Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian
hay ian
the answer foryour mthenol question is yes
and no
by law you cant by in israel more then a 100 liter
methanol with out a"poison permit"
any way i bought once till now 80 liter from
asupplier in theother side of the country the price was about 0.7us$
aliter.
all the best
golan- Original Message -
From:
Ian
Theresa Sims
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:12
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help
thanks Ian
No problems, the biggest batch I can make is 40L which is
more than enough for my family.
Just as a matter of interest do you have much trouble
getting methanol and if you don't mind how much do you pay for it. I am paying
NZ$1.60 L.
Cheers Ian
- Original Message -
From:
golan
michal
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:17
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help
thanks Ian
Thanks Ian
You right I skipped the washing
in the 1 liter batches and I thought its the easy part any way I
read a lot about washing and emulsion since then. After all the reading I
came to believe that if you have a soap or soapish lair in between BD
water you got a problem in the process found mine already it was the temp.
In the processor couldn’t keep it steady.
Already had a successful 80 liter
batch yesterday (the smallest I can in this processor)
Thanks again happy New
Year
Golan
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From:
Ian
Theresa Sims
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:59
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion
help
Hi Golan
2things, 1st read all the JtF site as there are
some contradictions such as BD should be clear after processing then in
the washing section it says the BD maybe cloudy and need to dry/settle for
a couple of days in a sunny place. There is also agood section on
emulsions.
2nd do small 1L test batches to sort these sort of
problems out before going big. this includes not only changing the
chemical ratios but drying the oil and checking the accuracy of you
measuring equipment.
I have done quite a few test batches before going to 15
then 30 L batches.
Have fun
Ian
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From:
golan
michal
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005
6:18 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] emulsion
help
Hay
Just joined the biodiesel world and this group as
well.
I’m from Israel my name is
Golan.
Just mixed my first 100-liter batch.
I
use electric pump about 16 liter a minute
2.5 kw heater.
I preformed quality test (150 cc water 150
cc biodiesel shaked toghether in ahalf aliter jar)after 24
hours and got 4-5 millimeter
white layer
In-between the biodiesel and the
water.
As well the biodiesel wasn’t clear.
I reheated the tank again to 52 deg C
And mixed it with 10% methanol and 3.5 gram of
lye per liter of oil.
Mixed it for an hour.
Any way I took samples after 20 and 40
min.
I saw the biodiesel was darker then in the first
mix and an extra very thin layer nylon like appeared on top of the
biodiesel .
24 hours later preformed another quality test no
spreration at all for aday and ahalf all ready it stays awaitish fluid.
does any one knows what that layer is and what is
there to do.
All the best
Golan
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Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian
No problems, the biggest batch I can make is 40L which is more than enough for my family. Just as a matter of interest do you have much trouble getting methanol and if you don't mind how much do you pay for it. I am paying NZ$1.60 L. Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: golan michal To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian Thanks Ian You right I skipped the washing in the 1 liter batches and I thought its the easy part any way I read a lot about washing and emulsion since then. After all the reading I came to believe that if you have a soap or soapish lair in between BD water you got a problem in the process found mine already it was the temp. In the processor couldn’t keep it steady. Already had a successful 80 liter batch yesterday (the smallest I can in this processor) Thanks again happy New Year Golan - Original Message - From: Ian Theresa Sims To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hi Golan 2things, 1st read all the JtF site as there are some contradictions such as BD should be clear after processing then in the washing section it says the BD maybe cloudy and need to dry/settle for a couple of days in a sunny place. There is also agood section on emulsions. 2nd do small 1L test batches to sort these sort of problems out before going big. this includes not only changing the chemical ratios but drying the oil and checking the accuracy of you measuring equipment. I have done quite a few test batches before going to 15 then 30 L batches. Have fun Ian - Original Message - From: golan michal To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hay Just joined the biodiesel world and this group as well. I’m from Israel my name is Golan. Just mixed my first 100-liter batch. I use electric pump about 16 liter a minute 2.5 kw heater. I preformed quality test (150 cc water 150 cc biodiesel shaked toghether in ahalf aliter jar)after 24 hours and got 4-5 millimeter white layer In-between the biodiesel and the water. As well the biodiesel wasn’t clear. I reheated the tank again to 52 deg C And mixed it with 10% methanol and 3.5 gram of lye per liter of oil. Mixed it for an hour. Any way I took samples after 20 and 40 min. I saw the biodiesel was darker then in the first mix and an extra very thin layer nylon like appeared on top of the biodiesel . 24 hours later preformed another quality test no spreration at all for aday and ahalf all ready it stays awaitish fluid. does any one knows what that layer is and what is there to do. All the best Golan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 7/10/2005 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 07/10/2005 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 7/10/2005
Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian
Thanks Ian You right I skipped the washing in the 1 liter batches and I thought its the easy part any way I read a lot about washing and emulsion since then. After all the reading I came to believe that if you have a soap or soapish lair in between BD water you got a problem in the process found mine already it was the temp. In the processor couldn’t keep it steady. Already had a successful 80 liter batch yesterday (the smallest I can in this processor) Thanks again happy New Year Golan - Original Message - From: Ian Theresa Sims To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hi Golan 2things, 1st read all the JtF site as there are some contradictions such as BD should be clear after processing then in the washing section it says the BD maybe cloudy and need to dry/settle for a couple of days in a sunny place. There is also agood section on emulsions. 2nd do small 1L test batches to sort these sort of problems out before going big. this includes not only changing the chemical ratios but drying the oil and checking the accuracy of you measuring equipment. I have done quite a few test batches before going to 15 then 30 L batches. Have fun Ian - Original Message - From: golan michal To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hay Just joined the biodiesel world and this group as well. I’m from Israel my name is Golan. Just mixed my first 100-liter batch. I use electric pump about 16 liter a minute 2.5 kw heater. I preformed quality test (150 cc water 150 cc biodiesel shaked toghether in ahalf aliter jar)after 24 hours and got 4-5 millimeter white layer In-between the biodiesel and the water. As well the biodiesel wasn’t clear. I reheated the tank again to 52 deg C And mixed it with 10% methanol and 3.5 gram of lye per liter of oil. Mixed it for an hour. Any way I took samples after 20 and 40 min. I saw the biodiesel was darker then in the first mix and an extra very thin layer nylon like appeared on top of the biodiesel . 24 hours later preformed another quality test no spreration at all for aday and ahalf all ready it stays awaitish fluid. does any one knows what that layer is and what is there to do. All the best Golan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 7/10/2005 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 07/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
