Re: [Biofuel] Warning to List Members
On Sun, Aug 28, 2005 at 11:15:44AM -0700, Rumen Slavov wrote: Hi, Friends, It seems to me all of you are intelligent persons, so I wonder why you are using Microsoft bullsh...? One has really nothing to the other. At the moment, MS software is just easier to use on desktop PCs. It's going to change fairly soon (within next few years, likely), but not yet. As far as it is well known, there is not such animal - virus or worm or Trojan - for Linux! For some time now there are several distribution of Live CD`s, which work even in an empty hard like Knoppix and many others! My OS is Slackware Linux 10.1 and I never had any problems in the net. And it is free of charge. It's Free Software - you can do whatever you want with it. It doesn't mean it has to be free of charge. Just to be clear with exact meaning of term Free Software... The OppenOffice 1.1.4 office is well ahead of MS office - That's absolutely too optimistic statement. I also use Linux and BSD system, as I'm a software developer, but I wouldn't dare to claim that current OpenOffice is better than MS Office. True - it can open .doc files not matter what version of MS Word created them, yet still when it comes to _details_ ie. to read and render file _exactly_ how it was saved, OpenOffice reveals its lacks. Version 2 of this office suite brings significant progress, but it's still unstable. I use OpenOffice to read various MS Office files that come via email, but I prefer to work on native OpenOffice file formats instead of using it as a free replacement for MS Office. It just doesn't work well this way. it opens files no matter which application is involved in the creation ( for example MS office XP can not open document written with MS office 97). Everything can be downloaded free from the net and the distributions are equipped with more than 2000 applications! ... which are often difficult to setup and/or use. Remember, not every user really feels like to explore what to do, to make it actually work like I want it to. It's educative and very interesting - just like biofuel brewing :) - but sometimes people just want to use it... nothing more. All you need is to compile idconfig (the network connection) and you are free of problems. Me, personally, I do not have antivirus - I don`t need it. So do I. But I'm more careful when advocating such a system :-) -- cheers, Rafal Szczesniak **mir[at]diament.ists.pwr.wroc.pl Samba Team member mi***[at]samba.org +-+ *BSD, GNU/Linux and Samba http://www.samba.org +-+ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Warning to List Members
Look at www.ubuntulinux.org Fantastic debian flavoured os with easy setup and functional kde. (needs no gas!) Stephan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Arden B. Norder Sent: 29 August 2005 02:26 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Warning to List Members Halellujah . . . I'm not alone!!! I live for and work with linux everyday all day long - It just works . . . all the time!!! Greetings from Holland!!! Arden On Aug 29, 2005 10:23 AM, Rumen Slavov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends, As I wrote, there are not viruses for Linux. In the earliest `80 there were a couple of exploits ( not viruses!), but they dyed soon, when the kernel has changed. The creation of a virus is a complicate process, one has to know the exact target, what is almost impossible with the variety of kernels in the comps of the net. Linux is quickly evolving OS and this is understandable - say 2000 programmers in Richmond can not lead competition with 2 000 000 worldwide. I have been running different Linux distributions for some 6 years and I have always in my pocket a small CD 215 MB live CD to revive dead MS comps. Don`t get confused - use Linux! Best R.Slavov __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Warning to List Members
Dear Friends, As I wrote, there are not viruses for Linux. In the earliest `80 there were a couple of exploits ( not viruses!), but they dyed soon, when the kernel has changed. The creation of a virus is a complicate process, one has to know the exact target, what is almost impossible with the variety of kernels in the comps of the net. Linux is quickly evolving OS and this is understandable - say 2000 programmers in Richmond can not lead competition with 2 000 000 worldwide. I have been running different Linux distributions for some 6 years and I have always in my pocket a small CD 215 MB live CD to revive dead MS comps. Don`t get confused - use Linux! Best R.Slavov __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Warning to List Members
Halellujah . . . I'm not alone!!! I live for and work with linux everyday all day long - It just works . . . all the time!!! Greetings from Holland!!! Arden On Aug 29, 2005 10:23 AM, Rumen Slavov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends, As I wrote, there are not viruses for Linux. In the earliest `80 there were a couple of exploits ( not viruses!), but they dyed soon, when the kernel has changed. The creation of a virus is a complicate process, one has to know the exact target, what is almost impossible with the variety of kernels in the comps of the net. Linux is quickly evolving OS and this is understandable - say 2000 programmers in Richmond can not lead competition with 2 000 000 worldwide. I have been running different Linux distributions for some 6 years and I have always in my pocket a small CD 215 MB live CD to revive dead MS comps. Don`t get confused - use Linux! Best R.Slavov __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Warning to List Members
Hi All, My firewall just blocked a worm sent to me under the guise of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds like we´ve got ourselves a nasty troll. Take care. My firewall identifies it as W32/Lovgate AC worm the attachment was a message pif. Tom Irwin___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Warning to List Members
Hi, Friends, It seems to me all of you are intelligent persons, so I wonder why you are using Microsoft bullsh...? As far as it is well known, there is not such animal - virus or worm or Trojan - for Linux! For some time now there are several distribution of Live CD`s, which work even in an empty hard like Knoppix and many others! My OS is Slackware Linux 10.1 and I never had any problems in the net. And it is free of charge. The OppenOffice 1.1.4 office is well ahead of MS office - it opens files no matter which application is involved in the creation ( for example MS office XP can not open document written with MS office 97). Everything can be downloaded free from the net and the distributions are equipped with more than 2000 applications! All you need is to compile idconfig (the network connection) and you are free of problems. Me, personally, I do not have antivirus - I don`t need it. Try Linux! Best - R. Slavov Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Warning to List Members
Hi All, My firewall just blocked a worm sent to me under the guise of mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds like we´ve got ourselves a nasty troll. Take care. My firewall identifies it as W32/Lovgate AC worm the attachment was a message pif. Tom Irwin It's not a troll, it's just a new virus stealing people's email addresses from address books and emails on infected computers (MILLIONS of them) and using them as false sender's addresses, same as usual. I'm not infected, Journey to Forever isn't infected, and the list isn't infected either. Some people have reported receiving virus messages claiming to come from biofuel@sustainablelists.org, but they're also frauds, the list cannot distribute viruses. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Warning to List Members
I have heard of several viruses for Linux and apple stuff Ray J Rumen Slavov wrote: Hi, Friends, It seems to me all of you are intelligent persons, so I wonder why you are using Microsoft bullsh...? As far as it is well known, there is not such animal - virus or worm or Trojan - for Linux! For some time now there are several distribution of Live CD`s, which work even in an empty hard like Knoppix and many others! My OS is Slackware Linux 10.1 and I never had any problems in the net. And it is free of charge. The OppenOffice 1.1.4 office is well ahead of MS office - it opens files no matter which application is involved in the creation ( for example MS office XP can not open document written with MS office 97). Everything can be downloaded free from the net and the distributions are equipped with more than 2000 applications! All you need is to compile idconfig (the network connection) and you are free of problems. Me, personally, I do not have antivirus - I don`t need it. Try Linux! Best - R. Slavov Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Warning to List Members
I assure you that worms and viruses exist for linux. In fact, the first big Internet worm was a unix (almost identical to Linux) worm. Google Robert Morris. Ray J wrote: I have heard of several viruses for Linux and apple stuff Ray J Rumen Slavov wrote: Hi, Friends, It seems to me all of you are intelligent persons, so I wonder why you are using Microsoft bullsh...? As far as it is well known, there is not such animal - virus or worm or Trojan - for Linux! For some time now there are several distribution of Live CD`s, which work even in an empty hard like Knoppix and many others! My OS is Slackware Linux 10.1 and I never had any problems in the net. And it is free of charge. The OppenOffice 1.1.4 office is well ahead of MS office - it opens files no matter which application is involved in the creation ( for example MS office XP can not open document written with MS office 97). Everything can be downloaded free from the net and the distributions are equipped with more than 2000 applications! All you need is to compile idconfig (the network connection) and you are free of problems. Me, personally, I do not have antivirus - I don`t need it. Try Linux! Best - R. Slavov Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Warning to List Members
At present Linux viruses number less than 100. Since a lot of government entitiies are moving to Linux I assure you these numbers WILL change. A good article at: http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT3307459975.html here is the description of the article -- go to link to read. The virus threat to Linux by Jill RatkevicDo you really need to install antivirus software on your LinuxOS-based computer? You just might. The topic of computer viruses and Linux has caused considerable discussion in recent weeks. Mixed computing environments, servers, and growing market share all increase the risk of Linux as a target and vehicle for malicious viruses. DesktopLinux.com talks with CEO Keith Peer of top Linux antivirus vendor Central Command to discover where vulnerabilities exist, the cost to companies, and the growing interest in Linux from virus writers . . . I assure you that worms and viruses exist for linux. In fact, the first big Internet worm was a unix (almost identical to Linux) worm. Google Robert Morris.Ray J wrote:I have heard of several viruses for Linux and apple stuffRay JRumen Slavov wrote: Hi, Friends, It seems to me all of you are intelligent persons,so I wonder why you are using Microsoft bullsh...? Asfar as it is well known, there is not such animal -virus or worm or Trojan - for Linux! For some time nowthere are several distribution of Live CD`s, whichwork even in an empty hard like Knoppix and manyothers! My OS is Slackware Linux 10.1 and I never hadany problems in the net. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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It is one or more members of the list that got a virus and it is going through saved email and send to the addresses. It is a quite normal behavior from a virus. It will pick both receiver and sender, so it is very difficult to identify the computer who sends it, other than with the IP addresses. The list it safe, but it is a reason for everybody to check their computers. Personally I use Eudora, a free email client and also in my opinion the best, since it do not execute any attachments. Outlook is very dangerous and also have some Microsoft handles in it. I also use Norton and do very frequent virus scans and it scans my mail. I never open an attachment, I never open anything that is not expected and I am not sure of the origin and that it is safe. Even if a friend send an unexpected attachment, I ask him before I open it. I have friends who loves to send jokes and funny pictures around, but I never open them, since this is the sure way to get surprises. Hakan At 20:45 28/08/2005, you wrote: Hi All, My firewall just blocked a worm sent to me under the guise of mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:Keit [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds like we´ve got ourselves a nasty troll. Take care. My firewall identifies it as W32/Lovgate AC worm the attachment was a message pif. Tom Irwin It's not a troll, it's just a new virus stealing people's email addresses from address books and emails on infected computers (MILLIONS of them) and using them as false sender's addresses, same as usual. I'm not infected, Journey to Forever isn't infected, and the list isn't infected either. Some people have reported receiving virus messages claiming to come from biofuel@sustainablelists.org, but they're also frauds, the list cannot distribute viruses. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hi, this is why I use Linux as an operating system (as do some others on the list). Linux systems have none of the Microsoft 'hooks' that the most common virii use. I have noticed a few members are sending HTML emails. Could I request that everyone sends in plain text? (this is achieved by going into the email program setup and either turning off HTML or turning on 'text only', depending on the email client.) Hakan has given good advice with attachments. Well worth following. As an aside, it is now possible to run Linux from a CD/DVD, without a full system install. This means that if you wish, you can use Linux for browsing, email (But of course you would need to reload that other operating system to run some of the 'normal' programs, until you see the light realise that there are other options that are usually free as well). regards Doug On Monday 29 August 2005 6:46, Hakan Falk wrote: It is one or more members of the list that got a virus and it is going through saved email and send to the addresses. It is a quite normal ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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But don't get me wrong - I love Linux and we use it for almost all our servers and more than a few desktops along w/ OSX and some BSD. Kirk McLoren wrote: At present Linux viruses number less than 100. Since a lot of government entitiies are moving to Linux I assure you these numbers WILL change. A good article at: http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT3307459975.html here is the description of the article -- go to link to read. The virus threat to Linux by Jill Ratkevic Do you really need to install antivirus software on your LinuxOS-based computer? You just might. The topic of computer viruses and Linux has caused considerable discussion in recent weeks. Mixed computing environments, servers, and growing market share all increase the risk of Linux as a target and vehicle for malicious viruses. DesktopLinux.com talks with CEO Keith Peer of top Linux antivirus vendor Central Command to discover where vulnerabilities exist, the cost to companies, and the growing interest in Linux from virus writers . . . I assure you that worms and viruses exist for linux. In fact, the first big Internet worm was a unix (almost identical to Linux) worm. Google Robert Morris. Ray J wrote: I have heard of several viruses for Linux and apple stuff Ray J Rumen Slavov wrote: Hi, Friends, It seems to me all of you are intelligent persons, so I wonder why you are using Microsoft bullsh...? As far as it is well known, there is not such animal - virus or worm or Trojan - for Linux! For some time now there are several distribution of Live CD`s, which work even in an empty hard like Knoppix and many others! My OS is Slackware Linux 10.1 and I never had any problems in the net. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=34442/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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There aren't worms and viruses for linux per sa. In order for your linux box to get infected it has to offer services to the outside world and linux (the kernel) doesn't have services (ie: samba for windows interaction, apache for a web server, inetd for telent/ftp...). All those services are addons. Out of the box most distributions are closed to everything from the outside. You can't even ping the server. You have to explicitly turn services on and that's where you get worms. Keep your sevices up to date and you won't have problems. Now viruses. I think of viruses as something coming from an email. All email programs I know of with linux allow you to turn off javascript or don't even support it in email and you can't even execute a program or script that might have come on the email period. In order to execute it you would have to explicitly save it and then mark it as an executable to even run it. Even if you did all of that the worst thing you could do to your machine is wipe out your user id. Unless your running as root, which you absolutely shouldn't, the virus can't infect the computer. Out of the box Windows has many services running, listens on many ports that you don't even know of and most people run as the admin of the computer. Don't even mention IE. Mike Weaver wrote: I assure you that worms and viruses exist for linux. In fact, the first big Internet worm was a unix (almost identical to Linux) worm. Google Robert Morris. Ray J wrote: I have heard of several viruses for Linux and apple stuff Ray J Rumen Slavov wrote: Hi, Friends, It seems to me all of you are intelligent persons, so I wonder why you are using Microsoft bullsh...? As far as it is well known, there is not such animal - virus or worm or Trojan - for Linux! For some time now there are several distribution of Live CD`s, which work even in an empty hard like Knoppix and many others! My OS is Slackware Linux 10.1 and I never had any problems in the net. And it is free of charge. The OppenOffice 1.1.4 office is well ahead of MS office - it opens files no matter which application is involved in the creation ( for example MS office XP can not open document written with MS office 97). Everything can be downloaded free from the net and the distributions are equipped with more than 2000 applications! All you need is to compile idconfig (the network connection) and you are free of problems. Me, personally, I do not have antivirus - I don`t need it. Try Linux! Best - R. Slavov Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
