Re: [SWCollect] Value of Apple ][ Goldfinger
Dan Chisarick stated: That's actually another interesting point. Is an emulator which comes close enough really good enough? I've seen some really damn good emulators that are works of art, but they're not perfect. I'll play Choplifter with the cannon fire sound just a bit off, or a little scratchiness in the already scratchy music of a computer that had no tone generator to begin with and be happy. You mentioned the one game where, for me, emulation isn't quite good enough. Choplifter was the first (non-educational) game I convinced my parents to buy for our //e. To me, you just don't get the full experience without the unique sound of the Choplifter disk booting up. (And mine's gone bad!!!) -- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Value of Apple ][ Goldfinger
On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 08:59 PM, Lee K. Seitz wrote: [Snip] That's what the Apple //c is for, silly. 8) Speaking of which, I just got one from a friend. It's just the bare system (computer power supply). I asked him to keep an eye out for software, but I'm not expecting much. He's not into computers. He's apparently had this one since college (which is when we met), but never got a monitor for it, so never used it. So now I've got a //e, //c, and IIgs. Just need a II+ and II (yeah, right), and I'll have a complete collection. 8) Sell someone's kidney ;-) and you might be able to afford one of the (honestly) rare Apple *I*s I've seen up for sale -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Value of Apple ][ Goldfinger
My collection is 600+ IBM titles and I *still* don't understand why IBM software collectables go for almost twice as much as other platforms. Any theories? Space, perhaps. You can slap an old 5.25 drive in your modern PC and probably get most games to work with enough fiddling. But do most players (non-collectors) really want to lug a big bulky Apple II into their house? From a seller perspective, I get more platform-specific requests for PC games than any other machine, so it only makes sense to ask a bit more for them. I'm especially puzzled since the Abandonware movement has pretty much made everything available for download. This has always surprised me too, how so many people seem to want the original packaging. Though I've long felt that the physical items are more valuable (especially sentimentally) than code. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Value of Apple ][ Goldfinger
1) I agree that IBM Angelsofts are fairly rare. In fact I think Angelsofts are rare in general. The ones I have for IBM are High Stakes, The Mist (Hi Stephen), and Goldfinger. Personally I'd use the term uncommon, but also because rare is so overused. B-) 2) I don't think Goldfinger is particularly rare among the Angelsoft titles. I've seen it on ebay a few times for IBM even, and I've never seen some of the others. From my experience the James Bond games and High Stakes are the most common and were the easiest for me to come by. Indy was the hardest, with Voodoo Island a somewhat close second. 3) The DEMAND for Angelsofts is extremely low. Therefore, even when I do see them on ebay they don't go for much. That goes triple for non-IBM versions. The only one I've seen that seems to fetch a decent amount (sometimes) is The Mist, among King fans. Though I've seen them go for under $10 plenty of times too. 4) Bottom line is that I believe an Apple 2 Goldfinger to be worth about $20-$25. That sounds about what I'd ask, though awhile back I sold a PC one (possibly to one of you) for about that amount. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Value of Apple ][ Goldfinger
C.E. Forman wrote: I believe I've seen all of them listed in catalogs for IBM. (The folder versions. The Thunder Mountain budget packs I've only seen for Apple II and vintage Mac.) I used to own a Thunder Mountain pack for IBM -- it was a 10-pack and came with Uridium, Eagle's Nest, etc. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Value of Apple ][ Goldfinger
C.E. Forman stated: Space, perhaps. You can slap an old 5.25 drive in your modern PC and probably get most games to work with enough fiddling. But do most players (non-collectors) really want to lug a big bulky Apple II into their house? That's what the Apple //c is for, silly. 8) Speaking of which, I just got one from a friend. It's just the bare system (computer power supply). I asked him to keep an eye out for software, but I'm not expecting much. He's not into computers. He's apparently had this one since college (which is when we met), but never got a monitor for it, so never used it. So now I've got a //e, //c, and IIgs. Just need a II+ and II (yeah, right), and I'll have a complete collection. 8) -- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Value of Apple ][ Goldfinger
Stephen S. Lee wrote: I think I've tried both the Addams solve and the Simon solve, and both of them work fine on the IBM version of The Mist. (This assumes that the Underdogs copy hasn't been tinkered with, though; that's what I was using.) Yeah, that's the fixed one I gave her. :-) You should try to finish it on my original! -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[SWCollect] Value of Apple ][ Goldfinger
(sorry for the new subject line, I zapped the original e-mail without thinking about it.) Jim responded that it's worth $90-130. No way it's worth that much even if it's MS; it'd only be worth about that much if IBM and MS. Apple ][ Angelsofts show up semi-regularly on eBay and don't ever seem to go above $25 or so for your average opened but complete copy. I still have only two of them for IBM. I wonder what it will take to convince CE Forman that IBM Applesoft titles are actualy *rare*. 8) -- Stephen -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Value of Apple ][ Goldfinger
Stephen S. Lee wrote: Jim responded that it's worth $90-130. No way it's worth that much even if it's MS; it'd only be worth about that much if IBM and MS. My bad -- I thought it was IBM (didn't read too carefully). My collection is 600+ IBM titles and I *still* don't understand why IBM software collectables go for almost twice as much as other platforms. Any theories? I'm especially puzzled since the Abandonware movement has pretty much made everything available for download. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Value of Apple ][ Goldfinger
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Jim Leonard wrote: Stephen S. Lee wrote: Jim responded that it's worth $90-130. No way it's worth that much even if it's MS; it'd only be worth about that much if IBM and MS. My bad -- I thought it was IBM (didn't read too carefully). My collection is 600+ IBM titles and I *still* don't understand why IBM software collectables go for almost twice as much as other platforms. Any theories? Well, I think you know my answer, but just in case -- it's because it's what I have always played on, and so it's all I care about -- and thus games for other platforms are only of value to me for resale and for spare parts. I suspect many others feel the same way. As for downloading from abandonware sites, this has generally been *cough* not all that reliable for me. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Value of Apple ][ Goldfinger
Stephen S. Lee wrote: I've never seen a for-sale copy of an Angelsoft game for IBM other than the two that I own, High Stakes and The Mist, which appear to be the most common titles for IBM. The Mist seems to be particularly common, but that seems to be balanced by much higher demand. BTW, the IBM version of The Mist is flawed -- there is a typo in one of the verb actions you need to perform, so it is impossible to win the game without knowing what the typo is! (For those familiar with other platforms, is this the same on them? I would imagine a typo in the dictionary would propogate...) A hacker friend of mine clued me in to this fact when we were talking about the game circa 1996 and he said, Yeah, the one with the typo? I dumped RAM with debug.com and found it. So THAT'S why I was never able to finish it! :) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Value of Apple ][ Goldfinger
I think $50 is high for an opened Apple ][ Goldfinger, but if he's willing to pay that much ... I've rarely had Angelsoft work in searching on eBay; you have to search for the titles individually, which is a pain, especially since not much ever turns up. I'm fairly certain all the Angelsoft games (standard packaging only, I don't think this is true for the budget packages) exist for IBM; the YOIS Vault has many of its copies in IBM form. -- Stephen On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 07/20/2003 11:29:35 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've never seen a for-sale copy of an Angelsoft game for IBM other than the two that I own, High Stakes and The Mist, which appear to be the most common titles for IBM. The Mist seems to be particularly common, but that seems to be balanced by much higher demand. What are all the Angelsoft titles for IBM (or other platforms) Stephen, maybe I should start a treasure hunt. Just searched ebay for angelsoft and found nothing current or past auctions. Maybe I'll just ask $50 for my Goldfinger, from what you guys say that seems to be resonable for the Apple version? Thanks, Tom Visit my web page for many games for sale/trade and screen shots of Ultima Escape from Mt. Drash, A HREF=http://members.aol.com/tommage/UltimaPage/ultima.htm;Tom's Ultima, Infocom and RPG page/A -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Value of Apple ][ Goldfinger
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Jim Leonard wrote: Stephen S. Lee wrote: I've never seen a for-sale copy of an Angelsoft game for IBM other than the two that I own, High Stakes and The Mist, which appear to be the most common titles for IBM. The Mist seems to be particularly common, but that seems to be balanced by much higher demand. BTW, the IBM version of The Mist is flawed -- there is a typo in one of the verb actions you need to perform, so it is impossible to win the game without knowing what the typo is! Well, I was able to solve the game just fine, using the IBM version. :P I think I've tried both the Addams solve and the Simon solve, and both of them work fine on the IBM version of The Mist. (This assumes that the Underdogs copy hasn't been tinkered with, though; that's what I was using.) Angelsoft games have a picky parser to begin with, so maybe that was the problem? Playing guess the verb is never fun. -- Stephen (For those familiar with other platforms, is this the same on them? I would imagine a typo in the dictionary would propogate...) A hacker friend of mine clued me in to this fact when we were talking about the game circa 1996 and he said, Yeah, the one with the typo? I dumped RAM with debug.com and found it. So THAT'S why I was never able to finish it! :) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Value of Apple ][ Goldfinger
In a message dated 07/20/2003 11:54:45 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think $50 is high for an opened Apple ][ Goldfinger, but if he's willing to pay that much ... Hmm well I've never had another one for any platform, you say you saw ONE at ebay a long time ago and I have no clue how I would replace it so I think $50 is fair :) Visit my web page for many games for sale/trade and screen shots of Ultima Escape from Mt. Drash, Tom's Ultima, Infocom and RPG page
