RE: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel
Hello Francisco, The new fuel ethanol blends are a way to reduce pollution and also reduce petroleum use with all its ramifications. Different blends are available for sale in many locations. When you are ready to make your own fuels, there are many references available. In the mean time, you can buy a premium grade fuel that already has fuel ethanol blended into the mix. Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of francisco j burgos Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel Would do any good to add a little Biodiesel-100 to the regular family car gasoline tank?. If answer is yes, how much?. Thanks, Francisco. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel
the testing is still being conducted. There are others who can better answer that question with some hands on experience. Luc - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: Fw: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel Would do any good to add a little Biodiesel-100 to the regular family car gasoline tank?. If answer is yes, how much?. Thanks, Francisco. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel
I have been told that its best to use ASME ASTM? certified biodiesel for the newer cars because of the centrifuge used in processing to eliminate something, and that using homebrew made from WVO is dangerous. I just bought a TDI and am running my first tank of ASME certified biodiesel through the car, but would really like to use WVO and do homebrew. Opinions? Facts? Well now. First, the ASTM US standards for biodiesel are here: National standards for biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield2.html#biodstds See also: Standards and the homebrewer http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_ASTM.html Second, the whole thing's a can of worms. Essentially it's meaningless. You bought ASTM certified biodiesel? I doubt it - I doubt there is such a thing. More on that below, but let me say that the general idea that commercial producers produce better fuel than homebrewers do is nonsense. Some commercial producers do produce good fuel and have high standards, and indeed some homebrewers produce sloppy, poor-quality fuel, but in general, the evidence so far is that it's the other way round. Second, there's no reason at all that biodiesel made from virgin (new, unused) oil should be better than biodiesel made from waste oil. Again, you can make very bad fuel from new oil, and very good fuel from used oil. Up to a point, and most waste oil falls well within that point, whether it's new or used is not relevant to the quality of the end-product. Now, about that can of worms... This is excerpted from a previous post, but I don't mind posting it again rather than just giving you the url in the list archives. I'm interested in making the best product possible. It seems to me that big government is getting the way of small business. Big business's cosy ties with bureaucracies, more like. Anyway, making the best product possible and meeting the EPA guidelines are not the same thing, though the two are often confused. Submitting one test batch per year for ASTM D6751 testing or whatever it is that's required for registration and quality control measures are different issues. Some months back there was a fuss in California after World Energy distributed a consignment of sub-spec biodiesel. Details here: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/25291/ Bad quality at World Energy? what's that again about Now what's that again about homebrewers, quality, and out-of-spec fuel, and the quality control standards that only industry can provide?? http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/2888/ Re: even more shady quality control in commercial biodiesel World Energy withdrew the consignment, and their VP Sales Graham Noyes posted this explanation: First, this biodiesel is crappy not because it is Yellow Grease (aka recycled) biodiesel but because it is out of spec biodiesel. Prior to triggering this railcar, we received lab analysis showing that it met ASTM spec. The good work of Dr. Dan alerted us that there might be an issue with the fuel. We sent samples to an independent lab and found it did not meet spec. We then pulled all product and stopped supplying. If you have product that does not meet spec, we will replace it with ASTM spec fuel. We guarantee that our fuel meets ASTM spec and back that up as necessary. I asked him how it was possible that the first lab had okayed it but he didn't reply. There's been quite a lot of this in industry, various industries, where labs just rubber-stamp stuff, at best, or falsify the tests, at worst. (Again, check out how much actual inspecting is done by the USDA's meat inspectors where it would clash with industry profits.) Anyway, you're kind of forced to the conclusion that there is no quality testing at the commercial (NBB) level, or at least not necessarily. Further to which, the second ref. above (from Mark) says this, among other things: ... That manufacturer apparently reacted their material just enough to drop the viscosity, and never actually retracted glycerine (so the guy had 10% more (monoglyceride soup) product to sell, quality be damned... The point of their story is that ASTM D-671 is not particularly enforcable at the moment, though it seems that in theory this producer could be shut down. It's an interesting story- we've been told before that small producers can get in all this legal trouble for not joining the NBB and selling onroad fuel, and yet here are five industry people telling me that there's no real enforcement mechanism for ASTM, and that there's nothing anyone's going to do about this producer at the moment. Mark also posted this a month or so back: We've had serious problems with bad quality substandard non-spec biodiesel coming out of NBB member Imperial Western Products' plant this summer and fall, with drivers having big repair bills as a result, but the NBB has no clue that this is happening and still believes that small producers would have quality
Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel
wanted to test it for ASME specs but they wanted over $1000 to do the test. I am confident that if you do the reaction , water wash the results and properly filter the bio you will be meeting asme standards ---.DB-- Original Message - From: Marna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel I have been told that its best to use ASME certified biodiesel for the newer cars because of the centrifuge used in processing to eliminate something, and that using homebrew made from WVO is dangerous. I just bought a TDI and am running my first tank of ASME certified biodiesel through the car, but would really like to use WVO and do homebrew. Opinions? Facts? Thanks, Marna (Washington State, USA) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel
--- DB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 02 golt and have been making bio for two years (1800 gal so far). I wanted to test it for ASME specs but they wanted over $1000 to do the test. I am confident that if you do the reaction , water wash the results and properly filter the bio you will be meeting asme standards ---.DB-- Original Message - From: Marna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel I have been told that its best to use ASME certified biodiesel for the newer cars because of the centrifuge used in processing to eliminate something, and that using homebrew made from WVO is dangerous. I just bought a TDI and am running my first tank of ASME certified biodiesel through the car, but would really like to use WVO and do homebrew. Opinions? Facts? Thanks, Marna (Washington State, USA) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ dear marna, if you are using wvo, you need to make sure that it of a good quality. biodiesel is hygroscopic. it absorbs water and water make the biodiesel cloudy. some times wax is formed which can block the filter. you need to make sure water is eliminated as much as possible. best of luck fox ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel
they switched over to. If it is an any other year TDI make good fuel (quality test ect.) and use it. Luc - Original Message - From: Marna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:48 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel I have been told that its best to use ASME certified biodiesel for the newer cars because of the centrifuge used in processing to eliminate something, and that using homebrew made from WVO is dangerous. I just bought a TDI and am running my first tank of ASME certified biodiesel through the car, but would really like to use WVO and do homebrew. Opinions? Facts? Thanks, Marna (Washington State, USA) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
