Re: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump
Go to http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/fuelfactsheets/standards_and_warranties.s htm and select Cummins ~R~ while on the subect of fuel pumps and rubber i run a 1993 b5.9 cummins turbo diesel ime just starting out on bio diesel,but remember reading somewhere a statement that cummins do not reccomend use of bio in this motor,does anyone know why or if its true terry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump
thanks ive tried to acess the site it just comes up no site found have you another address terry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump
thanks ive tried to acess the site it just comes up no site found have you another address terry Long urls get broken into two lines in transmission, you have to copy and paste them into a word processor and join them up again. Here it is again: http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/fuelfactsheets/standards_and_warra nties.shtm Or if you can't manage that (if not why not?) try this: http://snipurl.com/fs09 This link will take you straight to the Cummins pdf, FWIW: http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/OEM%20Statements/2004_OEM_cummins.pdf Or: http://snipurl.com/fs0d Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump
Filipe, The short answer is yes, there are compatability issues at the gas station pump. The long answer is that many C-Stores are indepedently owned but use the brand name of their petroleum supplier. Thus they sorta have to comply with the parent company guidelines. The parent company has guidelines as to which kind of fuel they can offer. In many cases the old motor is only covered by the engine manufacturers warranty AND the warranty only works if you use the recommended fuel in the owners manual. Thus, if any warranty issues are at risk because you are using a fuel (biofuel) that is not in the owners manual then there is a compatability issue albeit up for debate because the biofuel has many lubricants. In the year 2000-2003, I worked for a major petroleum company and handled energy conservation programs for their C-Store Gas Stations. Many C-Store Gas Stations are independently owned but use the parent company logo and brands. In my case, the ownder wanted to offer biodiesel at one of his pumps. But the parent company preferred he not do that because the engine manufacturers warranty would not cover if biofuel used in the cusotmers fuel tank. However, this was three years ago and things may be completely different in 2005. I recommend you read other Biofuel answers to your inquiry. Thank you. Phillip Wolfe --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again, I own an Toyota Corolla 2,0D van (1993), I was tolded that diesel fuel pumps, in older diesel vehicles, aren't compatible whith the use of biodiesel. Someone said to me that the rubber parts inside the fuel pump will be damaged and they aren't replaceable. A fuel pump is a very expensive part (hundreds of euros). Can anyone tell me if that's true? Thank you Filipe Paulette __ Continua a preferir gastar mais? Compare o preço da sua ligação à Internet http://acesso.portugalmail.pt/compare ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump
Hello Filipe Hello again, I own an Toyota Corolla 2,0D van (1993), I was tolded that diesel fuel pumps, in older diesel vehicles, aren't compatible whith the use of biodiesel. Someone said to me that the rubber parts inside the fuel pump will be damaged and they aren't replaceable. A fuel pump is a very expensive part (hundreds of euros). Can anyone tell me if that's true? I doubt it very much. Okay, no, it's not true. By 1993 Japanese fuel pumps did not contain any rubber, especially not those exported to Europe - compatability issues with the European ULSD diesel fuel had already ensured that. Our Toyota diesel is dated 1990, it's been running on nothing else but 100% biodiesel for two and a half years and there is no problem with the injector pump seals, nor with anything else. In fact we've never heard of a real, certifiable, genuine problem with biodiesel causing failure of injector pump seals. Fuel line problems are rare enough, and seal problems apparently non-existent - an industry myth, we think. Well, perhaps they have to be over-cautious. We can afford to be more realistic (and to both make and wash our fuel properly, which the biodiesel industry certainly doesn't always do). Also I don't think it's true that the pump seals aren't replaceable. Go ahead and do it Filipe, I'm sure you'll be just fine, and so will the Corolla. Best wishes Keith Thank you Filipe Paulette ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump
Keith Addison wrote: Hello Filipe I doubt it very much. Okay, no, it's not true. By 1993 Japanese fuel pumps did not contain any rubber, especially not those exported to Europe - compatability issues with the European ULSD diesel fuel had already ensured that. Our Toyota diesel is dated 1990, it's been running on nothing else but 100% biodiesel for two and a half years and there is no problem with the injector pump seals, nor with anything else. In fact we've never heard of a real, certifiable, genuine problem with biodiesel causing failure of injector pump seals. Fuel line problems are rare enough, and seal problems apparently non-existent - an industry myth, we think. Well, perhaps they have to be over-cautious. We can afford to be more realistic (and to both make and wash our fuel properly, which the biodiesel industry certainly doesn't always do). Also I don't think it's true that the pump seals aren't replaceable. Go ahead and do it Filipe, I'm sure you'll be just fine, and so will the Corolla. Best wishes Keith I've spent weeks since my first batch of corn-based BD came out of the processor trying to determine what will need to be done to my Datsun pickup before I get to use B-100 in it. It's a 1981, and although it's running alright on B-20, I have gotten the lengths of fuel line I'll need to replace to run on 100%. I do have the manual for this vehicle, but only sketchy information on the fuel pump, and seals aren't mentioned. It's my only vehicle, so I will have difficulty removing the seals for comparison at the auto parts store, unless I disassemble it in their parking lot. Has anyone else out there done a conversion on the same engine (vintage) as I'm dealing with? What parts are needed to complete? Do I just need a new pump? Are there rubber impeller seals inside it? (manual says that the pump should not be disassembled by anyone less than a certified Datsun Diesel mechanic. and I'm not one of those...) The manual indicates that I have a Diesel KIKI-Bosch In-line type and gives a somewhat cut-away diagram of it, but no exploded view, and very few of its parts are labeled or numbered... Anyone with experience on this, or knows of a connection to Datsun that can give me the answer I need will be greatly appreciated, and sought after! doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump
Hello Doug Keith Addison wrote: Hello Filipe I doubt it very much. Okay, no, it's not true. By 1993 Japanese fuel pumps did not contain any rubber, especially not those exported to Europe - compatability issues with the European ULSD diesel fuel had already ensured that. Our Toyota diesel is dated 1990, it's been running on nothing else but 100% biodiesel for two and a half years and there is no problem with the injector pump seals, nor with anything else. In fact we've never heard of a real, certifiable, genuine problem with biodiesel causing failure of injector pump seals. Fuel line problems are rare enough, and seal problems apparently non-existent - an industry myth, we think. Well, perhaps they have to be over-cautious. We can afford to be more realistic (and to both make and wash our fuel properly, which the biodiesel industry certainly doesn't always do). Also I don't think it's true that the pump seals aren't replaceable. Go ahead and do it Filipe, I'm sure you'll be just fine, and so will the Corolla. Best wishes Keith I've spent weeks since my first batch of corn-based BD came out of the processor trying to determine what will need to be done to my Datsun pickup before I get to use B-100 in it. It's a 1981, and although it's running alright on B-20, I have gotten the lengths of fuel line I'll need to replace to run on 100%. I do have the manual for this vehicle, but only sketchy information on the fuel pump, and seals aren't mentioned. It's my only vehicle, so I will have difficulty removing the seals for comparison at the auto parts store, unless I disassemble it in their parking lot. Has anyone else out there done a conversion on the same engine (vintage) as I'm dealing with? What parts are needed to complete? Do I just need a new pump? Are there rubber impeller seals inside it? (manual says that the pump should not be disassembled by anyone less than a certified Datsun Diesel mechanic. and I'm not one of those...) The manual indicates that I have a Diesel KIKI-Bosch In-line type and gives a somewhat cut-away diagram of it, but no exploded view, and very few of its parts are labeled or numbered... Anyone with experience on this, or knows of a connection to Datsun that can give me the answer I need will be greatly appreciated, and sought after! doug swanson If you have a parts number for the pump you should be able to get Viton seals for it. Have you looked for KIKI-Bosch information online? I think any good diesel workshop should be able to do the job for you, shouldn't need to be specifically Datsun, though of course they'd say that. Maybe not if all they've ever seen is Stanadynes, but that probably wouldn't be the case. BUT there are plenty of old Japanese diesels that people have used and are using B100 in, and we still don't hear of a rotten pump seal except in fairytales. Why don't you just do it? In the apparently unlikely event that you actually do succeed in producing a failed pump seal after all this time it's unlikely to be a sudden catastrophe, you should have warning enough to take remedial action. Does anyone here disagree with this? Pipe up, if so, please do - if you think I'm being too optimistic please say so (and why). All best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump
Hello Filipe, Keith, Doug all. If your BioD is properly made (i.e. a complete reaction) , more importantly well washed (typically 3 or 4 washes) I see no reason to fear pump failure even in early pumps. The car companies say otherwise to cover their backs, likewise the oil companies want you to keep buying their diesel. Having the pump rebuilt with a Viton kit in my mind is not necessary. I had a bosch pump for a ford transit rebuilt (at a cost of £150 on the cheap I provided the kit) so it would take bioD, that van then failed its mot on a badly corroded chassis, I then got another van in the meantime that had not been converted that's been running fine for 2 years nearly, admittedly not on B100, but approx B30. (I hope to use the old engine with the rebuilt pump as a co-gen system running on B100 - but thats a project I'm still trying to make time for - where have we heard that before..lol) If you choose to have your pump rebuilt with a Viton kit you will have to take it to a diesel specialist you may have to get your rebuild kit from the USA (no one here in the UK had heard of Viton but I guess that may have changed now, I don't know. It's not a job for the DIY'er - once rebuilt the pump has to be calibrated on a special machine. Without calibration the pump will either over fuel, under fuel or be mistimed. Hope that helps good luck with it, let us know how you get on. Best regards Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: 22 June 2005 19:18 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump Hello Doug Keith Addison wrote: Hello Filipe I doubt it very much. Okay, no, it's not true. By 1993 Japanese fuel pumps did not contain any rubber, especially not those exported to Europe - compatability issues with the European ULSD diesel fuel had already ensured that. Our Toyota diesel is dated 1990, it's been running on nothing else but 100% biodiesel for two and a half years and there is no problem with the injector pump seals, nor with anything else. In fact we've never heard of a real, certifiable, genuine problem with biodiesel causing failure of injector pump seals. Fuel line problems are rare enough, and seal problems apparently non-existent - an industry myth, we think. Well, perhaps they have to be over-cautious. We can afford to be more realistic (and to both make and wash our fuel properly, which the biodiesel industry certainly doesn't always do). Also I don't think it's true that the pump seals aren't replaceable. Go ahead and do it Filipe, I'm sure you'll be just fine, and so will the Corolla. Best wishes Keith I've spent weeks since my first batch of corn-based BD came out of the processor trying to determine what will need to be done to my Datsun pickup before I get to use B-100 in it. It's a 1981, and although it's running alright on B-20, I have gotten the lengths of fuel line I'll need to replace to run on 100%. I do have the manual for this vehicle, but only sketchy information on the fuel pump, and seals aren't mentioned. It's my only vehicle, so I will have difficulty removing the seals for comparison at the auto parts store, unless I disassemble it in their parking lot. Has anyone else out there done a conversion on the same engine (vintage) as I'm dealing with? What parts are needed to complete? Do I just need a new pump? Are there rubber impeller seals inside it? (manual says that the pump should not be disassembled by anyone less than a certified Datsun Diesel mechanic. and I'm not one of those...) The manual indicates that I have a Diesel KIKI-Bosch In-line type and gives a somewhat cut-away diagram of it, but no exploded view, and very few of its parts are labeled or numbered... Anyone with experience on this, or knows of a connection to Datsun that can give me the answer I need will be greatly appreciated, and sought after! doug swanson If you have a parts number for the pump you should be able to get Viton seals for it. Have you looked for KIKI-Bosch information online? I think any good diesel workshop should be able to do the job for you, shouldn't need to be specifically Datsun, though of course they'd say that. Maybe not if all they've ever seen is Stanadynes, but that probably wouldn't be the case. BUT there are plenty of old Japanese diesels that people have used and are using B100 in, and we still don't hear of a rotten pump seal except in fairytales. Why don't you just do it? In the apparently unlikely event that you actually do succeed in producing a failed pump seal after all this time it's unlikely to be a sudden catastrophe, you should have warning enough to take remedial action. Does anyone here disagree with this? Pipe up, if so, please do - if you think I'm being too optimistic please say so (and why). All best Keith
Re: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump
while on the subect of fuel pumps and rubber i run a 1993 b5.9 cummins turbo diesel ime just starting out on bio diesel,but remember reading somewhere a statement that cummins do not reccomend use of bio in this motor,does anyone know why or if its true terry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
