutes. Ten minutes passed, and there was visible separation. Cloudy water on the bottom, a kinda thickish white layer in the middle, and amber-yellow non-hazy liquid at the top. Fifteen, and the layer in the middle was quite almost gone. After thirty, it's only barely thicker than paper thin. However, there is a band of hazy amber-yellow liquid on top of it; it's thin too. Is this normal? So, have I done it, or do I still need to tweak? Peace -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think..
Kurt, Take a sport cap off of a 1 liter water bottle and put it on top of a 2 liter PET bottle (soda bottle). Invert bottle. Slice off the bottom. Fill bottle with contents of your one liter reaction. Nest inverted bottle into an appropriate sized jar, quart sized or better. Let settle. After settling, lift PET bottle and gently open the sport cap to allow the glycerin cocktail to drain. This is essentially a poor man's separatory funnel. Todd Swearingen True, but since I only did a single liter test batch I only can safely pull off about .8L using my present methods. Would a retest of half a liter work? Or should I see how much more I can skim off the top of the bottom layer? -Kurt On 11/16/05, *Joe Street* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good Kurt but you need to take a liter of your hooch and treat it as virgin oil and see if any reaction happens with methoxide. Joe Kurt Nolte wrote: Right, so, I think I may be successful here! Have a batch that I mixed up a few days ago, using a modified for local materials version of the Test Batch processor on the site. Good clean separation of the two layers when I let it settle in a translucent HDPE container. (I have a dozen of them now... I love working in the restaurant industry!). Took 20mL of the top layer, 20mL of room temperature water, stuck them in a 50mL vial, and proceeded to shake the crap out of it. Shook it up like that for a good 7-10 minutes, enough that I was positively certain everything was really mingling about and getting social in there. Set it up on top of the desk shelf over the computer, and set the timer for ten minutes, fifteen minutes, and thirty minutes. Ten minutes passed, and there was visible separation. Cloudy water on the bottom, a kinda thickish white layer in the middle, and amber-yellow non-hazy liquid at the top. Fifteen, and the layer in the middle was quite almost gone. After thirty, it's only barely thicker than paper thin. However, there is a band of hazy amber-yellow liquid on top of it; it's thin too. Is this normal? So, have I done it, or do I still need to tweak? Peace -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Success! I think..
Right, so, I think I may be successful here! Have a batch that I mixed up a few days ago, using a modified for local materials version of the Test Batch processor on the site. Good clean separation of the two layers when I let it settle in a translucent HDPE container. (I have a dozen of them now... I love working in the restaurant industry!). Took 20mL of the top layer, 20mL of room temperature water, stuck them in a 50mL vial, and proceeded to shake the crap out of it. Shook it up like that for a good 7-10 minutes, enough that I was positively certain everything was really mingling about and getting social in there. Set it up on top of the desk shelf over the computer, and set the timer for ten minutes, fifteen minutes, and thirty minutes. Ten minutes passed, and there was visible separation. Cloudy water on the bottom, a kinda thickish white layer in the middle, and amber-yellow non-hazy liquid at the top. Fifteen, and the layer in the middle was quite almost gone. After thirty, it's only barely thicker than paper thin. However, there is a band of hazy amber-yellow liquid on top of it; it's thin too. Is this normal? So, have I done it, or do I still need to tweak? Peace -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
