Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's
Whether by GPS or by some other method, another issue with these systems is that they can be undercut. There was a local scandal a few years back where a dealer had a disreputable working for them who gave thieves the location of the hidden lojack parts, so that the police were unable to trace the cars, once the parts had been removed. Likewise, I think if GPS were used to track a car, I wonder if it could be undercut by a car owner wishing to false-report mileage. On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:48:27 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Greg and April, >Lojack does not have GPS yet that they admit too. > From their web sight: >Through an unequalled and highly successful relationship with police >departments around the country, LoJack is the only provider of vehicle >recovery systems directly connected to state crime computers. LoJack >provides police departments with special tracking technology for local, >county and state police squad cars and aviation units. > >The patented LoJack system includes a small radio-frequency transceiver >that is hidden in the vehicle at the time of installation. When the >vehicle theft is reported to the police, the unit is automatically >activated, which causes silent radio signals to be emitted from the >transceiver. The police are able to follow the signal to locate and >recover the vehicle. > >Onstar say's: >Q. How does OnStar work? >A. OnStar uses existing emergency service providers, cellular telephone >and satellite technologies. It operates alongside the electrical system >in your vehicle and is powered by your vehicle's battery. If your >vehicle's battery is damaged or disconnected, our service will not >function. OnStar uses an analog cellular network maintained by separate >cellular companies. This provides the broadest geographic coverage of >any current wireless system in the United States and Canada. > >On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 00:17 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: > >> Then how does Lojack & Onstar work? >> >> Greg H. >> >> - Original Message ----- >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:54 >> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen >> hype, "the >> scam artists at work". and more idea's >> >> >>> Hi >>> I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER. >>> I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however, what did I miss? >>> Fred >>> >>> On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: >>> >>>> The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in >>>> unmapped >>>> territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not >>>> spent >>>> on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to >>>> odometer >>>> readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges >>>> for >>>> their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't >>>> be >>>> charged for what they don't use ether. >>>> >>>> Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last >>>> person, >>>> just >>>> in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. >>>> >>>> Greg H. >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 >>>> Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, >>>> "the >>>> scam artists at work". and more idea's >>>> >>>> >>>>> Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to >>>>> be >>>>> manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS >>>>> tracked >>>>> from X month to the same registration month the next year. >>>>> Then >>>>> have that file cross-referenced with the car's >>>>> registration/ownership >>>> files. >>>>> >>>>> THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had >>>>> traveled" >>>>> tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which >>>>> route >>>> it >>>>> took ... etc. >>>>> >>>>> No odometer reading necessary. >>>>> >>>>> Curtis &g
Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's
Hi Greg and April, Lojack does not have GPS yet that they admit too. From their web sight: Through an unequalled and highly successful relationship with police departments around the country, LoJack is the only provider of vehicle recovery systems directly connected to state crime computers. LoJack provides police departments with special tracking technology for local, county and state police squad cars and aviation units. The patented LoJack system includes a small radio-frequency transceiver that is hidden in the vehicle at the time of installation. When the vehicle theft is reported to the police, the unit is automatically activated, which causes silent radio signals to be emitted from the transceiver. The police are able to follow the signal to locate and recover the vehicle. Onstar say's: Q. How does OnStar work? A. OnStar uses existing emergency service providers, cellular telephone and satellite technologies. It operates alongside the electrical system in your vehicle and is powered by your vehicle's battery. If your vehicle's battery is damaged or disconnected, our service will not function. OnStar uses an analog cellular network maintained by separate cellular companies. This provides the broadest geographic coverage of any current wireless system in the United States and Canada. On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 00:17 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: > Then how does Lojack & Onstar work? > > Greg H. > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:54 > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen > hype, "the > scam artists at work". and more idea's > > >> Hi >> I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER. >> I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however, what did I miss? >> Fred >> >> On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: >> >>> The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in >>> unmapped >>> territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not >>> spent >>> on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to >>> odometer >>> readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges >>> for >>> their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't >>> be >>> charged for what they don't use ether. >>> >>> Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last >>> person, >>> just >>> in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. >>> >>> Greg H. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 >>> Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, >>> "the >>> scam artists at work". and more idea's >>> >>> >>>> Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to >>>> be >>>> manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS >>>> tracked >>>> from X month to the same registration month the next year. >>>> Then >>>> have that file cross-referenced with the car's >>>> registration/ownership >>> files. >>>> >>>> THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had >>>> traveled" >>>> tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which >>>> route >>> it >>>> took ... etc. >>>> >>>> No odometer reading necessary. >>>> >>>> Curtis >>>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >>> -~--> >>> Save up to 80% on top-quality inkjet cartridges and get your order >>> fast! >>> FREE shipping on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. Shop at >>> Myinks.com! >>> http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 >>> http://us.click.yahoo.com/v2G7ND/KfUGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM >>> - >>> ~-> >>> >>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>> Biofuels list archives: >>> http://archive.nnytech.net/ >>> >>> Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >>> To unsubscribe, send an em
RE: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's
Actually the two-way communications systems found on OTR trucks uses the cellular network to transmit data. -BRAH -Original Message- From: Robert Mills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:03 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's Do you know any truck drivers or any of the major trucking firms nearby? They can tell you the exact location of their truck and how long it has been there if it is sitting still. They can also send messages and the like via computer through the same system in both directions. Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER. I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however, what did I miss? Fred On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: > The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in > unmapped > territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not > spent > on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to > odometer > readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges > for > their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't > be > charged for what they don't use ether. > > Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, > just > in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. > > Greg H. > > - Original Message ----- > From: "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 > Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, > "the > scam artists at work". and more idea's > > >> Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be >> manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS >> tracked >> from X month to the same registration month the next year. >> Then >> have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership > files. >> >> THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had >> traveled" >> tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which >> route > it >> took ... etc. >> >> No odometer reading necessary. >> >> Curtis >> > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > -~--> > Save up to 80% on top-quality inkjet cartridges and get your order > fast! > FREE shipping on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. Shop at > Myinks.com! > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/v2G7ND/KfUGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM > - > ~-> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific High above the ether capacious Like a mineral carbonaceous. Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Click Here! <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=244522.3512152.4794593.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705 083269:HM/A=1595056/R=0/SIG=124bf4lrb/*http:/ashnin.com/clk/muryutaitake nattogyo?YH=3512152&yhad=1595056> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=244522.3512152.4794593.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1595056/rand=628349496> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.
Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's
Bob, 10 years?? It all started in a global and organized manner, with Napoleon and population registration. Before that you only had the control from the church, who for 100's of years had been obsessed with population control. Hakan At 12:17 PM 7/8/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Hey !!, have you been asleep for the last 10 or so years > >If you think you are not tracked daily as it is you must never go anywhere >or spend any money using atm's and the like. Don't worry, big brother >knows all about you and keeps his finger on the button at all times. > >It won't be too many years before computers presently in cars will be >tracked and disabled at the will of Government if they only think you >might have done something wrong. From that point on it will be 100% >"GUILTY" unless you can prove otherwise. > >Skin implants are today offered to parents of children who fear abduction >and the like. How long do you think this will take to become mandatory for >everyone? > >You will soon only have your freedom at the will of; not because of; your >birthright, etc. > >Bob > >Greg and April <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in unmapped >territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not spent >on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to odometer >readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges for >their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't be >charged for what they don't use ether. > >Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, just >in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. > >Greg H. > >- Original Message ----- >From: "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 >Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the >scam artists at work". and more idea's > > > > Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be > > manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS tracked > > from X month to the same registration month the next year. Then > > have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership >files. > > > > THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had traveled" > > tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which route >it > > took ... etc. > > > > No odometer reading necessary. > > > > Curtis > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges & refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US & Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's
Fred, The GPS system as such is not just a receiver. It also contains methods for two way communication. In fact apart from an ID recognizing system, it also have a messaging system. The ID system is modelled on the radar recognizing system used for air traffic control. A GPS can be active or passive receiver and this is used in many applications from transport scheduling to search and rescue. Hakan At 01:54 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Hi >I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER. >I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however, what did I miss? >Fred > >On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: > > > The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in > > unmapped > > territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not > > spent > > on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to > > odometer > > readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges > > for > > their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't > > be > > charged for what they don't use ether. > > > > Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, > > just > > in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. > > > > Greg H. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 > > Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, > > "the > > scam artists at work". and more idea's > > > > > >> Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be > >> manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS > >> tracked > >> from X month to the same registration month the next year. > >> Then > >> have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership > > files. > >> > >> THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had > >> traveled" > >> tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which > >> route > > it > >> took ... etc. > >> > >> No odometer reading necessary. > >> > >> Curtis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges & refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US & Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's
They can only currently track by video cam, not to many except with in major cities, and then mostly near intersections. Even now they are trying to track cell phones, but even that is proving some what problematic, and is only accurate to with in a 150 yards or so. No, we still have a few more years left. Even the Supreme Court has ruled that we have privacy even in public places. Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Robert Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 13:17 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's > Hey !!, have you been asleep for the last 10 or so years > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges & refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US & Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's
Then how does Lojack & Onstar work? Greg H. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:54 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's > Hi > I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER. > I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however, what did I miss? > Fred > > On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: > > > The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in > > unmapped > > territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not > > spent > > on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to > > odometer > > readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges > > for > > their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't > > be > > charged for what they don't use ether. > > > > Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, > > just > > in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. > > > > Greg H. > > > > ----- Original Message - > > From: "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 > > Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, > > "the > > scam artists at work". and more idea's > > > > > >> Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be > >> manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS > >> tracked > >> from X month to the same registration month the next year. > >> Then > >> have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership > > files. > >> > >> THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had > >> traveled" > >> tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which > >> route > > it > >> took ... etc. > >> > >> No odometer reading necessary. > >> > >> Curtis > >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > -~--> > > Save up to 80% on top-quality inkjet cartridges and get your order > > fast! > > FREE shipping on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. Shop at > > Myinks.com! > > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/v2G7ND/KfUGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM > > - > > ~-> > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > Scintilate scintilate globule vivific > Oft have I pondered thy nature specific > High above the ether capacious > Like a mineral carbonaceous. > Scintilate scintilate globule vivific > Oft have I pondered thy nature specific > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges & refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US & Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's
Do you know any truck drivers or any of the major trucking firms nearby? They can tell you the exact location of their truck and how long it has been there if it is sitting still. They can also send messages and the like via computer through the same system in both directions. Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER. I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however, what did I miss? Fred On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: > The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in > unmapped > territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not > spent > on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to > odometer > readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges > for > their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't > be > charged for what they don't use ether. > > Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, > just > in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. > > Greg H. > > - Original Message - > From: "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 > Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, > "the > scam artists at work". and more idea's > > >> Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be >> manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS >> tracked >> from X month to the same registration month the next year. >> Then >> have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership > files. >> >> THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had >> traveled" >> tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which >> route > it >> took ... etc. >> >> No odometer reading necessary. >> >> Curtis >> > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > -~--> > Save up to 80% on top-quality inkjet cartridges and get your order > fast! > FREE shipping on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. Shop at > Myinks.com! > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/v2G7ND/KfUGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM > - > ~-> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific High above the ether capacious Like a mineral carbonaceous. Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges & refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US & Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's
Hey !!, have you been asleep for the last 10 or so years If you think you are not tracked daily as it is you must never go anywhere or spend any money using atm's and the like. Don't worry, big brother knows all about you and keeps his finger on the button at all times. It won't be too many years before computers presently in cars will be tracked and disabled at the will of Government if they only think you might have done something wrong. From that point on it will be 100% "GUILTY" unless you can prove otherwise. Skin implants are today offered to parents of children who fear abduction and the like. How long do you think this will take to become mandatory for everyone? You will soon only have your freedom at the will of; not because of; your birthright, etc. Bob Greg and April <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in unmapped territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not spent on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to odometer readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges for their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't be charged for what they don't use ether. Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, just in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. Greg H. - Original Message - From: "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's > Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be > manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS tracked > from X month to the same registration month the next year. Then > have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership files. > > THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had traveled" > tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which route it > took ... etc. > > No odometer reading necessary. > > Curtis > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges & refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US & Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's
Hi I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER. I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however, what did I miss? Fred On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: > The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in > unmapped > territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not > spent > on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to > odometer > readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges > for > their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't > be > charged for what they don't use ether. > > Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, > just > in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. > > Greg H. > > - Original Message - > From: "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 > Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, > "the > scam artists at work". and more idea's > > >> Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be >> manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS >> tracked >> from X month to the same registration month the next year. >> Then >> have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership > files. >> >> THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had >> traveled" >> tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which >> route > it >> took ... etc. >> >> No odometer reading necessary. >> >> Curtis >> > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > -~--> > Save up to 80% on top-quality inkjet cartridges and get your order > fast! > FREE shipping on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. Shop at > Myinks.com! > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/v2G7ND/KfUGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM > - > ~-> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific High above the ether capacious Like a mineral carbonaceous. Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges & refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US & Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's
The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in unmapped territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not spent on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to odometer readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges for their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't be charged for what they don't use ether. Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, just in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. Greg H. - Original Message - From: "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's > Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be > manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS tracked > from X month to the same registration month the next year. Then > have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership files. > > THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had traveled" > tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which route it > took ... etc. > > No odometer reading necessary. > > Curtis > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Save up to 80% on top-quality inkjet cartridges and get your order fast! FREE shipping on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. Shop at Myinks.com! http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/v2G7ND/KfUGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's
Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS tracked from X month to the same registration month the next year. Then have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership files. THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had traveled" tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which route it took ... etc. No odometer reading necessary. Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: Greg and April <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What are they going to do, take down the odometer reading every year that you register the Elec. car? Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Inkjet cartridges up to 80% off. HP, Epson, Lexmark--we have your brand. Free shipping on every order to the U.S. and Canada! Excellent service. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/QWB0QC/.eUGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
