Re: [biofuels-biz] Burning sunflowers
Now this sounds really interesting!! Do you have a link to the Company?? James Slayden On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, David Teal wrote: Quote from the Leeds University alumni magazine www.leeds.ac.uk/alumni : Fuel and energy researchers are hoping to use sunflower oil to produce hydrogen, a fuel of the future. Hydrogen has been attractive as a fuel because it can create electricity with no harmful emissions. Most methods of producing the gas, however, create pollution. Researchers are testing a pollution free system using only sunflower oil, air, water vapour and two special catalysts. David T. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Burning sunflowers
Ah, thanks. On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, David Teal wrote: Sorry, direct ref should be: http://reporter.leeds.ac.uk/483/s3.htm Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Burning sunflowers
It kinda sounds like they are also using some type of supercritical CO method for oil extraction, thus leaving a somewhat clean process. Todd, you have links to any white papers on CO to Methanol conversion? I haven't had much success before. Thanks, James Slayden On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Appal Energy wrote: http://reporter.leeds.ac.uk/483/s3.htm All a bit elusive... quote: Most methods of producing hydrogen burn another fuel for energy, which itself creates pollution - carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides and other emissions, said Dr Dupont. Our catalyst uses oxygen from the air to heat up naturally, and this heat is used to reform the oil with steam to create hydrogen. The excess carbon dioxide is taken into the second catalyst, then released for storage or use in other chemical processes, ensuring that damaging levels of CO2 aren't just put back into the atmosphere. Oxygen from the air to heat up naturally... Interesting. I wonder what their loss rate of catalyst, or energy cost to restore it if needed, or life cycle energy cost to refine it. They mention pyrolysis in a latter paragraph. Wonder where they get the damaging levels of CO2? If they were using the pyrolytic fuels from the process itself to perpetuate stripping (not creating) hydrogen they would be carbon neutral at worst, erego no damaging levels of CO2. Not to say that CO2 recovery is not intelligent, as it could be used to produce methanol as a useable byproduct, among other things. Todd Swearingen Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Methane to Methanol was Re: [biofuels-biz] Burning sunflowers
Personally, no white papers in hand. But a Google search for 'Methane conversion Methanol' will give you weeks of bedtime reading material. Even a few methods on how to produce acetic acid, but unfortunately too much methanol is derived at the same time...Go figger! Conversion process using landfill gas... http://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/proceedings/97/97ng/ng97_pdf /NGP4.PDF Conversion process using natural gas... http://www.aeeseap.org/conf2000/contents/09/0903.pdf Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Burning sunflowers It kinda sounds like they are also using some type of supercritical CO method for oil extraction, thus leaving a somewhat clean process. Todd, you have links to any white papers on CO to Methanol conversion? I haven't had much success before. Thanks, James Slayden On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Appal Energy wrote: http://reporter.leeds.ac.uk/483/s3.htm All a bit elusive... quote: Most methods of producing hydrogen burn another fuel for energy, which itself creates pollution - carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides and other emissions, said Dr Dupont. Our catalyst uses oxygen from the air to heat up naturally, and this heat is used to reform the oil with steam to create hydrogen. The excess carbon dioxide is taken into the second catalyst, then released for storage or use in other chemical processes, ensuring that damaging levels of CO2 aren't just put back into the atmosphere. Oxygen from the air to heat up naturally... Interesting. I wonder what their loss rate of catalyst, or energy cost to restore it if needed, or life cycle energy cost to refine it. They mention pyrolysis in a latter paragraph. Wonder where they get the damaging levels of CO2? If they were using the pyrolytic fuels from the process itself to perpetuate stripping (not creating) hydrogen they would be carbon neutral at worst, erego no damaging levels of CO2. Not to say that CO2 recovery is not intelligent, as it could be used to produce methanol as a useable byproduct, among other things. Todd Swearingen Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Methane to Methanol was Re: [biofuels-biz] Burning sunflowers
Thanks Todd. Yep, I have looked at a search stream before, and have read a significant amount, but have not found exactly what I was looking for. But the link you sent on landfill gas is!! :) James Slayden On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Appal Energy wrote: Personally, no white papers in hand. But a Google search for 'Methane conversion Methanol' will give you weeks of bedtime reading material. Even a few methods on how to produce acetic acid, but unfortunately too much methanol is derived at the same time...Go figger! Conversion process using landfill gas... http://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/proceedings/97/97ng/ng97_pdf /NGP4.PDF Conversion process using natural gas... http://www.aeeseap.org/conf2000/contents/09/0903.pdf Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Burning sunflowers It kinda sounds like they are also using some type of supercritical CO method for oil extraction, thus leaving a somewhat clean process. Todd, you have links to any white papers on CO to Methanol conversion? I haven't had much success before. Thanks, James Slayden On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Appal Energy wrote: http://reporter.leeds.ac.uk/483/s3.htm All a bit elusive... quote: Most methods of producing hydrogen burn another fuel for energy, which itself creates pollution - carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides and other emissions, said Dr Dupont. Our catalyst uses oxygen from the air to heat up naturally, and this heat is used to reform the oil with steam to create hydrogen. The excess carbon dioxide is taken into the second catalyst, then released for storage or use in other chemical processes, ensuring that damaging levels of CO2 aren't just put back into the atmosphere. Oxygen from the air to heat up naturally... Interesting. I wonder what their loss rate of catalyst, or energy cost to restore it if needed, or life cycle energy cost to refine it. They mention pyrolysis in a latter paragraph. Wonder where they get the damaging levels of CO2? If they were using the pyrolytic fuels from the process itself to perpetuate stripping (not creating) hydrogen they would be carbon neutral at worst, erego no damaging levels of CO2. Not to say that CO2 recovery is not intelligent, as it could be used to produce methanol as a useable byproduct, among other things. Todd Swearingen Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Burning sunflowers
Quote from the Leeds University alumni magazine www.leeds.ac.uk/alumni : Fuel and energy researchers are hoping to use sunflower oil to produce hydrogen, a fuel of the future. Hydrogen has been attractive as a fuel because it can create electricity with no harmful emissions. Most methods of producing the gas, however, create pollution. Researchers are testing a pollution free system using only sunflower oil, air, water vapour and two special catalysts. David T. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Burning sunflowers
http://reporter.leeds.ac.uk/483/s3.htm All a bit elusive... quote: Most methods of producing hydrogen burn another fuel for energy, which itself creates pollution - carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides and other emissions, said Dr Dupont. Our catalyst uses oxygen from the air to heat up naturally, and this heat is used to reform the oil with steam to create hydrogen. The excess carbon dioxide is taken into the second catalyst, then released for storage or use in other chemical processes, ensuring that damaging levels of CO2 aren't just put back into the atmosphere. Oxygen from the air to heat up naturally... Interesting. I wonder what their loss rate of catalyst, or energy cost to restore it if needed, or life cycle energy cost to refine it. They mention pyrolysis in a latter paragraph. Wonder where they get the damaging levels of CO2? If they were using the pyrolytic fuels from the process itself to perpetuate stripping (not creating) hydrogen they would be carbon neutral at worst, erego no damaging levels of CO2. Not to say that CO2 recovery is not intelligent, as it could be used to produce methanol as a useable byproduct, among other things. Todd Swearingen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/XfSp7B/XlOFAA/46VHAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
