Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
Hi Mike; You have really hit the nail there. As scientists though we like the generalities. We like to find a general rule which works for all the cases rather than just a special theory which explains a few of the cases. In that regard I have realized that one general rule I have pretty much found has no holes or exceptions is that all of the problems we face can ultimately be boiled down to a human problem. Things that don't work that we put under our microscope and hotly debate because we each zoom in to different aspects of it, can essentially be reduced to human failings. Whether it be a political system that doesn't work or a problem with our economic structure or what have you, it can be traced back to human failings like the seven deadly ones. To make it worse we often think we shine brightly and have a vision or an answer, but like a bright flashlight which has a hemisphere of darkness behind it, sometimes we are in the darkness of our own light. Scientists are terrible for this. But to me this is the best news that ever hit me. This means that collectively we can solve anything (potentially). We need to turn our flashlights around and get out of the darkness of our own light. This only requires that each little individual rise above their own failings. This is what Robert is talking about when he goes on about how to be a good Christian, not a dogmatic one. It is what we all feel somehow and express in different ways and at different times but we need to get more people thinking that way, somehow reach them in a way that doesn't make them feel it is a push from the outside but rather something that is theirs. I'm sure this is why Keith puts so much into what he does and the same for many others. It is a grand wish but imagine if we can do that, we will no longer need to debate which political system is best etc etc because everything will naturally fall into place. " You may say I'm a dreamerbut I'm not the only one" -thank you John Lennon for inspiring me with that song. I wish it had been the same for everyone. If so there would not be radioactive sludge leaking into the icy waters of the majestic Columbia river that I love and maybe the glacier that feeds it would not be receeding at an unprecedented rate. People would not be sent to their deaths for oil and others would not feel they needed to use their life as a weapon to fight back. It is brutally ironic to me that though we can scoff and say these problems are too huge and too far gone to solve any of it now, which is what a lot of people are doing and instead turn to self indulgence with a comment like here for a good time not a long time, the truth is that the solution is widespread but small. It is within each person. And therein lies our only true hope. Joe MK DuPree wrote: Hi Joe...today's the birthday of Vaclav Havel. From a mailing list I subscribe to, The Writer's Almanac: It's the birthday of one of the few writers ever to become the leader of a country, Czech dramatist and president Vclav Havel, (books by this author) born in Prague (1936). In the 1960s, he wrote a series of absurdist plays, including The Garden Party (1964) and The Memorandum (1965), that attacked the Communist Party, describing the way in which the Communists were ruining the language by introducing all kinds of euphemisms and clichs. Havel kept protesting the government, refusing to go into exile the way so many other writers and artists in the country did. He was jailed several times, and then in 1989, after another arrest and imprisonment, he was released early because thousands of artists protested to the prime minister. He'd become a national hero. After the collapse of the Communist regime, he helped negotiate the transition to democracy, and in December of 1989, he was elected president, the first non-communist leader of his country since 1948. He stepped down from power in 2003. Vclav Havel said, "If you want to see your plays performed the way you wrote them, become president." Not sure this has anything to do with being easy on Bob or calming down or what it means to "risk all" or "the ultimate necessary act" or the two faces of Joe, but wanted to mention it anyway. I'm hardly as talented as Havel and certainly don't have his guts, while thecliches and euphemisms we're faced with come from more and varied directions than just the government (and when it does come from the government, it comes from a government that is immensely layeredbeyond anything Havel ever encountered). Ah well...I appreciate your sense of humor Joe, as well as your most recent posts to D., Kurt, and Robert. We're all faced with somethinghuge, complicated, and doing the best we can to deal with it. It would be nice to wrap it all up into one guy or a few of his cronies or some isolated molecule or explanation. But it'sbigger than all of them and yet perhaps smaller too, because it has to do with each of us individually. Alas, even so,my
Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
Amen...and thank you Joe. MD - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River, Hi Mike;You have really hit the nail there. As scientists though we like the generalities. We like to find a general rule which works for all the cases rather than just a special theory which explains a few of the cases. In that regard I have realized that one general rule I have pretty much found has no holes or exceptions is that all of the problems we face can ultimately be boiled down to a human problem. Things that don't work that we put under our microscope and hotly debate because we each zoom in to different aspects of it, can essentially be reduced to human failings. Whether it be a political system that doesn't work or a problem with our economic structure or what have you, it can be traced back to human failings like the seven deadly ones. To make it worse we often think we shine brightly and have a vision or an answer, but like a bright flashlight which has a hemisphere of darkness behind it, sometimes we are in the darkness of our own light. Scientists are terrible for this. But to me this is the best news that ever hit me. This means that collectively we can solve anything (potentially). We need to turn our flashlights around and get out of the darkness of our own light. This only requires that each little individual rise above their own failings. This is what Robert is talking about when he goes on about how to be a good Christian, not a dogmatic one. It is what we all feel somehow and express in different ways and at different times but we need to get more people thinking that way, somehow reach them in a way that doesn't make them feel it is a push from the outside but rather something that is theirs. I'm sure this is why Keith puts so much into what he does and the same for many others. It is a grand wish but imagine if we can do that, we will no longer need to debate which political system is best etc etc because everything will naturally fall into place. " You may say I'm a dreamerbut I'm not the only one" -thank you John Lennon for inspiring me with that song. I wish it had been the same for everyone. If so there would not be radioactive sludge leaking into the icy waters of the majestic Columbia river that I love and maybe the glacier that feeds it would not be receeding at an unprecedented rate. People would not be sent to their deaths for oil and others would not feel they needed to use their life as a weapon to fight back. It is brutally ironic to me that though we can scoff and say these problems are too huge and too far gone to solve any of it now, which is what a lot of people are doing and instead turn to self indulgence with a comment like here for a good time not a long time, the truth is that the solution is widespread but small. It is within each person. And therein lies our only true hope.JoeMK DuPree wrote: Hi Joe...today's the birthday of Vaclav Havel. From a mailing list I subscribe to, The Writer's Almanac: It's the birthday of one of the few writers ever to become the leader of a country, Czech dramatist and president Václav Havel, (books by this author) born in Prague (1936). In the 1960s, he wrote a series of absurdist plays, including The Garden Party (1964) and The Memorandum (1965), that attacked the Communist Party, describing the way in which the Communists were ruining the language by introducing all kinds of euphemisms and clichés. Havel kept protesting the government, refusing to go into exile the way so many other writers and artists in the country did. He was jailed several times, and then in 1989, after another arrest and imprisonment, he was released early because thousands of artists protested to the prime minister. He'd become a national hero. After the collapse of the Communist regime, he helped negotiate the transition to democracy, and in December of 1989, he was elected president, the first non-communist leader of his country since 1948. He stepped down from power in 2003. Václav Havel said, "If you want to see your plays performed the way you wrote them, become president." Not sure this has anything to do with being easy on Bob or calming down or what it means to "risk all" or "the ultimate necessary act" or the two faces of Joe, but wanted to mention it anyway. I'm hardly as talented as Havel and certainly don't have his guts, while thecliches and euphemisms we're faced with come from more and varied directions than just the government (and when it does come from the government, it comes from a government that is imm
Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
Hey Easy on Bob there Mike;
It's like you're throwing out the baby with the wash water there!
Despite his stubborn insistence on proof for everything (which is
admirable in a way) He has made significant effort to do good here and
in his lab and probably in a great many things or I'm sure we wouldn't
find him here. Myself I'm a bit of a walking conflict of interest.
LMAO. I want to believe things but I feel better with proof! And like
Keith I want to help people but I want them to help themselves. Maybe
one day my personality will straighten out and become one. And so will
mine! Shutup Joe I'm talking now. But anyways re the other stuff, I
guess you weren't around when I added a list of subversive key words to
the archives just for giggles. Yeah I have a messed up sense of humour
that most people don't get and I am just starting to realize it. But
I'm notI don't believe anything he says. Shutup Joe. Ahhh well just
because you are paranoid doesn't mean they're not watching you and
likewise just because you can't prove a thing doesn't mean it isn't
true right? Ok time to go. I have to install my FTIR. Hey that means
I'll be able to get definitive results for my biodee Bob! Yaaay!
Cheers
Joe
MK DuPree wrote:
Jeez
Joe...if your intent is to save me from "setting off alarm bells down
at the NSA" for emailing words like "risk all" or "ultimate necessary
act," why are you reiterating these words? And why are you asking me
what I mean by these words? Now I AM having difficulty
calming down.For the record, by "risk all" and "necessary act" I
mean...putting on a clown suit with big red nose and floppy hat and
making a child smile...or scare the crap out of him or her. Clowns
were always weird to me. Or those dummies ventriloquists would put on
their knee and make look like the dummy was talking. Remember that
episode of Twilight Zone where the dummy was the real guy and the guy
was the dummy?Then there was the Lone Ranger and his sidekick
Tonto...give me a break...but I sure bought into it when I was a kid
and TV was still new.Or Superman?Poor George Reeves...supposedly
killed himself, but there are inconsistencies surrounding the
incident. But I'm sure there's an explanation to it all...ask Bob.
He's an archetype now, even cultural icon,but feeling "awefull." Not
sure, myself, what it all means, except more crap piling up around me.
Now I'm beginning to feel awful too. But I'm still in awe.Forgive me
if I'm not expressing myself clearly enough.The NSA is watching.
Thanks Joe, for the heads up...and Bob, for the heads down.Perhaps
somewhere between the two of you I'll find my peace...where the river
glows. Mike DuPree
- Original Message -
From:
Joe Street
To:
biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent:
Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:46 AM
Subject:
Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
Hey man calm down. What do you mean by 'risk all' or 'ultimate
necessary act'. You're setting off alarm bells down at the NSA. Ever
been to Cuba? I hear it's nice this time of year.if you like
hurricanes and beatings. How about we all just go down and march
around with words painted on our naked bodies? That's got to get news
coverage!
Joe
MK DuPree wrote:
But does
it piss you...or any of us...off enough to do something that really
matters??? I'm not judging, just truly asking, because I'm just as
guilty, if there is guilt to be placed, as the next guy. We talk, we
rant, we rave...and the crap keeps piling up. Who will do what is
truly necessary and risk all to stop the absurdity Write words,
make movies, dance all around the edges of the ultimate, necessary
act,while the crap keeps piling up. How much crap will be enough?
What crap is enough? What crap do we attack first? There's so much of
itin every direction. Pissed off? HELL YESS I'M PISSED OFF. So
what?So what's new? We've become like the Bob's of the world, lost
all our sense of awe.Heads swollen with information thatmatters only
in how it tears us down instead of putting us back together. Isolated
littlemolecules who have lost all touch with the grandeur that
connects us all. We hide...fearful...alone.And what the heck does
"DHAJOGLO" stand for??? My name is Mike DuPree. I live in Lawrence,
Kansas. I'm going outside now.
- Original Message
-
From: "DHAJOGLO" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, October
03, 2006 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Glow, River,
If I recall, the US went
to war with Iraq because they were hiding WMD's from the inspectors.
Iraq would not let the inspectors into the weapons facilities. Based
on that, shouldn't we go to war with the DOE, or, at the very least,
Washington state? They are clearly hiding a large dirty bomb that's
been slowly exploding for several years.
Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
Hey D;
It's true. I work with a cuban guy and he tells me lots of stories
from when he lived there and he says exactly the same. They are very
happy though they have to line up for everything and struggle often to
have what they need. Right again about the sustainable farming. I
can't get over how the US government is still paranoid about Fidel.
WTF?
Joe
D. Mindock wrote:
I met a guy
last week at the local university who had just visited Cuba. He said
"Cubans are a very happy people. They have nothing much. They derive their happiness from their
relationships, basically." We here
in America have everything,
in comparison. But things do not bring happiness. I'd love to visit
Cuba. I flew
over Cuba coming back from
Panama last year, seemed to be pretty big.
I know they are big into
organic farming since that is what you do when you have nothing.
Peace, D. Mindock
-
Original Message -
From:
Joe Street
To:
biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent:
Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:46 AM
Subject:
Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
Hey man calm down. What do you mean by 'risk all' or 'ultimate
necessary act'. You're setting off alarm bells down at the NSA. Ever
been to Cuba? I hear it's nice this time of year.if you like
hurricanes and beatings. How about we all just go down and march
around with words painted on our naked bodies? That's got to get news
coverage!
Joe
MK DuPree wrote:
But does
it piss you...or any of us...off enough to do something that really
matters??? I'm not judging, just truly asking, because I'm just as
guilty, if there is guilt to be placed, as the next guy. We talk, we
rant, we rave...and the crap keeps piling up. Who will do what is
truly necessary and risk all to stop the absurdity Write words,
make movies, dance all around the edges of the ultimate, necessary
act,while the crap keeps piling up. How much crap will be enough?
What crap is enough? What crap do we attack first? There's so much of
itin every direction. Pissed off? HELL YESS I'M PISSED OFF. So
what?So what's new? We've become like the Bob's of the world, lost
all our sense of awe.Heads swollen with information thatmatters only
in how it tears us down instead of putting us back together. Isolated
littlemolecules who have lost all touch with the grandeur that
connects us all. We hide...fearful...alone.And what the heck does
"DHAJOGLO" stand for??? My name is Mike DuPree. I live in Lawrence,
Kansas. I'm going outside now.
- Original Message
-
From: "DHAJOGLO" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, October
03, 2006 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Glow, River,
If I recall, the US went
to war with Iraq because they were hiding WMD's from the inspectors.
Iraq would not let the inspectors into the weapons facilities. Based
on that, shouldn't we go to war with the DOE, or, at the very least,
Washington state? They are clearly hiding a large dirty bomb that's
been slowly exploding for several years.
Pisses me off.
Glow, River, Glow: Radioactive Leaks and Plumbers at Hanford
Jeffrey St. Clair
The outback of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in eastern
Washington
State is called the T-Farm, a rolling expanse of high desert
sloping
toward the last untamed reaches of the Columbia River. The T
stands
for tanks, huge single-hulled containers buried some fifty feet
beneath basalt volcanic rock and sand holding the lethal
detritus of
Hanford's fifty-year run as the nation's H-bomb factory.
...
John Brodeur is one of the nation's top environmental engineers
and a
world-class geologist. In 1997, after a whistleblower at Hanford
disclosed evidence that the groundwater beneath the central
plateau
had been contaminated by plumes of radioactivity, Hazel O'Leary
commissioned Brodeur to investigate how far the contamination
had
spread. It proved to be a nearly impossible assignment since
the DOE
and its contractors had taken extreme measures to conceal the
data or
avoid collecting it entirely.
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Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
Hi Joe...today's the birthday of Vaclav Havel. From a mailing list I subscribe to, The Writer's Almanac: It's the birthday of one of the few writers ever to become the leader of a country, Czech dramatist and president Václav Havel, (books by this author) born in Prague (1936). In the 1960s, he wrote a series of absurdist plays, including The Garden Party (1964) and The Memorandum (1965), that attacked the Communist Party, describing the way in which the Communists were ruining the language by introducing all kinds of euphemisms and clichés. Havel kept protesting the government, refusing to go into exile the way so many other writers and artists in the country did. He was jailed several times, and then in 1989, after another arrest and imprisonment, he was released early because thousands of artists protested to the prime minister. He'd become a national hero. After the collapse of the Communist regime, he helped negotiate the transition to democracy, and in December of 1989, he was elected president, the first non-communist leader of his country since 1948. He stepped down from power in 2003. Václav Havel said, "If you want to see your plays performed the way you wrote them, become president." Not sure this has anything to do with being easy on Bob or calming down or what it means to "risk all" or "the ultimate necessary act" or the two faces of Joe, but wanted to mention it anyway. I'm hardly as talented as Havel and certainly don't have his guts, while thecliches and euphemisms we're faced with come from more and varied directions than just the government (and when it does come from the government, it comes from a government that is immensely layeredbeyond anything Havel ever encountered). Ah well...I appreciate your sense of humor Joe, as well as your most recent posts to D., Kurt, and Robert. We're all faced with somethinghuge, complicated, and doing the best we can to deal with it. It would be nice to wrap it all up into one guy or a few of his cronies or some isolated molecule or explanation. But it'sbigger than all of them and yet perhaps smaller too, because it has to do with each of us individually. Alas, even so,my observationis that itis not any one of us alone or any group alone. ItIS immense beyond our comprehension, at least our discriminating comprehension, our comprehension that requires a "division of labor." That part of us helps us bounce off each other more casually than we might without it. Unfortunately, however, it's the part of us upon which we place too much of our attention and we find ourselves arguing about the efficacy of isolated molecules or virus, forgetting the individual is part of a greater, eternal existence, which words will never be able to accurately describe because of what it always is being. With our discriminating comprehension, we say something is this, forgetting that this is part of that. But what is that? I dont' know, except perhaps this: "That" is the question upon which we need to fix our discriminating comprehension in order to truly understand, and maneuver properly thereby among, each other because we have first been able to do so within ourselvesin our relationshipto that.Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River, Hey Easy on Bob there Mike;It's like you're throwing out the baby with the wash water there! Despite his stubborn insistence on proof for everything (which is admirable in a way) He has made significant effort to do good here and in his lab and probably in a great many things or I'm sure we wouldn't find him here. Myself I'm a bit of a walking conflict of interest. LMAO. I want to believe things but I feel better with proof! And like Keith I want to help people but I want them to help themselves. Maybe one day my personality will straighten out and become one. And so will mine! Shutup Joe I'm talking now. But anyways re the other stuff, I guess you weren't around when I added a list of subversive key words to the archives just for giggles. Yeah I have a messed up sense of humour that most people don't get and I am just starting to realize it. But I'm notI don't believe anything he says. Shutup Joe. Ahhh well just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they're not watching you and likewise just because you can't prove a thing doesn't mean it isn't true right? Ok time to go. I have to install my FTIR. Hey that means I'll be able to get definitive results for my biodee Bob! Yaaay!CheersJoeMK DuPree wrote: Jeez Joe...if your intent is to save me from "setting off alarm bells down at the NSA" for emailing words like "risk all" or "ultimate necessary act," why are you reiterating these w
Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River, Glow: Radioactive Leaks and Plumbers at Hanford
Hi, do you define this as recycling? or getting your own back.. And to all the US citizens, I express my condolences about the spate of recent shootings in US Schools. Now why do we not have issues like this in Australia?? regards Doug On Wednesday 04 October 2006 1:18, Keith Addison wrote: http://eatthestate.org/ Eat the State! (September 14, 2006) Glow, River, Glow: Radioactive Leaks and Plumbers at Hanford Jeffrey St. Clair The outback of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in eastern Washington State is called the T-Farm, a rolling expanse of high desert sloping toward the last untamed reaches of the Columbia River. The T stands for tanks, huge single-hulled containers buried some fifty feet beneath basalt volcanic rock and sand holding the lethal detritus of Hanford's fifty-year run as the nation's H-bomb factory. Those tanks had an expected lifespan of 35 years; the radioactive gumbo inside them has a half-life of 250,000 years. Dozens of those tanks have now started to corrode and leak, releasing the most toxic material on earth, plutonium- and uranium-contaminated sludge and liquid, on an inexorable path toward the Columbia, the world's most productive salmon fishery and the source of irrigation water for the farms and orchards of the Inland Empire, centered on Spokane in eastern Washington. Internal documents from the Department of Energy and various private contractors working at Hanford reveal that at least one million gallons of radioactive sludge has already leaked out of at least 67 different tanks. Those tanks and others continue to leak, and the leaks are getting much larger. One internal report shows the results from a borehole drilled into the ground between two of Hanford's largest tanks. Using gamma spectrometry, geologists detected a fifty-fold increase in contamination between 1996 and 2002. The leak from those tanks, and perhaps an underground pipeline, was described as insignificant a decade ago. Six years later that radioactive dribble had swelled up into a continuous plume of highly radioactive Cesium-137. Obviously, there's been a major radioactive breach from those tanks. But to date the Department of Energy has refused to publicly report the incident, even though it was reported by their own geologists. A few hundred yards away, a tank called TY-102, the third largest tank at Hanford, is also leaking. Radioactive water is draining out of this single-hulled container and a broken subsurface pipe into what geologists call the vadose zone, the stratum of subsurface soil just above the water table. In an internal 1998 report, the Grand Junction Office of the DOE detected significant contamination 42 to 52 feet below the surface and concluded in a memo to Hanford managers that the high levels of gamma radiation came from a subsurface source of Cesium-137, which likely resulted from leakage from tank TY-102. This alarming report was swiftly buried by Hanford officials. So too was the evidence of leakage at tanks TY-103 and TY-106. Instead, the DOE publicly declared that portion of the tank farm to be controlled, clean, and stable. No surprises here. The long-standing strategy of the DOE has been to conceal any evidence of radioactive leaking at Hanford, a policy that was excoriated in a 1980 internal review by the department's Inspector General, which concluded that Hanford's existing waste management policies and practices have themselves sufficed to keep publicity about possible tank leaks to a minimum. Needless to say, the Reagan years didn't augur a new forthrightness from the people who run Hanford. Seven years and several congressional hearings after the Inspector General's report was released, bureaucratic cover-up and public denial were still the DOE's operational reflex to any disturbing data bubbling up out of Hanford's boreholes. By 1987, Hanford officials had learned an important lesson in the art of concealment. The easiest way to avoid bad press and public hostility was simply to stop monitoring sites that seemed most likely to produce unpleasant information. It is now clear that the tanks began leaking as early as 1956, only a few years after the Atomic Energy Commission began pumping the poisonous sludge into the giant subterranean containers. It is also clear that the federal government covered up evidence of those leaks since the moment it learned of them. How many tanks are leaking? How far has the contamination spread? The DOE isn't talking. It isn't even looking for answers. But geologists estimated that the faster-migrating contaminants, such as uranium, will move from the groundwater beneath Hanford's central plateau to the Columbia in something around 25 years. That means that the first traces of radiated water could have started seeping into the Columbia in 2001. This reckless strategy persists. In a document called Official Characterization Plan of Hanford -
Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River, Glow: Radioactive Leaks and Plumbers at Hanford
I express my condolences about the spate of recent shootings in US Schools. Now why do we not have issues like this in Australia?? because, only in america can a punk kid get away with torturing a classmate without immediate retribution, pushing the victim to violence. jason -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/461 - Release Date: 10/2/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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If I recall, the US went to war with Iraq because they were hiding WMD's from the inspectors. Iraq would not let the inspectors into the weapons facilities. Based on that, shouldn't we go to war with the DOE, or, at the very least, Washington state? They are clearly hiding a large dirty bomb that's been slowly exploding for several years. Pisses me off. Glow, River, Glow: Radioactive Leaks and Plumbers at Hanford Jeffrey St. Clair The outback of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in eastern Washington State is called the T-Farm, a rolling expanse of high desert sloping toward the last untamed reaches of the Columbia River. The T stands for tanks, huge single-hulled containers buried some fifty feet beneath basalt volcanic rock and sand holding the lethal detritus of Hanford's fifty-year run as the nation's H-bomb factory. ... John Brodeur is one of the nation's top environmental engineers and a world-class geologist. In 1997, after a whistleblower at Hanford disclosed evidence that the groundwater beneath the central plateau had been contaminated by plumes of radioactivity, Hazel O'Leary commissioned Brodeur to investigate how far the contamination had spread. It proved to be a nearly impossible assignment since the DOE and its contractors had taken extreme measures to conceal the data or avoid collecting it entirely. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
But does it piss you...or any of us...off enough to do something that really matters??? I'm not judging, just truly asking, because I'm just as guilty, if there is guilt to be placed, as the next guy. We talk, we rant, we rave...and the crap keeps piling up. Who will do what is truly necessary and risk all to stop the absurdity Write words, make movies, dance all around the edges of the ultimate, necessary act,while the crap keeps piling up. How much crap will be enough? What crap is enough? What crap do we attack first? There's so much of itin every direction. Pissed off? HELL YESS I'M PISSED OFF. So what?So what's new? We've become like the Bob's of the world, lost all our sense of awe.Heads swollen with information thatmatters only in how it tears us down instead of putting us back together. Isolated littlemolecules who have lost all touch with the grandeur that connects us all. We hide...fearful...alone.And what the heck does "DHAJOGLO" stand for??? My name is Mike DuPree. I live in Lawrence, Kansas. I'm going outside now. - Original Message - From: "DHAJOGLO" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River, If I recall, the US went to war with Iraq because they were hiding WMD's from the inspectors. Iraq would not let the inspectors into the weapons facilities. Based on that, shouldn't we go to war with the DOE, or, at the very least, Washington state? They are clearly hiding a large dirty bomb that's been slowly exploding for several years. Pisses me off. Glow, River, Glow: Radioactive Leaks and Plumbers at HanfordJeffrey St. ClairThe outback of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in eastern WashingtonState is called the T-Farm, a rolling expanse of high desert slopingtoward the last untamed reaches of the Columbia River. The T standsfor tanks, huge single-hulled containers buried some fifty feetbeneath basalt volcanic rock and sand holding the lethal detritus ofHanford's fifty-year run as the nation's H-bomb factory. ...John Brodeur is one of the nation's top environmental engineers and aworld-class geologist. In 1997, after a whistleblower at Hanforddisclosed evidence that the groundwater beneath the central plateauhad been contaminated by plumes of radioactivity, Hazel O'Learycommissioned Brodeur to investigate how far the contamination hadspread. It proved to be a nearly impossible assignment since the DOEand its contractors had taken extreme measures to conceal the data oravoid collecting it entirely. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
Hey man calm down. What do you mean by 'risk all' or 'ultimate necessary act'. You're setting off alarm bells down at the NSA. Ever been to Cuba? I hear it's nice this time of year.if you like hurricanes and beatings. How about we all just go down and march around with words painted on our naked bodies? That's got to get news coverage! Joe MK DuPree wrote: But does it piss you...or any of us...off enough to do something that really matters??? I'm not judging, just truly asking, because I'm just as guilty, if there is guilt to be placed, as the next guy. We talk, we rant, we rave...and the crap keeps piling up. Who will do what is truly necessary and risk all to stop the absurdity Write words, make movies, dance all around the edges of the ultimate, necessary act,while the crap keeps piling up. How much crap will be enough? What crap is enough? What crap do we attack first? There's so much of itin every direction. Pissed off? HELL YESS I'M PISSED OFF. So what?So what's new? We've become like the Bob's of the world, lost all our sense of awe.Heads swollen with information thatmatters only in how it tears us down instead of putting us back together. Isolated littlemolecules who have lost all touch with the grandeur that connects us all. We hide...fearful...alone.And what the heck does "DHAJOGLO" stand for??? My name is Mike DuPree. I live in Lawrence, Kansas. I'm going outside now. - Original Message - From: "DHAJOGLO" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River, If I recall, the US went to war with Iraq because they were hiding WMD's from the inspectors. Iraq would not let the inspectors into the weapons facilities. Based on that, shouldn't we go to war with the DOE, or, at the very least, Washington state? They are clearly hiding a large dirty bomb that's been slowly exploding for several years. Pisses me off. Glow, River, Glow: Radioactive Leaks and Plumbers at Hanford Jeffrey St. Clair The outback of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in eastern Washington State is called the T-Farm, a rolling expanse of high desert sloping toward the last untamed reaches of the Columbia River. The T stands for tanks, huge single-hulled containers buried some fifty feet beneath basalt volcanic rock and sand holding the lethal detritus of Hanford's fifty-year run as the nation's H-bomb factory. ... John Brodeur is one of the nation's top environmental engineers and a world-class geologist. In 1997, after a whistleblower at Hanford disclosed evidence that the groundwater beneath the central plateau had been contaminated by plumes of radioactivity, Hazel O'Leary commissioned Brodeur to investigate how far the contamination had spread. It proved to be a nearly impossible assignment since the DOE and its contractors had taken extreme measures to conceal the data or avoid collecting it entirely. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
Ah yes, I nearly always forget to answer with my proper name: Dave. But you can call me dhajoglo for short. And what the heck does DHAJOGLO stand for??? My name is Mike DuPree. I live in Lawrence, Kansas. I'm going outside now. - Original Message - From: DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River, If I recall, the US went to war with Iraq because they were hiding WMD's from the inspectors. Iraq would not let the inspectors into the weapons facilities. Based on that, shouldn't we go to war with the DOE, or, at the very least, Washington state? They are clearly hiding a large dirty bomb that's been slowly exploding for several years. Pisses me off. Glow, River, Glow: Radioactive Leaks and Plumbers at Hanford Jeffrey St. Clair The outback of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in eastern Washington State is called the T-Farm, a rolling expanse of high desert sloping toward the last untamed reaches of the Columbia River. The T stands for tanks, huge single-hulled containers buried some fifty feet beneath basalt volcanic rock and sand holding the lethal detritus of Hanford's fifty-year run as the nation's H-bomb factory. ... John Brodeur is one of the nation's top environmental engineers and a world-class geologist. In 1997, after a whistleblower at Hanford disclosed evidence that the groundwater beneath the central plateau had been contaminated by plumes of radioactivity, Hazel O'Leary commissioned Brodeur to investigate how far the contamination had spread. It proved to be a nearly impossible assignment since the DOE and its contractors had taken extreme measures to conceal the data or avoid collecting it entirely. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
MK DuPree wrote: snip wow, I've become an archetype, even an cultural icon. :-) We've become like the Bob's of the world, lost all our sense of awe. oh, that's just awefull -- Bob ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
Jeez Joe...if your intent
is to save me from "setting off alarm bells down at the NSA" for emailing words
like "risk all" or "ultimate necessary act," why are you reiterating these
words? And why are you asking me what I mean by these words? Now I
AM having difficulty calming down.For the record, by "risk
all" and "necessary act" I mean...putting on a clown suit with big red nose and
floppy hat and making a child smile...or scare the crap out of him or her.
Clowns were always weird to me. Or those dummies ventriloquists would put
on their knee and make look like the dummy was talking. Remember that
episode of Twilight Zone where the dummy was the real guy and the guy was the
dummy?Then there was the Lone Ranger and his sidekick Tonto...give
me a break...but I sure bought into it when I was a kid and TV was still
new.Or Superman?Poor George Reeves...supposedly killed
himself, but there are inconsistencies surrounding the incident. But I'm
sure there's an explanation to it all...ask Bob. He's an archetype now,
even cultural icon,but feeling "awefull." Not sure, myself, what it
all means, except more crap piling up around me. Now I'm beginning to feel
awful too. But I'm still in awe.Forgive me if I'm not
expressing myself clearly enough.The NSA is watching. Thanks
Joe, for the heads up...and Bob, for the heads down.Perhaps
somewhere between the two of you I'll find my peace...where the river
glows. Mike DuPree
- Original Message -
From:
Joe Street
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:46
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
Hey man calm down. What do you mean by 'risk all'
or 'ultimate necessary act'. You're setting off alarm bells down
at the NSA. Ever been to Cuba? I hear it's nice this time of
year.if you like hurricanes and beatings. How about we all just go
down and march around with words painted on our naked bodies? That's got
to get news coverage!JoeMK DuPree wrote:
But does it piss
you...or any of us...off enough to do something that really matters???
I'm not judging, just truly asking, because I'm just as guilty, if there is
guilt to be placed, as the next guy. We talk, we rant, we rave...and
the crap keeps piling up. Who will do what is truly necessary and risk
all to stop the absurdity Write words, make movies, dance all
around the edges of the ultimate, necessary act,while the crap keeps
piling up. How much crap will be enough? What crap is
enough? What crap do we attack first? There's so much of
itin every direction. Pissed off? HELL YESS I'M PISSED
OFF. So what?So what's new? We've become like the
Bob's of the world, lost all our sense of awe.Heads swollen with
information thatmatters only in how it tears us down instead of
putting us back together. Isolated littlemolecules who have lost
all touch with the grandeur that connects us all. We
hide...fearful...alone.And what the heck does "DHAJOGLO" stand
for??? My name is Mike DuPree. I live in Lawrence, Kansas.
I'm going outside now.
- Original Message -
From: "DHAJOGLO" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:47
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glow,
River,
If I recall, the US went to war with Iraq because they were
hiding WMD's from the inspectors. Iraq would not let the inspectors
into the weapons facilities. Based on that, shouldn't we go to war
with the DOE, or, at the very least, Washington state? They are
clearly hiding a large dirty bomb that's been slowly exploding for several
years. Pisses me off. Glow, River,
Glow: Radioactive Leaks and Plumbers at
HanfordJeffrey St. ClairThe
outback of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in eastern
WashingtonState is called the T-Farm, a rolling expanse of high
desert slopingtoward the last untamed reaches of the Columbia
River. The T standsfor tanks, huge single-hulled containers
buried some fifty feetbeneath basalt volcanic rock and sand
holding the lethal detritus ofHanford's fifty-year run as the
nation's H-bomb factory. ...John Brodeur is one of the
nation's top environmental engineers and aworld-class geologist.
In 1997, after a whistleblower at Hanforddisclosed evidence that
the groundwater beneath the central plateauhad been contaminated
by plumes of radioactivity, Hazel O'Learycommissioned Brodeur to
investigate how far the contamination hadspread. It proved to be
a nearly impossible assignment since the DOEand its contractors
had taken extreme measures to conceal the data oravoid
collecting it entirely.
___ Biofuel mailing
Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
I met a guy last week at
the local university who had just visited Cuba. He said "Cubans are a very happy
people. They have nothing much. They
derive their happiness from their relationships, basically." We
here
in America have everything, in
comparison. But things do not bring happiness. I'd love to visit Cuba. I
flew
over Cuba coming back from Panama last
year, seemed to be pretty big.
I know they are big into organic farming
since that is what you do when you have nothing.
Peace, D. Mindock
- Original Message -
From:
Joe Street
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:46
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
Hey man calm down. What do you mean by 'risk all'
or 'ultimate necessary act'. You're setting off alarm bells down
at the NSA. Ever been to Cuba? I hear it's nice this time of
year.if you like hurricanes and beatings. How about we all just go
down and march around with words painted on our naked bodies? That's got
to get news coverage!JoeMK DuPree wrote:
But does it piss
you...or any of us...off enough to do something that really matters???
I'm not judging, just truly asking, because I'm just as guilty, if there is
guilt to be placed, as the next guy. We talk, we rant, we rave...and
the crap keeps piling up. Who will do what is truly necessary and risk
all to stop the absurdity Write words, make movies, dance all
around the edges of the ultimate, necessary act,while the crap keeps
piling up. How much crap will be enough? What crap is
enough? What crap do we attack first? There's so much of
itin every direction. Pissed off? HELL YESS I'M PISSED
OFF. So what?So what's new? We've become like the
Bob's of the world, lost all our sense of awe.Heads swollen with
information thatmatters only in how it tears us down instead of
putting us back together. Isolated littlemolecules who have lost
all touch with the grandeur that connects us all. We
hide...fearful...alone.And what the heck does "DHAJOGLO" stand
for??? My name is Mike DuPree. I live in Lawrence, Kansas.
I'm going outside now.
- Original Message -
From: "DHAJOGLO" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:47
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glow,
River,
If I recall, the US went to war with Iraq because they were
hiding WMD's from the inspectors. Iraq would not let the inspectors
into the weapons facilities. Based on that, shouldn't we go to war
with the DOE, or, at the very least, Washington state? They are
clearly hiding a large dirty bomb that's been slowly exploding for several
years. Pisses me off. Glow, River,
Glow: Radioactive Leaks and Plumbers at
HanfordJeffrey St. ClairThe
outback of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in eastern
WashingtonState is called the T-Farm, a rolling expanse of high
desert slopingtoward the last untamed reaches of the Columbia
River. The T standsfor tanks, huge single-hulled containers
buried some fifty feetbeneath basalt volcanic rock and sand
holding the lethal detritus ofHanford's fifty-year run as the
nation's H-bomb factory. ...John Brodeur is one of the
nation's top environmental engineers and aworld-class geologist.
In 1997, after a whistleblower at Hanforddisclosed evidence that
the groundwater beneath the central plateauhad been contaminated
by plumes of radioactivity, Hazel O'Learycommissioned Brodeur to
investigate how far the contamination hadspread. It proved to be
a nearly impossible assignment since the DOEand its contractors
had taken extreme measures to conceal the data oravoid
collecting it entirely.
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Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,
From everything I have read, Cuba is a true success story .. an almost tribal concept .. A good thing. Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ http://allcreatureconnections.org From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River, Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:57:38 -0500 I met a guy last week at the local university who had just visited Cuba. He said Cubans are a very happy people. They have nothing much. They derive their happiness from their relationships, basically. We here in America have everything, in comparison. But things do not bring happiness. I'd love to visit Cuba. I flew over Cuba coming back from Panama last year, seemed to be pretty big. I know they are big into organic farming since that is what you do when you have nothing. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River, Hey man calm down. What do you mean by 'risk all' or 'ultimate necessary act'. You're setting off alarm bells down at the NSA. Ever been to Cuba? I hear it's nice this time of year.if you like hurricanes and beatings. How about we all just go down and march around with words painted on our naked bodies? That's got to get news coverage! Joe MK DuPree wrote: But does it piss you...or any of us...off enough to do something that really matters??? I'm not judging, just truly asking, because I'm just as guilty, if there is guilt to be placed, as the next guy. We talk, we rant, we rave...and the crap keeps piling up. Who will do what is truly necessary and risk all to stop the absurdity Write words, make movies, dance all around the edges of the ultimate, necessary act, while the crap keeps piling up. How much crap will be enough? What crap is enough? What crap do we attack first? There's so much of it in every direction. Pissed off? HELL YESS I'M PISSED OFF. So what? So what's new? We've become like the Bob's of the world, lost all our sense of awe. Heads swollen with information that matters only in how it tears us down instead of putting us back together. Isolated little molecules who have lost all touch with the grandeur that connects us all. We hide...fearful...alone. And what the heck does DHAJOGLO stand for??? My name is Mike DuPree. I live in Lawrence, Kansas. I'm going outside now. - Original Message - From: DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River, If I recall, the US went to war with Iraq because they were hiding WMD's from the inspectors. Iraq would not let the inspectors into the weapons facilities. Based on that, shouldn't we go to war with the DOE, or, at the very least, Washington state? They are clearly hiding a large dirty bomb that's been slowly exploding for several years. Pisses me off. Glow, River, Glow: Radioactive Leaks and Plumbers at Hanford Jeffrey St. Clair The outback of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in eastern Washington State is called the T-Farm, a rolling expanse of high desert sloping toward the last untamed reaches of the Columbia River. The T stands for tanks, huge single-hulled containers buried some fifty feet beneath basalt volcanic rock and sand holding the lethal detritus of Hanford's fifty-year run as the nation's H-bomb factory. ... John Brodeur is one of the nation's top environmental engineers and a world-class geologist. In 1997, after a whistleblower at Hanford disclosed evidence that the groundwater beneath the central plateau had been contaminated by plumes of radioactivity, Hazel O'Leary commissioned Brodeur to investigate how far the contamination had spread. It proved to be a nearly impossible assignment since the DOE and its contractors had taken extreme measures to conceal the data or avoid collecting it entirely. ___ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org
