Re: [biofuels-biz] Hrmm, why can't we have this in the US??
Well...you asked the 64 million dollar question. And it can be answered briefly with but one other question (whose answer gets gargantuan in its ripples). How would capital (and power) be reappropriated (shift) if energy consumption was decreased drastically? Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Hrmm, why can't we have this in the US?? Here is something interesting from Detroit! GM's Opel brand brought a turbo diesel approach to fuel efficiency in an aggressive sports car called the Eco-Speedster, which again features a carbon-fiber body. The 112-hp two-seater concept car achieves 94 mpg and can reach a top speed of 155 mph. And we wonder why we can't have this back in the US?! Then again. it is only a concept car. :( Prolly is BD certified also Full link: http://www.afdc.doe.gov/whatsnew.shtml James S. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Share the magic of Harry Potter with Yahoo! Messenger http://us.click.yahoo.com/4Q_cgB/JmBFAA/46VHAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Hrmm, why can't we have this in the US??
Hi Todd Well...you asked the 64 million dollar question. And the rest! And it can be answered briefly with but one other question (whose answer gets gargantuan in its ripples). How would capital (and power) be reappropriated (shift) if energy consumption was decreased drastically? Down and out, or rather downwards and outwards - couldn't have that now could we? :-) It's going to happen anyway though. Maybe all the massive transfers and sweetie deals of the last couple of years are an acknowledgement of that, a final pay-off so they can all live happily ever after in the manner to which they are accustomed. And I'm sure there must be other plans as to the direction of the reappropriation. Big Ethanol, Big Soy. Big Sun, Big Wind, LOL! I get the idea that now's the time - if you don't localize energy supply now you never will, and anything short of that just isn't acceptable. Meanwhile... http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/18607/story.htm Shell sees technology breathing new life into oil Well, I've always rather thought that. Hubbert's Peak and allegedly dwindling supplies isn't the point anyway, sustainability is, and decentralization. Keith Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Hrmm, why can't we have this in the US?? Here is something interesting from Detroit! GM's Opel brand brought a turbo diesel approach to fuel efficiency in an aggressive sports car called the Eco-Speedster, which again features a carbon-fiber body. The 112-hp two-seater concept car achieves 94 mpg and can reach a top speed of 155 mph. And we wonder why we can't have this back in the US?! Then again. it is only a concept car. :( Prolly is BD certified also Full link: http://www.afdc.doe.gov/whatsnew.shtml James S. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Share the magic of Harry Potter with Yahoo! Messenger http://us.click.yahoo.com/4Q_cgB/JmBFAA/46VHAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Hrmm, why can't we have this in the US??
Here is something interesting from Detroit! GM's Opel brand brought a turbo diesel approach to fuel efficiency in an aggressive sports car called the Eco-Speedster, which again features a carbon-fiber body. The 112-hp two-seater concept car achieves 94 mpg and can reach a top speed of 155 mph. And we wonder why we can't have this back in the US?! Then again. it is only a concept car. :( Prolly is BD certified also Full link: http://www.afdc.doe.gov/whatsnew.shtml Maybe not only a concept car James. They call it a prototype here, as well as a concept car: The world premiere of this spectacular prototype marks the start of the biggest diesel campaign in Opel's history. By the end of 2003 the company will introduce four all-new common rail diesel engines across the range, with power outputs of up to 130 kW (177 hp). http://www.autointell.com/News-2002/October-2002/October-2002-1/Octobe r-02-02-p5.htm The Opel Eco-Speedster: Sports car prototype as a bold stroke to launch Opel's diesel campaign This one does mention Detroit, sort of: More than that, it's intended to flag up the start of a major diesel offensive. Between now and the end of next year, Vauxhall will launch four all-new diesel engines with power outputs up to 177bhp. Much better late than never, because outsiders have never been able to understand (other than suggesting dull-witted thinking in Detroit) why GM's European divisions were allowed to let the opposition waltz away into common rail turbo diesel technology without following suit. Now, of course, Fiat is involved as well. GM's Italian associate was already in possession of the JTD technology which transferred so well, not only to its own-badge cars, but also to Alfa Romeo sports saloons which didn't seem to lose any of their appeal when fuelled by diesel rather than petrol. http://www.carkeys.co.uk/features/FE000450.htm Eco-Speedster Stresses Both From the Paris Motor Show. I put it on our Do diesels have a future? page a couple of weeks ago. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_future.html Prolly is BD-certified, yes, or will be. Or should be. On the other hand, have you seen this? It's An ENIGMA, EV World, March 3, 2002 -- Who said you can't build a parallel hybrid with 20 miles ZEV range? Not the team at San Diego State University. A remarkable story of ingenuity, vision and determination that lead to the creation of San Diego State University's 80 mpg Enigma diesel-electric hybrid sports car, running on biodiesel. http://evworld.com/databases/storybuilder.cfm?storyid=312 Best Keith James S. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Share the magic of Harry Potter with Yahoo! Messenger http://us.click.yahoo.com/4Q_cgB/JmBFAA/46VHAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
