Re: [biofuel] THE HOT MOVIE
Greg, Your timeline is a bit off. Remember he was in Air Force One, and flying back to Washington D.C. ( not when he was reading to the kids ), when they finally figured out it was a terrorist attack That's not correct. He was informed at 9:06 AM that A second plane hit the other tower, and America's under attack. He had been in Sandra Kay Daniels' second-grade class for three minutes when informed of this. While still at Booker Elementary, Mr. Bush gives a brief statement that includes Today we've had a national tragedy. Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center in an apparent terrorist attack on our country He was also informed of the Pentagon attack moments before his motorcade arrived at Air Force One at 9:43. So no, Bush knew that the attacks were deliberate long before he was airborn, first to Louisiana, and certainly well before he ever began any homeward leg to DC. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] THE HOT MOVIE - Original Message - From: Appal Energy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 17:43 Subject: Re: [biofuel] THE HOT MOVIE Richard, Don't you think that there is something problematic with a president who sits for 7 minutes and continues to read about goats to children when bombs (or airplanes) are exploding within his country? What if those two planes had only been the first of an entire wave? Think that those wasted seven minutes could have been used in a more efficient manner? Hell. He had no way of knowing that they weren't the beginning of the end of the world. Let's look at it from a slightly different perspective. It wasn't until he was finally on they back in Air Force One that there was confirmation that it was a deliberate attack, and not an accident as most of the country thought it was. How was he to know at the time he was reading to the children, that it was an attack upon the country, when he was first told that an A large aircraft has crashed into on of the World trade towers . If it was me, and I was told those words, I would have finished reading to the kids, then left ASAP to cover the accident from the White House. As it was his visit to the school was to be at least 1/2 an hour longer, and some sources have said that it was supposed to be a full hour longer. Remember he was in Air Force One, and flying back to Washington D.C. ( not when he was reading to the kids ), when they finally figured out it was a terrorist attack and that is why it was diverted and he spent all that time in a secret location. Remember, everyone first thought it was a freak, but, terrible accident, and under those conditions, I can understand, why he continued to read to the kids, to show the children some normalcy, and not scare the kids, by leaving in a huff, in the middle of a book he was reading. I would have done the same. Yes hindsight is 20/20, but at the time, conditions, and with the best information everyone had, everyone was operating was operating the best they could.Sure, had he 20 minutes of information or warning, that the world trade center, was the target, of mad men, at the controls of a airliners, then yes, he would have moved allot faster, but given the information he had, I don't blame him one bit for doing what he did. Like I said before, given the same information, about it being an accident, I would have done the same. Come to think of it, I did much the same, my sister called and told me about the accident, and it was another 5-10 minutes before I finished what I was doing, and then got around to turning on the TV. Greg H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] THE HOT MOVIE
I know my time line was off, I remembered after I hit the send. I was thinking about the 4th plane. See my second post.
Re: [biofuel] THE HOT MOVIE
Richard, Don't you think that there is something problematic with a president who sits for 7 minutes and continues to read about goats to children when bombs (or airplanes) are exploding within his country? What if those two planes had only been the first of an entire wave? Think that those wasted seven minutes could have been used in a more efficient manner? Hell. He had no way of knowing that they weren't the beginning of the end of the world. Or perhaps that's just it. With his peculiarly twisted bent on Christianity and the end times, maybe that's exactly why he wasn't pulsed in the least. Too damned bad he discounted the rest of the nation that he swore to serve in lieu of his mulling things over. In the military it's called dereliction of duty, and depending upon the severity, punishable with prison time. Can I get an Amen? Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: RICHARD BOGRAD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 4:40 PM Subject: [biofuel] THE HOT MOVIE The conversations and accusations are flying around, so I thought I would post an article I received from a humor writer which may help someone put this whole discussion in perspective. Enjoy. Dick THIS WEEK'S COLUMN: THE HOT MOVIE THAT'S BURNING BUSH Michael Moore's documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 has already set records at the box office, treating moviegoers to a scathing attack on President Bush and his co-architects in the war on terrorism. If you hate Bush, you will absolutely love this movie, which probably explains why so many people are eager to dub the movie into Arabic. Not to mention French, Spanish, German, Russian, Mandarin, Hindi, Tonga, Swahili and (please insert your native language here). As much as I love to bash the president, I have misgivings about this movie. It's a rather one-sided presentation of facts, designed to get Americans to ask a serious question about their president, a question that has been asked countless times in other countries: How did this idiot get elected? But Bush is hardly an idiot and if you don't believe me, just ask the woman who dresses him. She will tell you that he's quite capable at what he does, leading America against the forces of evil, who are involved in all sorts of mischief these days, even producing award-winning documentaries. While Fahrenheit 9/11 is certainly compelling, it's important to ask ourselves how fair it is. For example, Moore shows us what Bush did on Sept. 11 after learning that a second plane had hit the twin towers: He continued reading a book called My Pet Goat to a group of schoolchildren for almost seven minutes. In other words, he didn't do what most Americans would expect of him in this moment of crisis: Jump out of his chair, grab a phone and say, Hey Dick, what the heck should I do? What people don't realize, however, is that the president is an expert multi-tasker. The demands of his job often dictate that he perform several tasks at once, sometimes even using both sides of his brain. In those seven minutes of seemingly casual reading, he had not only planned the wars on Afghanistan and Iraq, but also determined, through a highly analytical process, what he was going to have for lunch. Moore also shows us that despite the involvement of at least 15 Saudi Arabian natives in the Sept. 11 attacks, the Bush Administration allowed a number of Saudis, including the extended family of Osama bin Laden, to charter planes and leave America soon after the terrorist attacks. Of course, there is a logical explanation for this. And as soon as I find it, I will let you know. Moore and other critics of the Bush Administration seem to imply that the Saudis were allowed to leave America unquestioned. But that's not true at all. Before boarding their planes, all of them were asked the all-important question: Did you pack your bags yourself? And all of them gave the correct answer: Of course not. We have maids for that! Citing a figure from the Washington Post, Moore charges that Bush spent 42% of the first seven months of his presidency on vacation, implying that he was ill-prepared to prevent the terrorist attacks. There are two problems with this argument. First, Bush took what he calls working vacations. He didn't just sit around -- he WORKED on his golf swing. Second, the 42% figure includes weekends. Most Americans do not think of their weekends as vacations. Even when they get a Friday or Monday off, they call it a long weekend, not a short vacation. If ordinary Americans can get four weekends a month, surely the president is entitled to six or seven. But this kind of logical reasoning seems to escape Moore, perhaps because he doesn't have the intellectual capacity of President Bush. In fact, we can be reasonably certain that Moore, in his entire adulthood, has never even read My Pet Goat
Re[2]: [biofuel] THE HOT MOVIE
Hallo Todd, You get both an AMEN and a Happy Happy as well. :o) Gustl Friday, 02 July, 2004, 19:43:08, you wrote: AE Richard, AE Don't you think that there is something problematic with a president who AE sits for 7 minutes and continues to read about goats to children when bombs AE (or airplanes) are exploding within his country? AE What if those two planes had only been the first of an entire wave? AE Think that those wasted seven minutes could have been used in a more AE efficient manner? AE Hell. He had no way of knowing that they weren't the beginning of the end of AE the world. AE Or perhaps that's just it. With his peculiarly twisted bent on Christianity AE and the end times, maybe that's exactly why he wasn't pulsed in the least. AE Too damned bad he discounted the rest of the nation that he swore to serve AE in lieu of his mulling things over. AE In the military it's called dereliction of duty, and depending upon the AE severity, punishable with prison time. AE Can I get an Amen? AE Todd Swearingen -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] THE HOT MOVIE
You get both an AMEN and a Happy Happy as well. :o) Damn!!! And I didn't even have to buy a lottery ticket to do so. No reason not to keep batting 1,000 on that score 'til I breath me last. Lottery. A tax on people who can't do the math? I know. I don't think so either. Classist? No. There has to be term for those have not had the opportunity for education to figure out those odds. Problem is that everyone knows better but even the damned doctorates are playing for the pig in the poke as if they've got a needle protruding from their arm.. Yahhh. Happy Happys all around Me - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Appal Energy biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 8:40 PM Subject: Re[2]: [biofuel] THE HOT MOVIE Hallo Todd, You get both an AMEN and a Happy Happy as well. :o) Gustl Friday, 02 July, 2004, 19:43:08, you wrote: AE Richard, AE Don't you think that there is something problematic with a president who AE sits for 7 minutes and continues to read about goats to children when bombs AE (or airplanes) are exploding within his country? AE What if those two planes had only been the first of an entire wave? AE Think that those wasted seven minutes could have been used in a more AE efficient manner? AE Hell. He had no way of knowing that they weren't the beginning of the end of AE the world. AE Or perhaps that's just it. With his peculiarly twisted bent on Christianity AE and the end times, maybe that's exactly why he wasn't pulsed in the least. AE Too damned bad he discounted the rest of the nation that he swore to serve AE in lieu of his mulling things over. AE In the military it's called dereliction of duty, and depending upon the AE severity, punishable with prison time. AE Can I get an Amen? AE Todd Swearingen -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] THE HOT MOVIE
- Original Message - From: Appal Energy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 17:43 Subject: Re: [biofuel] THE HOT MOVIE Richard, Don't you think that there is something problematic with a president who sits for 7 minutes and continues to read about goats to children when bombs (or airplanes) are exploding within his country? What if those two planes had only been the first of an entire wave? Think that those wasted seven minutes could have been used in a more efficient manner? Hell. He had no way of knowing that they weren't the beginning of the end of the world. Let's look at it from a slightly different perspective. It wasn't until he was finally on they back in Air Force One that there was confirmation that it was a deliberate attack, and not an accident as most of the country thought it was. How was he to know at the time he was reading to the children, that it was an attack upon the country, when he was first told that an A large aircraft has crashed into on of the World trade towers . If it was me, and I was told those words, I would have finished reading to the kids, then left ASAP to cover the accident from the White House. As it was his visit to the school was to be at least 1/2 an hour longer, and some sources have said that it was supposed to be a full hour longer. Remember he was in Air Force One, and flying back to Washington D.C. ( not when he was reading to the kids ), when they finally figured out it was a terrorist attack and that is why it was diverted and he spent all that time in a secret location. Remember, everyone first thought it was a freak, but, terrible accident, and under those conditions, I can understand, why he continued to read to the kids, to show the children some normalcy, and not scare the kids, by leaving in a huff, in the middle of a book he was reading. I would have done the same. Yes hindsight is 20/20, but at the time, conditions, and with the best information everyone had, everyone was operating was operating the best they could.Sure, had he 20 minutes of information or warning, that the world trade center, was the target, of mad men, at the controls of a airliners, then yes, he would have moved allot faster, but given the information he had, I don't blame him one bit for doing what he did. Like I said before, given the same information, about it being an accident, I would have done the same. Come to think of it, I did much the same, my sister called and told me about the accident, and it was another 5-10 minutes before I finished what I was doing, and then got around to turning on the TV. Greg H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] THE HOT MOVIE
The conversations and accusations are flying around, so I thought I would post an article I received from a humor writer which may help someone put this whole discussion in perspective. Enjoy. Dick THIS WEEK'S COLUMN: THE HOT MOVIE THAT'S BURNING BUSH Michael Moore's documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 has already set records at the box office, treating moviegoers to a scathing attack on President Bush and his co-architects in the war on terrorism. If you hate Bush, you will absolutely love this movie, which probably explains why so many people are eager to dub the movie into Arabic. Not to mention French, Spanish, German, Russian, Mandarin, Hindi, Tonga, Swahili and (please insert your native language here). As much as I love to bash the president, I have misgivings about this movie. It's a rather one-sided presentation of facts, designed to get Americans to ask a serious question about their president, a question that has been asked countless times in other countries: How did this idiot get elected? But Bush is hardly an idiot and if you don't believe me, just ask the woman who dresses him. She will tell you that he's quite capable at what he does, leading America against the forces of evil, who are involved in all sorts of mischief these days, even producing award-winning documentaries. While Fahrenheit 9/11 is certainly compelling, it's important to ask ourselves how fair it is. For example, Moore shows us what Bush did on Sept. 11 after learning that a second plane had hit the twin towers: He continued reading a book called My Pet Goat to a group of schoolchildren for almost seven minutes. In other words, he didn't do what most Americans would expect of him in this moment of crisis: Jump out of his chair, grab a phone and say, Hey Dick, what the heck should I do? What people don't realize, however, is that the president is an expert multi-tasker. The demands of his job often dictate that he perform several tasks at once, sometimes even using both sides of his brain. In those seven minutes of seemingly casual reading, he had not only planned the wars on Afghanistan and Iraq, but also determined, through a highly analytical process, what he was going to have for lunch. Moore also shows us that despite the involvement of at least 15 Saudi Arabian natives in the Sept. 11 attacks, the Bush Administration allowed a number of Saudis, including the extended family of Osama bin Laden, to charter planes and leave America soon after the terrorist attacks. Of course, there is a logical explanation for this. And as soon as I find it, I will let you know. Moore and other critics of the Bush Administration seem to imply that the Saudis were allowed to leave America unquestioned. But that's not true at all. Before boarding their planes, all of them were asked the all-important question: Did you pack your bags yourself? And all of them gave the correct answer: Of course not. We have maids for that! Citing a figure from the Washington Post, Moore charges that Bush spent 42% of the first seven months of his presidency on vacation, implying that he was ill-prepared to prevent the terrorist attacks. There are two problems with this argument. First, Bush took what he calls working vacations. He didn't just sit around -- he WORKED on his golf swing. Second, the 42% figure includes weekends. Most Americans do not think of their weekends as vacations. Even when they get a Friday or Monday off, they call it a long weekend, not a short vacation. If ordinary Americans can get four weekends a month, surely the president is entitled to six or seven. But this kind of logical reasoning seems to escape Moore, perhaps because he doesn't have the intellectual capacity of President Bush. In fact, we can be reasonably certain that Moore, in his entire adulthood, has never even read My Pet Goat. -- (c) Copyright 2004 Melvin Durai. All Rights Reserved. SEND THIS COLUMN TO A FRIEND [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
