Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars

2006-08-06 Thread Steve Barton
From what I have seen on the net and read the fuel sould be washed 3 time to 
get a clean product. Some or most of you out there making biodiesel every 
day might say that this is over kil. I don't know as I'm just getting 
started.
My first wash will be mist only to remove the bulk of unwanted products from 
the reaction. 2nd wash mist and mild aireation, 3rd wash, mist and strong 
aireation. I think that this might work to help cut down on any emulsions in 
the wash and help move the fuel in the tank around a bit on the last wash as 
well. Just my thoughs on it.

Steve
- Original Message - 
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars


Thank for the info.

Derick, I Would like to see pictures of your processor.

 I have made a few sample liters of biodiesel and this weekend will
do a few more using used oil to nasty used oil to get a better feel
for the the things that should and should not happen. Today a found
a supply of used 100 gal tanks that I can use and mod to make my
processor with. I plan to have one pertreat tank, processor tank,
dry tank with two poly wash tanks. Frist wash tank will wash with
spray in the frist stage and spray with air bubbler for the second
stage. The second wash tank will have spray, bubbler and aggatation.
Then to the dryer. After some testing of the fuel hopefully into the
truck tank it will go. All of this might sound like a bit of over
kill but this is what I feel comfortable with for my new 2005 truck.
If any one wants to put any input in I'm all ears, really, there big.

Will try to post pictures as I go with the consruction of the unit.

Post them where? The list doesn't accept attachments (as you were
advised when you joined). If you want to post pictures you can
discuss it with me offlist and if suitable I can post them at the
Journey to Forever website and give you a link to use.

Thanks Again, Steve

Why do you want to use sprays and air-bubblers Steve, to help prevent
emulsions?

Best

Keith


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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Derick Giorchino
To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars

I   have a 04 dodge with a Cummins and have been running it on b100
for 1 ½ years after researching this to death. And finding nothing
on bio in late models Cummins talks in circles about bio saying the
jury is still out. Although they don't say not to use it they don't
say its o.k. so I am doing my own research all is good with about
26000 miles in bio only.

Good luck Derick




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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve
Barton
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:15 AM
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars



Hello to all

I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of
biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But
befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about
runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy
diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or
info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have
made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice.
Thanks for the help.



Frist post to the list, Steve


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Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars

2006-08-06 Thread Thomas Kelly
Steve,
Regarding misting and mild aeration to help cut down on any emulsions 
in the wash.
 Emulsions are telling you that something is wrong in the process 
leading up to the wash. Ex Water in the WVO or the methanol, faulty 
titration, mistakes in measurements or math. Maybe the process itself needs 
tweaking: decrease volume of WVO or raise temp a few degrees; processing 
time by 15 - 30 min .
 Minimize soap and unreacted  mono-  diglycerides
and stir wash w/o emulsions.
 Stir washing saves time and does not promote fuel oxidation as aeration 
does. I ran a 76L batch yesterday morning. Let it sit in a settling tank for 
24 hrs. Did my first stir wash at about noon today, my second at 3PM and 
just did my 3rd stir wash at 6 PM. I'll let it sit overnight and I expect to 
dry it tomorrow.
 Deal with the emulsions you are getting, but work to improve the 
process so that your BD can stand up to stir washing w/o fear of emulsion.
 Also learn to perform the quality tests described at JTF.
Best of luck to you,
 Tom

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Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars


From what I have seen on the net and read the fuel sould be washed 3 time 
to
get a clean product. Some or most of you out there making biodiesel every
day might say that this is over kil. I don't know as I'm just getting
started.
My first wash will be mist only to remove the bulk of unwanted products from
the reaction. 2nd wash mist and mild aireation, 3rd wash, mist and strong
aireation. I think that this might work to help cut down on any emulsions in
the wash and help move the fuel in the tank around a bit on the last wash as
well. Just my thoughs on it.

Steve



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Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars

2006-08-05 Thread Keith Addison
Thank for the info.

Derick, I Would like to see pictures of your processor.

 I have made a few sample liters of biodiesel and this weekend will 
do a few more using used oil to nasty used oil to get a better feel 
for the the things that should and should not happen. Today a found 
a supply of used 100 gal tanks that I can use and mod to make my 
processor with. I plan to have one pertreat tank, processor tank, 
dry tank with two poly wash tanks. Frist wash tank will wash with 
spray in the frist stage and spray with air bubbler for the second 
stage. The second wash tank will have spray, bubbler and aggatation. 
Then to the dryer. After some testing of the fuel hopefully into the 
truck tank it will go. All of this might sound like a bit of over 
kill but this is what I feel comfortable with for my new 2005 truck. 
If any one wants to put any input in I'm all ears, really, there big.

Will try to post pictures as I go with the consruction of the unit.

Post them where? The list doesn't accept attachments (as you were 
advised when you joined). If you want to post pictures you can 
discuss it with me offlist and if suitable I can post them at the 
Journey to Forever website and give you a link to use.

Thanks Again, Steve

Why do you want to use sprays and air-bubblers Steve, to help prevent 
emulsions?

Best

Keith


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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Derick Giorchino
To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars

I   have a 04 dodge with a Cummins and have been running it on b100 
for 1 ½ years after researching this to death. And finding nothing 
on bio in late models Cummins talks in circles about bio saying the 
jury is still out. Although they don’t say not to use it they don’t 
say its o.k. so I am doing my own research all is good with about 
26000 miles in bio only.

Good luck Derick




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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve 
Barton
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:15 AM
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars



Hello to all

I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of 
biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But 
befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about 
runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy 
diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or 
info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have 
made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. 
Thanks for the help.



Frist post to the list, Steve


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Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars

2006-08-04 Thread Joe Street




Great info Derick thank you.




Derick Giorchino wrote:

  
  


  
  
  
  I have a
04 dodge with a Cummins and
have been running it on b100 for 1  years after researching this to
death. And
finding nothing on bio in late models Cummins talks in circles about
bio saying
the jury is still out. Although they dont say not to use it they dont
say its o.k. so I am doing my own research all is good with about 26000
miles
in bio only.
  Good luck
Derick
  
  
  
  
  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Steve Barton
  Sent: Wednesday,
August 02, 2006
5:15 AM
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Subject: [Biofuel]
Using biodiesel
in newer truck-cars
  
  
  
  Hello to all
  
  
  I'm new to all of this
and have read and studied the makeing
of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But
befor
diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing
home made
biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the
6.6lly
engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might
have
running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled
diesels
would be nice. Thanks for the help.
  
  
  
  
  
  Frist post to the list,
Steve
  
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars

2006-08-04 Thread Steve Barton



Thank for the info.

Derick, I Would like to see pictures of your
processor.

I have made a few sample liters of biodiesel
and this weekend will do a few more using used oil to nasty used oil to get
abetter feel for the the things that should and should not happen. Today a
found a supply of used 100 gal tanks that I can use and mod to make my processor
with. I plan to have one pertreat tank, processor tank, dry tank with
twopoly wash tanks. Frist wash tank will wash with spray in the frist
stage and spray with air bubbler for the second stage. The second wash tank will
have spray, bubbler and aggatation. Then to the dryer. After some testing of the
fuel hopefully into the truck tank it will go. All of this might sound like a
bit of over kill but this is what I feel comfortable with for my new
2005truck. If any one wants to put any input in I'm all ears, really,
there big.

Will try to post pictures as I go with the
consruction of the unit.

Thanks Again, Steve

 Original Message - 

  From:
  Derick Giorchino
  
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  
  Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:44
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in
  newer truck-cars
  
  
  I have a
  04 dodge with a Cummins and have been running it on b100 for 1 ½ years after
  researching this to death. And finding nothing on bio in late models Cummins
  talks in circles about bio saying the jury is still out. Although they don’t
  say not to use it they don’t say its o.k. so I am doing my own research all is
  good with about 26000 miles in bio only.
  Good luck
  Derick
  
  
  
  
  
  From:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve BartonSent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:15
  AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in
  newer truck-cars
  
  
  Hello to
  all
  
  I'm new to all of this and have
  read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to
  produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found
  much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005
  chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info
  about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in
  a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the
  help.
  
  
  
  Frist post to the list,
  Steve
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars

2006-08-03 Thread DB



I had an 02 volkswagon golf that I put 30,000 miles 
on.(100% bio)there were no problems till the engine light went on. We took 
it too a couple of shops with no results and had to take it to the dealer. $1600 
poorer all I knew is that the injector pump had to be replaced because the fuel 
sensor had failed. It was my wife's car and it took a week before we got it 
back. They woudn't give her the pump so I couldn't have a look. They said 
there was a $600 core charge. I was out of town on a job and couldn't do 
anything but pay the money. I was so pissed of that I sold it and bought an 86 
mercedes 190D. (for her) I have an 83TD wagon. They both run on 100% BD, with no 
problem. We actually started out with an80 CD and sold it to buy the 
volkswagon.Good luck with the new crap . Computers and billions of sensors 
all made in China and doomed to heartache. The engine light will go on. blinking 
out this message.."go directly to dealer, bring CASH... 
DB

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  Barton 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:15 
  AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in 
  newer truck-cars
  
  Hello to all
  I'm new to all of this and have read and studied 
  the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well 
  But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing 
  home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with 
  the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I 
  might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer 
  controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help.
  
  Frist post to the list, Steve
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars

2006-08-03 Thread Steve Barton




Thank for the input and info so far. Still pushing
forward with a processor, but would like to hear more from anyone that has had
trouble with the newer engines.
Please keep them coming.

Thanks, Steve

  - Original Message - 
  From:
  DB 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  
  Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:38
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in
  newer truck-cars
  
  I had an 02 volkswagon golf that I put 30,000
  miles on.(100% bio)there were no problems till the engine light went on.
  We took it too a couple of shops with no results and had to take it to the
  dealer. $1600 poorer all I knew is that the injector pump had to be replaced
  because the fuel sensor had failed. It was my wife's car and it took a week
  before we got it back. They woudn't give her the pump so I couldn't have
  a look. They said there was a $600 core charge. I was out of town on a job and
  couldn't do anything but pay the money. I was so pissed of that I sold it and
  bought an 86 mercedes 190D. (for her) I have an 83TD wagon. They both run on
  100% BD, with no problem. We actually started out with an80 CD and sold
  it to buy the volkswagon.Good luck with the new crap . Computers and
  billions of sensors all made in China and doomed to heartache. The engine
  light will go on. blinking out this message.."go directly to dealer, bring
  CASH... DB
  
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From:
Steve
Barton 
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:15
AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in
newer truck-cars

Hello to all
I'm new to all of this and have read and
studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it
as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much
info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy
diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info
about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself
in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the
help.

Frist post to the list, Steve



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Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars

2006-08-03 Thread Keith Addison
Thank for the input and info so far. Still pushing forward with a processor,

Start with the process, not with the processor, the processor comes 
later. Start here:
Where do I start?
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start

Follow the instructions, step by step. Study everything on that page 
and the next page and at the links in the text. It tells you 
everything you need to know.

Best wishes

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
KYOTO Pref., Japan
http://journeytoforever.org/

 

but would like to hear more from anyone that has had trouble with 
the newer engines.
Please keep them coming.

Thanks, Steve

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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]DB
To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars

I had an 02 volkswagon golf that I put 30,000 miles on.(100% 
bio) there were no problems till the engine light went on. We took 
it too a couple of shops with no results and had to take it to the 
dealer. $1600 poorer all I knew is that the injector pump had to be 
replaced because the fuel sensor had failed. It was my wife's car 
and it took a week before we got it back. They woudn't give her the 
pump so I couldn't  have a look. They said there was a $600 core 
charge. I was out of town on a job and couldn't do anything but pay 
the money. I was so pissed of that I sold it and bought an 86 
mercedes 190D. (for her) I have an 83TD wagon. They both run on 100% 
BD, with no problem. We actually started out with an 80 CD and sold 
it to buy the volkswagon. Good luck with the new crap . Computers 
and billions of sensors all made in China and doomed to heartache. 
The engine light will go on. blinking out this message..go 
directly to dealer, bring CASH... DB

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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Steve Barton
To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:15 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars

Hello to all
I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of 
biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But 
befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about 
runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy 
diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or 
info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have 
made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. 
Thanks for the help.

Frist post to the list, Steve


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Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars

2006-08-03 Thread Zeke Yewdall
The fuel sensor that failed is actually about a $50 part, but the dealer can't replace it separately from the injection pump. I've heard of a couple people experiencing that, and the independent mechanics with biodiesel experience have told me what the deal usually is. But since these cars are relatively new, it's always the dealers who have no actual expertise with their own products who end up replacing them.
The old mercedes will run straight veggie oil or glycerine contaminated BD and all kinds of crap without complaining much. Not as advanced or efficient, but they sure are a bit more robust than the new computer controlled ones...
On 8/3/06, DB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







I had an 02 volkswagon golf that I put 30,000 miles 
on.(100% bio)there were no problems till the engine light went on. We took 
it too a couple of shops with no results and had to take it to the dealer. $1600 
poorer all I knew is that the injector pump had to be replaced because the fuel 
sensor had failed. It was my wife's car and it took a week before we got it 
back. They woudn't give her the pump so I couldn't have a look. They said 
there was a $600 core charge. I was out of town on a job and couldn't do 
anything but pay the money. I was so pissed of that I sold it and bought an 86 
mercedes 190D. (for her) I have an 83TD wagon. They both run on 100% BD, with no 
problem. We actually started out with an80 CD and sold it to buy the 
volkswagon.Good luck with the new crap . Computers and billions of sensors 
all made in China and doomed to heartache. The engine light will go on. blinking 
out this message..go directly to dealer, bring CASH... 
DB

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From: 
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  Barton 
  To: 
biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:15 
  AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in 
  newer truck-cars
  
  Hello to all
  I'm new to all of this and have read and studied 
  the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well 
  But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing 
  home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with 
  the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I 
  might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer 
  controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help.
  
  Frist post to the list, Steve
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars

2006-08-03 Thread Derick Giorchino








I   have a 04 dodge with a Cummins and
have been running it on b100 for 1 ½ years after researching this to death. And
finding nothing on bio in late models Cummins talks in circles about bio saying
the jury is still out. Although they dont say not to use it they dont
say its o.k. so I am doing my own research all is good with about 26000 miles
in bio only.

Good luck Derick











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Hello to all





I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing
of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor
diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made
biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly
engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have
running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels
would be nice. Thanks for the help.











Frist post to the list, Steve








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[Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars

2006-08-02 Thread Steve Barton



Hello to all
I'm new to all of this and have read and studied
the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well
But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing
home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the
6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might
have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled
diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help.

Frist post to the list,
Steve

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