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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060301/ap_on_re_mi_ea/egypt_us_iran - Yahoo! News Mubarak Warns U.S. Not to Attack Iran Wed Mar 1, 9:46 AM ET CAIRO, Egypt - Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak strongly advised the United States not to attack Iran, warning that military action would create more terrorists in neighboring Iraq, according to comments published Wednesday. Mubarak also told Egyptian newspaper editors he warned Vice President Dick Cheney that ground troops will have a hard time in such a conflict. If an airstrike (against Iran) takes place, then Iraq will be turned to terror groups, Mubarak was quoted as saying by the daily Al-Gomhouria. He said Shiite Muslims in the Gulf region also could turn against the United States because Iran generously provides for Shiites in every country and these people are ready to do anything if Iran is attacked. Listen to my advice for once, he recalled telling Cheney in English. You have vital interests in the Gulf region, especially oil. The United States and other Western governments suspect that Iran's nuclear research program is a cover for weapons development and fear that Tehran is seeking to build an atomic bomb. Tehran insists it only wants to generate electricity. International negotiations over the crisis are under way. Mubarak said he hoped the issue would be resolved peacefully. When asked, he said it was unlikely Israel would launch a nuclear attack against Iran because Iran owns ballistic missiles that it will launch against Israel and there will be huge destruction. Mubarak added that such an attack also would spark revenge from Iraqi groups, extremists religious parties and organizations such as the Iranian-backed Hezbollah in Lebanon. Mubarak spoke to the editors on his way back from a tour of Gulf states, including the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Douglas Smith wrote: On Mar 1, 2006, at 8:36 PM, Kieth wrote: All so many Americans ever seem to think about is their own precious country, their own people, their own concerns, and never mind the havoc and destruction you cause in other people's countries. It is precisely because it IS our country destroying other people's country that it comes back full-circle to us. What I ask is for the safety of the world, but it has to be done by dealing with THIS country's madmen. This is the only place - my country - where I can take a stand. So yes, it IS all about our country because like it or not our country has the rest of this precious world on the brink of disaster. April 1st. What else ya got to do that's more important that day? huh? I think you wouldn't have mentioned other countries nor perhaps even thought of them if I hadn't pushed you, or else maybe you'd have mentioned them in the first place, like other such appeals are doing. You didn't even say what you're proposing: In the spirit of the movie Network, and its I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. I give you this: Everyone keeps asking when the American people are going to have had enough. When they are going to take to the streets, etc. Someone needs to say when. So I will: I'm requesting that ALL Americans who, like me, have had enough take to the streets to be counted en masse! April 1st - yes, April Fools Day, will do. That Saturday afternoon we must all go out with a sign to be counted...all of us...all across the country! We need to have people outside everywhere anyone looks. We don't need huge crowds in one place, we need people everywhere! Wiill you join me? Will you e-mail everyone you have an e-mail address for to join us? Will you put a sign in your window asking others to join? Will you add this date and this action to all of your HuffPost comments? I will be there to save my country. Will you? APRIL 1st! DO IT! What's your message? You've had enough of what exactly and won't take any more of? A sign saying what? Asking others to join what? Counted as what? Are you going to get it right? Quite a few people are thinking it will be very annoying if Americans impeach their president because he was spying on them (what a big surprise!) rather than have him and the whole bunch of them prosecuted for war crimes, and it might not accomplish much either except business as usual. But it's business as usual that has to change, which means US foreign policy over the last 60 years, for starters. April 1st. What else ya got to do that's more important that day? huh? Maybe I won't climb on someone else's bandwagon that's probably heading down the wrong road anyway. If anywhere at all. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Keith,Youwrote:"Quite a few people are thinking it will be very annoying if Americans impeach their president because he was spying on them (what a big surprise!) rather than have him and the whole bunch of them prosecuted for war crimes, and it might not accomplish much either except business as usual. But it's business as usual that has to change, which means US foreign policy over the last 60 years, for starters."I respectfully disagree that citizens both inside and outside the US have to settle for either impeachment or a war crimes conviction. It's about two sets of laws and justice toward both.Animpeachment mayincorporate a prison sentence. However, it's usedmostly as a mechanism for removing a president from officeand might actually help facilitate a war crimes trial if successful.Although I'm not a constitutional lawyer, I think it's also possible to impeach a president for waging a war which was not an act of self defense, making impeachment and a war crimes trial somewhat related.My attempt at Possible Articles of Impeachment for George W. Bush:In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that:1.) He willfully violated the fourth amendment protecting it's citizens against unreasonable searches and seizures.2.) He proceeded with a declaration of war without consulting Congress and providing proof that the United States was in Imminent danger.3.) Deceived Congress by providing fabricated evidence of an eminent threat to the United States....etc, etc, etc.I would like to see all the laws of the land(s) levied against him and none left unenforced.As for as the last 60 years is concerned, I agree! Wilsonian doctrine has been extended and enhanced (convoluted) to the point that it puts the entire World in danger. I'm reminded of how close we were to having an entire hemisphere destroyed by US imperialismwith one Russian name.Vasili Arkhipov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Alexandrovich_ArkhipovWill we have another Vasili Arkipov to save us from people like Bush in the future? Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Douglas Smith wrote:On Mar 1, 2006, at 8:36 PM, Kieth wrote:All so many Americans ever seem to think about is their own preciouscountry, their own people, their own concerns, and never mind thehavoc and destruction you cause in other people's countries.It is precisely because it IS our country destroying other people's country that it comes back full-circle to us.What I ask is for the safety of the world, but it has to be done by dealing with THIS country's madmen.This is the only place - my country - where I can take a stand.So yes, it IS all about our country because like it or not our country has the rest of this precious world on the brink of disaster.April 1st. What else ya got to do that's more important that day? huh?I think you wouldn't have mentioned other countries nor perhaps even thought of them if I hadn't pushed you, or else maybe you'd have mentioned them in the first place, like other such appeals are doing. You didn't even say what you're proposing:In the spirit of the movie Network, and its "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore." I give you this:Everyone keeps asking when the American people are going to have had enough. When they are going to take to the streets, etc.Someone needs to say when. So I will:I'm requesting that ALL Americans who, like me, have had enough take to the streets to be counted en masse!April 1st - yes, April Fools Day, will do. That Saturday afternoon we must all go out with a sign to be counted...all of us...all across the country! We need to have people outside everywhere anyone looks. We don't need huge crowds in one place, we need people everywhere!Wiill you join me? Will you e-mail everyone you have an e-mail address for to join us? Will you put a sign in your window asking others to join? Will you add this date and this action to all of your HuffPost comments?I will be there to save my country. Will you?APRIL 1st! DO IT!What's your message? You've had enough of what exactly and won't take any more of? A sign saying what? Asking others to join what? Counted as what?Are you going to get it right? Quite a few people are thinking it will be very annoying if Americans impeach their president because he was spying on them (what a big surprise!) rather than have him and the whole bunch of them prosecuted for war crimes, and it might not accomplish much either except business as usual. But it's business as usual that has to change, which means US foreign policy over the
Re: [Biofuel] Other people's countries
I'll go along with that Mike. I'm decrying the distinct possibility of a slap on the wrist followed by the same old depredations abroad that started all the trouble in the first place and the same old somnambulance (acquiescence) about it at home. As for as the last 60 years is concerned, I agree! Wilsonian doctrine has been extended and enhanced (convoluted) to the point that it puts the entire World in danger. But how many Americans can't see that and don't want to? Best Keith Keith, You wrote: Quite a few people are thinking it will be very annoying if Americans impeach their president because he was spying on them (what a big surprise!) rather than have him and the whole bunch of them prosecuted for war crimes, and it might not accomplish much either except business as usual. But it's business as usual that has to change, which means US foreign policy over the last 60 years, for starters. I respectfully disagree that citizens both inside and outside the US have to settle for either impeachment or a war crimes conviction. It's about two sets of laws and justice toward both. An impeachment may incorporate a prison sentence. However, it's used mostly as a mechanism for removing a president from office and might actually help facilitate a war crimes trial if successful. Although I'm not a constitutional lawyer, I think it's also possible to impeach a president for waging a war which was not an act of self defense, making impeachment and a war crimes trial somewhat related. My attempt at Possible Articles of Impeachment for George W. Bush: In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that: 1.) He willfully violated the fourth amendment protecting it's citizens against unreasonable searches and seizures. 2.) He proceeded with a declaration of war without consulting Congress and providing proof that the United States was in Imminent danger. 3.) Deceived Congress by providing fabricated evidence of an eminent threat to the United States. ...etc, etc, etc. I would like to see all the laws of the land(s) levied against him and none left unenforced. As for as the last 60 years is concerned, I agree! Wilsonian doctrine has been extended and enhanced (convoluted) to the point that it puts the entire World in danger. I'm reminded of how close we were to having an entire hemisphere destroyed by US imperialism with one Russian name. Vasili Arkhipov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Alexandrovich_Arkhipovhttp://en .wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Alexandrovich_Arkhipov Will we have another Vasili Arkipov to save us from people like Bush in the future? Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Douglas Smith wrote: On Mar 1, 2006, at 8:36 PM, Kieth wrote: All so many Americans ever seem to think about is their own precious country, their own people, their own concerns, and never mind the havoc and destruction you cause in other people's countries. It is precisely because it IS our country destroying other people's country that it comes back full-circle to us. What I ask is for the safety of the world, but it has to be done by dealing with THIS country's madmen. This is the only place - my country - where I can take a stand. So yes, it IS all about our country because like it or not our country has the rest of this precious world on the brink of disaster. April 1st. What else ya got to do that's more important that day? huh? I think you wouldn't have mentioned other countries nor perhaps even thought of them if I hadn't pushed you, or else maybe you'd have mentioned them in the first place, like other such appeals are doing. You didn't even say what you're proposing: In the spirit of the movie Network, and its I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. I give you this: Everyone keeps asking when the American people are going to have had enough. When they are going to take to the streets, etc. Someone needs to say when. So I will: I'm requesting that ALL Americans who, like me, have had enough take to the streets to be counted en masse! April 1st - yes, April Fools Day, will do. That Saturday afternoon we must all go out with a sign to be counted...all of us...all across the country! We need to have people outside everywhere anyone looks. We don't need huge crowds in one place, we need people everywhere! Wiill you join me? Will you e-mail everyone you have an e-mail address for to join us? Will you put a sign in your window asking others to join? Will you add this date and this action to all of your
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I think the scariest thing about impeachment of Bush II is Dick Cheney.Republicans in the 90's weren't scared of Al Gore, but I think everyone except Wyoming is scared of The Dick being president.He's already increased the power of the Vice President to unprecedented levels i.e. Redaction (top secret) power, Iraq, shooting a guy in the face etc...Maybe next year when the Dems take over both houses of Congress.THROW THE BUMS OUT!All joking aside, I really think that both Bush and Cheney have committed impeachable offenses. On 3/2/06, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith,Youwrote:Quite a few people are thinking it will be very annoying if Americans impeach their president because he was spying on them (what a big surprise!) rather than have him and the whole bunch of them prosecuted for war crimes, and it might not accomplish much either except business as usual. But it's business as usual that has to change, which means US foreign policy over the last 60 years, for starters. I respectfully disagree that citizens both inside and outside the US have to settle for either impeachment or a war crimes conviction. It's about two sets of laws and justice toward both.Animpeachment mayincorporate a prison sentence. However, it's usedmostly as a mechanism for removing a president from officeand might actually help facilitate a war crimes trial if successful. Although I'm not a constitutional lawyer, I think it's also possible to impeach a president for waging a war which was not an act of self defense, making impeachment and a war crimes trial somewhat related.My attempt at Possible Articles of Impeachment for George W. Bush: In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that: 1.) He willfully violated the fourth amendment protecting it's citizens against unreasonable searches and seizures.2.) He proceeded with a declaration of war without consulting Congress and providing proof that the United States was in Imminent danger.3.) Deceived Congress by providing fabricated evidence of an eminent threat to the United States....etc, etc, etc.I would like to see all the laws of the land(s) levied against him and none left unenforced. As for as the last 60 years is concerned, I agree! Wilsonian doctrine has been extended and enhanced (convoluted) to the point that it puts the entire World in danger. I'm reminded of how close we were to having an entire hemisphere destroyed by US imperialismwith one Russian name. Vasili Arkhipov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Alexandrovich_Arkhipov Will we have another Vasili Arkipov to save us from people like Bush in the future? Mike-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchWe should avoid modifying the constitution in response to cyclical changes in American public opinion. - Jimmy Carter ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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They are all above the law. It is a reality KirkPaul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the scariest thing about impeachment of Bush II is Dick Cheney.Republicans in the 90's weren't scared of Al Gore, but I think everyone except Wyoming is scared of The Dick being president.He's already increased the power of the Vice President to unprecedented levels i.e. Redaction (top secret) power, Iraq, shooting a guy in the face etc...Maybe next year when the Dems take over both houses of Congress.THROW THE BUMS OUT!All joking aside, I really think that both Bush and Cheney have committed impeachable offenses. Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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See/searchOperationPhoenix on many sites. As far as I know the old or the youngShrub never declared war or war was never declared on a small land locked country and was never a threat to the US in any way. Guess who was in charge of the Citizens International Authority at the time! war crimes some suggest! 100 years plus to clean up the mess and the present day to daymaiming of farmers. The mess not cleaned up yet and the same Scrubs looking for new grounds to spoil or sand pit to play in. http://www.serendipity.li/cia/operation_phoenix.htm Doug - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Other people's countries ***No virus was detected in the attachment no filenameNo virus was detected in the attachment no filenameNo virus was detected in the attachment no filenameYour mail has been scanned by InterScan.***-*** They are all above the law. It is a reality KirkPaul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the scariest thing about impeachment of Bush II is Dick Cheney.Republicans in the 90's weren't scared of Al Gore, but I think everyone except Wyoming is scared of The Dick being president.He's already increased the power of the Vice President to unprecedented levels i.e. Redaction (top secret) power, Iraq, shooting a guy in the face etc...Maybe next year when the Dems take over both houses of Congress.THROW THE BUMS OUT!All joking aside, I really think that both Bush and Cheney have committed impeachable offenses. Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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What was the Citizens International Authority and who was in charge of it? I googled it and nothing came up, even though it is referred to on this website you mentioned. Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Note: Forwarded Email Message Below: See/search Operation Phoenix on many sites. As far as I know the old or the young Shrub never declared war or war was never declared on a small land locked country and was never a threat to the US in any way. Guess who was in charge of the Citizens International Authority at the time! war crimes some suggest! 100 years plus to clean up the mess and the present day to day maiming of farmers. The mess not cleaned up yet and the same Scrubs looking for new grounds to spoil or sand pit to play in. http://www.serendipity.li/cia/operation_phoenix.htm Doug - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Other people's countries *** No virus was detected in the attachment no filename No virus was detected in the attachment no filename No virus was detected in the attachment no filename Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. ***-*** They are all above the law. It is a reality Kirk Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the scariest thing about impeachment of Bush II is Dick Cheney. Republicans in the 90's weren't scared of Al Gore, but I think everyone except Wyoming is scared of The Dick being president. He's already increased the power of the Vice President to unprecedented levels i.e. Redaction (top secret) power, Iraq, shooting a guy in the face etc... Maybe next year when the Dems take over both houses of Congress. THROW THE BUMS OUT! All joking aside, I really think that both Bush and Cheney have committed impeachable offenses. -- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainableli sts.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainableli sts.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
