Re: [swinog] Censurship in Germany Take 2
On the Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:15:22PM +0200, Tonnerre Lombard blubbered: Hallo. > > Of course the police will be swamped with useless data. Of course > > crawlers will cause most of the traffic; lots of them beeing spam > > harvesters hard to track. > > If I'm really mean I put an iframe on my website which includes some > child pr0n site. This way I can mass produce terror suspects. Embedd it into an HTML formatted mail and send it to some hapless ooh-clicky users. Actually, they want to log the accessing of the stop site, so no need to spread child pr0n at all. CU, Venty -- Verpassen Sie nicht den neuen Hackerfunk am 16. Mai 2009. Wie immer von 19:00 bis 20:00 Uhr auf Radio LoRa in Zürich. http://www.hackerfunk.ch/ http://www.lora.ch/ ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Censurship in Germany Take 2
Salut, Peter, On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:25:55 +0200, Peter Keel wrote: > Stupid pricks. If they legalized possession, all of those people > accidently discovering such things would inform the police, thus > mabye really doing something useful against ist. If the site is blocked it has already been discovered. It should be taken down however in order to stop the abuse, IMO. -- Tonnerre signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Censurship in Germany Take 2
Salut, Peter, On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:49:29 +0200, Peter Guhl Listenempfänger wrote: > Of course the police will be swamped with useless data. Of course > crawlers will cause most of the traffic; lots of them beeing spam > harvesters hard to track. If I'm really mean I put an iframe on my website which includes some child pr0n site. This way I can mass produce terror suspects. -- Tonnerre signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Censurship in Germany Take 2
* on the Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:28:14PM +0100, Andy Davidson wrote: > In the UK we have -- we are told -- blocking without logging, because > the intent of the blocking is to prevent the *accidental* discovery of > child abuse images. Stupid pricks. If they legalized possession, all of those people accidently discovering such things would inform the police, thus mabye really doing something useful against ist. Cheers Seegras -- "Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin "It's also true that those who would give up privacy for security are likely to end up with neither." -- Bruce Schneier ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Censurship in Germany Take 2
Andy Davidson schrieb: > On 20 Apr 2009, at 21:49, Peter Guhl Listenempfänger wrote: > >> Well, it depends. While blocking without loggin isn't good for >> anything at all > > In the UK we have -- we are told -- blocking without logging, because > the intent of the blocking is to prevent the *accidental* discovery of > child abuse images. I must say that I havent's often found real child porn sites by accident. Even looking for "child porn" in normal search engines normally only finds ordinary porn pages only using the keyword "child porn" as a marketing gag. To find the real stuff you still normally have to want to find it. But the idea to block some ugly stuff is not the worst. The worst thing is that somebody we, the people, didn't have elected and can't control is editing the blocklist (foreign countries and private organisations). A friend of mine can't do his work in the office because the company is using a blocklist (bought from a specialised company) blocking most technology related web forums as unwanted stuff. He can ask the IT-staff to open the sites but he can only ask for specific websites so it takes months to get them all. Even more the problem is that today every photo of a naked child is automatically banned as child porn. There is an exhibition somewhere in Germany (I guess) showing photos which have been shocking people when they came out. It includes some completely harmless pictures of naked children too - I wonder what kind of attacks they are facing! And nobody looks what happens in countries where it's normal to go around mostly naked. Nobody asks if there sexually motivated violation is a real problem. Regards Peter ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Censurship in Germany Take 2
On 20 Apr 2009, at 21:49, Peter Guhl Listenempfänger wrote: > Well, it depends. While blocking without loggin isn't good for > anything at all In the UK we have -- we are told -- blocking without logging, because the intent of the blocking is to prevent the *accidental* discovery of child abuse images. Andy ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Censurship in Germany Take 2
Andreas Fink schrieb: > its getting worse: > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Kinderporno-Sperren-Provider-sollen-Nutzerzugriffe-loggen-duerfen--/meldung/136450 Well, it depends. While blocking without loggin isn't good for anything at all and logging without blocking would be a rather good idea blocking and logging is still stupid but has some chance to really get some child porn consumers. Of course the police will be swamped with useless data. Of course crawlers will cause most of the traffic; lots of them beeing spam harvesters hard to track. I wonder if the German BKA will first track down search engines etc. and try to sue them for consuming child porn. That would be very funny :-) Regards Peter ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Censurship in Germany Take 2
its getting worse: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Kinderporno-Sperren-Provider-sollen-Nutzerzugriffe-loggen-duerfen--/meldung/136450 On 18.04.2009, at 17:00, Pascal Mainini wrote: Hi all Very good article about the "reality" versus "View of Politicians". I think we will have this discussion in Switzerland soon as well. I also recommend the article from C'T: http://www.heise.de/ct/Die-Argumente-fuer-Kinderporno-Sperren-laufen-ins-Leere--/artikel/135867 Have a nice weekend, kind regards, Pascal ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
