Hi,
I wrote a great dissertation yesterday.Took me almost a half hour.It was very
passionate you know.I clicked to send and my server crashed.
I really don't have the willingness to regurgitate all I said yesterday,but I
do owe you the courtesy of a reply.
The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it
still consists mostly of opinions.I could present an equal number of figures
and links to contradict what you said.In the end we have learned nothing more
than that we are both stubborn in our beliefs and deft at researching support
for our side.
The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted.Thats
something I'm familiar with.I was born and raised in Chicago............Vote
Early! Vote Often!
Part of the article said people were trying to determine what voters wanted
when they selected nether candidate.I can answer that.It meant they thought
both choices stunk!How dare they suppose to interfere with someones vote.As if
the voter wasn't smart enough.
I could ask why Gore courted the military vote with his two week stay in Viet
Nam and then wanted their votes disqualified in Fl.
A year after the election both the NY Times and the Washington Post both
conceded that with all the votes counted that should have been counted Bush
would have won anyway.
None of this includes the vote fraud scandal that went on in Wis. Wisconsin was
another key state.It is a solid republican state.If Bush had won Wis. he
wouldn't have needed Fl. for a victory.No one talks about the scandal here much
because they figure Fl. was the Dem's comeuppance for Wis.
I lived in the south for many years.and to blame stripping blacks of voter
rights on the republicans is very short sighted.
In the war between the states The republic won.The night riders who rode
against the northern carpetbaggers were democrats.These were the same people
who fought to keep Jim Crow laws intact
Nowadays you can't tell the players without a scorecard.There are people in
office in many southern states who are always looking for a way to deny people
their rights.To put it on one party is to make a fool of yourself at their
expense.
Speaking of fools.I joined this board to learn about bio diesel.A bonus was
finding some sharp people here who have nothing in common with me.As for the
first one being free,I'm not so sure it was free.Calling me ignorant?You don't
know me well enough to call me names yet.
I look forward to further encounters.
Rico
Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Rico,
You get this one free. Next time you choose to assert something based out of
ignorance you'll have to do your own fact checking on your own dime. (God!!!
What a novel thought!!! Actually thinking before you speak.)
One can only surmise that you focus more on the gardening section, comics
and want adds when you read your daily fish wrap rather than the news
articles of the day. Otherwise you would have been long aware that thousands
of duly registered voters were expunged from the roles by Florida's over
zealous attempt to prevent felons from voting.
You would be aware that DB&T was instructed (part of the court record) to
use as many broad methods as available to cast as wide a net as possible,
including reversing names, including nick names, substituting names such as
Christine for Christopher, dropping suffixes like Jr. and Sr. So a "search"
for a felon named Jeff "Dockside" Whiting would net Jeff Whiting, Jeffrey
Whiting, Geoff Whiting, any of the three named Jr. or Sr., Jeff Dockside,
etc, etc, etc.
This isn't fiction. It happened.
And the most searing indictment of corrupt practice is that 90.2% of those
wrongly purged were "black." This made DB&T's "purging" one hell of a
handicap, as 93% of black voters in Florida voted for Gore.
Most peculiar was the manner in which the white Mr. Whitings or Docksides
seldom to never made it onto the purge list, but the black Mr. Whitings and
Docksides did. Race was used as an "identifier" but social security numbers,
birth names and birth dates were clearly and readily discounted. Think not?
Ask Madison County's election supervisor Linda Howell or the Hillsborough
judge who were both wrongly purged.
That's a matter of court record as well, as were the thousands of votes in
Gadsen County that were discounted - 1 out of 8 votes. Whereas in
Tallahassee County only 1 out of 100 were discounted, even though the same
type of machines were used. The difference between the two counties was that
optical readers were available to Tallahassee (primarily a "white" county")
and voters who erred were instructed to go back and correct their errors,
while no readers were available in Gadsen (primarily a "black" county) and
no similar opportunity available there.
As for illegal failure to properly count thousands of overvotes (write-in
votes and punched votes on the same ballot)?
http://www.failureisimpossible.com/essays/lostvotes.htm
But you'll turn your nose up at the facts (see footnotes/references) and
snot at the outlet.
Forget that when the US Supreme Court halted the recount the totals "were
within 113 or 114 votes" of a Gore victory.
Forget the findings of the NAACP lawsuit settled on 9/4/2002.
And you'll discount the Diebold electronic voting machine errors in Volusia
and Brevard counties, to the tune of 20,000 some odd votes. They were caught
only because of their glaring size. Nobody bothered to check the rest of the
electronic machines for errors.
That certainly doesn't bode well for the accuracy of electronic voting in
2004.
Frankly, what it sounds like "brother," is that you're more interested in
walking through life with your eyes focused on what is convenient to your
belief system rather than reality.
And in the process? You have no problem dissing/dismissing anyone or
anything that you're in disagreement with. Meaning that the only place that
fact becomes fiction and "tired old disproven diatribe" is in your mind,
where the court of reason seems to be largely on permanent recess.
Pity that.
Todd Swearingen
----- Original Message -----
From: "rico suavae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine & The Manson Doctrine
> Podvin?Denied voting?Stole an election?What planet is he from??Lets not
allow the truth to get in the way of a tired old disproven diatribe!
> FlameOn Brother!!!!
> Rico
> Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 10/1/02
> Unaltered AP photograph of George W. Bush, taken at a
> fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Bob
> Beauprez in Denver, Colorado September 27, 2002
> MANIFEST DESTINY
>
> By David Podvin
>
> American foreign policy is revisiting the most brutal period in our
history.
> George W. Bush has resurrected the scourge of Manifest Destiny, a depraved
> philosophy that states we are morally compelled by God Almighty to kill
> weaker people and steal their land. There is no scriptural evidence that
> this is the covenant of Jehovah or Jesus or Mohammad or Buddha; the God
> whose will is now being carried out more closely resembles Attila the Hun.
> The stated desire for world domination has some observers comparing Bush
to
> Adolf Hitler. It is a comparison that is entirely inappropriate - Hitler
did
> not pretend to love the innocent civilians he was slaughtering.
>
> On the home front, there is also an unwelcome blast from the past. As has
> happened so many times in American history, conservatives are expediently
> detecting the scent of treason in the air. The moon is full, and the blood
> is rising in the wolf. Right-wingers are now working themselves into the
> irrational, frenzied state that precedes the hunt, lustfully anticipating
> the carnage they are about to inflict. Yet again, conservatives are
> patriotically preparing to lay waste to their natural born prey: the evil
> ones amongst us who endanger this sacred land by failing to conform to the
> Lord's fascist agenda.
>
> Having fostered imperialism abroad and McCarthyism at home, and with the
> stock market teetering on the edge of collapse, Bush is closing in on a
> Trifecta for the ages. Add the fact that he previously prevented blacks
from
> voting, throw in the current discrimination against citizens who
physically
> resemble the enemy, and Bush has delivered a reprise of the worst of
> twentieth century America - all deftly compressed into less than two years
>
> The Bush record is a logical extension of what happened in 2000. The theft
> of that election was not just a power grab - it was a policy statement by
> someone who has contempt for democracy and the rule of law. The inevitable
> result is the introduction of the Bush Doctrine. It declares that, while
the
> United States would prefer to behave legally, "We will not hesitate to
act
> alone, if necessary, to exercise our right of self-defense by acting
> pre-emptively." The Bush Doctrine is the latest incarnation of the Manson
> Doctrine, which clearly states, "I reserve the right to kill you if I
feel
> like it."
>
> This is not the best of America.
>
> America at its best exports freedom and democracy, not death and
> destruction. One of the shining moments in our history occurred when the
> Marshall Plan rebuilt Europe, even the part of Europe that had just tried
to
> kill us. After defeating our enemies, we fed them and then helped to
create
> free societies in which they could thrive. As a result, we turned
> adversaries into allies. Contrast this approach with the current situation
> in Afghanistan, where Bush has replaced the Taliban with thugs of his own
> and left the peasants to fend for themselves - without food or shelter -
by
> growing opium poppies.
>
> America at its best allows people to read library books without having the
> Attorney General pass judgment on their selections, and go to museums
> without being monitored by FBI agents, and publicly demonstrate against
> government policy without being harassed.
>
> The best of America is George Washington declining to become king because
he
> preferred to live as an equal rather than rule as a sovereign. This stands
> in sharp contrast to the current George, who attempts to rule as a
sovereign
> even though he fails to qualify as an equal.
>
> The best of America is Abraham Lincoln imploring his countrymen to avoid
war
> by listening to the better angels of their nature. It is quite different
> than imploring Congress to slash Medicare benefits for old Americans in
> order to help underwrite the cost of sending young Americans off to die.
>
> The best of America is Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., risking and ultimately
> sacrificing his own life so that others could be free at last. Personal
> sacrifice is alien to the man who now insists that our country pay a huge
> toll in blood and treasure to satiate the greed of his campaign
> contributors.
>
> America is a great country when we follow the lead of great people.
>
> And then there is the America that is led by George W. Bush. While the
> litany of ways in which Bush has disgraced our nation is seemingly
endless,
> one example is especially compelling. Under Bush, self-proclaimed child of
> God, America is currently torturing foreign nationals who are suspected of
> committing terrorism. This return to the caves is cheered by the ruling
> class and their echoes in the mainstream media, who emphasize that our
> sadism is different than that of Torquemada and Idi Amin because we are
the
> good guys. The conduct of the Bush administration must always be viewed
> through this prism, because merely looking at the facts as they exist
would
> lead a moral person to some very troubling and socially unacceptable
> conclusions. The prevailing wisdom among America's elite opinion makers is
> that torturing captured foes is an unpleasant but essential part of our
> noble fight against barbarism.
>
> The dungeon also beckons indigenous enemies of the state. Bush is
> petitioning the courts to permit "coercive interrogations" of American
> citizens who are not even accused of terrorism. The current descent into
> totalitarian savagery qualifies as one of those many things that are
> questioned only by traitors.
>
> There is an ongoing struggle between the good America and the bad. It was
> seen when Dalton Trumbo courageously imperiled his career by refusing to
> betray his friends before the House Un-American Activities Committee,
while
> Ronald Reagan cravenly informed on law-abiding people in order to save his
> own skin. It is seen when Congressman Jim McDermott - who served with
> distinction in the United States Navy in Vietnam - desperately tries to
> avert an avoidable war because he doesn't want innocent people on either
> side to die, while Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott - who served with
> distinction in the Hair Club For Men in Mississippi - enthusiastically
> advocates sending other people's children off to lose their lives for
Exxon
> Mobil.
>
> To Bush and his followers, dissent is indistinguishable from treason. The
> concept of "freedom and justice for all" never really caught on with
> conservatives, who have always seen more virtue in "might makes right".
> Their philosophy is, ironically enough, Darwinism in its purest form.
> Conservatives govern on the basis that a well-ordered social structure
> requires the powerful to strengthen their dominance over the weak. No
matter
> how much Bush tries to pretty up this vulgar philosophy with his mangled
> rhetoric, compassionate conservatism can ultimately be distilled to its
> essence: "You do as I say, and no one gets hurt." This applies equally to
> the people in the Middle East and the people in the Middle West. America
is
> now being governed by Corleone family values, with Fredo calling the
shots.
>
> It has always been true that, when the commander-in-chief rings the war
> bell, many Americans start drooling. We depend on the personal honor of
our
> leader not to abuse this Pavlovian power. If the occupant of the White
House
> has no honor, then the lone superpower is vulnerable to fits of
megalomania.
> The same ignorant philosophy that insisted, "What's Good For General
Motors
> Is Good For America" now gives us, "What's Good For America Is Good For
The
> World." The world isn't so sure, so it's time to lock and load.
>
> The war against terrorism is a worthy one; a good first step would be to
get
> a competent commander-in-chief who prioritizes increasing national
security
> over increasing the oil depreciation allowance. In any case, our greatest
> struggle is not with dictators or terrorists; it is an internal battle.
Will
> we embrace the principles we constantly claim to cherish, or succumb to
the
> base instincts that are so easily manipulated by demagogues?
>
> Ultimately, the American people will decide whether war is better than
peace
> and conformity is better than freedom. Bush can insist on creating Pax
> Americana, but he has not consolidated enough power - yet - to act in
> defiance of an aroused public. If the people of this country do not yearn
> for a world that exists only to increase the profits of oil companies and
> defense contractors, then we must take a stand. If we do not want to live
in
> a nation where opposing perpetual war is an act of sedition, then we must
> register that view at the ballot box.
>
> The crucial yet unspoken issue in the upcoming election is whether
Manifest
> Destiny and McCarthyism were disasters that are best left to the dustbin
of
> history, or whether they are blueprints for governing the United States in
> the twenty-first century. The Republicans have embraced Bush's
determination
> to build an empire in the name of all that is holy, while disdaining
> Benjamin Franklin's admonition against trading essential liberty for
> temporary safety. The Democrats have shown no inclination to rule the
world,
> and this alone is enough to make them virtuous by comparison.
>
> The events of the past two years have clearly proven that, in contemporary
> politics, the lesser of two evils is significantly less evil. There is
> definitely more than a dime's worth of difference between the two major
> political parties: one of them wants the government of the United States
to
> forcefully eradicate dissent wherever it exists, and the other doesn't.
>
> On Election Day, Americans should reject the return of expansionism abroad
> and repression at home by voting for the congressional candidates of the
> Democratic Party.
>
> More David Podvin
>
> Podvin, the Series
>
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