Re: [SWCollect] Paypal "protection plan"

[AvatarTom]

In a message dated 08/08/2003 9:14:52 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I hope this strategy doesn't backfire on me...

It's rough Stuart :( Bidpay is really good for ccard payments if buyer does not mind using them. I don't know what to do myself, the payment I got WAS a bank account transfer and it still didn't do me any good. But you are correct, much more difficult to reverse a bank transfer.

Tom

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Re: [SWCollect] Paypal "protection plan"

[AvatarTom]

 Paypal Wall of Shame 

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[SWCollect] Fw: Help us evaluate eBay and receive $50 and an eBay pen for your efforts

[ceforman]

BWA-HA-HA-HA!

Take a look at this thing I just got, supposedly from eBay.  I actually
filled part of it out, until I got to the question where they asked if I'd
be willing to use my real bank and credit card information when
participating in the survey.  The instant I said no, they told me I didn't
fit the profile for the type of person they were looking for.  Heh, no D!  I
bet they weren't even really going to send me the pen!  B-)

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efforts



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Individual responses will be used for research purposes only and will remain
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[SWCollect] The thugs at paypal

[AvatarTom]

In a message dated 08/12/2003 11:10:56 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I have followed this thread as much as possible but I must have missed 
something:  The buyer disputed the charge -- can't the seller do the same? 
Surely there is some recourse for the seller, yes?

No there is not. They have a "seller protection" plan but it only covers physical items that were sent with a minimum of delivery confirmation and in some cases need signature confirmation. NO VIRTUAL ITEMS OR SERVICES ARE COVERED. Not only that, if item was not delivered seller has no recourse. Items do get lost in the mail, if you offer insurance (which I always do) but the buyer does not want it they can then reverse the transaction if the item does not arrive. Bottom line, the only time a seller is "safe" from reversal is when an item is DELIVERED WITH SIGNATURE CONFIRMATION, ANY OTHER TRANSACTION COULD BE REVERSED. So never send out anything without insurance and sig confirmation if you want to be covered. Hell who knows what else they would require even if you DID all this :(

I went ahead and paid the assholes the $88. They basically stole it from me at gunpoint, I delivered the "goods" and had proof of it in ICQ records but paypal reversed it anyway and left me a negative $88 balance. They then pulled out the gun and told me if I did not "take care" of the negative $88 balance they would send a collection agency after me and ruin my credit rating, plus charge me "recovery fees" along with the $88. Fuck them, I will use alternatives whenever possible. Am afraid to file anything else, they have my personal info and accounts, they could do anything they want to me.

Tom


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Re: [SWCollect] Paypal "protection plan"

[Jim Leonard]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think I will file a police report against them. You people 
really want to use a service that would do this to an honest person?
Yes, because there isn't any other game in town.  Same thing with ebay -- I 
won't use bidville because I'm not certain I wouldn't get a fair shake of buyers.

I have followed this thread as much as possible but I must have missed 
something:  The buyer disputed the charge -- can't the seller do the same? 
Surely there is some recourse for the seller, yes?

If you sold it via ebay, doesn't ebay have transaction dispute services?
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[SWCollect] Games wanted

[AvatarTom]

PTO 2 and Romance IV for IBM KOEI, and Fire King for IBM or maybe another platform. Trade or buy.

Thanks,
Tom


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Re: [SWCollect] Fw: Fw: Help us evaluate eBay and receive $50 and an eBay pen...

[AvatarTom]

In a message dated 08/13/2003 8:49:39 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Yeah, they did respond, with this.  Still ain't buyin' it.

Hmm, why not? As long as they don't ask for any new info, should not have to enter anything since you already have an ebay acct. Why not try and see if it asks you to do anything new, if so you could just back down.



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Re: [SWCollect] CGExpo

[Jim Leonard]

Back from CGExpo, and it was great -- it was a little less formal than 
something like, oh, E3, and more formal than something like Phillyclassic 
(which I hear was more of a swap meet than expo).  If I missed anyone there, I 
apologize -- when I wasn't tending the booth I was trying to play some arcade 
games.

I'll try to put some pictures up soon.

Jim Leonard wrote:

Just a reminder I will be at the Classic Gaming Expo in Las Vegas this 
weekend at the MobyGames booth.  Please feel free to stop by and say hi 
(and if I don't immediately recognize your name, please don't be 
offended -- I'm TERRIBLE with names).


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[SWCollect] Dr. Doom's Revenge

[Lee K. Seitz]

I came across a copy of Dr. Doom's Revenge (starring Captain America
and Spider-man) for DOS this weekend.  It seems to be complete, except
for the comic book.  If anyone has a copy, I'm curious who the writer
and artist(s) on the comic were.  Did they use well-known Marvel
regulars or some unknowns?  I searched the web to no avail.

-- 
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Re: [SWCollect] Fw: Help us evaluate eBay and receive $50 and an eBay pen for...

[AvatarTom]

Did you forward it to ebay and ask if it was authorized by them?

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RE: Re: [SWCollect] (OT) Kids games

[John Romero]

Title: Message



Humongous Entertainment was a really great company, led by the legendary 
Ron Gilbert of LucasArts fame.  Ron started up a company after selling 
Humongous several years ago.  His new company is called HulaBee (www.hulabee.com) and they are continuing the 
tradition of Humongous!
 
- John
 

  
  -Original Message-From: Origin Museum 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:55 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: Re: [SWCollect] 
  (OT) Kids gamesJim Leonard wrote:

***
Can't help you with Amiga games, but every single Humongous Entertainment game 
for the PC (Putt-Putt, Freddi Fish, etc.) are really well done.
***

I love Humongous entertainment!  Almost all of the sound and music for their 
games was done by The 'Fatman and Team Fat' (the same group that gave us the 
music for Wing Commander 1 +2, Ultima Underworld, and 7th Guest).

I doubt that anyone but Jim will get this (unless you're a Humongous fan as 
well), but it's been an hour since I got this email, and I can't stop humming 
'Welcome to the Zoo'!
To get an idea of the great fun of these games, say these lyrics as fast as you 
can!  :)

"S wipe of the windshield so you can see,
The elephant the monkey and the chimpanzze,
Canaries, Takairees, the bears are all hairy,
The cheetahs, cicatas, gorillas and gators,
The emu and the lama very similar to the dromedary,
the turtles and the tortises, the dolphins and the porpises,
Lice, mice, geese, moose--Welcome to the Zoo!"

(Is it weird that I'm secretly proud to have that memorized?)

Joe



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RE: [SWCollect] (OT) Kids games

[Feldhamer, Stuart]

Putt Putt and Freddi Fish are OK, but I vastly prefer Pajama Sam and Spy
Fox. The Spy Fox games almost seem more geared towards adults than children.

Also check out "Moop and Dreadly and the Treasure of Bing Bong Island", by
Hulabee Entertainment, the company that Ron Gilbert started after he left
Humongous.

Stuart

-Original Message-
From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] (OT) Kids games


Pedro Quaresma wrote:

> I would love to find more simple and fun Amiga games like this one for 
> him, so I thought, who better to ask than that lovely group of people 
> that know every game in existance? :)

Can't help you with Amiga games, but every single Humongous Entertainment
game 
for the PC (Putt-Putt, Freddi Fish, etc.) are really well done.  We own most

of them and my eldest was doing the first (Putt-Putt Joins The Parade)
mostly 
by himself before he was 3.
-- 
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Want to help an ambitious games project?
http://www.mobygames.com/
Or check out some trippy MindCandy at
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Re: [SWCollect] Paypal "protection plan"

[Marco Thorek]

They become trickier on all accounts (literally): I remember back when I
signed up, there was something about them charging $1 to your credit
card and when you received your credit card bill, you had to enter a
code given in the PayPal position to activate your account. 

Back then that dollar was put into your PayPal account balance, now they
apparently keep it.

Neat, huh? 1000 sign-ups = $1000.

Marco

"Lee K. Seitz" schrieb:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] stated:
> >
> 
> >recently I had guy in UK signup using my link. We were both
> >supposed to get $5 bonus. BUT paypal says for us to get the bonuses he has to
> >transfer $250 into his paypal acct first. And has to be from bank account. And
> >has to be US bank account.
> 
> Paypal's policy for getting the $5 bonus has gotten worse and worse
> as time goes one.  At first, you had to do very little to get it.
> (Verify your address, I think.)  Then you had to add a checking
> account.  Now you've got to add $250.  I'm glad I got my $5 when I
> did, because I wouldn't get it if I signed up now.
> 
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Re: [SWCollect] (OT) Kids games

[Jim Leonard]

Origin Museum wrote:

"S wipe of the windshield so you can see,
The elephant the monkey and the chimpanzze,
Canaries, Takairees, the bears are all hairy,
The cheetahs, cicatas, gorillas and gators,
The emu and the lama very similar to the dromedary,
the turtles and the tortises, the dolphins and the porpises,
Lice, mice, geese, moose--Welcome to the Zoo!"
"We are the topiary creatures!
We're very pleased to meet'chaz!
(Seniors and senoritas too!)"
Yes, my entire family has sung it too ;-)
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A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/
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Re: [SWCollect] Paypal "protection plan"

[AvatarTom]

In a message dated 08/07/2003 8:33:54 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/31534.html

Good article but it doesn't even cover what paypal can do a SELLER, just reverse the transaction, leave a with negative balance, then threaten with collection agency. My goods are delivered, what am I supposed to do? Buyer or seller beware, paypal is unsafe, they can do whatever they want, steal your money and then ruin your credit rating if you don't approve their theft.

Tom

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RE: [SWCollect] Paypal "protection plan"

[Feldhamer, Stuart]

Tom,
 
As I 
mentioned in a previous post, I am planning on selling a bunch of stuff on Ebay. 
In the process, I was trying to decide whether or not to upgrade my Paypal 
account so that I can accept credit card payments. I was worried that without 
doing so, I would lose some buyers, and I think this is a legitimate concern. 
However, your story has given me pause. I have heard a whole bunch more of these 
horror stories as well. Therefore, I've decided not to use Paypal to receive 
payments except for from a bank account, where the buyer would have much greater 
difficulty in disputing the debit.
 
I hope 
this strategy doesn't backfire on me...
 
Stuart

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 8:59 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [SWCollect] 
  Paypal "protection plan"In a message dated 08/07/2003 8:33:54 PM Central Daylight 
  Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  This is just one very small story of hundreds dotted all over 
theInternet. And these stories will continue until either a) the 
lawchanges to pull in PayPal and force it to follow the laws 
andregulations everyone else is subjected to or b) people learn the 
finedistinction between PayPal and the institutions they 
instinctivelytrust."Well they are now threatening 
  me, if I don't cover the negative balance THEY CREATED by taking my money away 
  they will contact a collection agency. So my perfect credit rating I've 
  created over the years could be damaged. I think I will file a police report 
  against them. You people really want to use a service that would do this to an 
  honest person?TomVisit my web page for many games for sale/trade 
  and screen shots of Ultima Escape from Mt. Drash,  Tom's Ultima, 
  Infocom and RPG page 
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Re: [SWCollect] Paypal "protection plan"

[AvatarTom]

In a message dated 08/07/2003 8:33:54 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


This is just one very small story of hundreds dotted all over the
Internet. And these stories will continue until either a) the law
changes to pull in PayPal and force it to follow the laws and
regulations everyone else is subjected to or b) people learn the fine
distinction between PayPal and the institutions they instinctively
trust."


Well they are now threatening me, if I don't cover the negative balance THEY CREATED by taking my money away they will contact a collection agency. So my perfect credit rating I've created over the years could be damaged. I think I will file a police report against them. You people really want to use a service that would do this to an honest person?

Tom
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[SWCollect] Fw: Fw: Help us evaluate eBay and receive $50 and an eBay pen for your efforts (KMM87345328V93365L0KM)

[ceforman]

Yeah, they did respond, with this.  Still ain't buyin' it.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Help us evaluate eBay and receive $50 and an eBay pen for
your efforts (KMM87345328V93365L0KM)


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Hi,

I got this and I don't think it's from eBay, they're asking if I'd mind
using my eBay ID/password and credit card info to participate in their
survey.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:58 PM
Subject: Help us evaluate eBay and receive $50 and an eBay pen for your
efforts



Dear eBay Member,

You have been selected to participate in a very important eBay online
study,
which is being conducted by NetRaker Corporation on eBay's behalf.


The study involves completing 8 tasks on the eBay web site, including
buying and selling tasks, and answering questions about your experiences
as
you go along. The estimated time to complete the study is between 45 and
120
minutes. In appreciation for your time and input, $50 and 2 eBay pens
will
be sent to you within ten business days of completing the study.

During the study, you  will be asked to purchase 2 items on eBay, and to
list an eBay pen for auction, even if you have never sold anything on
eBay
before. Again, the pens will be sent to you within ten business days of
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pen
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Since buying, paying, and selling will take place on the live eBay Web
site
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password to log into the site when prompted. If you have never sold
items on
eBay, you will also be required to enter your credit card and bank
account
information in order to list