RE: [biofuel] Capstone Turbine generator
Here in my state we can have alternative power providers. One potential is to provide a Renewable Power Option. This has atleast one benefit, in that you can charge different rates for you power than the local Power Company. So even if it is slightly higher at first, you would be able to charge more for your power. Might be able to swing people over that dont have the time or expertise to do their own work, but might pay another penny per kWHr. Obviously, this has to be within reason.. not many will pay double,etc, even if it is green. The fact that you might get tax incentives for starting this up would help costs. How many KWhr would you get per Gallon of avg VO /Biodiesel with this system? Message: 6 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:05:31 -0800 (PST) From: James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: capstone turbine generator Combined heat and power. There is a rebate on any generating device using alternative fuels, something like $2Kw up to a certain limit. I have the info somewhere. There are rebates on PV, Wind, alternative fuels, and hydro. Lemme look further. BTW, this is only for businesses. James Slayden Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
In a message dated 14/01/03 22:56:35 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's CHP? Combined Heat and Power, some plants are now 92% themally efficient supplying power, hot water, hot air etc Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
This looks rather nice, but since that is about 6 feet tall, it certainly won't fit in my CRX. On this item, what is the approximate cost, in qty of 1 or 2? Does anyone know the efficiency of this beast? It looks like it can run on compression-ignition fuels.diesel, biodiesel,VO. One could conceivably run power off this and reclaim waste heat to heat water or for house heating for increased efficiency to 100%. How about the emissions? It might be overkill for one house, but for a small group of remote houses, or for off grid... Message: 3 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:55:51 -0800 (PST) From: James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: diesel gen might want to take a look at Capstone: http://www.microturbine.com/ James Slayden On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Crabb, David wrote: Hello., I would like to stop pumping petroleum into one of my cars. I am looking forward to trying to convert a crx to run on hybrid powertrain. I would like to run a diesel generator, inline with a clutch, then a dual shaft electric motor, then into the transmission. Are there any companies product range that would include generators that run in the same direction as the Honda motors? Naturally, I would like to run biodiesel, then SVO, as i have plenty of available wattage to heat the inital small tank of oil. thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
Todd, What's CHP? And - does anyone know if these would qualify for California's rebates (that are in place for PV systems - up to 50% of cost is rebated.) Craig Appal Energy wrote: Rumour has it ~$30,000 per unit. They can be set up for CHP. Waste exhaust is monoxide free enough to feed CO2 for a greenhouse. -- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
Rumour has it ~$30,000 per unit. They can be set up for CHP. Waste exhaust is monoxide free enough to feed CO2 for a greenhouse. - Original Message - From: Crabb, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator This looks rather nice, but since that is about 6 feet tall, it certainly won't fit in my CRX. On this item, what is the approximate cost, in qty of 1 or 2? Does anyone know the efficiency of this beast? It looks like it can run on compression-ignition fuels.diesel, biodiesel,VO. One could conceivably run power off this and reclaim waste heat to heat water or for house heating for increased efficiency to 100%. How about the emissions? It might be overkill for one house, but for a small group of remote houses, or for off grid... Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
James, Another question - the Capstone will run on diesel, which means it *should* run on bioD, and maybe on WVO/SVO if the fuel were heated and subjected to the usual SVO bag o' tricks - but will California give a rebate for alternative fuels when they might recognize that some folks might just claim to be using bioD to get the rebate - then run the thing on dinodiesel? Craig James Slayden wrote: Combined heat and power. There is a rebate on any generating device using alternative fuels, something like $2Kw up to a certain limit. I have the info somewhere. There are rebates on PV, Wind, alternative fuels, and hydro. Lemme look further. BTW, this is only for businesses. James Slayden On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, craig reece wrote: Todd, What's CHP? And - does anyone know if these would qualify for California's rebates (that are in place for PV systems - up to 50% of cost is rebated.) Craig Appal Energy wrote: Rumour has it ~$30,000 per unit. They can be set up for CHP. Waste exhaust is monoxide free enough to feed CO2 for a greenhouse. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT HGTV Dream Home Giveaway Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [HGTV Dream Home Giveaway] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
Combined heat and power. There is a rebate on any generating device using alternative fuels, something like $2Kw up to a certain limit. I have the info somewhere. There are rebates on PV, Wind, alternative fuels, and hydro. Lemme look further. BTW, this is only for businesses. James Slayden On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, craig reece wrote: Todd, What's CHP? And - does anyone know if these would qualify for California's rebates (that are in place for PV systems - up to 50% of cost is rebated.) Craig Appal Energy wrote: Rumour has it ~$30,000 per unit. They can be set up for CHP. Waste exhaust is monoxide free enough to feed CO2 for a greenhouse. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT HGTV Dream Home Giveaway Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
James, Thanks a bunch - I'll check it out. I have a client who's thinking of installing a diesel genset -which I'd convert to run on WVO, it says here - for his tile warehouse and offices - but if the Capstone turbine would run on bioD or WVO *and* get the State of California rebates, that would be preferable. Hey, and maybe they'll give the rebate even if they think you're going to run it on dinodiesel - if the emissions are so clean. If I find out anything, I'll let the group know. Craig James Slayden wrote: I would assume that to get the credit the setup would have to be verified by the appropiate athorities. Here is some info on the wind and PV credits (last year I believe): http://www.taosgreensolar.com/california_page.htm Wow, I didn't realize that the rebate for PV/Wind/Hydro is $4.50 per watt!! that is quite good. Ah, I found the direct link: http://www.energy.ca.gov/renewables/ This is the 2003 guidebook which is under revision. ttp://www.energy.ca.gov/renewables/documents/2002-12-03_DRAFT_EMERGING.PDF I person I talked to (i called :) I *heart* 1-800 numbers!!) said that the funds are on hold at present and there is a 30 day wait period for both the final guidebook revision and applications to start. The Kw has gone up in various catagories so that businesses can have up to ~100Kw systems installed. Renewable fuels are most likely to be $2.50/Kw credit. Hope that helps, James Slayden Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
I would assume that to get the credit the setup would have to be verified by the appropiate athorities. Here is some info on the wind and PV credits (last year I believe): http://www.taosgreensolar.com/california_page.htm Wow, I didn't realize that the rebate for PV/Wind/Hydro is $4.50 per watt!! that is quite good. Ah, I found the direct link: http://www.energy.ca.gov/renewables/ This is the 2003 guidebook which is under revision. http://www.energy.ca.gov/renewables/documents/2002-12-03_DRAFT_EMERGING.PDF I person I talked to (i called :) I *heart* 1-800 numbers!!) said that the funds are on hold at present and there is a 30 day wait period for both the final guidebook revision and applications to start. The Kw has gone up in various catagories so that businesses can have up to ~100Kw systems installed. Renewable fuels are most likely to be $2.50/Kw credit. Hope that helps, James Slayden On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, craig reece wrote: James, Another question - the Capstone will run on diesel, which means it *should* run on bioD, and maybe on WVO/SVO if the fuel were heated and subjected to the usual SVO bag o' tricks - but will California give a rebate for alternative fuels when they might recognize that some folks might just claim to be using bioD to get the rebate - then run the thing on dinodiesel? Craig James Slayden wrote: Combined heat and power. There is a rebate on any generating device using alternative fuels, something like $2Kw up to a certain limit. I have the info somewhere. There are rebates on PV, Wind, alternative fuels, and hydro. Lemme look further. BTW, this is only for businesses. James Slayden On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, craig reece wrote: Todd, What's CHP? And - does anyone know if these would qualify for California's rebates (that are in place for PV systems - up to 50% of cost is rebated.) Craig Appal Energy wrote: Rumour has it ~$30,000 per unit. They can be set up for CHP. Waste exhaust is monoxide free enough to feed CO2 for a greenhouse. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT HGTV Dream Home Giveaway Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [HGTV Dream Home Giveaway] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT HGTV Dream Home Giveaway Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
David, check this link out: http://www.microturbine.com/applications/hybrid.asp They have the emissions data there. It looks like it has a 70% reduction in emissions, added with biodiesel that would be another 70-90% for B100 of the left over 30, so let's say maybe a PZEV for the application that it serves. How CA classifies PZEV's I think is based on application; ie. larger applications (busses, heavy equipment, etc.) would get a larger allowance for emissions. Has anyone read the PZEV guidelines and can clarify? BTW, the Capstone Microturbine alone is rated a ULEV propulsion system by the CARB. James Slayden On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Crabb, David wrote: This looks rather nice, but since that is about 6 feet tall, it certainly won't fit in my CRX. On this item, what is the approximate cost, in qty of 1 or 2? Does anyone know the efficiency of this beast? It looks like it can run on compression-ignition fuels.diesel, biodiesel,VO. One could conceivably run power off this and reclaim waste heat to heat water or for house heating for increased efficiency to 100%. How about the emissions? It might be overkill for one house, but for a small group of remote houses, or for off grid... Message: 3 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:55:51 -0800 (PST) From: James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: diesel gen might want to take a look at Capstone: http://www.microturbine.com/ James Slayden On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Crabb, David wrote: Hello., I would like to stop pumping petroleum into one of my cars. I am looking forward to trying to convert a crx to run on hybrid powertrain. I would like to run a diesel generator, inline with a clutch, then a dual shaft electric motor, then into the transmission. Are there any companies product range that would include generators that run in the same direction as the Honda motors? Naturally, I would like to run biodiesel, then SVO, as i have plenty of available wattage to heat the inital small tank of oil. thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
CHP - Continual Heat Power. Power from direct drive or steam generation. Secondary heat from waste exhaust or spent steam heat exchange and recovery. They probably qualify for a rebate somewhere if you're using landfill gas or biomass (producer gases) or biodiesel as the fuel sources. Multiple models available to run on any feedstock imaginable, fossil fuel or bio. Still a small company spread a bit too thin on human resources and they don't get back to small frys very well, if at all. But they're going places and will be a micro/modular power generation standard in 5 years or less. They are already something of that now, albeit in a small circle. - Original Message - From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator Todd, What's CHP? And - does anyone know if these would qualify for California's rebates (that are in place for PV systems - up to 50% of cost is rebated.) Craig Appal Energy wrote: Rumour has it ~$30,000 per unit. They can be set up for CHP. Waste exhaust is monoxide free enough to feed CO2 for a greenhouse. -- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
California have reservations? Sure. Receipts or production records should be convincing enough should they care to do an audit. And yes. I believe they can tune a model for waste crankcase oil, which would mean they can tune one for veg oil. I did get an upturned eyebrow when I requested info on multi-feedstock capability, inclusive of natural gas, producer gas, SVO and biodiesel. Took a month for them to even acknowledge the inquiry. Then I never got the information requested. Todd - Original Message - From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator James, Another question - the Capstone will run on diesel, which means it *should* run on bioD, and maybe on WVO/SVO if the fuel were heated and subjected to the usual SVO bag o' tricks - but will California give a rebate for alternative fuels when they might recognize that some folks might just claim to be using bioD to get the rebate - then run the thing on dinodiesel? Craig James Slayden wrote: Combined heat and power. There is a rebate on any generating device using alternative fuels, something like $2Kw up to a certain limit. I have the info somewhere. There are rebates on PV, Wind, alternative fuels, and hydro. Lemme look further. BTW, this is only for businesses. James Slayden On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, craig reece wrote: Todd, What's CHP? And - does anyone know if these would qualify for California's rebates (that are in place for PV systems - up to 50% of cost is rebated.) Craig Appal Energy wrote: Rumour has it ~$30,000 per unit. They can be set up for CHP. Waste exhaust is monoxide free enough to feed CO2 for a greenhouse. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT HGTV Dream Home Giveaway Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [HGTV Dream Home Giveaway] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
Wow, I didn't realize that the rebate for PV/Wind/Hydro is $4.50 per watt!! that is quite good. Was as high as $5.00/kW in the oulying areas of the Bay last year about this time. Had a lot of pro-nukers shooting it down as overly subsidized and laying false claims that the various utilities and state agencies were actually losing money in comparison to the public monies saved in the long run. The conversation usually happens to swing that way, no matter how the numbers crunch and prove them wrong. They tend to forget that their entire industry was built on the backs of taxpayer funded subsidization of one sort or another and is still highly subsidized in multiple venues, inclusive of fuel life cycles, disposal, security, emergency preparedness, insurance caps, and a few dozen other areas that will inevitably denied in a dinner conversation. Todd Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
Thanks, Todd. Craig Appal Energy wrote: CHP - Continual Heat Power. Power from direct drive or steam generation. Secondary heat from waste exhaust or spent steam heat exchange and recovery. They probably qualify for a rebate somewhere if you're using landfill gas or biomass (producer gases) or biodiesel as the fuel sources. Multiple models available to run on any feedstock imaginable, fossil fuel or bio. Still a small company spread a bit too thin on human resources and they don't get back to small frys very well, if at all. But they're going places and will be a micro/modular power generation standard in 5 years or less. They are already something of that now, albeit in a small circle. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
