Re: R: [swinog] future of dsl
> IMHO there is no good solution to solve those issues with volume based > services. > You can just be generous to your customers like we do. Maybe we will hear > soon > how sunrise handles such cases on their ADSL services with dynamic IPs ;-) There are solutions, like force the user to use a socks 4/5 proxy you would provide and do the accounting on it. however, the user needs some knowledge... to configure its softwares.. and not all applications support that (or ignore the global Windows settings).. Pascal smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: R: [swinog] future of dsl
Hi, Cool. So, as a Networker or Sysadmin, it's three steps: 1. Offer customers volume based services 2. Install scripts to ping around randomly 3. Make lots of $$$ fast Sorry, gotta go talk to my boss... We've (ImproWare) got also a low entry Cablemodem product, which is volume based. You get the speed of 768/128 and 300MB MB Traffic included for 9.90.- Although we filter DOS-attacks and don't count ICMP traffic and all router advertisments etc, there is always the possibilty to get (unwanted) UDP traffic from the net. There is no real solution here, but if a customer detects such an attack we just delete those incidents and reassign the Megabytes. But remember there are also customers with open WLANs ... IMHO there is no good solution to solve those issues with volume based services. You can just be generous to your customers like we do. Maybe we will hear soon how sunrise handles such cases on their ADSL services with dynamic IPs ;-) Martin Martin Blapp, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ImproWare AG, UNIXSP & ISP, Zurlindenstrasse 29, 4133 Pratteln, CH Phone: +41 61 826 93 00 Fax: +41 61 826 93 01 PGP: PGP Fingerprint: B434 53FC C87C FE7B 0A18 B84C 8686 EF22 D300 551E -- ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: R: [swinog] future of dsl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Also, what traffic does count? All traffic? Cool, ruin your All traffic, since at the point where Swisscom is measuring, they actually already see L2TP traffic. And yes, above argument is valid for all volume based charging... Cool. So, as a Networker or Sysadmin, it's three steps: 1. Offer customers volume based services 2. Install scripts to ping around randomly 3. Make lots of $$$ fast Sorry, gotta go talk to my boss... CU, Venty ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: R: [swinog] future of dsl
> Also, what traffic does count? All traffic? Cool, ruin your All traffic, since at the point where Swisscom is measuring, they actually already see L2TP traffic. And yes, above argument is valid for all volume based charging... Cheers, Markus ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: R: [swinog] future of dsl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: The different is with analog Telephone Line you pay every Minute, if you are in the Internet... This you can have better on control. But The traffic. I think is not very easy... I make now a test at home... I have installed a counter on my PC and I'm looking, how mach of traffic the computer makes, without me... You must look Antivirus make every month min. 5-10 mb traffic. Windows Updates.. horror... Also, what traffic does count? All traffic? Cool, ruin your neighbour by ping-flooding him with ping -f -s 2048 or something. Or just IP? Hmm, well, SYN-Flood or UDP something. If it's only IP, there is an implementation of IP over ICMP called "ptunnel" which can be found here: http://www.cs.uit.no/~daniels/PingTunnel/ So what? I have almost no traffic whatsoever. And with that low bandwidth I don't care about tunneling all traffic to some proxy somewhere. The only problem for some users is to be able to use a suitable machine as a proxy but this could be whole new service to sell. =:-) CU, Venty ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: R: [swinog] future of dsl
The different is with analog Telephone Line you pay every Minute, if you are in the Internet... This you can have better on control. But The traffic. I think is not very easy... I make now a test at home... I have installed a counter on my PC and I'm looking, how mach of traffic the computer makes, without me... You must look Antivirus make every month min. 5-10 mb traffic. Windows Updates.. horror... En fact the Limit is Fr. 59.-- for the traffic. I think the most costumer are paying the Limit (total 69.--). For 150/50 is this verry expensive... For ADSL i think is the best way a flatrate... But I write tomorrow mornig what kind of trafic my computer is making... without makeing sometings. Greeting Xaver At Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:51:06 +0200, you wrote: >I don't think it's stupid. With a 56k modem you don't have any MB = >included at all, and you pay for traffic. Yes, you also pay when you = >install Windows Updates, McAfee updates or whatever. But if I were a = >"non-techie", I'd still prefer ADSL 150/50 instead of a 56k modem - = >because it's faster! *duh* > >At the end, you pay almost the same per hour like with a 56k modem = >(maybe something less) and you're faster. Again, this product wasn't = >thought for technical people, but for dial-up users who would like to = >get rid of the old, slow, noisy modem (yes, you can turn off the = >speaker, I know :-)) and maybe allow the husband to place a phone call = >while the wife plays Swiss Lotto, without needing ISDN. Is this so = >difficult? /methings ADSL Light was a great idea by Swisscom. Why does = >everything need to do Swisscom-bashing as a principle? > >Regards >Manuel >=20 > >-Messaggio originale- >Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di Alain Stucki >Inviato: venerd=EC, 22. luglio 2005 10:02 >A: swinog@swinog.ch >Oggetto: AW: [swinog] future of dsl > >That's exact my position. 20MB/month.. This is really stupid..=20 >20MB exhausted in a few days by reading your daily spam, some other = >mails with attached files and so on..=20 > >I think no one need ADSL with 20MB traffic limit, the good, old 56k = >modem is a much better solution for these "Gelegenheits-surfer" >No basic free, no traffic limit.. You pay exactly what you get.. > >Greetz >Alain > >___ >swinog mailing list >swinog@lists.swinog.ch >http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
