Re: [swinog] Reply-to: header [was: Re: WAN link provider]

2004-09-15 Thread Guido Roeskens
Hello,
top-reply is bad, so I'm reordering
Karim Saouli wrote:
Cheers,
K.
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On the Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 09:18:19PM +0100, Filip Mitev blubbered:
Hi.
Im new on this list, and i ask myself,
why they dont install a forum, where users could list their problem or
questions, etc

Nah. Webforums suck.
We'd rather have a Newsgroup or something then.
A newsgroup wouldn't be that bad; maybe gatewayed with the mailing list.
However, in newsgroups there are more trolls and the like.
CU, Venty

 Maybe because this list is not for lusers, but at least for semi
 qualified half gods? Or would that be bragging
 too much about ourselves?
 Simply because for geeks like the many of us, e-mail is the easiest,
 simplest and most portable format.
- E-Mail also works offline (I'm reading swinog in the train)
- in Forums WebBBs you have to go and look, klick here an there ...
  E-Mail just gets in my Inbox
- There is a mailing list archive which you can browse
  http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
  In my opinion this is similar to a Forum (even superior)
Guido
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Re: [swinog] Reply-to: header [was: Re: WAN link provider]

2004-09-15 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 15.09.2004 11:40 Guido Roeskens wrote:

 Hello,
 
 top-reply is bad, so I'm reordering
 

but you're doing it as well ;-)



Arnold

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Re: [swinog] Reply-to: header [was: Re: WAN link provider]

2004-09-14 Thread Viktor Steinmann
Agree with Daniel.

When replying on a mailing-list, I know, that my answer goes to the list. 
Don't change that.

Viktor

On Montag 13 September 2004 23.01, Daniel Lorch wrote:
 Hi

  It only generates confusion and embarrassment, and I think we should
  be able to rely on people being able to use their mailer's reply to
  all feature when they want to write followups.
 
  1000% ACK ... Don't patronise us!

 -1

 (I'm lazy, I like it this way)

 Daniel
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Re: [swinog] Reply-to: header [was: Re: WAN link provider]

2004-09-14 Thread Philippe Strauss
On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 08:19:30AM +0200, Viktor Steinmann wrote:
 Agree with Daniel.
 
 When replying on a mailing-list, I know, that my answer goes to the list. 
 Don't change that.
 
 Viktor

this reply-to fashion is relatively new.
when you want to go private with a participant of a thread and forget
to change the destination address, the consequence can be harmful.

it's a trade between regular laziness and the small risk of violating
some privacy.


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Re: [swinog] Reply-to: header [was: Re: WAN link provider]

2004-09-14 Thread Pascal Gloor
I've got something nice for ya guys, but let me first find it... must be
somewhere in my 234279304972089347 TeraBytes of mails.. (sounds like a big
garbage eh :-P)

..sshrrssshrr (sound of harddisk grepping...)

ah, got it! here it is (its a bit long, but read it, its quite funny and
true)


How many group/list posters does it take to change a light bulb?


1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the
light bulb could have been changed differently

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs

27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs

53 to flame the spell checkers

41 to correct spelling/grammar flames

6 to argue over whether it's lightbulb or light bulb

6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive

2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is lamp

15 know-it-alls who claim *they* were in the industry, and that light
bulb is perfectly correct

156 to email the participant's ISPs complaining that they are in
violation of their acceptable use policy

109 to post that this group is not about light bulbs and to please take
this discussion to a lightbulb group

203 to demand that cross posting to hardware forum, off-topic forum, and
lightbulb group about changing light bulbs be stopped

111 to defend the posting to this group saying that we all use light
bulbs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this group

306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to
buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this
technique and what brands are faulty

27 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs

14 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the
corrected URL's

3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to
this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group

33 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all
headers and signatures, and add Me too

12 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they
cannot handle the light bulb controversy

19 to quote the Me too's to say Me three

4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ

44 to ask what is a FAQ

4 to say didn't we go through this already a short time ago?

143 to say do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions
about light bulbs

1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and
start it all over again

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RE: [swinog] Reply-to: header [was: Re: WAN link provider]

2004-09-14 Thread Steven Glogger
well, actually you should know that just pressing reply the mail goes back
to the mailinglist.
(especially when you're subscribed for some years).

-steven

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 On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 08:19:30AM +0200, Viktor Steinmann wrote:
  Agree with Daniel.
 
  When replying on a mailing-list, I know, that my answer goes to
 the list.
  Don't change that.
 
  Viktor

 this reply-to fashion is relatively new.
 when you want to go private with a participant of a thread and forget
 to change the destination address, the consequence can be harmful.

 it's a trade between regular laziness and the small risk of violating
 some privacy.


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Re: [swinog] Reply-to: header [was: Re: WAN link provider]

2004-09-14 Thread Nicolas Strina
Hello,
A Newsgroup should be wicked !
Cu,
Nico
On the Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 09:18:19PM +0100, Filip Mitev blubbered:
Hi.
 

Im new on this list, and i ask myself, 
why they dont install a forum, where users could list their problem or 
questions, etc
   

Nah. Webforums suck. 
We'd rather have a Newsgroup or something then. 

CU, Venty
 

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Re: [swinog] Reply-to: header [was: Re: WAN link provider]

2004-09-13 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 13.09.2004 21:59 Simon Leinen wrote:

 So can we finally get rid of the Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] please?
 
 It only generates confusion and embarrassment, and I think we should
 be able to rely on people being able to use their mailer's reply to
 all feature when they want to write followups.

1000% ACK ... Don't patronise us!



Arnold

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Re: [swinog] Reply-to: header [was: Re: WAN link provider]

2004-09-13 Thread Daniel Lorch
Hi
It only generates confusion and embarrassment, and I think we should
be able to rely on people being able to use their mailer's reply to
all feature when they want to write followups.
1000% ACK ... Don't patronise us!
-1
(I'm lazy, I like it this way)
Daniel
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Re: [swinog] Reply-to: header [was: Re: WAN link provider]

2004-09-13 Thread Martin Ebnoether
On the Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 09:18:19PM +0100, Filip Mitev blubbered:

Hi.

 Im new on this list, and i ask myself, 
 why they dont install a forum, where users could list their problem or 
 questions, etc

Nah. Webforums suck. 
We'd rather have a Newsgroup or something then. 

CU, Venty

-- 
Es begann als sie mich anrief, da war ich gleich verlorn.
Ihre Stimme klang so zärtlich und so sanft in meinen Ohrn.
Sie schickte mir ein Foto, mein Herz blieb beinah stehn!
Sie sah aus wie zehn Pfund Pizza, und sie war wunderwunderschön...
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Re: [swinog] Reply-to: header [was: Re: WAN link provider]

2004-09-13 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 13.09.2004 23:24 Fredy Kuenzler wrote:

 We have the reply-to list since ages. About twice a year a meil goes
 wrong, and the embarrassment for the sender is punishment enough. I'd
 prefer it to leave it as it is, because reply-to-sender causes
 interruptions of the discussion.
 

1. We do this since ages is a killer argument :-(

2. There are loads of mailing-lists which don't use forced reply-to.
They all work pretty well. Without interruptions of the discussion :-)

3. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html



Arnold

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Re: [swinog] Reply-to: header [was: Re: WAN link provider]

2004-09-13 Thread Karim Saouli
Maybe because this list is not for lusers, but at least for semi qualified 
half gods? Or would that be bragging too much about ourselves?
Simply because for geeks like the many of us, e-mail is the easiest, 
simplest and most portable format.

Cheers,
K.
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Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [swinog] Reply-to: header [was: Re: WAN link provider]


On the Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 09:18:19PM +0100, Filip Mitev blubbered:
Hi.
Im new on this list, and i ask myself,
why they dont install a forum, where users could list their problem or
questions, etc
Nah. Webforums suck.
We'd rather have a Newsgroup or something then.
CU, Venty
--
Es begann als sie mich anrief, da war ich gleich verlorn.
Ihre Stimme klang so zärtlich und so sanft in meinen Ohrn.
Sie schickte mir ein Foto, mein Herz blieb beinah stehn!
Sie sah aus wie zehn Pfund Pizza, und sie war wunderwunderschön...
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