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Have you done any energy loss calculations on your house? Unless you have prior bills, that's probably the only way to get a decent figure for how much fuel you'll need. Houses vary too much to be able to give a decent average number, even assuming the same climate. You can get fancy programs and such to simualte energy use, but I'd just use a simple UA analysis and heating degree days to get a ballpark. And it depends alot on your comfort level too. I happen to like 60F much better than 70F. On 1/5/06, David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Doug, I am pretty sure that it is probably cooler here in Minnesota. I call it the great tundra wasteland. :-) I did some searching on the internet for #2 grade heating oil and it is running in the $2.00-$2.30 a gallon range. Eeek! Well I believe that I can use/make BD of less than that. Even if I had to buy WVO from the local BD co-op (not a bad thing) at a 1.00 a gallon, I think I would still be under the going rate for #2 heating oil. 500 gallons? That's a lot. I would have thought that it would be a lot less... maybe I am not in the know. For example, my wife and I have our house thermostat set at a fairly low (at least according to our friends) 17 degrees C. WOW! that is 62-63 F. I keep it at 66F or 19C. What are your thoughts? Dave --- Doug Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave: I live in Hamilton, Ontario, which is on the western end of Lake Ontario and about the same latitude as Rome. Last year, which was somewhat colder than normal, we used approximately 500US gallons of #2 Fuel Oil to heat our house at a cost of $1,400 CND. You should probably talk to a fuel oil distributor to get an idea of what the average usage in Minnesota will be. I suspect that average usage in your area will be somewhat higher then it is here. You live further north than I do and I suspect that you also have a more continental climate. But as I'm sure you are aware, there are a lot of things that can impact your fuel usage. For example, my wife and I have our house thermostat set at a fairly low (at least according to our friends) 17 degrees C. Hope this helps, Doug Turner __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hi David: I may have made a mistake in my metric to US conversion but I believe that the 1900 litres we used last year is close to 500 US gallons. As I mentioned, it was an unusually cold winter here so this might not be a good indicator. A local fuel oil supplier would be able to give you a better idea. Just call and tell them that you are considering an oil furnace and you wonder about the operating costs. We just had an energy audit done this summer and there are some very significant areas where we can improve the efficiency of our house, which as it turns out is not very efficient. This was expected. The house is a story and a half double-brick construction built in 1952, an era when energy costs were not a concern. So I believe that with a little work and not too much money we can significantly lower our fuel usage which will be beneficial regardless of the fuel. With respect to the price of fuel oil, right now I'm paying 75 cents per litre or about $2.85 per US gallon (about $2.45 US) so there is not that much of a price differential. Many of my neighbours use natural gas and pay a fair bit more (15-25%) for winter heating. I'm not sure about the total cost of creating BD because you have to get the NaOH (which is a relatively small portion of the cost) and the methanol (much higher percent of the total cost) and there is some energy added to the process, but BD makes sense from an environmental stand-point, particularly if you are using WVO that would be discarded anyway. As for the house temperature, it's a little low by North American standards but we have friends who have immigrated from Europe and they find it quite pleasant. Just buy a few extra sweaters and eat more :) TTYL Doug Turner - Original Message - From: David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question Hi Doug, I am pretty sure that it is probably cooler here in Minnesota. I call it the great tundra wasteland. :-) I did some searching on the internet for #2 grade heating oil and it is running in the $2.00-$2.30 a gallon range. Eeek! Well I believe that I can use/make BD of less than that. Even if I had to buy WVO from the local BD co-op (not a bad thing) at a 1.00 a gallon, I think I would still be under the going rate for #2 heating oil. 500 gallons? That's a lot. I would have thought that it would be a lot less... maybe I am not in the know. For example, my wife and I have our house thermostat set at a fairly low (at least according to our friends) 17 degrees C. WOW! that is 62-63 F. I keep it at 66F or 19C. What are your thoughts? Dave --- Doug Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave: I live in Hamilton, Ontario, which is on the western end of Lake Ontario and about the same latitude as Rome. Last year, which was somewhat colder than normal, we used approximately 500US gallons of #2 Fuel Oil to heat our house at a cost of $1,400 CND. You should probably talk to a fuel oil distributor to get an idea of what the average usage in Minnesota will be. I suspect that average usage in your area will be somewhat higher then it is here. You live further north than I do and I suspect that you also have a more continental climate. But as I'm sure you are aware, there are a lot of things that can impact your fuel usage. For example, my wife and I have our house thermostat set at a fairly low (at least according to our friends) 17 degrees C. Hope this helps, Doug Turner __ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Thanks for your input. Our house is really bad in the insulation area. I have done some remodeling and the insulation that I have put has helped a lot in those rooms, but the upper floor pretty much doesn't have any. I need to replace the furnace so I thought BD would be a great solution to help the enviroment a little bit and cut my costs also. Dave --- Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you done any energy loss calculations on your house? Unless you have prior bills, that's probably the only way to get a decent figure for how much fuel you'll need. Houses vary too much to be able to give a decent average number, even assuming the same climate. You can get fancy programs and such to simualte energy use, but I'd just use a simple UA analysis and heating degree days to get a ballpark. And it depends alot on your comfort level too. I happen to like 60F much better than 70F. On 1/5/06, David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Doug, I am pretty sure that it is probably cooler here in Minnesota. I call it the great tundra wasteland. :-) I did some searching on the internet for #2 grade heating oil and it is running in the $2.00-$2.30 a gallon range. Eeek! Well I believe that I can use/make BD of less than that. Even if I had to buy WVO from the local BD co-op (not a bad thing) at a 1.00 a gallon, I think I would still be under the going rate for #2 heating oil. 500 gallons? That's a lot. I would have thought that it would be a lot less... maybe I am not in the know. For example, my wife and I have our house thermostat set at a fairly low (at least according to our friends) 17 degrees C. WOW! that is 62-63 F. I keep it at 66F or 19C. What are your thoughts? Dave --- Doug Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave: I live in Hamilton, Ontario, which is on the western end of Lake Ontario and about the same latitude as Rome. Last year, which was somewhat colder than normal, we used approximately 500US gallons of #2 Fuel Oil to heat our house at a cost of $1,400 CND. You should probably talk to a fuel oil distributor to get an idea of what the average usage in Minnesota will be. I suspect that average usage in your area will be somewhat higher then it is here. You live further north than I do and I suspect that you also have a more continental climate. But as I'm sure you are aware, there are a lot of things that can impact your fuel usage. For example, my wife and I have our house thermostat set at a fairly low (at least according to our friends) 17 degrees C. Hope this helps, Doug Turner __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hi Doug, Thanks for your input! I am going to call around to see what people are generally using. The house is a story and a half double-brick construction built in 1952, an era when energy costs were not a concern. Not too shabby! Our house was built in 1896 by some Italian immigrants that used to run a meat store. Anyways, long story, shorter, they built this house and didn't have a lot of money so they used wood shavings that the meat was packed in.. Cubic yards of shavings fill the walls and really don't do much for keeping the heat in. Just buy a few extra sweaters and eat more :) I can handle that. :-) Dave __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Check out this news group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/altfuelfurnace/ It is all about heating w/ biod. and it is packed full of good info. james demer On 1/4/06, David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Doug, Nice to meet you and all of the other people on the list. Canada, huh... I am thinking that it is really cold, I guess depending on where you live. I have a friend that used to live in Montreal a couple of years ago and they had a real nasty streak of -35F...Brrr. Well I am thinking that I can get a oil fired furnace that can use BD and save a lot of money. Natural gas here in Minnesota is sky high!!! And that is with a really mild winter so far. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_heaters.html#homeheat. Ya I have read that and a lot of the site so far. I still need to drill down on some of the links though Great Info! There is a BD coop that will deliver waste oil for 1.00 a gallon, so I was hoping that I could get by with 150 gallons for the winter, maybe not, but it still is a not nearly what I am pay for a month now. So with a furnance that needs to go next year, I thought I would do some research and make the pludge along with a oil fired water heater as well. Other than the eating ruber thing, I wouldn't think there is much difference that regular home heating oil, but I might be wrong. Dave Please check out my new web page at http://www.japanish.org Just cut and paste into your web browser. __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Thanks for the pointer! Dave --- james demer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out this news group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/altfuelfurnace/ It is all about heating w/ biod. and it is packed full of good info. james demer On 1/4/06, David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Doug, Nice to meet you and all of the other people on the list. Canada, huh... I am thinking that it is really cold, I guess depending on where you live. I have a friend that used to live in Montreal a couple of years ago and they had a real nasty streak of -35F...Brrr. Well I am thinking that I can get a oil fired furnace that can use BD and save a lot of money. Natural gas here in Minnesota is sky high!!! And that is with a really mild winter so far. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_heaters.html#homeheat. Ya I have read that and a lot of the site so far. I still need to drill down on some of the links though Great Info! There is a BD coop that will deliver waste oil for 1.00 a gallon, so I was hoping that I could get by with 150 gallons for the winter, maybe not, but it still is a not nearly what I am pay for a month now. So with a furnance that needs to go next year, I thought I would do some research and make the pludge along with a oil fired water heater as well. Other than the eating ruber thing, I wouldn't think there is much difference that regular home heating oil, but I might be wrong. Dave Please check out my new web page at http://www.japanish.org Just cut and paste into your web browser. __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hi Dave: I live in Hamilton, Ontario, which is on the western end of Lake Ontario and about the same latitude as Rome. Last year, which was somewhat colder than normal, we used approximately 500US gallons of #2 Fuel Oil to heat our house at a cost of $1,400 CND. You should probably talk to a fuel oil distributor to get an idea of what the average usage in Minnesota will be. I suspect that average usage in your area will be somewhat higher then it is here. You live further north than I do and I suspect that you also have a more continental climate. But as I'm sure you are aware, there are a lot of things that can impact your fuel usage. For example, my wife and I have our house thermostat set at a fairly low (at least according to our friends) 17 degrees C. Hope this helps, Doug Turner - Original Message - From: David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question Hello Doug, I guess I am in luck. I was looking at the wilsons link you sent and they recommend the Kerr furnances and boilers for BD. I looked at the Kerr link from Wilsons and they have a distributor in Duluth Minnesota How much oil do you think I need for the winter months? Dave --- Doug Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi David: There is some information on using BD as home heating fuel on the JtF site, for example, http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_heaters.html#homeheat. Here in Canada there is a company called Wilson's Fuels, http://www.wilsons.ca/home_heat/biofuel.html in Nova Scotia that is selling B20 home heating oil and they are using waste fish oil as their feedstock. According to Wilson's website, both B20 and B100 can be used as home heating oil provided your oil storage tank is indoors. I'm waiting to hear from my furnace manufacturer before putting any BD in my oil tank. Anyway, Irving Oil is also a Canadian company. It dominates the markets in the Maritimes but I suspect that they don't have any operations in Minnesota. Good luck with your search and please share your findings, Doug Turner - Original Message - From: David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Intro / Question Hello All, I thought I should introduce myself and start a conversation in the process. I am interested in Biofuels as an alternative to the fossil fuels. I believe that with all the technology that man posses that it is a shame that we can't, or maybe I should say, won't create a ultra fuel efficient means of transportation. That being said, I drive a small Suzuki car and in the non-icey road months I ride a vespa. I am looking into getting an older diesel car/van/truck that can be run off of Biodiesel. I currantly live in St. Paul, Minnesota, USA and I am interested in meeting/talking to like minded people... Along those lines, have anyone looked at converting their home heating furnace/water heater to Biodiesel? I found this company http://www.irvingoilco.com/homeheat/product4.html that looks interesting. Dave __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel
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Hi Doug, I am pretty sure that it is probably cooler here in Minnesota. I call it the great tundra wasteland. :-) I did some searching on the internet for #2 grade heating oil and it is running in the $2.00-$2.30 a gallon range. Eeek! Well I believe that I can use/make BD of less than that. Even if I had to buy WVO from the local BD co-op (not a bad thing) at a 1.00 a gallon, I think I would still be under the going rate for #2 heating oil. 500 gallons? That's a lot. I would have thought that it would be a lot less... maybe I am not in the know. For example, my wife and I have our house thermostat set at a fairly low (at least according to our friends) 17 degrees C. WOW! that is 62-63 F. I keep it at 66F or 19C. What are your thoughts? Dave --- Doug Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave: I live in Hamilton, Ontario, which is on the western end of Lake Ontario and about the same latitude as Rome. Last year, which was somewhat colder than normal, we used approximately 500US gallons of #2 Fuel Oil to heat our house at a cost of $1,400 CND. You should probably talk to a fuel oil distributor to get an idea of what the average usage in Minnesota will be. I suspect that average usage in your area will be somewhat higher then it is here. You live further north than I do and I suspect that you also have a more continental climate. But as I'm sure you are aware, there are a lot of things that can impact your fuel usage. For example, my wife and I have our house thermostat set at a fairly low (at least according to our friends) 17 degrees C. Hope this helps, Doug Turner __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hi David: There is some information on using BD as home heating fuel on the JtF site, for example, http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_heaters.html#homeheat. Here in Canada there is a company called Wilson's Fuels, http://www.wilsons.ca/home_heat/biofuel.html in Nova Scotia that is selling B20 home heating oil and they are using waste fish oil as their feedstock. According to Wilson's website, both B20 and B100 can be used as home heating oil provided your oil storage tank is indoors. I'm waiting to hear from my furnace manufacturer before putting any BD in my oil tank. Anyway, Irving Oil is also a Canadian company. It dominates the markets in the Maritimes but I suspect that they don't have any operations in Minnesota. Good luck with your search and please share your findings, Doug Turner - Original Message - From: David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Intro / Question Hello All, I thought I should introduce myself and start a conversation in the process. I am interested in Biofuels as an alternative to the fossil fuels. I believe that with all the technology that man posses that it is a shame that we can't, or maybe I should say, won't create a ultra fuel efficient means of transportation. That being said, I drive a small Suzuki car and in the non-icey road months I ride a vespa. I am looking into getting an older diesel car/van/truck that can be run off of Biodiesel. I currantly live in St. Paul, Minnesota, USA and I am interested in meeting/talking to like minded people... Along those lines, have anyone looked at converting their home heating furnace/water heater to Biodiesel? I found this company http://www.irvingoilco.com/homeheat/product4.html that looks interesting. Dave __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hello Doug, I guess I am in luck. I was looking at the wilsons link you sent and they recommend the Kerr furnances and boilers for BD. I looked at the Kerr link from Wilsons and they have a distributor in Duluth Minnesota How much oil do you think I need for the winter months? Dave --- Doug Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi David: There is some information on using BD as home heating fuel on the JtF site, for example, http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_heaters.html#homeheat. Here in Canada there is a company called Wilson's Fuels, http://www.wilsons.ca/home_heat/biofuel.html in Nova Scotia that is selling B20 home heating oil and they are using waste fish oil as their feedstock. According to Wilson's website, both B20 and B100 can be used as home heating oil provided your oil storage tank is indoors. I'm waiting to hear from my furnace manufacturer before putting any BD in my oil tank. Anyway, Irving Oil is also a Canadian company. It dominates the markets in the Maritimes but I suspect that they don't have any operations in Minnesota. Good luck with your search and please share your findings, Doug Turner - Original Message - From: David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Intro / Question Hello All, I thought I should introduce myself and start a conversation in the process. I am interested in Biofuels as an alternative to the fossil fuels. I believe that with all the technology that man posses that it is a shame that we can't, or maybe I should say, won't create a ultra fuel efficient means of transportation. That being said, I drive a small Suzuki car and in the non-icey road months I ride a vespa. I am looking into getting an older diesel car/van/truck that can be run off of Biodiesel. I currantly live in St. Paul, Minnesota, USA and I am interested in meeting/talking to like minded people... Along those lines, have anyone looked at converting their home heating furnace/water heater to Biodiesel? I found this company http://www.irvingoilco.com/homeheat/product4.html that looks interesting. Dave __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hello Doug, Nice to meet you and all of the other people on the list. Canada, huh... I am thinking that it is really cold, I guess depending on where you live. I have a friend that used to live in Montreal a couple of years ago and they had a real nasty streak of -35F...Brrr. Well I am thinking that I can get a oil fired furnace that can use BD and save a lot of money. Natural gas here in Minnesota is sky high!!! And that is with a really mild winter so far. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_heaters.html#homeheat. Ya I have read that and a lot of the site so far. I still need to drill down on some of the links though Great Info! There is a BD coop that will deliver waste oil for 1.00 a gallon, so I was hoping that I could get by with 150 gallons for the winter, maybe not, but it still is a not nearly what I am pay for a month now. So with a furnance that needs to go next year, I thought I would do some research and make the pludge along with a oil fired water heater as well. Other than the eating ruber thing, I wouldn't think there is much difference that regular home heating oil, but I might be wrong. Dave Please check out my new web page at http://www.japanish.org Just cut and paste into your web browser. __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question
Welcome David, see below. David Marquis wrote: Hello All, I thought I should introduce myself and start a conversation in the process. I am interested in Biofuels as an alternative to the fossil fuels. I believe that with all the technology that man posses that it is a shame that we can't, or maybe I should say, won't create a ultra fuel efficient means of transportation. That being said, I drive a small Suzuki car and in the non-icey road months I ride a vespa. I am looking into getting an older diesel car/van/truck that can be run off of Biodiesel. I currantly live in St. Paul, Minnesota, USA and I am interested in meeting/talking to like minded people... Along those lines, have anyone looked at converting their home heating furnace/water heater to Biodiesel? I have been planning on using it for a backup heat source next year if I can figure out how to use the Glycerin byproduct as fuel. I figure if I can heat my house on the byproduct the fuel is free. This is challenging though as there is not much out here so I have been engineering my own appliance but no luck so far. If and when I get a reliable, safe and easy to make unit perfected, I will share plans with all who want them. Best of Luck Jim I found this company http://www.irvingoilco.com/homeheat/product4.html that looks interesting. Dave __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
