[biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
I have read about sewage plants that use thick rubber bladders with slits in them. when compressed air is put in the slitss open up and bubble, but when the air quits the slits close so there is no back flow - sort of a check valve. maybe you could use the bicycle valve of the sort that they use in Japan, which is a rubber tube over a balll needle type tube. It might also work to try using a rubber ball with a lot of holes or slits in it. I would recommend a ball with no filament winding. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, Thanks for the offer but I think I will try out my idea just to see if it will work. Chris =-Original Message- =From: Dan Maker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 9:50 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly = = =Tan said: = = Thanks for the numerous response but I have to ask again. = Could a basketball pin(used for inflating balls) be used to =deliver a jet of = air/bubbles to a wash tank if powered by a strong enough pump, let's say = portable tire air pumps? = =It could work, I'd think. But it would not work as well as the other =methods that have been discused. = = You see where I live its hard to find the parts you described. = =If you are in the US I'm sure McMaster-Carr will ship to you. I don't =know what their international shipping policy is, but I'd be glad to act =as an intermediary if that's a problem. Have it shipped to me, then I =could re-ship it to you. I've dealt with shipping small items =internationally and it's not that difficult. = =Dan =-- =Jack of all trades, master of none. =Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker =http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
You can poke holes in a plastic tube with a pin to make a bubbler. with the ball inflator pin you're likely to get too much agitation and make emulsion. mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, the_maniacal_engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have read about sewage plants that use thick rubber bladders with slits in them. when compressed air is put in the slitss open up and bubble, but when the air quits the slits close so there is no back flow - sort of a check valve. maybe you could use the bicycle valve of the sort that they use in Japan, which is a rubber tube over a balll needle type tube. It might also work to try using a rubber ball with a lot of holes or slits in it. I would recommend a ball with no filament winding. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, Thanks for the offer but I think I will try out my idea just to see if it will work. Chris =-Original Message- =From: Dan Maker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 9:50 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly = = =Tan said: = = Thanks for the numerous response but I have to ask again. = Could a basketball pin(used for inflating balls) be used to =deliver a jet of = air/bubbles to a wash tank if powered by a strong enough pump, let's say = portable tire air pumps? = =It could work, I'd think. But it would not work as well as the other =methods that have been discused. = = You see where I live its hard to find the parts you described. = =If you are in the US I'm sure McMaster-Carr will ship to you. I don't =know what their international shipping policy is, but I'd be glad to act =as an intermediary if that's a problem. Have it shipped to me, then I =could re-ship it to you. I've dealt with shipping small items =internationally and it's not that difficult. = =Dan =-- =Jack of all trades, master of none. =Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker =http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
Where do you live? The parts that Dan listed From McMaster-Carr orderable and listed here:
RE: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
Dan, Thanks for the offer but I think I will try out my idea just to see if it will work. Chris =-Original Message- =From: Dan Maker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 9:50 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly = = =Tan said: = = Thanks for the numerous response but I have to ask again. = Could a basketball pin(used for inflating balls) be used to =deliver a jet of = air/bubbles to a wash tank if powered by a strong enough pump, let's say = portable tire air pumps? = =It could work, I'd think. But it would not work as well as the other =methods that have been discused. = = You see where I live its hard to find the parts you described. = =If you are in the US I'm sure McMaster-Carr will ship to you. I don't =know what their international shipping policy is, but I'd be glad to act =as an intermediary if that's a problem. Have it shipped to me, then I =could re-ship it to you. I've dealt with shipping small items =internationally and it's not that difficult. = =Dan =-- =Jack of all trades, master of none. =Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker =http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
Tan said: Thanks for the numerous response but I have to ask again. Could a basketball pin(used for inflating balls) be used to deliver a jet of air/bubbles to a wash tank if powered by a strong enough pump, let's say portable tire air pumps? It could work, I'd think. But it would not work as well as the other methods that have been discused. You see where I live its hard to find the parts you described. If you are in the US I'm sure McMaster-Carr will ship to you. I don't know what their international shipping policy is, but I'd be glad to act as an intermediary if that's a problem. Have it shipped to me, then I could re-ship it to you. I've dealt with shipping small items internationally and it's not that difficult. Dan -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
James Slayden said: Is Mark going Corp?!! ;-) hrmmm, stainless steel . Actually the same thing could be done with black steel, if someone could find the mufflers in stainless. I have yet to find them. http://www.mcmaster.com/ Look for Type 316 Stainless Steel Exhaust Muffler/Filters They have them, so I'm sure others do too. Type 316 Stainless Steel Exhaust Muffler/Filters . Maximum Pressure: 125 psi . Maximum Temperature: 300ยก F . Filtration: 80 microns Specially made to perform in corrosive environments, these Type 316 stainless steel units reduce exhaust noise by 17-22 decibels. Connections: NPT male. PipeMax. cfm Size@ 90 psiHeight Dia.PN Each 1/831 1 1/24402K11 $5.94 1/453 1 1/4 5/84402K12 6.19 3/876 1 1/2 3/44402K13 7.44 1/2109 2 1/4 15/16 4402K14 10.31 3/4131 2 3/4 1 1/8 4402K15 31.61 1 162 3 1/4 1 3/8 4402K16 44.50 -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
James Slayden said: So, I am going to eat crow as I looked up Dan's Reference and it is the part that one would use to do the bubbler in stainless steel. =) Glad to help, sorry, I just reposted all that info too. Thanks Dan, I really searched for one and couldn't find it. Actually, the stainless steel ones are about the same price as the bronze; $6.19 for the 1/4, and $10.31 for the 1/2. Not too much of a budget breaker. I guess Mark gets to keep her ludite status. ;-) Now for those stainless steel water heaters and drums not to mention stainless plumming. aye, there's the trick. I've been working on that a bit but haven't found an easy or inexpensive solution yet. Dan -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
Appal Energy said: Actually? :-) To be precise? (chuckle, chuckle...) Air is more or less comprised of: Nitrogen, N2, 78.084% Oxygen, O2, 20.947% snip heh, I was to lazy when I typed that message to look up the numbers, but yeah. Mostly Nitrogen. Cheers, Dan -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
Wasn't it 23% 50 years ago? Alex Dan Maker wrote: Appal Energy said: Actually? :-) To be precise? (chuckle, chuckle...) Air is more or less comprised of: Nitrogen, N2, 78.084% Oxygen, O2, 20.947% snip heh, I was to lazy when I typed that message to look up the numbers, but yeah. Mostly Nitrogen. Cheers, Dan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
brass, biodiesel, and air bubbles is a terrible combination. Brass contains copper and zinc, both catalysts for oxidation (I think) of biodiesel. Air bubbling is one way to speed up breakdown of biodiesel as well, very quickly. go stainless. mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ask Ken Provost about his better longer lasting bubbler. I use it now and it works great. For some reason I was also using standard bubblers that would degrade quite rapidly with BD contact, then I transitioned to Ken's design which is all brass. James Slayden On Sun, 23 Nov 2003, Tan wrote: Keith, It seems my bubble stones clog up with soap and sometimes with bd. A basketball pin (I think that's what it's called) is the thin metal tube you insert into a basketball or any other ball to inflate it. I'm thinking that to make a jet of air in water, a strong pump is needed. But perhaps you are right. I might be an over kill and I may end up with biodiesel icing. =) Thanks, Chris =-Original Message- =From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:16 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bubble Wash Assembly = = =Hello Chris = =Hi all: = =Could you give your input on this? = =How about using a basketball pin and a portable air compressor (the kind =used to inflate tires) to deliver a jet of air into a bd wash tank? = =Sounds like severe overkill. But I don't know what a basketball pin is. = =I found =that using aquarium type bubble stones tend to clog up after a few wash. = =Clog up with what? = =Best = =Keith = = = =Do =you think this idea could work? = =Thanks, = =Chris = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
skillshare said: brass, biodiesel, and air bubbles is a terrible combination. Brass contains copper and zinc, both catalysts for oxidation (I think) of biodiesel. Air bubbling is one way to speed up breakdown of biodiesel as well, very quickly. go stainless. I've seen the same sort of air difuser/mufflers made from stainless. Type 316 Stainless Steel Exhaust Muffler/Filters from McMaster-Carr ( http://www.mcmaster.com/ ) That's what I've been thinking of using. Dan -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
so what would be a good gas to bubble through the biodiesel. Nitrogen does not strike me as a good one to use around glycerine, and Hydrogen would saturate any unsaturated biodiesel? Fred On Tuesday, Nov 25, 2003, at 14:07 US/Eastern, skillshare wrote: brass, biodiesel, and air bubbles is a terrible combination. Brass contains copper and zinc, both catalysts for oxidation (I think) of biodiesel. Air bubbling is one way to speed up breakdown of biodiesel as well, very quickly. go stainless. mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ask Ken Provost about his better longer lasting bubbler. I use it now and it works great. For some reason I was also using standard bubblers that would degrade quite rapidly with BD contact, then I transitioned to Ken's design which is all brass. James Slayden On Sun, 23 Nov 2003, Tan wrote: Keith, It seems my bubble stones clog up with soap and sometimes with bd. A basketball pin (I think that's what it's called) is the thin metal tube you insert into a basketball or any other ball to inflate it. I'm thinking that to make a jet of air in water, a strong pump is needed. But perhaps you are right. I might be an over kill and I may end up with biodiesel icing. =) Thanks, Chris =-Original Message- =From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:16 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bubble Wash Assembly = = =Hello Chris = =Hi all: = =Could you give your input on this? = =How about using a basketball pin and a portable air compressor (the kind =used to inflate tires) to deliver a jet of air into a bd wash tank? = =Sounds like severe overkill. But I don't know what a basketball pin is. = =I found =that using aquarium type bubble stones tend to clog up after a few wash. = =Clog up with what? = =Best = =Keith = = = =Do =you think this idea could work? = =Thanks, = =Chris = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
on 11/25/03 1:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so what would be a good gas to bubble through the biodiesel. Nitrogen does not strike me as a good one to use around glycerine, and Hydrogen would saturate any unsaturated biodiesel? Let's not get TOO obsessive-compulsive, here Air is OK -- unless you have a lot of linolenic acid in there (y'know, you tried to make your biodiesel out of a DRYING oil, fer chrissakes!) Nitroglycerine is not the same as nitrogen plus glycerine. Assuming the usual frying oils, I've never noticed a lot of polymer formation during my bubble washes (sheesh). Stainless would be better, N2 would be better, but I'm trying to do this down-on-the-farm style. -K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
Fred, Mark already gave you the answer, it's not a matter of changing the gas, but one of changing the metal that the difuser is made from. Earlier today I posted a message saying that stainless steel difusers can be gotten, and gave McMaster - Carr as a source. BTW, air, like we breath and use for bubble washing, is primarily nitrogen so it would seem that bubbling nitrogen through bd doesn't cause any problems. Dan so what would be a good gas to bubble through the biodiesel. Nitrogen brass, biodiesel, and air bubbles is a terrible combination. Brass SNIP as well, very quickly. go stainless. -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
Is Mark going Corp?!! ;-) hrmmm, stainless steel . Actually the same thing could be done with black steel, if someone could find the mufflers in stainless. I have yet to find them. James Slayden On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Ken Provost wrote: on 11/25/03 1:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so what would be a good gas to bubble through the biodiesel. Nitrogen does not strike me as a good one to use around glycerine, and Hydrogen would saturate any unsaturated biodiesel? Let's not get TOO obsessive-compulsive, here Air is OK -- unless you have a lot of linolenic acid in there (y'know, you tried to make your biodiesel out of a DRYING oil, fer chrissakes!) Nitroglycerine is not the same as nitrogen plus glycerine. Assuming the usual frying oils, I've never noticed a lot of polymer formation during my bubble washes (sheesh). Stainless would be better, N2 would be better, but I'm trying to do this down-on-the-farm style. -K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
So, I am going to eat crow as I looked up Dan's Reference and it is the part that one would use to do the bubbler in stainless steel. =) Thanks Dan, I really searched for one and couldn't find it. Actually, the stainless steel ones are about the same price as the bronze; $6.19 for the 1/4, and $10.31 for the 1/2. Not too much of a budget breaker. I guess Mark gets to keep her ludite status. ;-) Now for those stainless steel water heaters and drums not to mention stainless plumming. James Slayden On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Dan Maker wrote: skillshare said: brass, biodiesel, and air bubbles is a terrible combination. Brass contains copper and zinc, both catalysts for oxidation (I think) of biodiesel. Air bubbling is one way to speed up breakdown of biodiesel as well, very quickly. go stainless. I've seen the same sort of air difuser/mufflers made from stainless. Type 316 Stainless Steel Exhaust Muffler/Filters from McMaster-Carr ( http://www.mcmaster.com/ ) That's what I've been thinking of using. Dan -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
It is extremely doubtful that a 5 minute circulation of dehumidified, ambient temperature air through biodiesel as a last finishing step is going to set off oxidation to any appreciable degree. You have your choice of just warming the fuel and letting water settle (which, may anyone remind you, the deeper the tank, the longer the settling time) or pulling those last increments of invisible water (even though the fuel appears clear) with warmed microbubbles the size of beer fizz. You might also care to note that not only is the fuel going to be utilized before any oxidation becomes remotely problematic, but air is essentially free in comparison to inert gasses. The dehumidification is not entirely so. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly so what would be a good gas to bubble through the biodiesel. Nitrogen does not strike me as a good one to use around glycerine, and Hydrogen would saturate any unsaturated biodiesel? Fred On Tuesday, Nov 25, 2003, at 14:07 US/Eastern, skillshare wrote: brass, biodiesel, and air bubbles is a terrible combination. Brass contains copper and zinc, both catalysts for oxidation (I think) of biodiesel. Air bubbling is one way to speed up breakdown of biodiesel as well, very quickly. go stainless. mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ask Ken Provost about his better longer lasting bubbler. I use it now and it works great. For some reason I was also using standard bubblers that would degrade quite rapidly with BD contact, then I transitioned to Ken's design which is all brass. James Slayden On Sun, 23 Nov 2003, Tan wrote: Keith, It seems my bubble stones clog up with soap and sometimes with bd. A basketball pin (I think that's what it's called) is the thin metal tube you insert into a basketball or any other ball to inflate it. I'm thinking that to make a jet of air in water, a strong pump is needed. But perhaps you are right. I might be an over kill and I may end up with biodiesel icing. =) Thanks, Chris =-Original Message- =From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:16 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bubble Wash Assembly = = =Hello Chris = =Hi all: = =Could you give your input on this? = =How about using a basketball pin and a portable air compressor (the kind =used to inflate tires) to deliver a jet of air into a bd wash tank? = =Sounds like severe overkill. But I don't know what a basketball pin is. = =I found =that using aquarium type bubble stones tend to clog up after a few wash. = =Clog up with what? = =Best = =Keith = = = =Do =you think this idea could work? = =Thanks, = =Chris = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
Dan, BTW, air, like we breath and use for bubble washing, is primarily nitrogen so it would seem that bubbling nitrogen through bd doesn't cause any problems. Actually? :-) To be precise? (chuckle, chuckle...) Air is more or less comprised of: Nitrogen, N2, 78.084% Oxygen, O2, 20.947% Argon, Ar, 0.934% Carbon Dioxide, CO2, 0.033% Neon, Ne, 18.2 parts per million Helium, He, 5.2 parts per million Krypton, Kr, 1.1 parts per million Sulfur dioxide, SO2, 1.0 parts per million Methane, CH4, 2.0 parts per million Hydrogen, H2, 0.5 parts per million Nitrous Oxide, N2O, 0.5 parts per million Xenon, Xe, 0.09 parts per million Ozone, O3, 0.07 parts per million Nitrogen dioxide, NO2, 0.02 parts per million Iodine, I2, 0.01 parts per million Carbon monoxide, CO, trace Ammonia, NH3, trace Signed..., The Happy Hippie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
Is Mark going Corp?!! ;-) hrmmm, stainless steel . Come on James. If shade-treers can't pony up a little capital for improved systems, they need to vacate the wrap-around porch and start sipping their tea indoors. It's a matter of both environment and utility. Certainly not profit if one starts moving towards stainless steel. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly Is Mark going Corp?!! ;-) hrmmm, stainless steel . Actually the same thing could be done with black steel, if someone could find the mufflers in stainless. I have yet to find them. James Slayden On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Ken Provost wrote: on 11/25/03 1:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so what would be a good gas to bubble through the biodiesel. Nitrogen does not strike me as a good one to use around glycerine, and Hydrogen would saturate any unsaturated biodiesel? Let's not get TOO obsessive-compulsive, here Air is OK -- unless you have a lot of linolenic acid in there (y'know, you tried to make your biodiesel out of a DRYING oil, fer chrissakes!) Nitroglycerine is not the same as nitrogen plus glycerine. Assuming the usual frying oils, I've never noticed a lot of polymer formation during my bubble washes (sheesh). Stainless would be better, N2 would be better, but I'm trying to do this down-on-the-farm style. -K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
If it's five minutes. I've doen drying with air before and it took 24
hours, and I think most peole would do it this way. But tests that
they've done for oils (search for peroxidation and biodiesel, I
think one of these comes up) shows major changes within a few
hours of bubbling, which means that my drying I did last winter
probably also had this effect (polymerisatin?) (what happens to
oils and what happens to biodiesel is considered failrly similar I
believe)
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is extremely doubtful that a 5 minute circulation of
dehumidified,
ambient temperature air through biodiesel as a last finishing
step is going
to set off oxidation to any appreciable degree.
You have your choice of just warming the fuel and letting water
settle
(which, may anyone remind you, the deeper the tank, the
longer the settling
time) or pulling those last increments of invisible water (even
though the
fuel appears clear) with warmed microbubbles the size of
beer fizz.
You might also care to note that not only is the fuel going to be
utilized
before any oxidation becomes remotely problematic, but air is
essentially
free in comparison to inert gasses. The dehumidification is
not entirely
so.
Todd Swearingen
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
so what would be a good gas to bubble through the
biodiesel. Nitrogen
does not strike me as a good one to use around glycerine,
and Hydrogen
would saturate any unsaturated biodiesel?
Fred
On Tuesday, Nov 25, 2003, at 14:07 US/Eastern, skillshare
wrote:
brass, biodiesel, and air bubbles is a terrible combination.
Brass
contains copper and zinc, both catalysts for oxidation (I
think) of
biodiesel. Air bubbling is one way to speed up breakdown
of biodiesel
as well, very quickly. go stainless.
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, James Slayden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ask Ken Provost about his better longer lasting bubbler. I
use it
now and
it works great. For some reason I was also using
standard bubblers
that
would degrade quite rapidly with BD contact, then I
transitioned to
Ken's
design which is all brass.
James Slayden
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003, Tan wrote:
Keith,
It seems my bubble stones clog up with soap and
sometimes with bd.
A basketball pin (I think that's what it's called) is the thin
metal tube
you insert into a basketball or any other ball to inflate it.
I'm thinking that to make a jet of air in water, a strong
pump is
needed.
But perhaps you are right. I might be an over kill and I
may end
up with
biodiesel icing. =)
Thanks,
Chris
=-Original Message-
=From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
=Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:16 AM
=To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
=Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bubble Wash Assembly
=
=
=Hello Chris
=
=Hi all:
=
=Could you give your input on this?
=
=How about using a basketball pin and a portable air
compressor
(the kind
=used to inflate tires) to deliver a jet of air into a bd
wash
tank?
=
=Sounds like severe overkill. But I don't know what a
basketball
pin is.
=
=I found
=that using aquarium type bubble stones tend to clog
up after a
few wash.
=
=Clog up with what?
=
=Best
=
=Keith
=
=
=
=Do
=you think this idea could work?
=
=Thanks,
=
=Chris
=
=
=
=Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
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