Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy
Hakan, I don't think that a majority were responsible for the reselection of the current administration, but the facts show that there was severe hanky-panky between the manufacturers of the various voting machines. What you're about to witness is an event similar to November 1917...only this time the Mensheviks will win. Walker Bennett Sedona, Arizona I do not fear computers. I fear lack of them. --Isaac Asimov Mike, Is it US in the meaning of we, or is it US administration in the meaning of they? It seams that you are fishing for others opinion, in order to build your own opinion. My opinion is that I have never seen such a despicable US administration before and they are trowing out any kind of accusation to build their own case, this regardless of truth or honor. It is also obvious now, that a majority of Americans identify themselves with this kind of behavior and that it was worth to acknowledge with a solid re-election of Bush. This despite a solid world opinion of the opposite. I feel sorry for the minority of Americans, who take a stand against what is going on. This shameful period and loss of trust that US is going through now, will take a very long time to repair. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] THE RISE OF AMERICA'S NEW ENEMY
Hi All, Forget Iraq, take a look at what John Pilger sees happening justsouth of the border. Regards, Bob. THE RISE OF AMERICA'S NEW ENEMY I was dropped at Paradiso, the last middle-class area before barrio La Vega, which spills into a ravine as if by the force of gravity. Storms were forecast, and people were anxious, remembering the mudslides that took 20,000 lives. "Why are you here?" asked the man sitting opposite me in the packed jeep-bus that chugged up the hill. Like so many in Latin America, he appeared old, but wasn't. Without waiting for my answer, he listed why he supported President Chavez: schools, clinics, affordable food, "our constitution, our democracy" and "for the first time, the oil money is going to us." I asked him if he belonged to the MRV, Chavez's party, "No, I've never been in a political party; I can only tell you how my life has been changed, as I never dreamt." It is raw witness like this, which I have heard over and over again in Venezuela, that smashes the one-way mirror between the west and a continent that is rising. By rising, I mean the phenomenon of millions of people stirring once again, "like lions after slumber/In unvanquishable number", wrote the poet Shelley in The Mask of Anarchy. This is not romantic; an epic is unfolding in Latin America that demands our attention beyond the stereotypes and clich?s that diminish whole societies to their degree of exploitation and expendability. To the man in the bus, and to Beatrice whose children are being immunised and taught history, art and music for the first time, and Celedonia, in her seventies, reading and writing for the first time, and Jose whose life was saved by a doctor in the middle of the night, the first doctor he had ever seen, Hugo Chavez is neither a "firebrand" nor an "autocrat" but a humanitarian and a democrat who commands almost two thirds of the popular vote, accredited by victories in no less than nine elections. Compare that with the fifth of the British electorate that re-installed Blair, an authentic autocrat. Ch?vez and the rise of popular social movements, from Colombia down to Argentina, represent bloodless, radical change across the continent, inspired by the great independence struggles that began with SimOn Bol?var, born in Venezuela, who brought the ideas of the French Revolution to societies cowed by Spanish absolutism. Bol?var, like Che Guevara in the 1960s and Chavez today, understood the new colonial master to the north. "The USA," he said in 1819, "appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." At the Summit of the Americas in Quebec City in 2001, George W Bush announced the latest misery in the name of liberty in the form of a Free Trade Area of the Americas treaty. This would allow the United States to impose its ideological "market", neo-liberalism, finally on all of Latin America. It was the natural successor to Bill Clinton's North American Free Trade Agreement, which has turned Mexico into an American sweatshop. Bush boasted it would be law by 2005. On 5 November, Bush arrived at the 2005 summit in Mar del Plata, Argentina, to be told his FTAA was not even on the agenda. Among the 34 heads of state were new, uncompliant faces and behind all of them were populations no longer willing to accept US-backed business tyrannies. Never before have Latin American governments had to consult their people on pseudo-agreements of this kind; but now they must. In Bolivia, in the past five years, social movements have got rid of governments and foreign corporations alike, such as the tentacular Bechtel, which sought to impose what people call total locura capitalista - total capitalist folly - the privatising of almost everything, especially natural gas and water. Following Pinochet's Chile, Bolivia was to be a neo-liberal laboratory. The poorest of the poor were charged up to two-thirds of their pittance-income even for rain-water. Standing in the bleak, freezing, cobble-stoned streets of El Alto, 14,000 feet up in the Andes, or sitting in the breeze-block homes of former miners and campesinos driven off their land, I have had political discussions of a kind seldom ignited in Britain and the US. They are direct and eloquent. "Why are we so poor," they say, "when our country is so rich? Why do governments lie to us and represent outside powers?" They refer to 500 years of conquest as if it is a living presence, which it is, tracing a journey from the Spanish plunder of Cerro Rico, a hill of silver mined by indigenous slave labour and which underwrote the Spanish Empire for three centuries. When the silver was gone, there was tin, and when the mines were privatised in the 1970s at the behest of the IMF, tin collapsed, along with 30,000 jobs. When the coca leaf replaced it - in Bolivia, chewing it in curbs hunger - the Bolivian army, coerced by the US, began destroying the coca crops
Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy
The US may already be reaching that meltdown. The huge and growing poor population seem to attest to that. We saw it for the first time (at least in the national media for a while) after Katrina. The rampant social inequity that all of the developed countries have typically done a rather good job of keeping under the rug came out. And this past week it came out from under the rug in France too. Zeke On 11/13/05, Kenji James Fuse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug, Other than a mighty military industry and its spin-offs, the only substantial investment occuring in the US is speculative, mostly on foreign markets. Of course we are not too near the 'final corporate solution', when only one company remains standing in the world. But with all the hidden mergers and such, its probably closer than we think. Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy
Hello Kenji Doug, The US may already be reaching that meltdown. The huge and growing poor population seem to attest to that. Other than a mighty military industry and its spin-offs, the only substantial investment occuring in the US is speculative, mostly on foreign markets. Of course we are not too near the 'final corporate solution', when only one company remains standing in the world. The 'final corporate solution' might be more akin to the world of The Matrix or Terminator (and long explored in SF). It's the logical outcome, it makes the best sense for the bottom-line. See eg: http://journeytoforever.org/fyi_previous5.html#creed Feel No Remorse -- The Corporate Creed This is worth a read: This publication by ETC with the Dag Hammarskjold Foundation, on the technological challenges of the 21st Century, sets the scene well. It's very good, covers GE, nanotech and more: ETC Century: Erosion, Technological Transformation, and Corporate Concentration in the 21st Century http://etcgroup.org/article.asp?newsid=159 Best Keith But with all the hidden mergers and such, its probably closer than we think. Kenji Fuse On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Doug Foskey wrote: Hakan, I think you are correct. It is only a matter of time until the US reaches (economic) meltdown. A country can only plunder resources for so long. History shows that equilibrium will be restored eventually. regards Doug On Sunday 13 November 2005 7:28, Hakan Falk wrote: Ken, The spot markets are in Belgium and Netherlands. For oil in Belgium and they trade in $. Last one who seriously tried with oil in Euro, was Saddam H. and Iraq was invaded. LOL Do not worry, it will come anyway. Jeans are not made in US and to boycott corporations, who in most cases are without a real home nation, is of no real benefit. Even if they have HQ outside US and their products made made and sold outside US, they are US based if 20% of their business are made in US. It is an US law who says that any company with its business 20% or more in US, must be consolidating their business in US and that makes them American on paper. Very few of US multinational are in a real sense American. To avoid this, is complicated, i.e. Shell who is two independent companies, one for US and one for the rest of the world. I don not see what real action that you suggest to boycott, that is American other than only the images? The Euro is gradually making large inroads anyway, despite forceful resistance from US. Hakan At 02:27 13/11/2005, you wrote: On Nov 12, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Hakan Falk wrote: I feel sorry for the minority of Americans, who take a stand against what is going on. This shameful period and loss of trust that US is going through now, will take a very long time to repair. Excellent. Glad to hear it! So I assume this means that Europeans and others will stop buying blue jeans, will desist from investing in US corporations, will stop buying our certificates of deposit, our Treasury bills, etc., and will shortly be establishing a European Oil Bourse, denominated in euros of course (like the Iranian one which has almost gotten them invaded). In other words, with all due respect, please put your money where your mouth is, ie, until those in the world with higher standards begin to BOYCOTT the US and all its economic institutions, they can't really be serious about supporting some alternative, can they? -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy
So what? As long as Nascar is on what's the big deal? Freedom hater. Zeke Yewdall wrote: The US may already be reaching that meltdown. The huge and growing poor population seem to attest to that. We saw it for the first time (at least in the national media for a while) after Katrina. The rampant social inequity that all of the developed countries have typically done a rather good job of keeping under the rug came out. And this past week it came out from under the rug in France too. Zeke On 11/13/05, Kenji James Fuse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug, Other than a mighty military industry and its spin-offs, the only substantial investment occuring in the US is speculative, mostly on foreign markets. Of course we are not too near the 'final corporate solution', when only one company remains standing in the world. But with all the hidden mergers and such, its probably closer than we think. Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy
Hear Hear!! Ken Provost wrote: On Nov 12, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Hakan Falk wrote: I feel sorry for the minority of Americans, who take a stand against what is going on. This shameful period and loss of trust that US is going through now, will take a very long time to repair. Excellent. Glad to hear it! So I assume this means that Europeans and others will stop buying blue jeans, will desist from investing in US corporations, will stop buying our certificates of deposit, our Treasury bills, etc., and will shortly be establishing a European Oil Bourse, denominated in euros of course (like the Iranian one which has almost gotten them invaded). In other words, with all due respect, please "put your money where your mouth is", ie, until those in the world with higher standards begin to BOYCOTT the US and all its economic institutions, they can't really be serious about supporting some alternative, can they? -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy
Hoooray for meltdown. Bring it on! :-) :-) Signed, The Fairorist Doug Foskey wrote: Hakan, I think you are correct. It is only a matter of time until the US reaches (economic) meltdown. A country can only plunder resources for so long. History shows that equilibrium will be restored eventually. regards Doug On Sunday 13 November 2005 7:28, Hakan Falk wrote: Ken, The spot markets are in Belgium and Netherlands. For oil in Belgium and they trade in $. Last one who seriously tried with oil in Euro, was Saddam H. and Iraq was invaded. LOL Do not worry, it will come anyway. Jeans are not made in US and to boycott corporations, who in most cases are without a real home nation, is of no real benefit. Even if they have HQ outside US and their products made made and sold outside US, they are US based if 20% of their business are made in US. It is an US law who says that any company with its business 20% or more in US, must be consolidating their business in US and that makes them American on paper. Very few of US multinational are in a real sense American. To avoid this, is complicated, i.e. Shell who is two independent companies, one for US and one for the rest of the world. I don not see what real action that you suggest to boycott, that is American other than only the images? The Euro is gradually making large inroads anyway, despite forceful resistance from US. Hakan At 02:27 13/11/2005, you wrote: On Nov 12, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Hakan Falk wrote: I feel sorry for the minority of Americans, who take a stand against what is going on. This shameful period and loss of trust that US is going through now, will take a very long time to repair. Excellent. Glad to hear it! So I assume this means that Europeans and others will stop buying blue jeans, will desist from investing in US corporations, will stop buying our certificates of deposit, our Treasury bills, etc., and will shortly be establishing a European Oil Bourse, denominated in euros of course (like the Iranian one which has almost gotten them invaded). In other words, with all due respect, please "put your money where your mouth is", ie, until those in the world with higher standards begin to BOYCOTT the US and all its economic institutions, they can't really be serious about supporting some alternative, can they? -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy
Good Lord Mike give your head a shake! How many people were screaming that there were no WMD but it was brushed asside. Have a listen to George Galloway's diatribe for example. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: help work on one. The Bush administration finally told us to stick it. Finally, the forgoing assumed that there were WMD in Iraq. This was a lie. Had that been known, I find it hard to believe anyone would have supported the Iraq invasion. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
