[Biofuel] M/H PH and oil
Anybody know the PH of MethalHydroxside? [SP? And is there a list of places to get [new] oil like the list of where to get Methanol? I am in S, Colorado and I am looking for 5000 gal a year for me and a million gal a year for a client I am trying to sell on bio juice. Ron ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang
I too am interested in hearing about it. And I would like to here what the recruiters did to you that was so bad. Greg Harbican wrote: Todd, could you elaborate on deceptive, predatory and intimidating ? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 09:31 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang Larry, Military recruitment/recruiters are as much a part of the problem as are the policy makers. All one has to do is look at the deceptive, predatory and intimidating practices of recruitment to gain insight as to the manipulative mentality that must be well guarded against in all ranks/levels of a theoretically free society. Until recruitment practices across the board are void of manipulation, they are as much fair game for protest as is anyone or any segment of any institution that also manipulates, preys upon and deceives a nation's citizenry. Let those who wish to serve enter into service under no illusions, not under fog of promise or incomplete and/or inaccurate premise(s). Todd Swearingen ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] M/H PH and oil
Aguilar. Exit 34 on I25. There is a rail head right here where tank cars can be unloaded. Greg Harbican wrote: What part of CO? I'm in Falcon. Greg - Original Message - From: ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 08:46 Subject: [Biofuel] M/H PH and oil Anybody know the PH of MethalHydroxside? [SP? And is there a list of places to get [new] oil like the list of where to get Methanol? I am in S, Colorado and I am looking for 5000 gal a year for me and a million gal a year for a client I am trying to sell on bio juice. Ron ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang
GO LARRY! Larry Foran wrote: Mike, I understand your position but I must still disagree with the method being employed to reach the goal. Todd, I must agressively disagree with your perception. As someone who has been there gone through the enlistment process and served for 21 years. I know what goes on inside. I agree that a military recruiter will paint as rosey a picture of service as possible, but no one has to volunteer. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to enlist/accept a commision. It is interesting the much of the activism against the Military is located at Institutions of Higher Learning were discourse and discussion is supposted to be applauded, but the military which defends those rights are not allowed to have free expression. I am sure that every job/position/employment you accepted was void of manipulation. The only difference would be that you could simply leave. To enter military service and then say, I dont want to go there! or I don't want to do that! is simply childish selfcenterdness (sp). Protest the Government, Protest its policies, Work through your elected officials, but protesting a member wearing a Military uniform is dishonorable and violates that individuals right to free speech. Larry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] -=additives=-
What in the world is in Boiler fuel additive? Mel Purdy wrote: Is anyone out there using anti-fungal additives (ie: Kill-um) to prevent rancid oil for settling and storing WVO? Also, my friend has been using 'Boiler fuel additive' that he gets for free in his SVO converted mercedes... thinks it's useful, says he notices it running better, but I was wondering if anyone else out there is using it for vehicle or home-heating use? Any ideas about the efficacy of these additives? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang
So what you are saying is, you have NO first hand experience. That you are content to spread second hand info spewed out by a blatantly biased anti military press. And bases on NO first hand info you are content to accept all the flotsam they give you and pass it along as if it were from the mouth of GOD. Does that about sum it up? Ron Appal Energy wrote: Ron, Why would you find it necessary to try and delve into personal exeriences when the public record and the dis-service to America is blatantly and patently apparent? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang
I can see this is going no where so I will leave it with one final bit of food for thought . If it were not for the US defense budget and over a million American lives, there would only be 2 languages spoken it all of Europe, German and Russian. And all of Asia would be speaking Japanese. Oh How soon they forget. Nuff said. Keith Addison wrote: Well, well... I'm aware this will probably chuck the cat in with the pigeons but I'm undeterred. It's not directed at anyone in particular. This discussion could only happen in America, while the rest of us (that is, most of us) look on bemused. An American list member who demands respect for his views on the basis of his military service will not get that respect from the majority of list members, and he ought to be aware of that. From some he might get the very opposite of respect. For me, it's simply not significant. It doesn't even mean he necessarily knows better, on the contrary, it could as easily mean he's incapable of seeing it straight. Where else in the world is military service placed on such a pedestal of pride? Where else is the military held in such high esteem? I don't wish to be insulting, but the only possibilities that come to mind are perhaps China, or North Korea, and maybe South Korea to an extent, because of North Korea - but at least they have a real enemy (and the last thing they want is to fight it out). Food for thought, no? One then has to ask, where else in the world does the military get such a grotesquely huge slice of the budget? (China? North Korea?) Especially of such a huge budget. And why? The Cold War ended 15 years ago. Grotesque? ... U.S. military spending, in billions of dollars per day: 1.08 Ratio of U.S. military spending to the combined military budgets of Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria: 26 to 1 Percentage of U.S. share of total global military spending in 1985: 31 Percentage of U.S. share of total global military spending in 2000: 36 Yes, grotesque. Is this something to be admired? Look at these figures: Debt relief for the 20 worst affected countries would cost between US $5.5 billion to $7.7 billion, less than the cost of ONE stealth bomber. Basic education for all would cost $6 billion a year; - $8 billion is spent annually for cosmetics in the United States alone. Installation of water and sanitation for all would cost $9 billion plus some annual costs; - $11 billion is spent annually on ice cream in Europe. Reproductive health services for all women would cost $12 billion a year; - $12 billion a year is spent on perfumes in Europe and the United States. Basic health care and nutrition would cost $13 billion; - $17 billion a year is spent on pet food in Europe and the United States. $35 billion is spent on business entertainment in Japan; $50 billion on cigarettes in Europe; $105 billion on alcoholic drinks in Europe; $400 billion on narcotic drugs around the world; and $780 billion on the world's militaries. -- From: Globalization Facts and Figures http://learningpartnership.org/facts/global.phtml It's not something to be admired. Yet Americans are so proud of it. A majority of Americans thinks the US spends 24% of its budget on foreign aid instead of the actual figure, less than 1% - and most of that is tied to direct US benefit. And then there's this: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article.htm $1 trillion missing : Military waste under fire 05/18/05 San Francisco Chronicle (Among other things, they LOST 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units.) Grotesque and bizarre. I'm not bashing the US, I'm not even trying to stop the discussion - please, go ahead, thrash it out, no problem. But please be aware of how peculiarly American it is. Pondering that a bit might add some perspective which might otherwise be lacking. A couple of other things to ponder. Vietnam vets, or some of them anyway, seem to have a rather different view of military service. I'm reminded of a previous discussion here involving Vietnam vets when one of them boasted about the Purple Heart he'd won. Have a look in the archives if you like. Why are benefits for soldiers' families being cut, and those for disabled soldiers too, IIRC, even as their numbers are soaring? Does the government they serve accord them the same respect their fellow Americans do? Are they perhaps just dispensable cannon-fodder, to be cashed in for a few votes or for the sake of a suspect ideology or perhaps for Haliburton's bottom line? Is all this respect perhaps making such things a lot easier than they should be? Is it misplaced? Is the military and military service a false sacred cow? How many US lawmakers have sons or daughters serving with the military in Iraq? One, wasn't it? Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] New List
I could use some design photos and diagrams. I am trying to set up a fuel plant that will make 1000 gal per day from saw dust. How about the grant? How does that work? Any input much needed. Thanks, ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi ron, I built a 10 inch stripper column in 1990 I then moved a 24 inch rectifier from a local oil refinary a ran for a while, selling my wet ethanol to a local ethanol plant for upgrading to anhydrous, but then we got a new govener who took away our state subsidies and my plant turned to scrapiron, at the time I was selling wet feed, and feeding 800 hogs, the stripper and condenser rusted away so I cut it up. now I am in the pickeled quail egg business and I need to startup my feed mill and install a pellet press so I can enlarge my quail operation. 30 gallons of ethanol makes 1000 pounds of complete feed when the distillers grains 33% of the ration, so they kinda go together, for now I will use my 1000 gallon pot still to produce 75 gallon per day, I am currently applying to USDA for a 49000 grant, to operate this plant, I will produce anhydrous by using anhydrous lime, then using the lime as the calcium supplement for my feed. I also am buliding a pervaporation system using PVA and chitosan sorry, its hard to keep it short, 27 years of research From: ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/05/28 Sat PM 02:57:28 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New List Me too Fred, How did you come with 30 gal/hr? I have done small time batch plants but yours is no batch plant. How do you do it? Is the Gov any help? Are there grants for bio diesel? So many questions and so little bandwidth!!! Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just letting everyone know I am still here, Still trying to complete my 30 gallon per hour farm anhydrous ethanol/ plant feed mill, I recently applied for the USDA/ DOE Grant, but there were 680 applications, I finally hired an engineer to put my package together. I have a very good 50 page plan, The seceret to making smallscale ethanol work is to produce a complete feed with the distillers grains. Thanks for being here. Fred ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] MIT Tech Review article on new biofuel process
http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/05/06/wo/wo_060705jaffe.asp?p=0 ACTUAL TEXT FOLLOWS: Eco-dreamers have long hoped for a way to drive around without contributing to global warming, but the slow pace of progress in alternative fuel technologies has kept that vision from materializing. Now, a promising new process, designed by researchers at the University of Wisconsin and outlined in a paper that appeared in the journal Science on June 2, could be a significant step toward turning that dream into a reality. The paper details a new way to produce biodiesel fuel, which is made out of plant matter. Traditional biodiesel refining uses only the fatty acids of a plant, which typically make up less than 10 percent of the mass of dried plants. Rather than converting only the fat, this new method promises to turn all of the dried plant material, including roots, stems, leaves, and fruit, into biodiesel or heat energy. Ethanol, the most popular and commercial biofuel, has long been refined out of plant matter, but it requires the costly, energy-intensive step of distilling every molecule of water out of the solution. In contrast, the new biodiesel process is based on aqueous phase reactions, which don't need to go through the expensive distillation phase. The biggest advance we have to offer is the lack of that distillation process, says George Huber, one of the paper's authors and a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin who will soon be teaching at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. That means that our process is exothermic. In other words, it doesn't need a lot of extra energy. And that's important, because the largest cost in the current biofuel refining process is energy. The new method is divided into four parts. First, a stream of processed biomass consisting of water and sugars is fed over a nickel-tin catalyst to strip off some of its hydrogen atoms. Then the stream is treated with acids that take out most of the water. The resulting goo is then transported over a solid base catalyst, which forms it into long carbon chains, called alkanes. Finally, those alkanes are run through a platinum-silica-alumina catalyst at high temperatures, while the hydrogen from the first step is fed into the reactor. The resulting liquid has almost the exact same chemical structure as traditionally refined biodiesel and burns the same way in diesel engines. And the only byproducts are water and heat. If the process can be scaled up to industrial levels, it could be a major step toward the creation of a transportation fuel that is relatively clean burning, doesn't contribute to global warming, and provides U.S. farmers with billions of dollars of new income. According to Bill Jones, Chairman of the Board of Pacific Ethanol, a leading biofuel company, the oil industry currently views the emerging bio-fuels industry with fear, rather than acceptance. But eventually they'll come around, he says. They'll understand that this isn't just competition, it's a whole new market for them to get into. He points out that the Brazilian petroleum industry also resisted government attempts to promote biofuels, but it is now a big supporter -- more than half of Brazil's oil imports have been replaced with biofuels (see the Technology Review April http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/05/04/issue/feature_gp_brazil.aspcover story on world-changing ideas). Others don't need to be convinced, though. Charles Wyman, a distinguished professor at Dartmouth College in Hanover NH, whose specialty is the biological conversion of cellulosic biomass to ethanol and other products, says this new methodology could give biodiesel a fighting chance to succeed in the commercial marketplace by allowing manufacturers to make either ethanol or biodiesel fuel. Once you break down all the sugars in the plant material, the only option we had before was to make ethanol, Wyman says. This presents more options. In the future, a single manufacturing center, after refining the biomass into sugars, could make biodiesel or ethanol, depending on market demand. However, Wyman also points out that the economic battle hasn't necessarily been won. In the end it's the price at the gas station where these technologies win or lose, not in the laboratory, he says. To insure that both biodiesel and ethanol become more competitive in the marketplace, Wyman says that a key breakthrough is needed to make diesel fuel or other products such as ethanol competitively from sugars. According to him, advances in this area could beat wholesale gasoline prices. And some believe that breakthrough is on the horizon. Advancements in the last two years in enzyme technology by the National Renewable Energy Laboratories and private companies such as Iogen and Novozymes have substantially reduced the costs of cellulose transformation, which is tantalizingly close to making the whole system
[Biofuel] Predictions as to crude oil prices, call for discussion
~$65 per barrel US by EOY 2005 IF this prediction holds, then ~$77 per barrel US by sometime in the range of Dec06 to March07. ...and it is never going back down to the ~$30-$40 range unless something very surprising happens. These predictions are based on models I've made which include the effects of the economic growth of China and the US-Iraq war. They do not include what the effect would be if a substantial percentage of the world's dino-diesel and gasoline use was replaced by biodiesel use, nor do I claim to have any understanding as to how high that percentage would have to be to significantly impact crude oil prices. The Biodiesel community should be galvanized by current oil price trends since, even without these predictions, biodiesel should be an economically viable competitor to gas and dino-diesel (Unless Dr Pimentel et. al. at Cornell are correct.). Yet I'm not seeing nearly the traffic on this list as I'd expect on serious efforts to gear up mass biodiesel production: A- Better crop choices, including breeding or genetically engineering for such B- Better production processes, both in terms of efficiency and safety C- Better _mass_ production processes, ditto D- Better engines, including ideas like biodiesel / electric hybrids. E- Better vehicles in general Not to mention conservation topics: F- Getting what's on the road to be cleaner and more efficient no matter what they use as fuel. G- Figuring out ways to reduce our use of oil, particularly foreign oil (using non local sources of energy is not as sustainable as using local ones.) and H- where are the biodiesel mass production start up companies? Why aren'y we hearing about more of them or more about the ones that do exist? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A Revolution in American Nuclear Policy
Like the psychopathic neighbor who periodically kills a cat for no reason. I'm a loose cannon, and you better not [EMAIL PROTECTED] with me (or even look like yer THINKIN' about it!) I believe this is in fact their chosen image, and in many cases their actual nature. To me VERY disturbing. -K Hey, who you callen psychopathic?? I just HATE cats! ;) Tee Hee Hee. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Re: [Biofuel] BAD LYE??
ROY, Take a chill. You have a small amount of soda ash in the bottom of the tank. Leave it there. Pore off the M/H and leave it in the bottom. There is no way of getting around a little [junk] in the stuff we get unless you pay BIG bucks for reagent grade or better. Even if you do, you will pick up CO2 out of the air when you handle it. But NOT a large amount and NOT enough to get your undies in a twist over. I don't know for sure [guys, check me out here] but I don't see a problem IF you did dump it all into the batch. It should settle out under your glycerin and can be dealt with later. Dry it and dump it or find an outlet for it. SOME body some where wants soda ash. Any way you look at it, your NOT dealing with radio active waste here. It is not a big deal to deal with. In the right type of soil some one may NEED soda ash to correct something. How about it you workers of the soil, Is there a use for it? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol update
Any input will help. Ron Keith Addison wrote: Hello Peter Hi Keith and Peggy ; I am working my way through these links, and it is perfect timing. I truely was starting to assemble the materials to make the Charles 803 from JtF web site. Huh? WHERE on the JtF web site did you find any mention of Mr Warren and the Charles 803 still? It was all removed four years ago, and none too soon. Please make sure of just which website you're talking about, confirm that it ISN'T the Journey to Forever web site, and no need to tell us which one it is. Thankyou. There are plenty of still plans at the JtF site. Check out Mother Earth Alcohol Fuel: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#ME And more to come. I didn't order the plansm but I could do it from the web site. I always wondered about that right angle elbow at the bottom. Never did make much sense to me. My plan was to build a low cost electronic sensor instead of his tube sensor. I didn't yet know the price for his. Ouch! Easy to do with solid state temp sensor and solenoid valve, but needs AC or DC power to work. I definately want automatic control. I am on email overload right now, with agitation, pressurization, ethanol, methanol, temp sensor. Now I have more details on the land. Along the south side are some small mountains, public land, usable and perfect for a wind farm. Looking into that. Then I don't want to just bulldoze clear trees and grass (horror!). Looking into graceful transition methods. JtF pig bulldozer clearing looks interesting. Does this really work Keith? Sure. As long as you don't go and put rings in their noses. I'm halfway through scanning a book on exactly how to do it, the only one there is AFAIK, and long out of print. Best Keith Peggy, lots of good info in your last post. I guess all I had to do was ask, right? I appreciate it, and I'm sure a lot of list member do also. A few hundred thousand is not achievable right now, but step by step. Best Regards to All, Peter G, Thailand It did not go well, to say the least. You'll find most of the gory details at these links: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/1300/ 2000-11-20 Charles 803 fuel ethanol still http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/1317/ 2000-11-21 Re: Charles 803 http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/1350/ 2000-11-23 Improving the Charles 803 http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/12169/ 2002-03-08 Re: [biofuel] Re: Warren Still Design http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/12168/ 2002-03-08 Re: [biofuel] Re: Warren Still Design - Still help http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/12152/ 2002-03-08 Re: Warren Still Design This is dealt with in this post: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/1350/ 2000-11-23 Improving the Charles 803 Some of the links in that post have since changed. Here are the new links: Alcohol Fuel, Can You Make Your Own?, by Ray Hill, from Popular Science, January 1981: http://www.green-trust.org/alcohol_.pdf Mike Nixon http://www.amphora-society.com/ The Amphora Society Mike Nixon's comment on the Tallgrass still: http://www.green-trust.org/PopScienceArticleRebuttal.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?
Back on the actual subject listed as the topic of this thread... A little digging has convinced me that a diesel-electric hybrid w/ photovoltaic cells on the the hood/roof/trunk could easily be the basis for vehicles that could completely replace the traditional gasoline/diesel based ground/water vehicles currently in use at acceptable levels of performance, economy, etc. (Air travel vehicles operate under more stringent constraints that I'm not sure this diesel/electric w/ PV assist power supply idea could satisfy.) A rotary diesel motor could supply as much as 2HP / liter; perhaps more if optimized for constant rpm. The battery problem should be solved by using fuel cells since they provide far more energy per unit weight. Until fuel cells are available, there are many new ideas for increasing even the efficiency of the standard: the lead-acid battery (spin off company from Case or John Deer that gets ~2x the power/weight out of lead acid batteries IIRC?) that could fill in. For applications not as economically constrained, the exotics like Li-ion are of course an option. However, fuel cells seem to best any battery technology I've heard of. PV cells of as high as 42% efficiency are now reality; and I'm told by people in the that business that mass production would _significantly_ reduce their costs. This is a recipe for, say, a car, that fits all the constraints a normal consumer would have... ...and gets 100-200mpg while doing it. With these kind of fuel efficiencies and a little common sense as to what crops to use as the basis for biodiesel (ultimately I would think that a crop bred/engineered to be specialized for bio-diesel production would be the best solution...), the amount of farmland required for growing the crops needed to produce the biodiesel needs of a country would be _far_ less than any of the current estimates. Doing this would not only be green and conserve our petro-diesel resources for uses that so far they are the only unique source for, such as certain plastics and medical products, It might also help Us avert the continuing escalation of violence in the Middle East that seems to be at the moment the most likely cause of WWIII. Where do I sign? And how do We get our leaders to pursue what seems to be an eminently logical course of action for anyone who loves their children and their planet? Ron Peacetree ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?
Correction. The bio-diesel engines in question do not get ~2 HP per =liter=, They get ~2 HP per =pound= or ~1-2 HP per 10cc. I am. of course, hoping that a constant rpm bio-diesel engine can be designed that does even better than this. :-) Ron ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Interesing that you brought up silver. it is a natural antibiotic. It kills over 600 nasty things. I take silver water when ever I fell something coming on and It zaps it right out of me. I have not been sick in years. Look at www.silver medicine.org for more info. Levi - Original Message - From: TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina.. Hi, Kim I think that both HO and chlorine act as oxidizers, providing similar sanitizing effects, but I'm awfully rusty. Oh! Accidental pun, my favorite kind! And here in florida they use copper compounds to reduce algae growth in slow moving waters. As I seem to recall people tossing a few pennies in their mood fountains to keep the water clear. Sorry to hear about your allergies. I take a middle ground on lots of organic/synthetic issues but I've friends who've become wildly sensitized. Taryn On Sep 1, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I was suggesting an alternative for those whose health is of vital importance, to them. I am fighting hard to prevent myself from becoming totally chemically sensitive, so I can still have a life. Many of the things our government says are safe are responsible for people becoming like I am, allergic to everything. If it is too much bother to find out how to use alternatives, then so be it. No need to ridicule the information. Bright Blessings, Kim At 05:39 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: at what concentration is hydrogen peroxide safe? At what concentration is chlorine bleach unsafe? also at what concentration is H2O2 effective and at what concentration is chlorine ineffective against what organisms? viruses? bacteria? cryptosporidium? giradia? amoeba? nematodes? etc. darn, things can get complex in a hurry if you think about it. sorry Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Actually, I prefer hydrogen peroxide to chlorine for keep my water fresh. It does not have the toxic effects, especially for young girls and child bearing aged women. Sorry, but chlorine is not safe. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:51 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Thanks for the info Emil. I remember now reading of the silver coin in water from another thread. Somehow I think it sounds kind of weird though. We use untreated well water and I could stand a bit of chlorine in an emergency. Usually we have some water supply interruption during Winter. It is reassuring to have a palatable water supply stored. Better safe than sorry. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
I am aware of all the na sayers about collidal silver but the stuff still works. I have seen this stuff change people's lifes, I'm not trying to make a buck I just like seeing people happy and healthy. In a world where the drug companys make billions and the side effects are worse than what you are trying to cure. For that matter kill you. What does a country hic like me know? - Original Message - From: Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina.. Wow, I started off a great thread and didn't even follow it. Now, I thought I remembered reading a couple of dissertations on colloid silver here. I am glad to get the input all over again. I think that some of this stuff is a little over the top just to sanitize a couple of ten gallon containers of stored water. Although as a hobbyist fabricator of both ferrous and non-ferrous metals I can appreciate the electro-plating techniques. That stuff is fun to setup and watch work, but drink the results? Maybe if I had access to better lab equipment I could feel more at ease after testing some of these techniques. Don't fret I know you weren't talking electro-plating more electrolysis of water. Pardon me, my mind wanders. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/electrol.html I would think that if I took the advice here and started with a sanitized container and used distilled water the bottled liquid should have a better chance of holding up and not getting murky. I think, we need to keep it simple and as practical as possible, otherwise we risk not doing it. I am fully capable of making things and doing for my family, but I also know there are only so many hours in a day. The elk are bugling and the coyotes are laughing as dawn approaches here in northern New Mexico. It's a beautiful world we live in. I plan to make the best of my day. My family will be working in the forest this weekend. We have had steady rain here. I guess it is remnants of Katrina. My daughter said as we came down the mountain a few days ago the forest looks so alive when it is wet. Indeed. Yes New Mexico is not inherently prone to stagnant water issues so we don't often worry about it. With the disaster on the Gulf Coast I began to question the ability to store water for longer periods for emergency use. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] All plastic processor
thanks jjjn this is the best ideal i have seen yet. god bless Levi - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] All plastic processor I may be getting in the middle here but FYI I just purchased some 8 Dia. Sch 40 PVC. It holds roughly 2.5 gallons per foot. they make a very nice concentric reducer glue fitting for the bottom that can be threaded to your choice of sizes. The Wall Thickness is heavy enough you can drill and tap side fittings for your pump/gage taps etc. you can get a tee with clean out also. 2 part marine (putty stick) sticks real well to if you prep with sand paper. I am making mine about 10 gallons each and making dual reactors with one wash tub. the pipe is about 5-6 bucks a foot and fittings run about 20 bucks each. Wisdom to all, Jim David Thornton wrote: I've been using an ethylene processor, using jb welding on the joints. Made about 45 gallons then it started leaking. Just make sure to really rough up surfaces that the jb weld will adhere too, and cake it on. good luck. david ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [biofuel] The Myth of the 3,000 Mile Oil Change
engines * {6 filter element changes/year * [(5 pounds of
waste/filter change * $0.50/pound for disposal) + $1.00 for new
element/change] = $210/year
Pay back:
The pay back period can be computed for the entire base, or for each
shop, or for each vehicle, by the following equation:
Pay Back = Capital Cost ü (Annual Savings - Annual Cost)
Example: If 10 engines are fit with bypass oil filters and an oil
analyzer is purchased to analyze the oil:
Pay back = [1.5 * (10 filters * $304 + $8,000)] ü ($4,734/year -
$210/year) = 3.7 years
This calculation does not account for the time to train maintenance
personnel or the reduced time for performing oil changes. Using an
off-site laboratory for oil analysis can significantly reduce the
capital costs of the project.
EXAMPLE OF USE:
Offshore Support Vessels:DB Boat RentalsNew Iberia, LA(318) 369-6413
Offshore Support Vessels:Tribe Fleet, Inc.Panama City, FL(904) 872-8012
Several Coast Guard locations around the Gulf Coast region have used
Gulf Coast Filter products
Light and Heavy Trucks:Dairy Fresh Milk Corp.Hattiesburg, MS(601)
268-2583Vehicles:Hickam AFB, HawaiiCivil Engineering Squadron/
Environmental Flight(808) 448-2231
VENDORS:
Bypass Filters andOil Analyzer:Gulf Coast FiltersP.O. Box 2787 Gulfport,
MS 39505(601) 832-1663 Bypass Filters:Rio Bravo Inc.Engine Protection
Systems1615 Kearney St. Loredo, TX 78043(210) 791-7061 Bypass Filters:TF
Purifiner , Inc.3020 High Ridge Rd., Suite 100Boynton Beach, FL
33426(800) 488-0577
Oil Analyzer:CSI Inc.835 Innovation DriveKnoxville, TN(615) 675-2400
Facility-Specific Evaluation
Feasibility Issues
1. There are no inherent obstacles to the implementation of this project
General Information/Feasibility
1. Number of vehicles on base:
Waste Reduction Calculations
The following information is required to perform the waste reduction
evaluation:
1. Hazardous waste generated from changing oil in vehicles annually:
___
2. POL waste generated from changing oil in vehicles annually:
___
Economic Calculations
Additional information required performing the economic evaluations:
1. Cost paid per pound of oil disposed as hazardous waste:
_
2. Cost paid per pound of non-hazardous POL waste disposed:
_
Evaluation:
Waste reduction and economic evaluations can be done for as many shops
as desired. By using the example calculations in the Pollution
Prevention Opportunity Evaluation sheet, and the information listed
above, the waste reduction and economic evaluations can be performed.
Best regards,
Ron
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Re: [biofuel] The Myth of the 3,000 Mile Oil Change
I would respectfully disagree with your assessment. You say: I would not recommend those kind of intervals for those of us burning fossil fuels much of teh time and/or using mineral based oil in an older diesel. Its asking for trouble. I have ONLY used fossil fuels in this automobile. The dozens of professional lab results indicate the oil as new, even after 100 plus thousand miles, with the use of bypass filtration, and still well within acceptable limits after 10,000 miles without bypass filtration. My results are over the course of several years, 200,000 plus miles. Unless having as new oil lubricating my engine at all times is asking for trouble, I find your statement questionable, but, these are MY results, substantiated by professional lab analysis, yours may indeed differ. In any event, I think we will agree that oil analysis is imperative if one is considering extended drain intervals, as no two engines are identical. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I purchased a Mercedes Benz 1995 E300 diesel with slightly over 100,000 miles on the odometer. Mercedes dealer impeccably maintained it prior to my purchase as it was under a Starmark warrantee. I'm not sure if it used synthetic oil prior to my purchase, but I immediately changed it to Mobil 1 15W-50. I then performed professional oil analysis at several change intervals, including 4,000, 6,000, 8,000 and 10,000 miles, numerous times. My lab reports suggested this motor was well protected even at the 10,000-mile change intervals using Mobil 1. Soot levels were under 2%, all other data within expected values. snip Yep, That is a common figure for synthetic, but you must do oil analysis to make sure you still ahev good protection as the oil ages. For those interested in conservation, it may be a good, if small measure. If you are not running fossil fuels in there, soot will be lower, and therefore, the oil viscocity will stay more like it should. I would not recommend those kind of intervals for those of us burning fossil fuels much of teh time and/or using mineral based oil in an older diesel. Its asking for trouble. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Biofuel] What oil to use
All good information but I would add that Mobil 1 Truck SUV, readily available, is rated SAE 5W-40, API CI-4,SL/CF. This is well within the parameters your manufacturer requests. Best regards, Ron Kim, I took this from the tdiclub.com . I use Shell Rotella T (synthetic) because that's what I could get locally. I suggest visiting that website if you need to know more about your VW TDI. There is a wealth of knowledge in the forums. Start with the TDI FAQ. Please note that this does not apply to new 2004 PD (unit injector) models. http://tdiclub.com/TDIFAQ/TDiFAQ-4.html # Specifications - The oil specified for use in the Volkswagen TDi for current models meets the API Service CG-4 rating. This mark means that the oil has been tested for use in Diesel (C = compression ignition) engines to meet the requirements of a test level called G in a 4-stroke engine. The oil may also have been tested for use engines fueled by gasoline, methanol, propane, or other fuels ignited by a spark plug (S = spark ignition). The S ratings (SG, SH, SJ, etc.) have no bearing on the suitability of the oil to protect a Diesel fueled engine from the special demands imposed by the higher compression ratios and the tendency for all diesel engines to place soot in the oil. Since there is little difference internally between the earlier and later engines, it is only prudent to use oil meeting the latest standards, even in the earlier models. The latest standard is CH-4, and the one previous to that is CG-4. Many oils which have CG-4 printed on the packaging actually meet CH-4, but due to the time taken to use up old packaging, it is only the labeling which is not up to date. Back to Top #Semi and full Synthetic - According to a service bulletin, Volkswagen recommends the use of synthetic oil in the TDI engine. Herein lies the dilemma, as if you take your Volkswagen to a dealer for service, they may try to use an oil which is not CG-4 rated and isn't really a full synthetic. There are a limited number of oils on the market in North America which satisfy the following criteria: CG-4 or CH-4 rating, full synthetic, viscosity 5w30 or 5w40. These oils are suitable for VW's full recommended oil change interval and the viscosity range is suitable for all climates in North America. Contrary to what dealers may tell you, neither Mobil 1 nor Castrol Syntec fulfill all of these requirements - and that information is right on the bottle. The information in this section refers to API service classes which are North American standards. Different standards for engine oils are used in Europe and elsewhere. It should be noted that since this vehicle was developed in Europe, it is much easier to determine whether a European engine oil is suitable. Any synthetic oil meeting the specification VW 505.00 is suitable for use with this engine with the full recommended oil change interval. The VW 505.00 is the manufacturer's own specification, but in North America this specification is rarely seen, so we must rely on the API grades. Oils which are suitable for the full recommended oil change interval in all climates include, but aren't limited to: Mobil Delvac 1, 5w40 (full synthetic, a reformulated version of Mobil 1 which is intended for diesel engines) Chevron Delo 400, 5w40 (full synthetic version) Shell Rotella T (full synthetic version, not to be confused with Rotella SB synthetic blend or regular Rotella T non-synthetic) Amsoil Series 3000, 5w30 (full synthetic, CH-4 rated) Amsoil High Performance, 10w40 (full synthetic, CH-4 rated) Amsoil semi-synthetic 15w40 (CH-4 rated and high quality, but almost as expensive as the full synthetic, and higher viscosity at low temperatures) Redline, synthetic version (make sure you get the type meant for diesel engines, with the CG-4 or CH-4 rating) There are intermediate classes of oils in between full synthetic oils and conventional oils. These include synthetic blends, and so-called Group III hydroisomerized oils, and are also available in viscosity ranges suitable for all climates. They include: Shell Rotella SB (synthetic blend) Petro-Canada Duron, various viscosity's (Group III, various grades available, ensure CG-4 or CH-4 rating on the bottle) Castrol Syntec 5w30, 5w40 (Group III - note that this oil is frequently recommended by VW dealers but is NOT rated CG-4 or CH-4, and isn't a full synthetic - which calls into question what the dealer is telling people ... this forum is generally of the opinion that Castrol Syntec is not the best choice for this engine) In warm weather, a good-quality non-synthetic oil meant for diesel engines with CG-4 or CH-4 ratings may be used. They're not suitable in cold weather due to reduced cold-pumping properties, and it's prudent to shorten the oil change interval because non-synthetic oils may not resist breakdown at high temperatures as well as the synthetic oils (remember that turbocharger). These oils are much easier to find. These include: Mobil Delvac
Re: [biofuel] Re: OT: US Organic certification program
Being new to the group today, I have 2 questions? 1. What is the name of this insurance company or health group you have had a problem with so maybe I can prevent the same happening to me? 2.After reading about making bio-diesel fuel, IT SEEMS DIFFICULT A VERY EXACTING JOB.Temperatures, etc.I have a schoolbus I converted to a motorhome had hopes of going from Indiana to Arizona on bio-diesel, but now can see that isn't feasible.At 9 mpg with my 1989 Ford 6.6 turbo diesel, it would take a lot of gallons to get there.So how long does it take to make a 5 gallon bucket? Wish there was somebody maybe in Kokomo-Lafayette, Indiana making bio-diesel fuel from french fry oil that I could go see the operation or someone between Indianapolis St. Louis not too far off of I-70, or between St. Louis Oklahoma City, Oklahoma along I-44, or between Oklahoma City Amarillo, Tx. on I-40.Then we will go to Roswell, NM, then on toward Tucson, Az.,so if anybody along that route makes bio-diesel from french fry oil, I'd appreciate an invite to see HOW TO DO IT.My thoughts are it sounds difficult the 1st time.I'll be leaving Indiana Nov. 5-7th. Thank you. Ron in Indiana motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Motie, I am very happy for you and that it goes well and if you cannot get them all, I will translate a good Spanish proverb for you. Every pig will have his Sant Marten's day. Sant Marten's day is the day for the traditional feast of slaughtering the pig. Hakan I am dragging them, screaming, to the slaughterhouse. I don't intend any personal benefit from this task. I won't use the medical benefits paid for. I WILL NOT become dependant on anyone else for anything. If I should, they will have a hold on me, and can influence my activities by threatening to withhold services for non-compliance. I planned for this battle against corruption before I engaged in it. My Health insurance cannot be withheld from me, my bank accounts cannot be frozen, my house cannot be foreclosed or Liens placed against it. I have tried to leave their only recourse to be through the Courts, and that is the main place that they do NOT want to be. They just paid $8000 to stay out of Court, with at least a dozen more complaints coming. Death by Flea-bites? (A version of the 'Death by a Thousand Cuts) Goliath is NOT invincible, and I anticipate many more Davids(Fleas) to step forth once this is realized. Motie Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/jd3IAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer
THIS MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR YOU ETHANOL USERS I once saw in an old copy of Mother Earth News where a farmer had a good crop of corn but every one else had a good crop too and the market had taken a dive. He decided to convert his crop to ethanol. He had to go through all sorts of rigmarole to get the permits etc but prevailed in the end. After his mix had worked and the time came to get the ethanol from the mash, he devised a solar still. Using sunlight to extract an ethanol that he then used to run his vehicles and farm equipment. There was water in it already but not so much that it would not work. The still was simplicity itself, with an elevated reservoir with (I think) a Hessian or similar product, to siphon the liquid down a slope (angled to catch the sun). This whole area was covered with glass (like a solar hot water heater) and there were two reservoirs at the bottom. One for the finished mash liquid and another, which collected the alcohol/water mix, which had condensed on the under side of the glass. I imagine that some experimentation would be needed with the flow rate and length of the slope to ensure that there was not too much water in the ethanol. BLUE; reservoir for mash RED; glass needs to cover the whole thing and be sealed so the ethanol does not get out. GREEN; slope for the liquid to run down. The hessian needs to sit in the top reservoir and go up and over the edge and down the slope. It would probably be best for it to go all the way to the bottom thereby providing a much larger surface area for the mash to absorb heat etc. The crude diagram does not show the two reservoirs at thr bottom. He then sold the depleted mash as a stock feed and ended up in front. It would be a cheap way to make white lightning Ron (Canberra) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We made most of our ethanol out of rice. We added 20% water and drove our car and truck on it with excellent results. Marilyn Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Sticky/Glutinous rice from the fields makes real good ethanol. If used with and injection of 15 to 20% water it produces much more energy in a tuned engine to the fuel water mix than gas. Why the need to go to other Bio-Fuels? The Ethanol with the water injection would be sufficient to run pumps, generators and the likes as long as the intake to the engine was as short as possible for easy starting. Doug - Original Message - From: "Johnathan Corgan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:24 AM Subject: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer I've recently acquired through inheritance about 20 acres of farm land in rural Philippines. It's currently being used for rice and I think some tobacco. My wife's extended family works the land and the operation has now passed into our hands. Being a professional engineer and California-based city boy, I have no clue whatsoever about anything to do with farming. My lifetime agricultural experience is watching seeds sprout in egg carton planters as a child in an elementary school science project. By pure coincidence, I've recently begun experimenting with WVO-based biodiesel production, currently at the "successful 1L batch" stage. In addition, we've thought of building a vacation/retirement home on this land, emphasizing "off the grid" energy--PV, wind, battery-based power leveling, and diesel-generator backup. So all this adds up to a grand opportunity--can the land be made sufficiently productive to support methanol or ethanol based biodiesel manufacture for a small community, for a suitable definition of "small"? My understanding is that the climate is suitable for several different types of oilseed crops, but I don't even know the right questions to ask. I do know, though, that rural Philippines has many interesting logistical issues, not to mention some geopolitical instability and poor infrastructure. I have many ideas, but little understanding of practicalities :-) (Not to mention the livelihoods of a number of members of my wife's family, so this is more serious than mere experimentation.) -Johnathan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainableli sts.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainab
