Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian

[golan & michal]

hay ian the answer for your mthenol question is yes and no by law you cant by in israel more then a 100 liter methanol with out a"poison permit" any way i bought once till now 80 liter from asupplier in theother side of the country the price was about 0.7us$ aliter. all the best golan----- Original Message ----- From: Ian & Theresa Sims To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian No problems, the biggest batch I can make is 40L which is more than enough for my family. Just as a matter of interest do  you have much trouble getting methanol and if you don't mind how much do you pay for it. I am paying NZ$1.60 L. Cheers Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: golan & michal To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian Thanks Ian You right I skipped the washing in the 1 liter batches and   I thought its the easy part any way I read a lot about washing and emulsion since then. After all the reading I came to believe that if you have a soap or soapish lair in between BD& water you got a problem in the process found mine already it was the temp. In the processor couldn’t keep it steady.  Already had a successful 80 liter batch yesterday (the smallest I can in this processor) Thanks again & happy New Year Golan ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian & Theresa Sims To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hi Golan 2 things, 1st read all the JtF site as there are some contradictions such as BD should be clear after processing then in the washing section it says the BD maybe cloudy and need to dry/settle for a couple of days in a sunny place. There is also a good section on emulsions. 2nd do small 1L test batches to sort these sort of problems out before going big. this includes not only changing the chemical ratios but drying the oil and checking the accuracy of you measuring equipment. I have done quite a few test batches before going to 15 then 30 L batches. Have fun Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: golan & michal To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hay Just joined the biodiesel world and this group as well. I’m from Israel & my name is Golan.   Just mixed my first 100-liter batch.   I use electric pump about 16 liter a minute  & 2.5 kw    heater. I preformed quality test (150 cc water &150 cc biodiesel shaked toghether in ahalf aliter jar)  after 24 hours and got 4-5 millimeter   white layer In-between the biodiesel and the water. As well the biodiesel   wasn’t clear. I reheated the tank again to 52 deg C  And mixed it with 10% methanol and 3.5 gram of lye per liter of oil. Mixed it for an hour. Any way I took samples after 20 and 40 min. I saw the biodiesel was darker then in the first mix and an extra very thin layer nylon like appeared on top of the biodiesel . 24 hours later preformed another quality test no spreration at all for aday and ahalf all ready it stays awaitish fluid. does any one knows what that layer is and what is there to do. All the best Golan _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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