Re: [Biofuel] license to carry used veg oil
The state and FedGov.Inc are making incredible sums due the current price of petrol via taxes. I'm not surprised that indirect fees and fines are now being imposed on the everyday biodiesel, SVO and WVO crowd. I'm sure more draconian measures are in the works. FedGov.Inc never saw a tax it did not like. How dare everyday citizens take the bull by the horns and declare their energy independence!! More bad news. I met a gent at the Clean Air Expo in Phx a few weeks ago. He was driving a Carl's Jr. WVO Cummings diesel. There were two other smaller franchises in his association that were planning to turn their WVO into biodiesel for sale at their gas station / restaurants locations in CA and AZ. My suggestion is to get contracts for your WVO supplies now. The days of free WVO are coming to an end. That's the main reason I am doing Jatropha cultivation experiments. Best of Luck, JQ Daymi Henegar wrote: Hello! I am from California. Have been making biodiesel for several months, and loving it. Only problem is that in order to obtain a license to carry used veggie oil (any amount), from restaurants, you have to spend $175 for the actual license (not bad); but in order to get the license you must show proof of insurance on a commercial vehicle with $1,000,000 minimum liability! This becomes pricey. Does anyone have any ideas of how to get around this? Perhaps an AG license, since they are allowed to carry 100 gallons of diesel on the back of their trucks. It seems a bit ridiculous to me. Thanks We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49980/*http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49980/*http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] license to carry used veg oil
Hello Daymi, welcome Hello! I am from California. Have been making biodiesel for several months, and loving it. Only problem is that in order to obtain a license to carry used veggie oil (any amount), from restaurants, you have to spend $175 for the actual license (not bad); but in order to get the license you must show proof of insurance on a commercial vehicle with $1,000,000 minimum liability! This becomes pricey. Does anyone have any ideas of how to get around this? Perhaps an AG license, since they are allowed to carry 100 gallons of diesel on the back of their trucks. It seems a bit ridiculous to me. Thanks Third such tale I've heard in a week. Here's another one, also from California (name omitted): Hi Keith, ... I had a home visit from Food and Ag on 5/30/07. Was told to stop hauling oil from restaurants until I get a license $175. and $1,000,000. liability insurance. Needless to say, the cost of making BD just went sky high out of control. Being a one man operation, collecting about 50 gallons a month, the cost per gallon just went up past any pump price. The reason I am writing is to offer my name, and any help that may be needed by ANY political action group to work on getting the laws changed. I have time and energy to offer any political action group. If you or someone in your group knows of any groups who are active, I would like to make contact. Also do you know of any groups who have an oil collection hauling license and the insurance needed. There must be some way to beat this lopsided special interest law. Actually, I have some ideas on a state wide collection recycle system like aluminum cans and plastic bottles. Maybe this would appeal to the law makers. 8-) who knows,,, Anyway, I'm very willing to get involved with others to see if we can make some changes. Then there's this earlier message from Mike Weaver on 9 June: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg70172.html [Biofuel] Meanwhile, back in the US of A: A price to pay for alternative fuels Fines for non-payment of road taxes. Nothing new about the taxes issue, it first happened in the US in 2002, to Tom Leue of Yellow Biodiesel, and nothing or just about nothing since, AFAIK, until this. Is the California $175 licence a new ruling? I think we've heard of it before, but I don't think there've been many if any enforcements up to now. So who's suddenly stirring it up? I said here a couple of years back that homebrew/backyard/local/DIY whatever biodiesel - ie Appropriate Technology biodiesel - was already suitably out of control and it was too late to stop it. Nobody knew just who or how many people were making their own biodiesel nor how much fuel they were making, it all went under the radar. But even then it was easy to calculate that it was millions of gallons a year at least, just in the US, and millions of dollars lost to the likes of ExxonMobil in petrodiesel sales and to government in taxes. The movement had been growing steadily for five or six years, worldwide, but in the last couple of years it's spread like a weed, the growth rate must have been very steep. So maybe it's not going under the radar anymore. Big Soy (the NBB) doesn't like homebrewers either, for reasons they finally had to admit (here) were nonsense, but that didn't change their attitude much. And unprecedented billions in investment are pouring into renewable energy right now, but on the biodiesel front all these out-of-control hairy backyarders make the place look untidy. If this is the start of the general crackdown by the Big Guys that list members have been suffering periodic bouts of angst over for years, that would be vindication for the list members who said keep your head down, keep it clandestine, what people don't know won't hurt them. Anyway, it's not an issue Journey to Forever can take on, it's a US issue, but we're not US, we're global, and we're in Japan, so I can't help the person who wrote to me. But the list can take it on, if it wants to. Or US list members can get something together offlist if they like. I'll point the man who emailed me to this thread in the list archives. If anyone wants to get in touch with him email me offlist and I'll forward your message. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] license to carry used veg oil
Hello James The state and FedGov.Inc are making incredible sums due the current price of petrol via taxes. I'm not surprised that indirect fees and fines are now being imposed on the everyday biodiesel, SVO and WVO crowd. I'm sure more draconian measures are in the works. FedGov.Inc never saw a tax it did not like. How dare everyday citizens take the bull by the horns and declare their energy independence!! More bad news. I met a gent at the Clean Air Expo in Phx a few weeks ago. He was driving a Carl's Jr. WVO Cummings diesel. There were two other smaller franchises in his association that were planning to turn their WVO into biodiesel for sale at their gas station / restaurants locations in CA and AZ. My suggestion is to get contracts for your WVO supplies now. The days of free WVO are coming to an end. We've been hearing that for seven years now or more. On the other hand, it still seems that nobody, feds or whatever, even knows how much of the stuff there is yet - is it estimated at 3 billion gallons a year these days or 4 billion? And is maybe 10% still being collected or has it gone rocketing up to 11% yet? Anyway, waste collection and recycling turns out to be a local niche affair if you're going to push it up much higher than 10% - you have to go to the source, which in this case includes many small local outlets and just about everybody's home. Not something that Big Central excels at. Biodiesel, SVO and WVO aren't even really regarded as an energy issue in the US yet, still an agricultural issue (handouts for Big Soy). That's the main reason I am doing Jatropha cultivation experiments. LOL! Sorry, I don't think the best crop approach will help a lot, especially not when it turns out to be jatropha. Jatropha Yields claimed: 1590-2,350 kg oil/ha, 202-298 US gal/acre Yields achieved (India): 300-400 kg oil/ha, 38-51 US gal/acre Nobody in India has ever obtained more than 300 to 400 kg of oil per ha from Jatropha. - Dr. A.D. Karve, president of the Appropriate Rural Technology Institute (ARTI) in Maharashtra, India. About the same as soy. If you can get the seed out of the fruit, and the oil out of the seed, that is, and find something useful to do with the toxic seedcake other than the excellent organic fertiliser bit. Best Keith Best of Luck, JQ Daymi Henegar wrote: Hello! I am from California. Have been making biodiesel for several months, and loving it. Only problem is that in order to obtain a license to carry used veggie oil (any amount), from restaurants, you have to spend $175 for the actual license (not bad); but in order to get the license you must show proof of insurance on a commercial vehicle with $1,000,000 minimum liability! This becomes pricey. Does anyone have any ideas of how to get around this? Perhaps an AG license, since they are allowed to carry 100 gallons of diesel on the back of their trucks. It seems a bit ridiculous to me. Thanks ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] license to carry used veg oil
Simple. Don't carry waste oil. Collect and transport used vegetable oil. Agree to buy it for a minimal cost, and have the paperwork to prove it. It is then a second hand used 'product' and not waste. Joe Daymi Henegar wrote: Hello! I am from California. Have been making biodiesel for several months, and loving it. Only problem is that in order to obtain a license to carry used veggie oil (any amount), from restaurants, you have to spend $175 for the actual license (not bad); but in order to get the license you must show proof of insurance on a commercial vehicle with $1,000,000 minimum liability! This becomes pricey. Does anyone have any ideas of how to get around this? Perhaps an AG license, since they are allowed to carry 100 gallons of diesel on the back of their trucks. It seems a bit ridiculous to me. Thanks We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49980/*http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49980/*http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] license to carry used veg oil
Joe Street wrote: Simple. Don't carry waste oil. Collect and transport used vegetable oil. Agree to buy it for a minimal cost, and have the paperwork to prove it. It is then a second hand used 'product' and not waste. Joe This is the approach I'm attempting. In fact, I'm not trying to transport anything, any more than I would be bringing home retail peanut oil from a big box store. Trying to get the local renderer to sell me filtered oil, get a receipt, and file that receipt to the state w/a check for road use taxes. keep all the records. be very very difficult to prove any malfeasance. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] license to carry used veg oil
face it boys, BIG OIL IS behind all of this. same thing happens with micro-breweries when they start to cut into the bottom line. "we CANNOT afford for someone to save thousands from our BILLIONS". screw 'em, take all you want, don't declare it to anybody. put it in canola oil containers, tell them you have an eating disorder/ addiction to 'freedom fries'. From:Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject:Re: [Biofuel] license to carry used veg oilDate:Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:47:29 +0900Hello James The state and FedGov.Inc are making incredible sums due the current price of petrol via taxes.I'm not surprised that indirect fees and fines are now being imposed on the everyday biodiesel, SVO and WVO crowd.I'm sure more draconian measures are in the works. FedGov.Inc never saw a tax it did not like.How dare everyday citizens take the bull by the horns and declare their energy independence!! More bad news. I met a gent atthe "Clean Air Expo" in Phx a few weeks ago.He was driving a Carl's Jr. WVO Cummings diesel.There were two other smaller franchises in hisassociation that were planning to turn their WVO into biodiesel for sale at their gas station / restaurants locations in CA and AZ. My suggestion is to get contracts for your WVO supplies now.The days of free WVO are coming to an end.We've been hearing that for seven years now or more. On the otherhand, it still seems that nobody, feds or whatever, even knows howmuch of the stuff there is yet - is it estimated at 3 billion gallonsa year these days or 4 billion? And is maybe 10% still beingcollected or has it gone rocketing up to 11% yet?Anyway, waste collection and recycling turns out to be a local nicheaffair if you're going to push it up much higher than 10% - you haveto go to the source, which in this case includes many small localoutlets and just about everybody's home. Not something that BigCentral excels at.Biodiesel, SVO and WVO aren't even really regarded as an energy issuein the US yet, still an agricultural issue (handouts for Big Soy). That's the main reason I am doing Jatropha cultivation experiments.LOL!Sorry, I don't think the "best crop" approach will help a lot,especially not when it turns out to be jatropha.JatrophaYields claimed: 1590-2,350 kg oil/ha, 202-298 US gal/acreYields achieved (India): 300-400 kg oil/ha, 38-51 US gal/acre"Nobody in India has ever obtained more than 300 to 400 kg of oil perha from Jatropha." - Dr. A.D. Karve, president of the AppropriateRural Technology Institute (ARTI) in Maharashtra, India.About the same as soy. If you can get the seed out of the fruit, andthe oil out of the seed, that is, and find something useful to dowith the toxic seedcake other than the "excellent organic fertiliser"bit.BestKeith Best of Luck, JQ Daymi Henegar wrote: Hello! I am from California.Have been making biodiesel for several months, and loving it.Only problem is that in order to obtain a license to carry used veggie oil (any amount), from restaurants, you have to spend $175 for the actual license (not bad); but in order to get the license you must show proof of insurance on a commercial vehicle with $1,000,000 minimum liability!This becomes pricey.Does anyone have any ideas of how to get around this?Perhaps an AG license, since they are allowed to carry 100 gallons of diesel on the back of their trucks.It seems a bit ridiculous to me.Thanks___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] license to carry used veg oil
I think the key here is to call it food. Same goes for storing it on your property. I have said it here before, as far as I know there is no problem with stockpiling food anywhere. Likewise the glycerine is not waste but rather co-product, for soapmaking or compost. Speaking of which I saw a compost pile just recently that was about 2m high and maybe 3m in diameter which was smoking hot and all it was made from was shredded bark mixed with about 2000 litres of unsplit glycerin cocktail. So it's true eh? Size DOES matter! ;^ Joe Fred Oliff wrote: face it boys, BIG OIL IS behind all of this. same thing happens with micro-breweries when they start to cut into the bottom line. we CANNOT afford for someone to save thousands from our BILLIONS. screw 'em, take all you want, don't declare it to anybody. put it in canola oil containers, tell them you have an eating disorder/ addiction to 'freedom fries'. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] license to carry used veg oil
I think the key here is to call it food. Same goes for storing it on your property. I have said it here before, as far as I know there is no problem with stockpiling food anywhere. Likewise the glycerine is not waste but rather co-product, for soapmaking or compost. Speaking of which I saw a compost pile just recently that was about 2m high and maybe 3m in diameter which was smoking hot and all it was made from was shredded bark mixed with about 2000 litres of unsplit glycerin cocktail. So it's true eh? Size DOES matter! :-) On the other hand, I sometimes make about 1 cub ft of compost in a small box and it hits 65 deg C (149F). That's an interesting mix though. Shredded bark doesn't usually contain a lot of N, mostly C. The FFA contains quite a lot of N though, enough it seems, though I wouldn't have thought soap was the best form for it, but size does help in such cases. I wonder how long it will take to finish, needs a few turns maybe. It might not help a lot calling WVO something different, officials usually insist on their own definitions. If they really want to crack down on homebrewers, evading one law still leaves them plenty of others to choose from (especially with food). They'll always find a way of making life difficult if they want to. Best Keith ;^ Joe Fred Oliff wrote: face it boys, BIG OIL IS behind all of this. same thing happens with micro-breweries when they start to cut into the bottom line. we CANNOT afford for someone to save thousands from our BILLIONS. screw 'em, take all you want, don't declare it to anybody. put it in canola oil containers, tell them you have an eating disorder/ addiction to 'freedom fries'. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] license to carry used veg oil
Hello! I am from California. Have been making biodiesel for several months, and loving it. Only problem is that in order to obtain a license to carry used veggie oil (any amount), from restaurants, you have to spend $175 for the actual license (not bad); but in order to get the license you must show proof of insurance on a commercial vehicle with $1,000,000 minimum liability! This becomes pricey. Does anyone have any ideas of how to get around this? Perhaps an AG license, since they are allowed to carry 100 gallons of diesel on the back of their trucks. It seems a bit ridiculous to me. Thanks - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
