[biofuel] Sorry!!
Whoops - didn't mean to send that story here. Slip of the finger. We fear our ex-neighbours in Hong Kong, a large herd of wild water buffalo, are going to be destroyed for no good reason. Apologies. http://enn.com/news/wire-stories/2002/01/01292002/ap_cows_46254.asp - 1/29/2002 - ENN.com Hong Kong bumps up against proliferating wild cows Tuesday, January 29, 2002 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Meanwhile, in Nigeria...
ETS! Vol. 6 No. 12 30 Jan 2002 ONE PLANET Meanwhile, in Nigeria... On Wednesday, January 16, a general strike shut down the nation of Nigeria. The Western press was busy elsewhere, reporting on the billions of dollars Western nations had pledged to rebuild Afghanistan, so they missed another event in the gradual disintegration of the most populous and resource-rich nation in Africa. The strike, called by the Nigerian Labor Congress, was over IMF-mandated fuel price hikes. Fuel in Nigeria is cheap, and fuel subsidies are about the only reliable service the Nigerian people receive from their government. It's not surprising that they want to defend the subsidies, since they provides income for people who would otherwise starve. In a nation where the average income is $300 per year, many Nigerians survive by buying up fuel and carrying it across the border to sell in other countries for a profit. Nigeria, the world's seventh largest oil exporter, should have the wealthiest, most educated population in Africa, but that's not the case. It has two enormous problems. It owes $30 billion to the Paris Club of creditor nations; its annual debt service is $3.6 billion--nearly half of its annual budget. In addition, decades of military rule have produced an entrenched kleptocracy at all levels of government, from the generals at the top of the pyramid down to the civil servants in the villages. At least half of Nigeria's current debt load represents money stolen by former dictators and their cronies. The Nigerian people have done without things the rest of the world takes for granted, even in some of the poorest nations in Africa. A population of 123 million people must survive on a limited amount of land, which means people migrate to cities in search of opportunities. In cities, unemployment is high while education is nonexistent, and this has produced a huge underclass of unemployed, urban youth. In the villages, the central government is largely absent. Contracts for building roads, supplying electricity and water, and building schools and hospitals are awarded by political patronage and favoritism; one village may have running water, while its neighbors must do without. These economic differences add fuel to ethnic and cultural differences, sparking religious and ethnic riots and killings. Nigeria has at least 250 different ethnic and language groups. In the absence of government social programs, it's the ethnic and cultural groups that provide services to needy people--when they can. Many regions are so impoverished that even ethnic ties can provide no resources for them; instead, such ties become an excuse to get together and raid or burn a neighboring village. In the Niger Delta, where most of the nation's oil extraction occurs, environmental devastation has removed huge swaths of land from farming and food production. Five multinational oil companies have provided some Delta communities with electricity, hospitals, schools, and decent drinking water. But the vast majority of Delta villages must do without, and this has led to massive protests and sabotage of oil pipelines and infrastructure. The one service Nigerians can rely on, however, is persecution by the military, whose human rights record is appalling. In October, for example, military units moved in to quell ethnic violence in the central states of Benue and Taraba. When they were through, three towns had been completely destroyed and hundreds of unarmed civilians lined up and shot. President Olusegan Obasanjo has not pursued the perpetrators, but instead excused them, saying that the military had acted in self-defense. Obasanjo himself has become a problematic figure. He was elected in May of 1999 in Nigeria's first elections in 16 years. Self-described as anti-corruption, Obasanjo has purged some former military personnel and higher-level figures from his government and set up anti-corruption boards in each government branch. He asked western banks to freeze the offshore accounts of former dictator Sani Abacha, and he's trying to recover stolen funds. Obasanjo formed a human rights panel to investigate military abuses during the previous dictatorship period, basing it on South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission. He is popular with the West, having restored Nigeria's status with the World Bank and IMF, and he routinely visits the White House and accepts Western diplomatic visitors. But Obasanjo himself is a former military dictator, having ruled the country in the late 1970s, a period of rampant human rights violations. He neglected to change a 1966 military decree which has prevented the human rights panel from summoning former military rulers to testify, so Ibrahim Babangida and Abdulsalam Abubakar will go unpunished. In fact, Babangida, whose wealth came directly from the Nigerian treasury, is expected to run against Obasanjo in the 2003 presidential
Re: [biofuel] Re: Processing animal fats
- Original Message - From: awaideau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul, We are currently using the quantities suggested. Despite weeks of settling and boiling, we get what appears to be large quantities of soap at room temp, althoug with a small amount of heating ( to about 40-50 degrees C ) this soap appears to melt. Because of this I am not sure if it is soap or unprocessed fat. There is almost no trace of glycerine in the bottom, and only about 5% of the total volume in liquid biodiesel on top. This morning I tried to 'wash' a sample and when water was added the mixture became thick and white, probably the soap. Allen it sounds as though the reaction is incomplete. Animal fat can be tricky. i suspect that it doesn't obey the titration rule. Try retreating the batch with a 8gNaOH/50ml methanol per litre brew of methoxide, could take a while to dissolve the NaOH, may have to use more methanol. If this works up the NaOH level in subsequent batches. Used 16.7g of NaOH per litre to successfully process beef tallow. Figures seem ridiculously high but processed well. Regards, Paul Gobert. www.ozimages.com.au/profile.asp/MemberID=517 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] VW guarantees for biodiesel in the US
From a letter from the US: I'm in the midst of acquiring a VW Beetle turbodiesel, but was disappointed to learn that VW won't honor the warranty if biodiesel is used, altho' Germany does. The issue is that Germany uses rapeseed-based fuel, and most of the supplied biodiesel here is made with soybean oil. Clash of standards - the issue wouldn't be, would it, that Europe's biodiesel standards have some specs that include rapeseed oil but exclude soybean oil, for no apparent reason, other than that perhaps Europe has a huge surplus of rapeseed oil, just as the US has a huge surplus of soybean oil? Surely the only valid issue is to promote maximum use of renewable, carbon-neutral biofuels. Or am I being naive? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] biodiesel taxes in spain
Hola Manolo: Estoy interesada enla informacin que brindas aqu acerca de los impuestos del biodiesel. Gracias, Claudia M. - Original Message - From: manolorolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 4:01 AM Subject: [biofuel] biodiesel taxes in spain some days ago i have received an answer to a question i made to the ministerio de economia from the spanish goverment about the taxes concerning biodiesel. there are 3 pages of text, i have it on spanish and is a little difficult to traslate, if there is someone interested i could mail it, if someone is very very very very interested i could try to translate it cheers Manolo Roln Valencia, Spain Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Processing animal fats
I am trying to locate a site on the web where I can find out the history and weekly wholesale prices of ethanol and E-85. Do you know of such a site? If so, please E-mail it to me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the help. Joe T. - Original Message - From: Paul Gobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:32 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Processing animal fats - Original Message - From: awaideau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul, We are currently using the quantities suggested. Despite weeks of settling and boiling, we get what appears to be large quantities of soap at room temp, althoug with a small amount of heating ( to about 40-50 degrees C ) this soap appears to melt. Because of this I am not sure if it is soap or unprocessed fat. There is almost no trace of glycerine in the bottom, and only about 5% of the total volume in liquid biodiesel on top. This morning I tried to 'wash' a sample and when water was added the mixture became thick and white, probably the soap. Allen it sounds as though the reaction is incomplete. Animal fat can be tricky. i suspect that it doesn't obey the titration rule. Try retreating the batch with a 8gNaOH/50ml methanol per litre brew of methoxide, could take a while to dissolve the NaOH, may have to use more methanol. If this works up the NaOH level in subsequent batches. Used 16.7g of NaOH per litre to successfully process beef tallow. Figures seem ridiculously high but processed well. Regards, Paul Gobert. www.ozimages.com.au/profile.asp/MemberID=517 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Processing animal fats
Please, I will like to receive that information as well. Thanks. Juan -Mensaje original- De: Joe Trotter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Jueves, 31 de Enero de 2002 11:41 Para: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Asunto: Re: [biofuel] Re: Processing animal fats I am trying to locate a site on the web where I can find out the history and weekly wholesale prices of ethanol and E-85. Do you know of such a site? If so, please E-mail it to me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the help. Joe T. - Original Message - From: Paul Gobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:32 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Processing animal fats - Original Message - From: awaideau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul, We are currently using the quantities suggested. Despite weeks of settling and boiling, we get what appears to be large quantities of soap at room temp, althoug with a small amount of heating ( to about 40-50 degrees C ) this soap appears to melt. Because of this I am not sure if it is soap or unprocessed fat. There is almost no trace of glycerine in the bottom, and only about 5% of the total volume in liquid biodiesel on top. This morning I tried to 'wash' a sample and when water was added the mixture became thick and white, probably the soap. Allen it sounds as though the reaction is incomplete. Animal fat can be tricky. i suspect that it doesn't obey the titration rule. Try retreating the batch with a 8gNaOH/50ml methanol per litre brew of methoxide, could take a while to dissolve the NaOH, may have to use more methanol. If this works up the NaOH level in subsequent batches. Used 16.7g of NaOH per litre to successfully process beef tallow. Figures seem ridiculously high but processed well. Regards, Paul Gobert. www.ozimages.com.au/profile.asp/MemberID=517 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: VW guarantees for biodiesel in the US
How would VW know if you ran BD in your bug? As soon as you had any trouble couldn't you switch back to DD and run that for a tank or two until you took it to the dealer. Jack --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a letter from the US: I'm in the midst of acquiring a VW Beetle turbodiesel, but was disappointed to learn that VW won't honor the warranty if biodiesel is used, altho' Germany does. The issue is that Germany uses rapeseed-based fuel, and most of the supplied biodiesel here is made with soybean oil. Clash of standards - the issue wouldn't be, would it, that Europe's biodiesel standards have some specs that include rapeseed oil but exclude soybean oil, for no apparent reason, other than that perhaps Europe has a huge surplus of rapeseed oil, just as the US has a huge surplus of soybean oil? Surely the only valid issue is to promote maximum use of renewable, carbon-neutral biofuels. Or am I being naive? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] VW guarantees for biodiesel in the US
Canola, (Canadian Oil), is made from rapeseed and is very common in the US. Most, if not all, of the resturants I get my waste oil from use Canola. They (Canola) have a good website http://www.canola-council.org/ Thanks, Ed Hall SSC SD 619-553-3528 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:17 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] VW guarantees for biodiesel in the US From a letter from the US: I'm in the midst of acquiring a VW Beetle turbodiesel, but was disappointed to learn that VW won't honor the warranty if biodiesel is used, altho' Germany does. The issue is that Germany uses rapeseed-based fuel, and most of the supplied biodiesel here is made with soybean oil. Clash of standards - the issue wouldn't be, would it, that Europe's biodiesel standards have some specs that include rapeseed oil but exclude soybean oil, for no apparent reason, other than that perhaps Europe has a huge surplus of rapeseed oil, just as the US has a huge surplus of soybean oil? Surely the only valid issue is to promote maximum use of renewable, carbon-neutral biofuels. Or am I being naive? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: VW guarantees for biodiesel in the US
I would still not tell the US dealer that you were running Canola BD if I had any trouble. Let the dealers mechanics figure it out. They won't if you run DD for a tank or two before you bring it in...By the way this advise comes from experience! Jack --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hall, Edward C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Canola, (Canadian Oil), is made from rapeseed and is very common in the US. Most, if not all, of the resturants I get my waste oil from use Canola. They (Canola) have a good website http://www.canola-council.org/ Thanks, Ed Hall SSC SD 619-553-3528 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] VW guarantees for biodiesel in the US From a letter from the US: I'm in the midst of acquiring a VW Beetle turbodiesel, but was disappointed to learn that VW won't honor the warranty if biodiesel is used, altho' Germany does. The issue is that Germany uses rapeseed-based fuel, and most of the supplied biodiesel here is made with soybean oil. Clash of standards - the issue wouldn't be, would it, that Europe's biodiesel standards have some specs that include rapeseed oil but exclude soybean oil, for no apparent reason, other than that perhaps Europe has a huge surplus of rapeseed oil, just as the US has a huge surplus of soybean oil? Surely the only valid issue is to promote maximum use of renewable, carbon-neutral biofuels. Or am I being naive? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel]
I have been informed that technically, running biodiesel in you car without paying road tax is illegal. Any information . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] DE-GUMMING
I have recently been informed by a farmer about a water process to remove the gum from Soy Oil and then add a small fuel additive which helps it burn consistently with petro-diesel. Has anyone heard of this? Secondly, I read Kieth that you are thinking of trying some Methanol reclaimation from Biodiesel. Any ideas? Any progress? Thanks . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] ethanol fuel
Hi, Flashyrider About converting your engine, I have never done it, but I can tell you what I have seen in some 4 stroke/4 cylinders 1.3 L to 2.0 L ethanol powered Brazilian cars with some special devices installed at factory a) They changes the compression ratio to about 1/15 by diminishing the volume on the upper head of the combustion chamber (so you get maximum efficiency from ethanol that withstand high compression ratios) b) The ethanol needs to over 30¡ C room temperature to have enough amount of evaporation in carburettor, so they should add a preheating device or use an automatic controlled starting mixture of high octane gasoline or that is turn off when the engine reaches its working temp. c) You might add after the carburettor a hot comb or fingers made of aluminium in contact with some part of the exhaust as a heat exchanger, and add to the air intake a metal hose or cover around the exhaust of the engine if you are living in some cold climate country. Best regards, Juan Boveda Paraguay. -- De: flashyrider [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Asunto: [biofuel] ethanol fuel Fecha: Sbado 12 de Enero de 2002 5:38 PM Hi, I'm a new member to this group and if anyone could answer my questions I would be very grateful.' 1. What is the best recipe for converting potatoes to ethanol. Specifically, I have a recipe that says to just boil the potatoes and use only the liquid for fermentation. Is that the best way, or should I mash up the potatoes and try to convert all the starch? 2. Does anyone have a good recipe for converting corn to ethanol? 3. I built a valved reflux still and I need to know what is the best packing to use in the column. Right now, I'm using glass marbles with a 1/2 diameter. I have heard of using Raschig rings. Are they more efficient? How about steel wool? 4. I would like to convert my 2 cycle lawnmower to run on ethanol fuel. Any suggestions on engine conversion? Thanx. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel]
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 13:53 Subject: [biofuel] I have been informed that technically, running biodiesel in you car without paying road tax is illegal. Any information . I doubt that this is true, because then all the people making alcohol for all these years for the cars they own, would be breaking the law, and some political hack or DA out to make a name for himself would have made such a stink about it, that no one would have tried to do it again. I believe that it is applied to comerical fuel only. For that matter most states don't even legaly reconise homemade fuel or if they do, it falls under expermentel catagory that is more likly tax exempt. Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] see you later!
Hi all Moving house today, from Tokyo to Osaka, chaos, widespread disorder, the usual nightmare... Good move though, apart from the moving! Anyway, I'll be out of it for a few days till we reconnect. Have fun, see you later. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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BAD MSG: This is a test from Martin Klingensmith of the archive system, the registrar of my domain [nnytech.net] decided to change my na eservers without asking me, I just got it fixed so I'm testing the mailing lists to see if I'm still subscribed thanks -Martin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list biofuel@yahoogroups.com; contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list biofuel@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] (unknown) Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:09:18 -0700 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: VW guarantees for biodiesel in the US
your engine would be too clean ;-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: turbodiesel_vw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: VW guarantees for biodiesel in the US How would VW know if you ran BD in your bug? As soon as you had any trouble couldn't you switch back to DD and run that for a tank or two until you took it to the dealer. Jack --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a letter from the US: I'm in the midst of acquiring a VW Beetle turbodiesel, but was disappointed to learn that VW won't honor the warranty if biodiesel is used, altho' Germany does. The issue is that Germany uses rapeseed-based fuel, and most of the supplied biodiesel here is made with soybean oil. Clash of standards - the issue wouldn't be, would it, that Europe's biodiesel standards have some specs that include rapeseed oil but exclude soybean oil, for no apparent reason, other than that perhaps Europe has a huge surplus of rapeseed oil, just as the US has a huge surplus of soybean oil? Surely the only valid issue is to promote maximum use of renewable, carbon-neutral biofuels. Or am I being naive? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] ethanol fuel
Hi, The process for production of ethanol from starchy material e.g. Corn, potato, cassava etc. is offered by an Indian Company. The details are available on www.praj.net Ajay Soni India Juan Boveda [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: r.com.pybiofuel@yahoogroups.com cc: 01/31/02 Subject: RE: [biofuel] 04:41 PM ethanol fuel Please respond to biofuel Hi, Flashyrider About converting your engine, I have never done it, but I can tell you what I have seen in some 4 stroke/4 cylinders 1.3 L to 2.0 L ethanol powered Brazilian cars with some special devices installed at factory a) They changes the compression ratio to about 1/15 by diminishing the volume on the upper head of the combustion chamber (so you get maximum efficiency from ethanol that withstand high compression ratios) b) The ethanol needs to over 30¡ C room temperature to have enough amount of evaporation in carburettor, so they should add a preheating device or use an automatic controlled starting mixture of high octane gasoline or that is turn off when the engine reaches its working temp. c) You might add after the carburettor a hot comb or fingers made of aluminium in contact with some part of the exhaust as a heat exchanger, and add to the air intake a metal hose or cover around the exhaust of the engine if you are living in some cold climate country. Best regards, Juan Boveda Paraguay. -- De: flashyrider [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Asunto: [biofuel] ethanol fuel Fecha: Sbado 12 de Enero de 2002 5:38 PM Hi, I'm a new member to this group and if anyone could answer my questions I would be very grateful.' 1. What is the best recipe for converting potatoes to ethanol. Specifically, I have a recipe that says to just boil the potatoes and use only the liquid for fermentation. Is that the best way, or should I mash up the potatoes and try to convert all the starch? 2. Does anyone have a good recipe for converting corn to ethanol? 3. I built a valved reflux still and I need to know what is the best packing to use in the column. Right now, I'm using glass marbles with a 1/2 diameter. I have heard of using Raschig rings. Are they more efficient? How about steel wool? 4. I would like to convert my 2 cycle lawnmower to run on ethanol fuel. Any suggestions on engine conversion? Thanx. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] pollution
this is not a promising thought. http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=9546 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] pollution
I wish that they would make up there minds, not enough ozone or to much. Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 21:19 Subject: [biofuel] pollution this is not a promising thought. http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=9546 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] pollution
Last year's news. Thoroughly debunked. Forget it. Olsson's own university issued a retraction on this little gem of story. Maybe it'll go away some day. Basically: - the burner they used does not represent the reality of combustion in a diesel engine. - the baseline diesel fuel was Swedish city diesel, a specialty product available only in Sweden, and probably the cleanest burning diesel fuel in the world - hardly the stuff most countries are using. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:40:42 -0700 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] pollution I wish that they would make up there minds, not enough ozone or to much. Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 21:19 Subject: [biofuel] pollution this is not a promising thought. http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=9546 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: VW guarantees for biodiesel in the US
Good one, Steve. Have to run it on used crankcase oil first. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:25:54 -0500 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: VW guarantees for biodiesel in the US your engine would be too clean ;-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: turbodiesel_vw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: VW guarantees for biodiesel in the US How would VW know if you ran BD in your bug? As soon as you had any trouble couldn't you switch back to DD and run that for a tank or two until you took it to the dealer. Jack --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a letter from the US: I'm in the midst of acquiring a VW Beetle turbodiesel, but was disappointed to learn that VW won't honor the warranty if biodiesel is used, altho' Germany does. The issue is that Germany uses rapeseed-based fuel, and most of the supplied biodiesel here is made with soybean oil. Clash of standards - the issue wouldn't be, would it, that Europe's biodiesel standards have some specs that include rapeseed oil but exclude soybean oil, for no apparent reason, other than that perhaps Europe has a huge surplus of rapeseed oil, just as the US has a huge surplus of soybean oil? Surely the only valid issue is to promote maximum use of renewable, carbon-neutral biofuels. Or am I being naive? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
