Re: [Biofuel] Re: Life after the oil crash
Word of the Day for Saturday May 27, 2000 meretricious \mer-ih-TRISH-us\, adjective: 1. Of or pertaining to prostitutes; having to do with prostitutes. 2. Alluring by false show; gaudily and deceitfully ornamental; tawdry; as, meretricious dress or ornaments. What a great word! Rather, your post was poorly received because we've because we've dealt with this **meretricious** crap before, hence Keith's pointer to the archive. > -- John E Hayes, M.S. Instructor, Dietetics Program, DIET 203 / DIET 215 Doctoral Student, Nutritional Sciences University of Connecticut - 326 Koons Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 860.486.0007 http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Life after the oil crash
...two reasons why I'm saving this email: Content and the best use of the word "assload" I have ever seen! Mike John Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thomas Malthus called. He points out that he already predicted production would fail to keep pace with demand... ...back in 1798. Seriously, even if cheap oil runs out, we are not heading toward some Malthusian crisis, because end of the world types since Malthus have ignored that ability of human beings to innovate when faced with an incentive to do so. The earth is not a closed system energywise - the sun pumps a metric assload of energy into the system every single day. As long as we can figure out an energy source that is net positive, we'll be fine. And guess what, both ethanol and biodiesel are net postive. Here's a novel idea - we'll run the tractors to harvest the crops on the biodiesel we make with the crops. Anyway, will the shift away from cheap fossil fuels cause economic disruption? Certainly. But we aren't all heading toward a Mad Max-esque dystopia where we fight over cans of dog food either. And just for the record, it isn't "Keith's list to decide what's important, or not..." Rather, your post was poorly received because we've because we've dealt with this meretricious crap before, hence Keith's pointer to the archive. Specifically, both the issue of ethanol energy balance and arable land have been repeatedly addressed on the list. Yet, sites like after the oil crash continue their worthless scaremongering. jh mike wrote: > I only posted this one because it's a somewhat different perspective than what > you have posted in your resources section, especially if you take the effort > to read the 2nd page. It's a lot more realistic, but if that bores you that's > OK too. It's your list; you decide what's important, or not... > m-- > >>mike wrote: >> >> >>>A very engaging and sobering evaluation of the inevitable future we must come >>>to grips with very soon. >>> >>>http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net >>> >>>Life After the Oil Crash >>> >>>"Deal with Reality, or Reality will Deal with You" >> >>Too true, the last bit. Otherwise... yawn. Yawn on two counts: for >>the book itself, and because we've had it all before, a couple of >>times. Eg.: >> >>http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/41284/1 >>Re: [Biofuel] Peak Oil & Cosmic Questions >> >>No harm in posting it again, but: >> >> >>>List resources >>> >>>Please make use of the resources listed at the Biofuel list home page: >>>http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel >>> >>>Especially the searchable list archives: >>>http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ >>> >>>The archives contains more than 38,000 [45,000 now] messages over >>>nearly five years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're >>>interested in has probably already been covered. That's no reason >>>not to ask it again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a >>>better question and get better answers. >> >>-- From: List rules >>http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html >> >>Keith Addison >>Journey to Forever >>KYOTO Pref., Japan >>http://journeytoforever.org/ >>Biofuel list owner >> >> > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- John E Hayes, M.S. Instructor, Dietetics Program, DIET 203 / DIET 215 Doctoral Student, Nutritional Sciences University of Connecticut - 326 Koons Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 860.486.0007 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Life after the oil crash
Mike, John is pointing out something important, if you take Keith suggestions to follow up on discussions on this list during the last 2 years, you will learn a lot from them about the depletion issues and the real situation. I think that the members of this list have a strong feeling of that it is their forum and if you want "their list". It is the first time I have seen a suggestion that it would be "Keith list". He is a extremely good moderator, who work very hard on making discussions worth while, by pointing the participants to sources of information and knowledge. The article you referred and similar views have been discussed many times, even if it rapidly becomes obvious with a little bit of common sense, how, as John says, Mad Max influenced it is. You take away 80% of the base of the story by pointing out that US only have 4% of the world population. US might have an enormous fire power to destroy and kill, but nearly no resources to occupy and control. The latter is what is necessary to make any material gains from the fire power. A democratic world would actually be a contradiction to the best interest of US, who in the past had better control by supporting right wing dictatorships. A much welcomed misunderstanding by Bush, who is set on dismantling the web of US created right wing governments over the last 50 years, no wonder that he actually belive that the "French have no word for entrepreneur". LOL (I was laughing for at least half an hour when I heard that and many times I have repeated attacks only thinking about it) This talents goes in the family , they would have a great future as stand up comedians. I was thinking of that GWB's brother Jeb said, when visiting Spain, that he was delighted to be in the Republic of Spain. This even despite that the King of Spain was one of those who welcomed him. Hakan At 02:45 PM 5/1/2005, you wrote: Thomas Malthus called. He points out that he already predicted production would fail to keep pace with demand... ...back in 1798. Seriously, even if cheap oil runs out, we are not heading toward some Malthusian crisis, because end of the world types since Malthus have ignored that ability of human beings to innovate when faced with an incentive to do so. The earth is not a closed system energywise - the sun pumps a metric assload of energy into the system every single day. As long as we can figure out an energy source that is net positive, we'll be fine. And guess what, both ethanol and biodiesel are net postive. Here's a novel idea - we'll run the tractors to harvest the crops on the biodiesel we make with the crops. Anyway, will the shift away from cheap fossil fuels cause economic disruption? Certainly. But we aren't all heading toward a Mad Max-esque dystopia where we fight over cans of dog food either. And just for the record, it isn't "Keith's list to decide what's important, or not..." Rather, your post was poorly received because we've because we've dealt with this meretricious crap before, hence Keith's pointer to the archive. Specifically, both the issue of ethanol energy balance and arable land have been repeatedly addressed on the list. Yet, sites like after the oil crash continue their worthless scaremongering. jh mike wrote: I only posted this one because it's a somewhat different perspective than what you have posted in your resources section, especially if you take the effort to read the 2nd page. It's a lot more realistic, but if that bores you that's OK too. It's your list; you decide what's important, or not... m-- mike wrote: A very engaging and sobering evaluation of the inevitable future we must come to grips with very soon. http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net Life After the Oil Crash "Deal with Reality, or Reality will Deal with You" Too true, the last bit. Otherwise... yawn. Yawn on two counts: for the book itself, and because we've had it all before, a couple of times. Eg.: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/41284/1 Re: [Biofuel] Peak Oil & Cosmic Questions No harm in posting it again, but: List resources Please make use of the resources listed at the Biofuel list home page: http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Especially the searchable list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The archives contains more than 38,000 [45,000 now] messages over nearly five years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're interested in has probably already been covered. That's no reason not to ask it again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a better question and get better answers. -- From: List rules http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner -- John E Hayes, M.S. Instructor, Dietetics Program, DIET 203 / DIET 215 Doctoral Student, Nutritional Sciences University of Connecticut - 326 Koons Hall
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Life after the oil crash
production would fail to keep pace with demand... ...back in 1798. Seriously, even if cheap oil runs out, we are not heading toward some Malthusian crisis, because end of the world types since Malthus have ignored that ability of human beings to innovate when faced with an incentive to do so. The earth is not a closed system energywise - the sun pumps a metric assload of energy into the system every single day. As long as we can figure out an energy source that is net positive, we'll be fine. And guess what, both ethanol and biodiesel are net postive. Here's a novel idea - we'll run the tractors to harvest the crops on the biodiesel we make with the crops. Anyway, will the shift away from cheap fossil fuels cause economic disruption? Certainly. But we aren't all heading toward a Mad Max-esque dystopia where we fight over cans of dog food either. And just for the record, it isn't "Keith's list to decide what's important, or not..." Rather, your post was poorly received because we've because we've dealt with this meretricious crap before, hence Keith's pointer to the archive. Specifically, both the issue of ethanol energy balance and arable land have been repeatedly addressed on the list. Yet, sites like after the oil crash continue their worthless scaremongering. jh mike wrote: I only posted this one because it's a somewhat different perspective than what you have posted in your resources section, especially if you take the effort to read the 2nd page. It's a lot more realistic, but if that bores you that's OK too. It's your list; you decide what's important, or not... m-- mike wrote: A very engaging and sobering evaluation of the inevitable future we must come to grips with very soon. http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net Life After the Oil Crash "Deal with Reality, or Reality will Deal with You" Too true, the last bit. Otherwise... yawn. Yawn on two counts: for the book itself, and because we've had it all before, a couple of times. Eg.: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/41284/1 Re: [Biofuel] Peak Oil & Cosmic Questions No harm in posting it again, but: List resources Please make use of the resources listed at the Biofuel list home page: http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Especially the searchable list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The archives contains more than 38,000 [45,000 now] messages over nearly five years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're interested in has probably already been covered. That's no reason not to ask it again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a better question and get better answers. -- From: List rules http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- John E Hayes, M.S. Instructor, Dietetics Program, DIET 203 / DIET 215 Doctoral Student, Nutritional Sciences University of Connecticut - 326 Koons Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 860.486.0007 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Life after the oil crash
I only posted this one because it's a somewhat different perspective than what you have posted in your resources section, especially if you take the effort to read the 2nd page. It's a lot more realistic, but if that bores you that's OK too. It's your list; you decide what's important, or not... m-- > mike wrote: > >>A very engaging and sobering evaluation of the inevitable future we must come >>to grips with very soon. >> >>http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net >> >>Life After the Oil Crash >> >>"Deal with Reality, or Reality will Deal with You" > > Too true, the last bit. Otherwise... yawn. Yawn on two counts: for > the book itself, and because we've had it all before, a couple of > times. Eg.: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/41284/1 > Re: [Biofuel] Peak Oil & Cosmic Questions > > No harm in posting it again, but: > >>List resources >> >>Please make use of the resources listed at the Biofuel list home page: >>http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel >> >>Especially the searchable list archives: >>http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ >> >>The archives contains more than 38,000 [45,000 now] messages over >>nearly five years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're >>interested in has probably already been covered. That's no reason >>not to ask it again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a >>better question and get better answers. > > -- From: List rules > http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > KYOTO Pref., Japan > http://journeytoforever.org/ > Biofuel list owner > > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
