Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
Hi I'm back in town.Lets get back to basics.What issue am I dancing around?Lets take them one at a time.I thought I had made myself clear.And, having lived in Florida and worked in the government,I thought it would give me an insight that you would appreciate.Instead you ignored what I said and continued to spout second hand information.So lets get back to it,point by point.But remember,I speak from first hand knowledge. Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, Until you can post the first fact and then start supplementing that one with others, I have to politely request that you stuff a sock in it Only when you prove yourself capable of accomplishing the former do you hold a valid place in the conversation that you wish to continue. What you conveniently sidestep and intentionally forget is that the rest of the world lived through the same experience and has the historical and judicial record or thieir side, making your unsupported opinion all rather empty and worthless. Good Day. - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine OK, I'm worn out.Your facts,my facts.If I have to spoon feed you its no fun.they cry for milk but there only ready for milk!The only way to grow is to remain objective.And stop the name calling.By the caliber of your words it would seem to be beneath you. I hope to renew our dialog in the future.Let it not be a monologue again Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, If you don't care to believe fact, that's your choice. However, it's my choice not to take others too seriously when they dance around, deny, distort or attempt to dissuade others from fact - their own arguments supported on other foundation than their unfounded opinion. If that's what your tastes are, then you'll certainly find yourself to be dining at a different restaurant. Good day. - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Hi Todd, Been laid up.I'm sorry I couldn't back to you sooner. Are we back to the name calling or don't I even rate half a whit?I was sincere about the web site.It was above the usual.There was just too much conjecture for my taste. I thank you for affording me a half hour of your valuable time.Believe me,it was time well spent.I learned something new,and who can put a price tag on an education? I'm just sorry that in your enthusiasm to pile drive your point into my thick skull you missed what I was saying.Maybe if you looked again.Looked at what I said as a whole and not a personal attack on a cherished belief Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions Hornswaggle. It's based upon court records, archived data of the period and the results of post-election examination of ballots and events by several print media outlets, the latter conducted under the eyes of election supervision offices. The conclusions are there for anyone to draw, provided they've been bequeathed with half a wit. The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted. Legally they were and are supposed to be manually tabulated. They weren't. They were discounted by election officials who knew that they were acting contrary to Florida statute. From that remark on you start to dabble in your own personal opinion, rather than fact. An overvote that is clearly marked for the same candidate in both the punch area and the write-in area requres no thought or guesswork to make an accurate determination. That's where, how and why they dare. All other combinations that create the slightest opportunity for doubt are null and void. As for the first one being free? You're right. It cost me a half-hour of valuable time. But to let glib one-liners of absolutely errant content go by unaddressed is an even greater waste, as others not so prone to check such claims could easily be led to believe that they were fact. Your claim certainly wasn't based upon fact. So perhaps you would care to state what it was based upon rather than letting anyone assign its basis? Nothing personal. Just that most people have no use for folly, fraud, false trails and misinformation. In the time honoured words of John Billings, I honestly believe it iz better tew know nothing than tew know what ain't so. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
Rico, It's not a matter of import to me whether your back in town or still swabbing the decks of a tramp steamer. I have neither the time nor the desire to fool with your pop-in-jay attitude or your disregard for historical record. Go back and read the posts, taking note of where you evaded and ignored reality and history. Or don't. Neither approach is of much matter to me. There is one thing you can take to the bank, however. Life's too short to suffer your foolishness or your selective insight. Good Day - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Hi I'm back in town.Lets get back to basics.What issue am I dancing around?Lets take them one at a time.I thought I had made myself clear.And, having lived in Florida and worked in the government,I thought it would give me an insight that you would appreciate.Instead you ignored what I said and continued to spout second hand information.So lets get back to it,point by point.But remember,I speak from first hand knowledge. Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, Until you can post the first fact and then start supplementing that one with others, I have to politely request that you stuff a sock in it Only when you prove yourself capable of accomplishing the former do you hold a valid place in the conversation that you wish to continue. What you conveniently sidestep and intentionally forget is that the rest of the world lived through the same experience and has the historical and judicial record or thieir side, making your unsupported opinion all rather empty and worthless. Good Day. - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine OK, I'm worn out.Your facts,my facts.If I have to spoon feed you its no fun.they cry for milk but there only ready for milk!The only way to grow is to remain objective.And stop the name calling.By the caliber of your words it would seem to be beneath you. I hope to renew our dialog in the future.Let it not be a monologue again Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, If you don't care to believe fact, that's your choice. However, it's my choice not to take others too seriously when they dance around, deny, distort or attempt to dissuade others from fact - their own arguments supported on other foundation than their unfounded opinion. If that's what your tastes are, then you'll certainly find yourself to be dining at a different restaurant. Good day. - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Hi Todd, Been laid up.I'm sorry I couldn't back to you sooner. Are we back to the name calling or don't I even rate half a whit?I was sincere about the web site.It was above the usual.There was just too much conjecture for my taste. I thank you for affording me a half hour of your valuable time.Believe me,it was time well spent.I learned something new,and who can put a price tag on an education? I'm just sorry that in your enthusiasm to pile drive your point into my thick skull you missed what I was saying.Maybe if you looked again.Looked at what I said as a whole and not a personal attack on a cherished belief Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions Hornswaggle. It's based upon court records, archived data of the period and the results of post-election examination of ballots and events by several print media outlets, the latter conducted under the eyes of election supervision offices. The conclusions are there for anyone to draw, provided they've been bequeathed with half a wit. The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted. Legally they were and are supposed to be manually tabulated. They weren't. They were discounted by election officials who knew that they were acting contrary to Florida statute. From that remark on you start to dabble in your own personal opinion, rather than fact. An overvote that is clearly marked for the same candidate in both the punch area and the write-in area requres no thought or guesswork to make an accurate determination. That's where, how and why they dare. All other combinations that create the slightest opportunity for doubt are null and void. As for the first
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
OK, I'm worn out.Your facts,my facts.If I have to spoon feed you its no fun.they cry for milk but there only ready for milk!The only way to grow is to remain objective.And stop the name calling.By the caliber of your words it would seem to be beneath you. I hope to renew our dialog in the future.Let it not be a monologue again Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, If you don't care to believe fact, that's your choice. However, it's my choice not to take others too seriously when they dance around, deny, distort or attempt to dissuade others from fact - their own arguments supported on other foundation than their unfounded opinion. If that's what your tastes are, then you'll certainly find yourself to be dining at a different restaurant. Good day. - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Hi Todd, Been laid up.I'm sorry I couldn't back to you sooner. Are we back to the name calling or don't I even rate half a whit?I was sincere about the web site.It was above the usual.There was just too much conjecture for my taste. I thank you for affording me a half hour of your valuable time.Believe me,it was time well spent.I learned something new,and who can put a price tag on an education? I'm just sorry that in your enthusiasm to pile drive your point into my thick skull you missed what I was saying.Maybe if you looked again.Looked at what I said as a whole and not a personal attack on a cherished belief Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions Hornswaggle. It's based upon court records, archived data of the period and the results of post-election examination of ballots and events by several print media outlets, the latter conducted under the eyes of election supervision offices. The conclusions are there for anyone to draw, provided they've been bequeathed with half a wit. The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted. Legally they were and are supposed to be manually tabulated. They weren't. They were discounted by election officials who knew that they were acting contrary to Florida statute. From that remark on you start to dabble in your own personal opinion, rather than fact. An overvote that is clearly marked for the same candidate in both the punch area and the write-in area requres no thought or guesswork to make an accurate determination. That's where, how and why they dare. All other combinations that create the slightest opportunity for doubt are null and void. As for the first one being free? You're right. It cost me a half-hour of valuable time. But to let glib one-liners of absolutely errant content go by unaddressed is an even greater waste, as others not so prone to check such claims could easily be led to believe that they were fact. Your claim certainly wasn't based upon fact. So perhaps you would care to state what it was based upon rather than letting anyone assign its basis? Nothing personal. Just that most people have no use for folly, fraud, false trails and misinformation. In the time honoured words of John Billings, I honestly believe it iz better tew know nothing than tew know what ain't so. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Hi, I wrote a great dissertation yesterday.Took me almost a half hour.It was very passionate you know.I clicked to send and my server crashed. I really don't have the willingness to regurgitate all I said yesterday,but I do owe you the courtesy of a reply. The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions.I could present an equal number of figures and links to contradict what you said.In the end we have learned nothing more than that we are both stubborn in our beliefs and deft at researching support for our side. The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted.Thats something I'm familiar with.I was born and raised in ChicagoVote Early! Vote Often! Part of the article said people were trying to determine what voters wanted when they selected nether candidate.I can answer that.It meant they thought both choices stunk!How dare they suppose to interfere with someones vote.As if the voter wasn't smart enough. I could ask why Gore courted the military vote with his two week stay in Viet Nam and then wanted their votes disqualified in Fl. A year
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
Rico, Until you can post the first fact and then start supplementing that one with others, I have to politely request that you stuff a sock in it Only when you prove yourself capable of accomplishing the former do you hold a valid place in the conversation that you wish to continue. What you conveniently sidestep and intentionally forget is that the rest of the world lived through the same experience and has the historical and judicial record or thieir side, making your unsupported opinion all rather empty and worthless. Good Day. - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine OK, I'm worn out.Your facts,my facts.If I have to spoon feed you its no fun.they cry for milk but there only ready for milk!The only way to grow is to remain objective.And stop the name calling.By the caliber of your words it would seem to be beneath you. I hope to renew our dialog in the future.Let it not be a monologue again Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, If you don't care to believe fact, that's your choice. However, it's my choice not to take others too seriously when they dance around, deny, distort or attempt to dissuade others from fact - their own arguments supported on other foundation than their unfounded opinion. If that's what your tastes are, then you'll certainly find yourself to be dining at a different restaurant. Good day. - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Hi Todd, Been laid up.I'm sorry I couldn't back to you sooner. Are we back to the name calling or don't I even rate half a whit?I was sincere about the web site.It was above the usual.There was just too much conjecture for my taste. I thank you for affording me a half hour of your valuable time.Believe me,it was time well spent.I learned something new,and who can put a price tag on an education? I'm just sorry that in your enthusiasm to pile drive your point into my thick skull you missed what I was saying.Maybe if you looked again.Looked at what I said as a whole and not a personal attack on a cherished belief Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions Hornswaggle. It's based upon court records, archived data of the period and the results of post-election examination of ballots and events by several print media outlets, the latter conducted under the eyes of election supervision offices. The conclusions are there for anyone to draw, provided they've been bequeathed with half a wit. The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted. Legally they were and are supposed to be manually tabulated. They weren't. They were discounted by election officials who knew that they were acting contrary to Florida statute. From that remark on you start to dabble in your own personal opinion, rather than fact. An overvote that is clearly marked for the same candidate in both the punch area and the write-in area requres no thought or guesswork to make an accurate determination. That's where, how and why they dare. All other combinations that create the slightest opportunity for doubt are null and void. As for the first one being free? You're right. It cost me a half-hour of valuable time. But to let glib one-liners of absolutely errant content go by unaddressed is an even greater waste, as others not so prone to check such claims could easily be led to believe that they were fact. Your claim certainly wasn't based upon fact. So perhaps you would care to state what it was based upon rather than letting anyone assign its basis? Nothing personal. Just that most people have no use for folly, fraud, false trails and misinformation. In the time honoured words of John Billings, I honestly believe it iz better tew know nothing than tew know what ain't so. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Hi, I wrote a great dissertation yesterday.Took me almost a half hour.It was very passionate you know.I clicked to send and my server crashed. I really don't have the willingness to regurgitate all I said yesterday,but I do owe you the courtesy of a reply. The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions.I could present an equal number of figures
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
Hi Keith,Sorry I didn't reply sooner.Threw out my back.Couldn't stand to sit if you'll pardon the pun.Yes and no.I did read the link but missed the author.My fault.A pox upon me! or something like that. As I said before When I was living down south there were many in gov.offices looking for opportunities to deny people there rights.To say Bush was a deliberate actor in this is to give him credit for something he was probably not aware of.Racism is still alive and doing very well in the south without any help from the Republican party. Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, Thank you for your reply. I wrote a lengthy reply to apprl and then my server crashed.So I wrote a second note that turned into war and peace.Being only a two finger typer,it goes pretty slow.Thank you for the kind way you explained just who Podvin was.I meant no disrespect to the man.But I do disagree strongly with what little I have read. Then, Rico, I suggest you try reading the links I posted in that message, since I don't think you did, or maybe you'd have noticed they were by Greg Palast, not David Podvin. Thanks for a great bio diesel forum. Well, thankyou, but everyone's to blame for that, not just me. :-) (Um, not just biodiesel!) PS I really like the people here too.I just can't help myself sometimes. Indeed yes. Fractious lot they (we) can be though, I can see I'm going to have to hit the Sweetness Light button again soon. Trouble is it doesn't work, completely ineffective, must be M$ stuff I suppose, mumble mumble... Keith Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Podvin?Denied voting?Stole an election?What planet is he from?? Planet USA, I believe. As is Greg Palast, though he had to go elsewhere because he's a first-rate investigative journalist and he found that the ever-more-concentrated ownership of the allegedly free media on Planet USA disapproved of the truth because it got in their way. But, though based now on Planet UK, which is marginally better in such things though still far from ideal, he continues to report on events on Planet USA. The fact that large numbers of the citizens of Planet USA have voted with their pockets to keep Palast's book on these matters in the top 10 bestsellers list for some time now would seem to indicate that a considerable proportion of that planet's population agrees with him and Podvin, and many others, and not with the media owners and you, and many others, when it comes to things like truth and what is and is not disproven. You could be among them. You should be among them, you owe it to yourself. You owe it to everyone. Among them the large numbers of other citizens of Planet USA who were denied a vote because they had been unjustly criminalised - guilty in advance, potential felons, as Jeb Bush called them, suspected of potentially attempting to vote while being black. Which is about to happen all over again, and not just in Florida, though it wasn't just in Florida last time too. See, for instance: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040517s=palast April 29, 2004 Vanishing Votes by Gregory Palast More: http://GregPalast.com/columns.cfm?subject_id=1subject_name=Theft%20of %20Presidency Columns - Theft of Presidency Not just one man saying so on the basis of nothing (like you), it's all in the record, for those who care to look. You can get the book here - it's called The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: http://www.gregpalast.com/store.htm Lets not allow the truth to get in the way of a tired old disproven diatribe! You mean Manifest Destiny? I'd rather let the truth get in the way of it, no matter how inconvenient that might be. Best Keith FlameOn Brother Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10/1/02 Unaltered AP photograph of George W. Bush, taken at a fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Bob Beauprez in Denver, Colorado September 27, 2002 MANIFEST DESTINY By David Podvin http://www.makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/021001_ManifestDestiny.htm snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year [Non-text portions of this message have been
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
Rico, If you don't care to believe fact, that's your choice. However, it's my choice not to take others too seriously when they dance around, deny, distort or attempt to dissuade others from fact - their own arguments supported on other foundation than their unfounded opinion. If that's what your tastes are, then you'll certainly find yourself to be dining at a different restaurant. Good day. - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Hi Todd, Been laid up.I'm sorry I couldn't back to you sooner. Are we back to the name calling or don't I even rate half a whit?I was sincere about the web site.It was above the usual.There was just too much conjecture for my taste. I thank you for affording me a half hour of your valuable time.Believe me,it was time well spent.I learned something new,and who can put a price tag on an education? I'm just sorry that in your enthusiasm to pile drive your point into my thick skull you missed what I was saying.Maybe if you looked again.Looked at what I said as a whole and not a personal attack on a cherished belief Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions Hornswaggle. It's based upon court records, archived data of the period and the results of post-election examination of ballots and events by several print media outlets, the latter conducted under the eyes of election supervision offices. The conclusions are there for anyone to draw, provided they've been bequeathed with half a wit. The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted. Legally they were and are supposed to be manually tabulated. They weren't. They were discounted by election officials who knew that they were acting contrary to Florida statute. From that remark on you start to dabble in your own personal opinion, rather than fact. An overvote that is clearly marked for the same candidate in both the punch area and the write-in area requres no thought or guesswork to make an accurate determination. That's where, how and why they dare. All other combinations that create the slightest opportunity for doubt are null and void. As for the first one being free? You're right. It cost me a half-hour of valuable time. But to let glib one-liners of absolutely errant content go by unaddressed is an even greater waste, as others not so prone to check such claims could easily be led to believe that they were fact. Your claim certainly wasn't based upon fact. So perhaps you would care to state what it was based upon rather than letting anyone assign its basis? Nothing personal. Just that most people have no use for folly, fraud, false trails and misinformation. In the time honoured words of John Billings, I honestly believe it iz better tew know nothing than tew know what ain't so. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Hi, I wrote a great dissertation yesterday.Took me almost a half hour.It was very passionate you know.I clicked to send and my server crashed. I really don't have the willingness to regurgitate all I said yesterday,but I do owe you the courtesy of a reply. The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions.I could present an equal number of figures and links to contradict what you said.In the end we have learned nothing more than that we are both stubborn in our beliefs and deft at researching support for our side. The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted.Thats something I'm familiar with.I was born and raised in ChicagoVote Early! Vote Often! Part of the article said people were trying to determine what voters wanted when they selected nether candidate.I can answer that.It meant they thought both choices stunk!How dare they suppose to interfere with someones vote.As if the voter wasn't smart enough. I could ask why Gore courted the military vote with his two week stay in Viet Nam and then wanted their votes disqualified in Fl. A year after the election both the NY Times and the Washington Post both conceded that with all the votes counted that should have been counted Bush would have won anyway. None of this includes the vote fraud scandal that went on in Wis. Wisconsin was another key state.It is a solid republican state.If Bush had won Wis. he wouldn't have needed Fl. for a victory.No one talks about the scandal here much because they figure Fl. was the Dem's
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
Sorry, That should have been supported on no other foundation... Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Rico, If you don't care to believe fact, that's your choice. However, it's my choice not to take others too seriously when they dance around, deny, distort or attempt to dissuade others from fact - their own arguments supported on other foundation than their unfounded opinion. If that's what your tastes are, then you'll certainly find yourself to be dining at a different restaurant. Good day. - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Hi Todd, Been laid up.I'm sorry I couldn't back to you sooner. Are we back to the name calling or don't I even rate half a whit?I was sincere about the web site.It was above the usual.There was just too much conjecture for my taste. I thank you for affording me a half hour of your valuable time.Believe me,it was time well spent.I learned something new,and who can put a price tag on an education? I'm just sorry that in your enthusiasm to pile drive your point into my thick skull you missed what I was saying.Maybe if you looked again.Looked at what I said as a whole and not a personal attack on a cherished belief Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions Hornswaggle. It's based upon court records, archived data of the period and the results of post-election examination of ballots and events by several print media outlets, the latter conducted under the eyes of election supervision offices. The conclusions are there for anyone to draw, provided they've been bequeathed with half a wit. The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted. Legally they were and are supposed to be manually tabulated. They weren't. They were discounted by election officials who knew that they were acting contrary to Florida statute. From that remark on you start to dabble in your own personal opinion, rather than fact. An overvote that is clearly marked for the same candidate in both the punch area and the write-in area requres no thought or guesswork to make an accurate determination. That's where, how and why they dare. All other combinations that create the slightest opportunity for doubt are null and void. As for the first one being free? You're right. It cost me a half-hour of valuable time. But to let glib one-liners of absolutely errant content go by unaddressed is an even greater waste, as others not so prone to check such claims could easily be led to believe that they were fact. Your claim certainly wasn't based upon fact. So perhaps you would care to state what it was based upon rather than letting anyone assign its basis? Nothing personal. Just that most people have no use for folly, fraud, false trails and misinformation. In the time honoured words of John Billings, I honestly believe it iz better tew know nothing than tew know what ain't so. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Hi, I wrote a great dissertation yesterday.Took me almost a half hour.It was very passionate you know.I clicked to send and my server crashed. I really don't have the willingness to regurgitate all I said yesterday,but I do owe you the courtesy of a reply. The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions.I could present an equal number of figures and links to contradict what you said.In the end we have learned nothing more than that we are both stubborn in our beliefs and deft at researching support for our side. The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted.Thats something I'm familiar with.I was born and raised in ChicagoVote Early! Vote Often! Part of the article said people were trying to determine what voters wanted when they selected nether candidate.I can answer that.It meant they thought both choices stunk!How dare they suppose to interfere with someones vote.As if the voter wasn't smart enough. I could ask why Gore courted the military vote with his two week stay in Viet Nam and then wanted their votes disqualified in Fl. A year after the election both the NY Times and the Washington Post both conceded that with all the votes counted that should have
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
/lostvotes.htm But you'll turn your nose up at the facts (see footnotes/references) and snot at the outlet. Forget that when the US Supreme Court halted the recount the totals were within 113 or 114 votes of a Gore victory. Forget the findings of the NAACP lawsuit settled on 9/4/2002. And you'll discount the Diebold electronic voting machine errors in Volusia and Brevard counties, to the tune of 20,000 some odd votes. They were caught only because of their glaring size. Nobody bothered to check the rest of the electronic machines for errors. That certainly doesn't bode well for the accuracy of electronic voting in 2004. Frankly, what it sounds like brother, is that you're more interested in walking through life with your eyes focused on what is convenient to your belief system rather than reality. And in the process? You have no problem dissing/dismissing anyone or anything that you're in disagreement with. Meaning that the only place that fact becomes fiction and tired old disproven diatribe is in your mind, where the court of reason seems to be largely on permanent recess. Pity that. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Podvin?Denied voting?Stole an election?What planet is he from??Lets not allow the truth to get in the way of a tired old disproven diatribe! FlameOn Brother Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10/1/02 Unaltered AP photograph of George W. Bush, taken at a fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Bob Beauprez in Denver, Colorado September 27, 2002 MANIFEST DESTINY By David Podvin American foreign policy is revisiting the most brutal period in our history. George W. Bush has resurrected the scourge of Manifest Destiny, a depraved philosophy that states we are morally compelled by God Almighty to kill weaker people and steal their land. There is no scriptural evidence that this is the covenant of Jehovah or Jesus or Mohammad or Buddha; the God whose will is now being carried out more closely resembles Attila the Hun. The stated desire for world domination has some observers comparing Bush to Adolf Hitler. It is a comparison that is entirely inappropriate - Hitler did not pretend to love the innocent civilians he was slaughtering. On the home front, there is also an unwelcome blast from the past. As has happened so many times in American history, conservatives are expediently detecting the scent of treason in the air. The moon is full, and the blood is rising in the wolf. Right-wingers are now working themselves into the irrational, frenzied state that precedes the hunt, lustfully anticipating the carnage they are about to inflict. Yet again, conservatives are patriotically preparing to lay waste to their natural born prey: the evil ones amongst us who endanger this sacred land by failing to conform to the Lord's fascist agenda. Having fostered imperialism abroad and McCarthyism at home, and with the stock market teetering on the edge of collapse, Bush is closing in on a Trifecta for the ages. Add the fact that he previously prevented blacks from voting, throw in the current discrimination against citizens who physically resemble the enemy, and Bush has delivered a reprise of the worst of twentieth century America - all deftly compressed into less than two years The Bush record is a logical extension of what happened in 2000. The theft of that election was not just a power grab - it was a policy statement by someone who has contempt for democracy and the rule of law. The inevitable result is the introduction of the Bush Doctrine. It declares that, while the United States would prefer to behave legally, We will not hesitate to act alone, if necessary, to exercise our right of self-defense by acting pre-emptively. The Bush Doctrine is the latest incarnation of the Manson Doctrine, which clearly states, I reserve the right to kill you if I feel like it. This is not the best of America. America at its best exports freedom and democracy, not death and destruction. One of the shining moments in our history occurred when the Marshall Plan rebuilt Europe, even the part of Europe that had just tried to kill us. After defeating our enemies, we fed them and then helped to create free societies in which they could thrive. As a result, we turned adversaries into allies. Contrast this approach with the current situation in Afghanistan, where Bush has replaced the Taliban with thugs of his own and left the peasants to fend for themselves - without food or shelter - by growing opium poppies. America at its best allows people to read library books without having the Attorney General pass judgment on their selections, and go to museums without being monitored by FBI agents
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Keith, Thank you for your reply. I wrote a lengthy reply to apprl and then my server crashed.So I wrote a second note that turned into war and peace.Being only a two finger typer,it goes pretty slow.Thank you for the kind way you explained just who Podvin was.I meant no disrespect to the man.But I do disagree strongly with what little I have read. Thanks for a great bio diesel forum. PS I really like the people here too.I just can't help myself sometimes. Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Podvin?Denied voting?Stole an election?What planet is he from?? Planet USA, I believe. As is Greg Palast, though he had to go elsewhere because he's a first-rate investigative journalist and he found that the ever-more-concentrated ownership of the allegedly free media on Planet USA disapproved of the truth because it got in their way. But, though based now on Planet UK, which is marginally better in such things though still far from ideal, he continues to report on events on Planet USA. The fact that large numbers of the citizens of Planet USA have voted with their pockets to keep Palast's book on these matters in the top 10 bestsellers list for some time now would seem to indicate that a considerable proportion of that planet's population agrees with him and Podvin, and many others, and not with the media owners and you, and many others, when it comes to things like truth and what is and is not disproven. You could be among them. You should be among them, you owe it to yourself. You owe it to everyone. Among them the large numbers of other citizens of Planet USA who were denied a vote because they had been unjustly criminalised - guilty in advance, potential felons, as Jeb Bush called them, suspected of potentially attempting to vote while being black. Which is about to happen all over again, and not just in Florida, though it wasn't just in Florida last time too. See, for instance: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040517s=palast April 29, 2004 Vanishing Votes by Gregory Palast More: http://GregPalast.com/columns.cfm?subject_id=1subject_name=Theft%20of %20Presidency Columns - Theft of Presidency Not just one man saying so on the basis of nothing (like you), it's all in the record, for those who care to look. You can get the book here - it's called The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: http://www.gregpalast.com/store.htm Lets not allow the truth to get in the way of a tired old disproven diatribe! You mean Manifest Destiny? I'd rather let the truth get in the way of it, no matter how inconvenient that might be. Best Keith FlameOn Brother Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10/1/02 Unaltered AP photograph of George W. Bush, taken at a fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Bob Beauprez in Denver, Colorado September 27, 2002 MANIFEST DESTINY By David Podvin http://www.makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/021001_ManifestDestiny.htm snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Rico, The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions Hornswaggle. It's based upon court records, archived data of the period and the results of post-election examination of ballots and events by several print media outlets, the latter conducted under the eyes of election supervision offices. The conclusions are there for anyone to draw, provided they've been bequeathed with half a wit. The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted. Legally they were and are supposed to be manually tabulated. They weren't. They were discounted by election officials who knew that they were acting contrary to Florida statute.
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Keith, Thank you for your reply. I wrote a lengthy reply to apprl and then my server crashed.So I wrote a second note that turned into war and peace.Being only a two finger typer,it goes pretty slow.Thank you for the kind way you explained just who Podvin was.I meant no disrespect to the man.But I do disagree strongly with what little I have read. Then, Rico, I suggest you try reading the links I posted in that message, since I don't think you did, or maybe you'd have noticed they were by Greg Palast, not David Podvin. Thanks for a great bio diesel forum. Well, thankyou, but everyone's to blame for that, not just me. :-) (Um, not just biodiesel!) PS I really like the people here too.I just can't help myself sometimes. Indeed yes. Fractious lot they (we) can be though, I can see I'm going to have to hit the Sweetness Light button again soon. Trouble is it doesn't work, completely ineffective, must be M$ stuff I suppose, mumble mumble... Keith Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Podvin?Denied voting?Stole an election?What planet is he from?? Planet USA, I believe. As is Greg Palast, though he had to go elsewhere because he's a first-rate investigative journalist and he found that the ever-more-concentrated ownership of the allegedly free media on Planet USA disapproved of the truth because it got in their way. But, though based now on Planet UK, which is marginally better in such things though still far from ideal, he continues to report on events on Planet USA. The fact that large numbers of the citizens of Planet USA have voted with their pockets to keep Palast's book on these matters in the top 10 bestsellers list for some time now would seem to indicate that a considerable proportion of that planet's population agrees with him and Podvin, and many others, and not with the media owners and you, and many others, when it comes to things like truth and what is and is not disproven. You could be among them. You should be among them, you owe it to yourself. You owe it to everyone. Among them the large numbers of other citizens of Planet USA who were denied a vote because they had been unjustly criminalised - guilty in advance, potential felons, as Jeb Bush called them, suspected of potentially attempting to vote while being black. Which is about to happen all over again, and not just in Florida, though it wasn't just in Florida last time too. See, for instance: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040517s=palast April 29, 2004 Vanishing Votes by Gregory Palast More: http://GregPalast.com/columns.cfm?subject_id=1subject_name=Theft%20of %20Presidency Columns - Theft of Presidency Not just one man saying so on the basis of nothing (like you), it's all in the record, for those who care to look. You can get the book here - it's called The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: http://www.gregpalast.com/store.htm Lets not allow the truth to get in the way of a tired old disproven diatribe! You mean Manifest Destiny? I'd rather let the truth get in the way of it, no matter how inconvenient that might be. Best Keith FlameOn Brother Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10/1/02 Unaltered AP photograph of George W. Bush, taken at a fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Bob Beauprez in Denver, Colorado September 27, 2002 MANIFEST DESTINY By David Podvin http://www.makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/021001_ManifestDestiny.htm snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Podvin?Denied voting?Stole an election?What planet is he from??Lets not allow the truth to get in the way of a tired old disproven diatribe! FlameOn Brother Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10/1/02 Unaltered AP photograph of George W. Bush, taken at a fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Bob Beauprez in Denver, Colorado September 27, 2002 MANIFEST DESTINY By David Podvin American foreign policy is revisiting the most brutal period in our history. George W. Bush has resurrected the scourge of Manifest Destiny, a depraved philosophy that states we are morally compelled by God Almighty to kill weaker people and steal their land. There is no scriptural evidence that this is the covenant of Jehovah or Jesus or Mohammad or Buddha; the God whose will is now being carried out more closely resembles Attila the Hun. The stated desire for world domination has some observers comparing Bush to Adolf Hitler. It is a comparison that is entirely inappropriate - Hitler did not pretend to love the innocent civilians he was slaughtering. On the home front, there is also an unwelcome blast from the past. As has happened so many times in American history, conservatives are expediently detecting the scent of treason in the air. The moon is full, and the blood is rising in the wolf. Right-wingers are now working themselves into the irrational, frenzied state that precedes the hunt, lustfully anticipating the carnage they are about to inflict. Yet again, conservatives are patriotically preparing to lay waste to their natural born prey: the evil ones amongst us who endanger this sacred land by failing to conform to the Lord's fascist agenda. Having fostered imperialism abroad and McCarthyism at home, and with the stock market teetering on the edge of collapse, Bush is closing in on a Trifecta for the ages. Add the fact that he previously prevented blacks from voting, throw in the current discrimination against citizens who physically resemble the enemy, and Bush has delivered a reprise of the worst of twentieth century America - all deftly compressed into less than two years The Bush record is a logical extension of what happened in 2000. The theft of that election was not just a power grab - it was a policy statement by someone who has contempt for democracy and the rule of law. The inevitable result is the introduction of the Bush Doctrine. It declares that, while the United States would prefer to behave legally, We will not hesitate to act alone, if necessary, to exercise our right of self-defense by acting pre-emptively. The Bush Doctrine is the latest incarnation of the Manson Doctrine, which clearly states, I reserve the right to kill you if I feel like it. This is not the best of America. America at its best exports freedom and democracy, not death and destruction. One of the shining moments in our history occurred when the Marshall Plan rebuilt Europe, even the part of Europe that had just tried to kill us. After defeating our enemies, we fed them and then helped to create free societies in which they could thrive. As a result, we turned adversaries into allies. Contrast this approach with the current situation in Afghanistan, where Bush has replaced the Taliban with thugs of his own and left the peasants to fend for themselves - without food or shelter - by growing opium poppies. America at its best allows people to read library books without having the Attorney General pass judgment on their selections, and go to museums without being monitored by FBI agents, and publicly demonstrate against government policy without being harassed. The best of America is George Washington declining to become king because he preferred to live as an equal rather than rule as a sovereign. This stands in sharp contrast to the current George, who attempts to rule as a sovereign even though he fails to qualify as an equal. The best of America is Abraham Lincoln imploring his countrymen to avoid war by listening to the better angels of their nature. It is quite different than imploring Congress to slash Medicare benefits for old Americans in order to help underwrite the cost of sending young Americans off to die. The best of America is Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., risking and ultimately sacrificing his own life so that others could be free at last. Personal sacrifice is alien to the man who now insists that our country pay a huge toll in blood and treasure to satiate the greed of his campaign contributors. America is a great country when we follow the lead of great people. And then there is the America that is led by George W. Bush. While the litany of ways in which Bush has disgraced our nation is seemingly endless, one example is especially compelling. Under Bush, self-proclaimed child of God, America is currently torturing foreign nationals who are suspected of committing terrorism. This return to the caves is cheered
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Rico, You get this one free. Next time you choose to assert something based out of ignorance you'll have to do your own fact checking on your own dime. (God!!! What a novel thought!!! Actually thinking before you speak.) One can only surmise that you focus more on the gardening section, comics and want adds when you read your daily fish wrap rather than the news articles of the day. Otherwise you would have been long aware that thousands of duly registered voters were expunged from the roles by Florida's over zealous attempt to prevent felons from voting. You would be aware that DBT was instructed (part of the court record) to use as many broad methods as available to cast as wide a net as possible, including reversing names, including nick names, substituting names such as Christine for Christopher, dropping suffixes like Jr. and Sr. So a search for a felon named Jeff Dockside Whiting would net Jeff Whiting, Jeffrey Whiting, Geoff Whiting, any of the three named Jr. or Sr., Jeff Dockside, etc, etc, etc. This isn't fiction. It happened. And the most searing indictment of corrupt practice is that 90.2% of those wrongly purged were black. This made DBT's purging one hell of a handicap, as 93% of black voters in Florida voted for Gore. Most peculiar was the manner in which the white Mr. Whitings or Docksides seldom to never made it onto the purge list, but the black Mr. Whitings and Docksides did. Race was used as an identifier but social security numbers, birth names and birth dates were clearly and readily discounted. Think not? Ask Madison County's election supervisor Linda Howell or the Hillsborough judge who were both wrongly purged. That's a matter of court record as well, as were the thousands of votes in Gadsen County that were discounted - 1 out of 8 votes. Whereas in Tallahassee County only 1 out of 100 were discounted, even though the same type of machines were used. The difference between the two counties was that optical readers were available to Tallahassee (primarily a white county) and voters who erred were instructed to go back and correct their errors, while no readers were available in Gadsen (primarily a black county) and no similar opportunity available there. As for illegal failure to properly count thousands of overvotes (write-in votes and punched votes on the same ballot)? http://www.failureisimpossible.com/essays/lostvotes.htm But you'll turn your nose up at the facts (see footnotes/references) and snot at the outlet. Forget that when the US Supreme Court halted the recount the totals were within 113 or 114 votes of a Gore victory. Forget the findings of the NAACP lawsuit settled on 9/4/2002. And you'll discount the Diebold electronic voting machine errors in Volusia and Brevard counties, to the tune of 20,000 some odd votes. They were caught only because of their glaring size. Nobody bothered to check the rest of the electronic machines for errors. That certainly doesn't bode well for the accuracy of electronic voting in 2004. Frankly, what it sounds like brother, is that you're more interested in walking through life with your eyes focused on what is convenient to your belief system rather than reality. And in the process? You have no problem dissing/dismissing anyone or anything that you're in disagreement with. Meaning that the only place that fact becomes fiction and tired old disproven diatribe is in your mind, where the court of reason seems to be largely on permanent recess. Pity that. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Podvin?Denied voting?Stole an election?What planet is he from??Lets not allow the truth to get in the way of a tired old disproven diatribe! FlameOn Brother Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10/1/02 Unaltered AP photograph of George W. Bush, taken at a fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Bob Beauprez in Denver, Colorado September 27, 2002 MANIFEST DESTINY By David Podvin American foreign policy is revisiting the most brutal period in our history. George W. Bush has resurrected the scourge of Manifest Destiny, a depraved philosophy that states we are morally compelled by God Almighty to kill weaker people and steal their land. There is no scriptural evidence that this is the covenant of Jehovah or Jesus or Mohammad or Buddha; the God whose will is now being carried out more closely resembles Attila the Hun. The stated desire for world domination has some observers comparing Bush to Adolf Hitler. It is a comparison that is entirely inappropriate - Hitler did not pretend to love the innocent civilians he was slaughtering. On the home front, there is also an unwelcome blast from the past. As has happened so many times in American history
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Podvin?Denied voting?Stole an election?What planet is he from?? Planet USA, I believe. As is Greg Palast, though he had to go elsewhere because he's a first-rate investigative journalist and he found that the ever-more-concentrated ownership of the allegedly free media on Planet USA disapproved of the truth because it got in their way. But, though based now on Planet UK, which is marginally better in such things though still far from ideal, he continues to report on events on Planet USA. The fact that large numbers of the citizens of Planet USA have voted with their pockets to keep Palast's book on these matters in the top 10 bestsellers list for some time now would seem to indicate that a considerable proportion of that planet's population agrees with him and Podvin, and many others, and not with the media owners and you, and many others, when it comes to things like truth and what is and is not disproven. You could be among them. You should be among them, you owe it to yourself. You owe it to everyone. Among them the large numbers of other citizens of Planet USA who were denied a vote because they had been unjustly criminalised - guilty in advance, potential felons, as Jeb Bush called them, suspected of potentially attempting to vote while being black. Which is about to happen all over again, and not just in Florida, though it wasn't just in Florida last time too. See, for instance: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040517s=palast April 29, 2004 Vanishing Votes by Gregory Palast More: http://GregPalast.com/columns.cfm?subject_id=1subject_name=Theft%20of %20Presidency Columns - Theft of Presidency Not just one man saying so on the basis of nothing (like you), it's all in the record, for those who care to look. You can get the book here - it's called The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: http://www.gregpalast.com/store.htm Lets not allow the truth to get in the way of a tired old disproven diatribe! You mean Manifest Destiny? I'd rather let the truth get in the way of it, no matter how inconvenient that might be. Best Keith FlameOn Brother Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10/1/02 Unaltered AP photograph of George W. Bush, taken at a fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Bob Beauprez in Denver, Colorado September 27, 2002 MANIFEST DESTINY By David Podvin http://www.makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/021001_ManifestDestiny.htm snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Sorry. Forgot the web address for the editorial. http://www.makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/021001_ManifestDestiny.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
