Re: [swinog] Full unbundling in Switzerland
On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Andre Oppermann wrote: We get full unbundling in Switzerland and interconnection on leased lines. However bitstream access will only be given for two years. What about the anti-spam part of the proposed changes to the law? Do you know whether this was accepted too? (it should, but you never know when politicians are at work...) - Felix -- Felix Rauch, http://www.nice.ch/~felix/ Member of Swiss Internet User Group (SIUG): http://www.siug.ch/ This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] [Fwd: [SIUG-discuss] FMG-Revision in der Herbstsession]
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, John Morgan Salomon wrote: [...] And I'm not 100% sure of the implications of article 13 and part 7 (privacy-related bits and bobs.) Will this imply that we get to sue '1337 h4x0rz? I'm also not sure why the commission and the Bundesamt need personal profiles. SIUG was strongly against this part in its answer [1]. Art. 45a seems like a two-edged sword. Does it mean that ISPs must filter mails or does it mean that they have to stop spammers from using their own network? - Felix [1] http://www.siug.ch/positionen/ (german) -- Felix Rauch, http://www.nice.ch/~felix/ Member of Swiss Internet User Group (SIUG): http://www.siug.ch/ This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Implementing SPF
On Wed, 4 Aug 2004, Tobias Orlamuende wrote: [...] So what happens when I set up everything but the sender of an email which should be accepted by one's MTA has no such record? I could imagine that this happens now and for the next month in about more than 90 percent of all mail which is received by one's MTA. Sure, one solution would be just to provide the records and not using it on MTA side, but one day you should use it (IMHO asap) and you can't be sure that all senders are providing it at this time. Seems like a chicken-egg-problem... I guess you can start to use SPF in an incremental way. At my new workplace the mailserver just adds an additional header entry to incoming mails and users are free to do with that whatever they want: Received-SPF: pass (seems reasonable for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to mail through xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) client_ip=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx envelope-from=[EMAIL PROTECTED] receiver=cse.unsw.edu.au I am free to refuse mails when an SPF-pass is missing, I can use it to add some score to a mail or I can completely ignore it (as I do for now...) - Felix -- Felix Rauch, http://www.nice.ch/~felix/ Member of Swiss Internet User Group (SIUG): http://www.siug.ch/ This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Re: separate Spam List?
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: I consider that some sort of [EMAIL PROTECTED] list should have at least all abuse desks of the large providers subscribed. But this would require a noise-free list. I agree that simple spam reports don't belong to [EMAIL PROTECTED], However, there should be a possibility to get in touch with providers that don't do anything against spam (for whatever reason). Personally, I think the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list is a place to get in touch with admins who should do something about spam, but not the place to discuss every spam issue. Such a place to get in contact with admins is important to the users within the anti-spam community. Whether there is a need for another list to discuss spam issues... that's something the admins (you) should decide. - Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. ___ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] FW: Kassensturz
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Folken wrote: And they'll probably scream for port filtering at provider level. Well, why not? (This is a serious question, I don't know if it's actually possible or financially sustainable.) (I have to add here that I didn't see the Kassensturz broadcasting) What if providers would block access from the outside to the ports most often used by viri, worms, script kiddies and spammers? Wouldn't that help to stop many of the problems we (users) currently have (viri and spammers abusing open home machines)? Of course it's important to remember the following two points: - Transparency: it should be very clearly stated *what* is blocked. - Openness: customers have the choice to turn off (or reconfigure) the filtering. With such a setup, the customers which don't know anything about the internet would be at least somewhat safer (depending on the implementation of the filtering), while the power users (which are able to maintain their machines) could have full internet access without filtering. I would be much interested in your opinions on that topic, since we from SIUG (Swiss Internet User Group [1]) might soon have the opportunity to write about the Spam-problem in the Infosociety Newsletter. Of course we are interested in background information and real experience from swiss ISPs. Regards, Felix [1] http://www.siug.ch/ -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] PGP Key Signing?
On Mit, Feb 04, 2004 at 14:50:56 +0100, Oliver Hitz wrote: I wonder if anybody is interested to sign PGP keys at the next SwiNOG meeting? You might want to contact Patrick Feisthammel, who maintains [1] and is experienced with PGP key signing sessions. He is also very well connected to the inner PGP web of trust. If you are interested, I could link you together... - Felix [1] http://www.rubin.ch/pgp/pgp.en.html -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] Forward: SPAM mit Werbung für Schneeballsystem
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, Michel Renfer wrote: Did anyone of you also see such SPAM for some sort of 'Schneeballsystem'? Did anyone know, if such spend-games are legal in switzerland? No, I haven't received such a mail recently. Personally i didn't think, that they are legal... The law seems pretty clear on this: Bundesgesetz betreffend die Lotterien und gewerbsmaessigen Wetten, SR 935.51: http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/935_51/a1.html (german) http://www.admin.ch/ch/f/rs/935_51/a1.html (french) Art. 1, Abs. 1: Die Lotterien sind verboten. And: Verordnung zum Bundesgesetz betreffend die Lotterien und gewerbsmaessigen Wetten, SR 935.511: http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/935_511/a43.html (german) http://www.admin.ch/ch/f/rs/935_511/a43.html (french) Art. 43: Den Lotterien sind gleichgestellt: 1. alle Veranstaltungen, bei denen das Schneeballsystem (Lawinen-, Hydra-, Gella- oder Multiplexsystem) zur Anwendung kommt. [...] Regards, Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
[swinog] Anybody from Telesonique here?
Is there anobody from Telesonique on this list? Your dialup-infrastructure is abused by the Horizon Business Corporation (famous Swiss spammer): [...] Received: from bluewin.ch (40-dialup.sonicsurf.ch [195.129.58.40]) by stinky.trash.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A57C6948EA; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:22:02 +0100 (MET) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Top: Alhokoltester zum Top-Preis! [...] Could you ban him please? - Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
[swinog] Netzticker about Swinog, green.ch abusing SWITCH database?
For your information (from www.netzticker.ch). - Felix -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:24:14 +0100 From: NetzwocheTicker Meldungen vom 11.11.2003 netzwocheticker /at\ stats.nextron.ch Subject: NetzwocheTicker Meldungen vom 11.11.2003 ++ News vom 11.11.2003 ++ [...] Missbrauchte Green.ch die SWITCH-Datenbank? Ein Post-Werbeversand von Green.ch für ADSL, Domain-Abonnements und Webdesign sorgt in der Mailingliste der Swiss Network Operators Group (SwiNOG) für Unmut: Einige Adressaten wollen ihren Eintrag in der Whois-Datenbank von SWITCH wiedererkannt haben. Den Listenthread gestartet hatte Fredy Künzler vom ISP Init Seven: Wir wurden mit 'Init Seven AG, Hostmaster' angeschrieben - eine Anschrift, wie sie nur bei SWITCH erfasst ist, erklärt Künzler auf Anfrage der Netzwoche. Sollten die im Postversand von Green..ch verwendeten Adressdaten tatsächlich aus der Switch-Datenbank stammen, wäre dies ein eklatanter Verstoss gegen die Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) von SWITCH, wo es in Ziffer 2 (Zulässige Nutzung) heisst: Der Benutzer darf Abfragen der Dienste nur für die folgenden Zwecke tätigen: die Prüfung, ob ein Domain-Name bereits registriert ist oder nicht; die Abfrage von Daten zu einem Domain-Namen zur Identifizierung des Domain-Namen-Halters. In Ziffer 3 werden schliesslich konkret kommerzielle Zwecke wie Adressenhandel, Werbezwecke, Marketingrecherchen als unzulässige Nutzung identifiziert. Green.ch-Chef Guido Honegger beteuert gegenüber der Netzwoche, keinesfalls wissentlich gegen die AUP verstossen zu haben: Wir kaufen wie jede andere Firma auch Adressen von externen Händlern. Ausschliessen, dass darunter die eine oder andere vom Adressanbieter unrechtmässig erworbene Adresse sein könnte, will er nicht. Green.ch werde der Sache aber nachgehen. Mehr dazu und zur Reaktion von SWITCH lesen Sie in der Netzwoche Nr. 41 von morgen. hhtp://www.switch.ch/de/id/terms/aup.html http://www.swinog.ch http://www.green.ch [...] -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch?
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Peter Baumann wrote: On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 09:10, Pascal Gloor wrote: Our official UVEK reference clock seems down since a few 10th of hours... anyone knows something? No, but I'll ask around here at ETHZ and let you know if I find out something. In the past I was using this source, since it is sometimes down I'm using now the following: ntp1.ptb.de and ntp2.ptb.de It would make more sense to use different timeservers from different places, at least for your server(s) (your clients can then use your own server(s)). E.g. I use the following (from /etc/ntp.conf): server swisstime.ethz.ch # Our server is the only machine using swisstime server time.inf.ethz.ch # D-INFK timeserver server time2.euro.apple.com server time.unizh.ch server metasweb01.admin.ch Regards, Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch?
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Pascal Gloor wrote: Our official UVEK reference clock seems down since a few 10th of hours... anyone knows something? The xntpd crashed, but now it's running again. - Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
[swinog] Tele2 Usenet admin?
Is there somebody from Tele2 responsible for the Usenet / Netnews server? I got word that your newsserver nntpserver.tele2.ch is WA out of date for the Swiss Usenet hierarchy (ch.*). Please note that you can find up-to-date information about swiss Usenet newsgroups on [1] or contact my directly. - Felix [1] http://www.use-net.ch/ -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] clock summer-time on Cisco?
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Roger Buchwalder wrote: maybe we may add this line: router(config)#ntp server swisstime.ethz.ch That's a stratum 1 time server and it doesn't make much sense if all machines use it. So, if you don't have a time server in your own network, I'd propose to use lower-stratum time servers, like e.g. time.inf.ethz.ch time.unizh.ch metasweb01.admin.ch - Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
[swinog] Entries on abuse.net
A member of SIUG noted that many swiss providers do not have an entry in the contact database of abuse.net. We think it would be good if the swiss providers represented on this list could update their entries to provide the e-mail address of their abuse-contacts to abuse.net. Please note that abuse.net is *not* a blacklist. abuse.net is a mere database which stores abuse-contacts for many domains and thereby provides a good method to contact abuse-masters. Other services such as spamcop also use the database of abuse.net. The database is open and public, it can be queried over the Web or with whois. More informations and methods to update entries can be found here: http://www.abuse.net/ Thanks and regards, Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] Überwachung des E-Mail-Verkehrs ...
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Andre Oppermann wrote: There are indeed discussions going on to institute a registration and identification requirement for all and also 'free' email accounts. Just like the stuff with prepaid mobile accounts. It's going to be interesting to see what happens to people with open SMTP relays. At least this requirement could be beneficial in the fight against spam: People with open SMTP relays are sent to jail... - Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] Swinog-6 - Too many participants
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Patrick Studer wrote: At the other hand, we have seen, that there are participants, which are not realy swiss network operators (i.E. Roche or Students). At some Swinog-meetings there was a person or two from SIUG, which were not necessarily network operators. As the cooperation between Swinog and SIUG has improved recently (e.g. regarding joint press releases or exchange of drafts for replies on proposed new laws), I wanted to ask whether it's ok for Swinog if 1-2 persons from SIUG join a Swinog-meeting from time to time. For SIUG its interesting to have some background information about recent developments e.g. on lawful interception and internet censorship. - Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
RE: [swinog] backbone solution spam
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Steven Glogger wrote: i told him, that his action was total illegal... but he didn't took notice of it.. Even though it's not legally binding you might want to point him to http://spam.trash.net/urteil2.html - Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] time stands still.
On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Steven Glogger wrote: try: time.ethz.ch swisstime has sometimes problems... iroot@idefix(~) ping time.ethz.ch PING weasel.ethz.ch (129.132.97.15) from 81.94.96.66 : 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from weasel-rz-fast.ethz.ch (129.132.97.15): icmp_seq=1 ttl=246 time=6.89 ms While time.ethz.ch is reachble with ping, it's still not what you want as a replacement for swisstime: node:~ ntptrace time.ethz.ch weasel-rz-fast.ethz.ch: stratum 16, offset 0.060622, synch distance 1.31931 0.0.0.0:*Not Synchronized* node:~ ntpq -c peers time remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter swisstime.ee.et 0.0.0.0 16 -- 6400.000 0.000 16000.0 This means that time.ethz.ch is using swisstime.ee.ethz.ch as its own timeserver... For our own server we use the following time servers (from /etc/ntp.conf): server swisstime.ethz.ch server time2.euro.apple.com server time.unizh.ch server time.inf.ethz.ch server metasweb01.admin.ch While we are at it: Wouldn't it be a good idea to have a stable timeserver at the center of the swiss internet, like e.g. time.tix.ch? HTH, Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] WG: [SIUG-discuss] [Netzticker] Websitesperrung:Provider-Chef verklagt
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Steven Glogger wrote: -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von Felix Rauch Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Februar 2003 14:43 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [SIUG-discuss] [Netzticker] Websitesperrung: Provider-Chef verklagt Aus dem Netzticker (http://www.netzticker.ch/): Minimal translation: Guido Honegger of green.ch has been sued because of disobedience as he did not block some internet-sites (you remember the letter from canton vaud). I guess he might not be the only one. Consequently, I propose to plan for Swinog-6 to take place in a prison in vaud. Most providers might be in proximity anyway. Who wants to reserve a few cells? - Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
[swinog] TV program Kassensturz looking for abusemaster
Allegedly the swiss german TV programm Kassensturz will soon bring a story about Spam in Switzerland. It seems that they are looking for a person from an abuse departement of a swiss provider. If you are such a person, please contact me. - Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
[swinog] Re: [swinog] [Fwd: Sperrverfügungen der Untersuchungsrichterin des Kantons Waadt - Muster für eine Einsprache]
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Thoma, Stefan wrote: FYI: AS6730 will do the (hopefully temp.) proxy/dns 'filtering' from tonight. For those doing the filtering: From a users perspective, it would be good if there was an understandable error message instead of technical messages like TCP connection timed out. So, will the filters state someting like Access to this page is denied by the Canton de Vaud, see http://www.nrg4u.com/abuse/canton-de-vaud.pdf;? - Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
