Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Jaak Ristioja]

On 02.06.20 03:22, Greg Hellings wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:57 PM Troy A. Griffitts 
> wrote:
>> Some of this delay is my fault.  The "unique per user" key recognition was
>> added to SWORD about 8 months or so and we haven't released a new official
>> stable branch yet.  trunk is pretty stable and I use it for Bishop
>> releases, but other frontends have policies to only use official stable
>> branch releases.  I must be remembering wrong, but I thought I heard
>> Bibletime reported it was working ok in their latest release so I thought
>> they were using trunk.
>>
> Bibletime compiles against trunk, I'm sure, as part of its testing matrix.
> But I don't believe it uses trunk for releases. I'm fairly sure your work
> on Bishop is the only one that leverages unreleased code other than the
> couple of immediately necessary patches that Karl mentioned I grabbed for
> Fedora repos.

Distros usually package a specific version of Sword, and we want
BibleTime to support at least the latest stable version of Sword and not
rely on features in SVN trunk. This also helps packagers. We might
consider using SVN trunk for snaps, flatpaks, Windows and OS X where we
have no other options but control the entire stack. In my opinion,
bundling libraries with BibleTime (binaries or source) is generally a
bad idea for multiple reasons, mostly related to packaging,
compatibility and security.

J
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Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Tobias Klein]

Hi Michael,

1. Is there any guidance as to when any app (Eloquent, Alkitab, 
Bibletime) that runs on Macos will be able to open NA28?


I've tested NA28 in Ezra Project and it seems to work! Ezra Project is 
available for macOS, Windows and Linux. Have a look at the last 
available release 0.12.2.


https://github.com/tobias-klein/ezra-project/releases/tag/0.12.2

2. Is there any plan to expand the 'view witnesses' feature in Bishop 
to any desktop app?  Is it already available in some app?


I could plan this for a future Ezra Project release. Would you mind 
creating an issue 
 describing the 
requirements?
In general there may be more original language features coming up in the 
future. I've also been using BibleWorks and I'd love to see some of its 
features in open source bible software!


Best regards,
Tobias
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Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Karl Kleinpaste]

On 6/1/20 8:41 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> Merging the Windows FileMgr patch you have been keeping for Xiphos
> into something build configurable.

Y'know, what that patch provides is something needed by virtually all
Sword apps.  Xiphos just ran into it headlong the hard way, way back
when 3.0 was first released, when a Spanish speaker wanted to review
Xiphos and it choked on startup because his login name (consequently his
home directory) is accented.  It's the filesystem UTF-16 thing.
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Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Troy A. Griffitts]

Great. Right. The final things I had on my to-do list for this release:

Renaming the __u64 style macros to something like SW_u64.

Merging the Windows FileMgr patch you have been keeping for Xiphos into 
something build configurable.

A large refactoring commit I have locally which completes the camelCase 
normalization of the public API but doesn't yet pass all unit tests. Need to 
debug and find what I missed.



On June 1, 2020 5:22:58 PM MST, Greg Hellings  wrote:
>On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:57 PM Troy A. Griffitts 
>wrote:
>
>> No, The DBG wanted to discourage sharing of license keys by creating
>> unique keys per user and embedding some part of the user's name in
>the key
>> to let them know their identity will be known if they share.  It is
>not
>> enforced to any particular OS login or anything.
>>
>> Some of this delay is my fault.  The "unique per user" key
>recognition was
>> added to SWORD about 8 months or so and we haven't released a new
>official
>> stable branch yet.  trunk is pretty stable and I use it for Bishop
>> releases, but other frontends have policies to only use official
>stable
>> branch releases.  I must be remembering wrong, but I thought I heard
>> Bibletime reported it was working ok in their latest release so I
>thought
>> they were using trunk.
>>
>Bibletime compiles against trunk, I'm sure, as part of its testing
>matrix.
>But I don't believe it uses trunk for releases. I'm fairly sure your
>work
>on Bishop is the only one that leverages unreleased code other than the
>couple of immediately necessary patches that Karl mentioned I grabbed
>for
>Fedora repos.
>
>Please, let's get our heads together to figure out how the release
>process
>needs to go for 1.9 and let's make it happen!
>
>--Greg
>
>> I am not sure what Xiphos is using for their new release.
>>
>> Troy
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/1/20 1:53 PM, Michael H wrote:
>>
>> I tried the license in Bibletime 3.0, and it fails to authorize.
>>
>> I've tried to authorize the NA28 on Alkitab Bible Study 4.0 (Build
>> 20200510) and it fails to authorize.
>>
>> I haven't figured out how to install the latest Xiphos yet (on an
>> Ubuntu 18.04 system running Cinnamon desktop... still waiting the
>20.04 to
>> drop.) The version I have it seemed to authorize (it never said
>> 'successful' or 'failed' that I saw, just removed the authorization
>box
>> after a long time.) But then shows no verse text.
>>
>> On my Linux Desktop and my Mac Desktop, I don't put my full
>credentials
>> into the login user profile (usually just my last initial or less
>than the
>> complete name.) Could this be causing a registration error?  I've
>never
>> seen any user setup on Bibletime or any Sword program, but I did note
>that
>> the license is obviously trying to look like it's based on my name. I
>> didn't see any warning about what it would validate against, but then
>it's
>> been 30 plus years since my German was tested beyond yes or no.
>>
>> In Bishop, it works and I don't see any issues.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:27 PM Troy A. Griffitts
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> Our online study tools have some linkage to the NTVMR.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>http://crosswire.org/study/parallelstudy.jsp?del=all=KJV=TR=Treg=NASB
>>>
>>> Click on a word, then click: show textual evidence.
>>>
>>> It also has the Manuscript Coverage tab which gets its data from
>Münster,
>>> as well. That tab has a nice slider on the right to adjust the data
>by
>>> century. Hover over a cell and you'll get details with direct links
>into
>>> the NTVMR at for the witness and taken directly to the chapter.
>>>
>>> I don't know of other desktop apps who has added any integration,
>but
>>> Bishop's code is really simple here and would act as a good example:
>>>
>>> See: the method in verseStudy:
>>> variantGraph
>>> witnessStudy
>>> alignmentTable
>>> dECMApp
>>>
>>> Those will give you all the functions available from Bishop.
>witnessStudy
>>> sounds like the one you're after.
>>>
>>> Regarding the NA28, I believe Bibletime reported things working well
>and
>>> I heard Karl was releasing (released?) a new version of Xiphos which
>should
>>> work too.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>
>>> Troy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On June 1, 2020 1:04:42 PM MST, Michael H  wrote:

 Apparently BibleWorks fell apart last fall. Bibleworks had features
 similar to Bishop where from an open verse at least some manuscript
>images
 were available for view directly to that verse. This made it
>popular with
 Biblical Criticism folks.

 In a facebook group dedicated to Bible Criticism (reading the
 manuscripts, developing a 'critical text') the Question was posed
>'what to
 use besides Bibleworks?' I mentioned the NA28 is available for
>licensing to
 open on Crosswire apps, and I mentioned that Bishop has a direct
>tie in to
 the new testament manuscript room.

 1. Is there any guidance as to when any app (Eloquent, Alkitab,
 Bibletime) that runs on Macos will 

Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Greg Hellings]

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:57 PM Troy A. Griffitts 
wrote:

> No, The DBG wanted to discourage sharing of license keys by creating
> unique keys per user and embedding some part of the user's name in the key
> to let them know their identity will be known if they share.  It is not
> enforced to any particular OS login or anything.
>
> Some of this delay is my fault.  The "unique per user" key recognition was
> added to SWORD about 8 months or so and we haven't released a new official
> stable branch yet.  trunk is pretty stable and I use it for Bishop
> releases, but other frontends have policies to only use official stable
> branch releases.  I must be remembering wrong, but I thought I heard
> Bibletime reported it was working ok in their latest release so I thought
> they were using trunk.
>
Bibletime compiles against trunk, I'm sure, as part of its testing matrix.
But I don't believe it uses trunk for releases. I'm fairly sure your work
on Bishop is the only one that leverages unreleased code other than the
couple of immediately necessary patches that Karl mentioned I grabbed for
Fedora repos.

Please, let's get our heads together to figure out how the release process
needs to go for 1.9 and let's make it happen!

--Greg

> I am not sure what Xiphos is using for their new release.
>
> Troy
>
>
>
> On 6/1/20 1:53 PM, Michael H wrote:
>
> I tried the license in Bibletime 3.0, and it fails to authorize.
>
> I've tried to authorize the NA28 on Alkitab Bible Study 4.0 (Build
> 20200510) and it fails to authorize.
>
> I haven't figured out how to install the latest Xiphos yet (on an
> Ubuntu 18.04 system running Cinnamon desktop... still waiting the 20.04 to
> drop.) The version I have it seemed to authorize (it never said
> 'successful' or 'failed' that I saw, just removed the authorization box
> after a long time.) But then shows no verse text.
>
> On my Linux Desktop and my Mac Desktop, I don't put my full credentials
> into the login user profile (usually just my last initial or less than the
> complete name.) Could this be causing a registration error?  I've never
> seen any user setup on Bibletime or any Sword program, but I did note that
> the license is obviously trying to look like it's based on my name. I
> didn't see any warning about what it would validate against, but then it's
> been 30 plus years since my German was tested beyond yes or no.
>
> In Bishop, it works and I don't see any issues.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:27 PM Troy A. Griffitts 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> Our online study tools have some linkage to the NTVMR.
>>
>>
>> http://crosswire.org/study/parallelstudy.jsp?del=all=KJV=TR=Treg=NASB
>>
>> Click on a word, then click: show textual evidence.
>>
>> It also has the Manuscript Coverage tab which gets its data from Münster,
>> as well. That tab has a nice slider on the right to adjust the data by
>> century. Hover over a cell and you'll get details with direct links into
>> the NTVMR at for the witness and taken directly to the chapter.
>>
>> I don't know of other desktop apps who has added any integration, but
>> Bishop's code is really simple here and would act as a good example:
>>
>> See: the method in verseStudy:
>> variantGraph
>> witnessStudy
>> alignmentTable
>> dECMApp
>>
>> Those will give you all the functions available from Bishop. witnessStudy
>> sounds like the one you're after.
>>
>> Regarding the NA28, I believe Bibletime reported things working well and
>> I heard Karl was releasing (released?) a new version of Xiphos which should
>> work too.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Troy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On June 1, 2020 1:04:42 PM MST, Michael H  wrote:
>>>
>>> Apparently BibleWorks fell apart last fall. Bibleworks had features
>>> similar to Bishop where from an open verse at least some manuscript images
>>> were available for view directly to that verse. This made it popular with
>>> Biblical Criticism folks.
>>>
>>> In a facebook group dedicated to Bible Criticism (reading the
>>> manuscripts, developing a 'critical text') the Question was posed 'what to
>>> use besides Bibleworks?' I mentioned the NA28 is available for licensing to
>>> open on Crosswire apps, and I mentioned that Bishop has a direct tie in to
>>> the new testament manuscript room.
>>>
>>> 1. Is there any guidance as to when any app (Eloquent, Alkitab,
>>> Bibletime) that runs on Macos will be able to open NA28?
>>>
>>> 2. Is there any plan to expand the 'view witnesses' feature in Bishop to
>>> any desktop app?  Is it already available in some app?
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 7:24 PM Tom Sullivan 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Y'all:

 I finally got around to getting NA28, having had NA26 and 7 for a long
 time. I downloaded a key and Xiphos appears to have put it in the conf
 file correctly - it matches my downloaded text.

 But xiphos displays no text, only chapters and so on
 Bibletime asks for a key each time, but displays the key, then crashes
 on OK.
 

Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Karl Kleinpaste]

On 6/1/20 4:56 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>
> I am not sure what Xiphos is using for their new release.
>

Greg has produced sword-1.8.1-19 for Fedora & similar, which is (I
understand) 1.8.1 plus a few recent patches, mostly obviously to bring
in the no-self-closing-div patch.  Yes, we could use a new, real Sword
release.
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Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Troy A. Griffitts]

No, The DBG wanted to discourage sharing of license keys by creating
unique keys per user and embedding some part of the user's name in the
key to let them know their identity will be known if they share.  It is
not enforced to any particular OS login or anything.

Some of this delay is my fault.  The "unique per user" key recognition
was added to SWORD about 8 months or so and we haven't released a new
official stable branch yet.  trunk is pretty stable and I use it for
Bishop releases, but other frontends have policies to only use official
stable branch releases.  I must be remembering wrong, but I thought I
heard Bibletime reported it was working ok in their latest release so I
thought they were using trunk.

I am not sure what Xiphos is using for their new release.

Troy



On 6/1/20 1:53 PM, Michael H wrote:
> I tried the license in Bibletime 3.0, and it fails to authorize.  
>
> I've tried to authorize the NA28 on Alkitab Bible Study 4.0 (Build
> 20200510) and it fails to authorize. 
>
> I haven't figured out how to install the latest Xiphos yet (on an
> Ubuntu 18.04 system running Cinnamon desktop... still waiting
> the 20.04 to drop.) The version I have it seemed to authorize (it
> never said 'successful' or 'failed' that I saw, just removed the
> authorization box after a long time.) But then shows no verse text. 
>  
> On my Linux Desktop and my Mac Desktop, I don't put my full
> credentials into the login user profile (usually just my last
> initial or less than the complete name.) Could this be causing a
> registration error?  I've never seen any user setup on Bibletime or
> any Sword program, but I did note that the license is obviously trying
> to look like it's based on my name. I didn't see any warning about
> what it would validate against, but then it's been 30 plus years since
> my German was tested beyond yes or no. 
>
> In Bishop, it works and I don't see any issues. 
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:27 PM Troy A. Griffitts  > wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> Our online study tools have some linkage to the NTVMR.
>
> 
> http://crosswire.org/study/parallelstudy.jsp?del=all=KJV=TR=Treg=NASB
>
> Click on a word, then click: show textual evidence.
>
> It also has the Manuscript Coverage tab which gets its data from
> Münster, as well. That tab has a nice slider on the right to
> adjust the data by century. Hover over a cell and you'll get
> details with direct links into the NTVMR at for the witness and
> taken directly to the chapter.
>
> I don't know of other desktop apps who has added any integration,
> but Bishop's code is really simple here and would act as a good
> example:
>
> See: the method in verseStudy:
> variantGraph
> witnessStudy
> alignmentTable
> dECMApp
>
> Those will give you all the functions available from Bishop.
> witnessStudy sounds like the one you're after.
>
> Regarding the NA28, I believe Bibletime reported things working
> well and I heard Karl was releasing (released?) a new version of
> Xiphos which should work too.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Troy
>
>
>
>
> On June 1, 2020 1:04:42 PM MST, Michael H  > wrote:
>
> Apparently BibleWorks fell apart last fall. Bibleworks had
> features similar to Bishop where from an open verse at least
> some manuscript images were available for view directly to
> that verse. This made it popular with Biblical Criticism folks. 
>
> In a facebook group dedicated to Bible Criticism (reading the
> manuscripts, developing a 'critical text') the Question was
> posed 'what to use besides Bibleworks?' I mentioned the NA28
> is available for licensing to open on Crosswire apps, and I
> mentioned that Bishop has a direct tie in to the new testament
> manuscript room. 
>
> 1. Is there any guidance as to when any app (Eloquent,
> Alkitab, Bibletime) that runs on Macos will be able to open NA28? 
>
> 2. Is there any plan to expand the 'view witnesses' feature in
> Bishop to any desktop app?  Is it already available in some app?
>
> On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 7:24 PM Tom Sullivan
> mailto:i...@beforgiven.info>> wrote:
>
> Y'all:
>
> I finally got around to getting NA28, having had NA26 and
> 7 for a long
> time. I downloaded a key and Xiphos appears to have put it
> in the conf
> file correctly - it matches my downloaded text.
>
> But xiphos displays no text, only chapters and so on
> Bibletime asks for a key each time, but displays the key,
> then crashes
> on OK.
> BibleDesktop also shows no text.
>
> Any ideas anyone?
>
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Tom Sullivan
> i...@beforgiven.info
>   

Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Michael H]

I tried the license in Bibletime 3.0, and it fails to authorize.

I've tried to authorize the NA28 on Alkitab Bible Study 4.0 (Build
20200510) and it fails to authorize.

I haven't figured out how to install the latest Xiphos yet (on an
Ubuntu 18.04 system running Cinnamon desktop... still waiting the 20.04 to
drop.) The version I have it seemed to authorize (it never said
'successful' or 'failed' that I saw, just removed the authorization box
after a long time.) But then shows no verse text.

On my Linux Desktop and my Mac Desktop, I don't put my full credentials
into the login user profile (usually just my last initial or less than the
complete name.) Could this be causing a registration error?  I've never
seen any user setup on Bibletime or any Sword program, but I did note that
the license is obviously trying to look like it's based on my name. I
didn't see any warning about what it would validate against, but then it's
been 30 plus years since my German was tested beyond yes or no.

In Bishop, it works and I don't see any issues.


On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:27 PM Troy A. Griffitts 
wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> Our online study tools have some linkage to the NTVMR.
>
>
> http://crosswire.org/study/parallelstudy.jsp?del=all=KJV=TR=Treg=NASB
>
> Click on a word, then click: show textual evidence.
>
> It also has the Manuscript Coverage tab which gets its data from Münster,
> as well. That tab has a nice slider on the right to adjust the data by
> century. Hover over a cell and you'll get details with direct links into
> the NTVMR at for the witness and taken directly to the chapter.
>
> I don't know of other desktop apps who has added any integration, but
> Bishop's code is really simple here and would act as a good example:
>
> See: the method in verseStudy:
> variantGraph
> witnessStudy
> alignmentTable
> dECMApp
>
> Those will give you all the functions available from Bishop. witnessStudy
> sounds like the one you're after.
>
> Regarding the NA28, I believe Bibletime reported things working well and I
> heard Karl was releasing (released?) a new version of Xiphos which should
> work too.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Troy
>
>
>
>
> On June 1, 2020 1:04:42 PM MST, Michael H  wrote:
>>
>> Apparently BibleWorks fell apart last fall. Bibleworks had features
>> similar to Bishop where from an open verse at least some manuscript images
>> were available for view directly to that verse. This made it popular with
>> Biblical Criticism folks.
>>
>> In a facebook group dedicated to Bible Criticism (reading the
>> manuscripts, developing a 'critical text') the Question was posed 'what to
>> use besides Bibleworks?' I mentioned the NA28 is available for licensing to
>> open on Crosswire apps, and I mentioned that Bishop has a direct tie in to
>> the new testament manuscript room.
>>
>> 1. Is there any guidance as to when any app (Eloquent, Alkitab,
>> Bibletime) that runs on Macos will be able to open NA28?
>>
>> 2. Is there any plan to expand the 'view witnesses' feature in Bishop to
>> any desktop app?  Is it already available in some app?
>>
>> On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 7:24 PM Tom Sullivan  wrote:
>>
>>> Y'all:
>>>
>>> I finally got around to getting NA28, having had NA26 and 7 for a long
>>> time. I downloaded a key and Xiphos appears to have put it in the conf
>>> file correctly - it matches my downloaded text.
>>>
>>> But xiphos displays no text, only chapters and so on
>>> Bibletime asks for a key each time, but displays the key, then crashes
>>> on OK.
>>> BibleDesktop also shows no text.
>>>
>>> Any ideas anyone?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --
>>> Tom Sullivan
>>> i...@beforgiven.info
>>> FAX: 815-301-2835
>>>
>>>
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Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Troy A. Griffitts]

Hi Michael,

Our online study tools have some linkage to the NTVMR.

http://crosswire.org/study/parallelstudy.jsp?del=all=KJV=TR=Treg=NASB

Click on a word, then click: show textual evidence.

It also has the Manuscript Coverage tab which gets its data from Münster, as 
well. That tab has a nice slider on the right to adjust the data by century. 
Hover over a cell and you'll get details with direct links into the NTVMR at 
for the witness and taken directly to the chapter.

I don't know of other desktop apps who has added any integration, but Bishop's 
code is really simple here and would act as a good example:

See: the method in verseStudy:
variantGraph
witnessStudy
alignmentTable
dECMApp

Those will give you all the functions available from Bishop. witnessStudy 
sounds like the one you're after.

Regarding the NA28, I believe Bibletime reported things working well and I 
heard Karl was releasing (released?) a new version of Xiphos which should work 
too.

Hope this helps,

Troy




On June 1, 2020 1:04:42 PM MST, Michael H  wrote:
>Apparently BibleWorks fell apart last fall. Bibleworks had features
>similar
>to Bishop where from an open verse at least some manuscript images were
>available for view directly to that verse. This made it popular with
>Biblical Criticism folks.
>
>In a facebook group dedicated to Bible Criticism (reading the
>manuscripts,
>developing a 'critical text') the Question was posed 'what to use
>besides
>Bibleworks?' I mentioned the NA28 is available for licensing to open on
>Crosswire apps, and I mentioned that Bishop has a direct tie in to the
>new
>testament manuscript room.
>
>1. Is there any guidance as to when any app (Eloquent, Alkitab,
>Bibletime)
>that runs on Macos will be able to open NA28?
>
>2. Is there any plan to expand the 'view witnesses' feature in Bishop
>to
>any desktop app?  Is it already available in some app?
>
>On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 7:24 PM Tom Sullivan 
>wrote:
>
>> Y'all:
>>
>> I finally got around to getting NA28, having had NA26 and 7 for a
>long
>> time. I downloaded a key and Xiphos appears to have put it in the
>conf
>> file correctly - it matches my downloaded text.
>>
>> But xiphos displays no text, only chapters and so on
>> Bibletime asks for a key each time, but displays the key, then
>crashes
>> on OK.
>> BibleDesktop also shows no text.
>>
>> Any ideas anyone?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Tom Sullivan
>> i...@beforgiven.info
>> FAX: 815-301-2835
>>
>>
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Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Michael H]

Apparently BibleWorks fell apart last fall. Bibleworks had features similar
to Bishop where from an open verse at least some manuscript images were
available for view directly to that verse. This made it popular with
Biblical Criticism folks.

In a facebook group dedicated to Bible Criticism (reading the manuscripts,
developing a 'critical text') the Question was posed 'what to use besides
Bibleworks?' I mentioned the NA28 is available for licensing to open on
Crosswire apps, and I mentioned that Bishop has a direct tie in to the new
testament manuscript room.

1. Is there any guidance as to when any app (Eloquent, Alkitab, Bibletime)
that runs on Macos will be able to open NA28?

2. Is there any plan to expand the 'view witnesses' feature in Bishop to
any desktop app?  Is it already available in some app?

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 7:24 PM Tom Sullivan  wrote:

> Y'all:
>
> I finally got around to getting NA28, having had NA26 and 7 for a long
> time. I downloaded a key and Xiphos appears to have put it in the conf
> file correctly - it matches my downloaded text.
>
> But xiphos displays no text, only chapters and so on
> Bibletime asks for a key each time, but displays the key, then crashes
> on OK.
> BibleDesktop also shows no text.
>
> Any ideas anyone?
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Tom Sullivan
> i...@beforgiven.info
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Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Troy A. Griffitts]

Thanks, Karl. I'll issues an update to the NA28 module to fix the intro 
material at the end of each book. I'll have a look at the filters to see why 
robinson is bleeding through. Thank you for the feedback.

Troy

On May 3, 2020 6:02:52 AM MST, Karl Kleinpaste  wrote:
>On 5/3/20 7:44 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
>> I had not noticed until now that
>
>Troy, I see more troublesome content in NA28.
>
>At the end of every book, the last verse includes a pile of markup that
>ultimately introduces the next book.  Consider the source content of
>Matt.28.20, the portion following the last actual word of the verse,
>αἰῶνος.  I've added some boldface.
>
>⸆   n="2" type="book">  id="OT-PB-88" n="88"/>** •
>20 
>⸉א D
>   |from="OTA-B1K28V20-43" to="OTA-B1K28V20-43"> ⸆ type="plus"> αμην  Ac K Γ Δ Θ
>f¹³ 565. 579. 700. 892. 1241. 1424 픐 it
>vgmss sy bopt   class="bold">¦ rend="italic">txt  א
>A* B D W f¹ 33. class="italic">l 844. l 2211 lat sa
>mae bopt**   type="book" n="2" id="AP-B2"> *Mark* type="chapter" n="0" id="AP-B2K0"> 
>
>Now, this content is in Matt.28.20 itself.  That means, when an app
>like
>Xiphos asks for it, it's going to get this stuff.  The verse proper
>ends
>with αἰῶνος, but then all this stuff happens after, and it's intro
>material for the next book.  If it belongs anywhere, it belongs in
>Mark.0.0.  The display in Xiphos looks dumb because now the end of
>every
>book has a free-standing /*n/ marker and the next book name occurring
>within the current book.  There isn't anything I can do about it.
>
>I don't even want to know what that "⸆" at the top is about.
>
>No idea what can be done about this markup at this point, but you need
>to be aware that it looks wrong.

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Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Karl Kleinpaste]

On 5/3/20 7:44 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
> I had not noticed until now that

Troy, I see more troublesome content in NA28.

At the end of every book, the last verse includes a pile of markup that
ultimately introduces the next book.  Consider the source content of
Matt.28.20, the portion following the last actual word of the verse,
αἰῶνος.  I've added some boldface.

⸆     ** •
20 
⸉א D
   | ⸆  αμην  Ac K Γ Δ Θ
f¹³ 565. 579. 700. 892. 1241. 1424 픐 it
vgmss sy bopt   ¦ txt  א
A* B D W f¹ 33. l 844. l 2211 lat sa
mae bopt**    *Mark*  

Now, this content is in Matt.28.20 itself.  That means, when an app like
Xiphos asks for it, it's going to get this stuff.  The verse proper ends
with αἰῶνος, but then all this stuff happens after, and it's intro
material for the next book.  If it belongs anywhere, it belongs in
Mark.0.0.  The display in Xiphos looks dumb because now the end of every
book has a free-standing /*n/ marker and the next book name occurring
within the current book.  There isn't anything I can do about it.

I don't even want to know what that "⸆" at the top is about.

No idea what can be done about this markup at this point, but you need
to be aware that it looks wrong.
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Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Tom Sullivan]

Y'all:

Thank you for your replies. I am quite willing to wait for releases of 
Sword, Xiphos and so on. (I use only an old computer running Linux 
Debian, not any mobile "devices," so I do not know about Bishop, iOS, 
etc.) Thanks again.


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Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Karl Kleinpaste]

On 5/2/20 8:17 PM, Tom Sullivan wrote:
> I downloaded a key and Xiphos appears to have put it in the conf file
> correctly - it matches my downloaded text.
> But xiphos displays no text, only chapters and so on 

FWIW, Xiphos in its about-to-be-released 4.2 plus latest Sword (SVN
3727) displays NA28 displays fine.  We'll be announcing new Xiphos
sometime Real Soon Now.

That said... Troy, I had not noticed until now that there exists
pre-book material in NA28 (Matt.0.0, inscription), and it does not
display properly.  I see it in mod2imp, but it is absent in Xiphos'
display other than for a footnote marker /*n/ with no referent content,
and diatheke confirms its absencein XHTML output. The content as seen
from mod2imp is marked as a footnote of type "variant" and I wonder if
there is no transform that outputs it.

$ diatheke -b NA28 -o fsmhalswi -f xhtml -k matt.0.0

 [ CSS styles removed
]Matthew 0:0: *n  
(NA28)


Also, the word "robinson" is bleeding through morphology output.  If
your use of grep gives match highlight, try this to see how it shows up:

$ diatheke -b NA28 -o fnmhalswi -f xhtml -k 1tim.3.1 | grep value=robinson

Looks like it's caused by a source markupdifference between "robinson
strongsMorph:XXX" and just "robinson:XXX".
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Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[David Haslam]

This underlined the need and urgency for PocketSword development to continue. 
It’s also 2 years since PS 1.4.8 was released to support iOS 10 and 64-bit.

Apple is about to release iOS & iPadOS 13.4.2

Regards,

David

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On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 03:19, Troy A. Griffitts  wrote:

> Hi Tom,
> Your frontend needs a fairly new version of SWORD to support the unlock codes 
> from the German Bible Society. I believe Xiphos is planning a release soon. 
> Alternatively you can build Xiphos against SWORD trunk. Your key should work 
> in Bishop for both Android and Apple. I have no idea what Bibletime is doing. 
> You'll need to ask their team.
>
> My apologies frontends aren't caught up yet. It's likely due to my delay in a 
> SWORD release with the latest unlock code and their rightful reluctance to 
> release a build against SVN trunk.
>
> On May 2, 2020 5:17:31 PM MST, Tom Sullivan  wrote:
>
>> Y'all:
>>
>> I finally got around to getting NA28, having had NA26 and 7 for a long
>>
>> time. I downloaded a key and Xiphos appears to have put it in the conf
>>
>> file correctly - it matches my downloaded text.
>>
>> But xiphos displays no text, only chapters and so on
>>
>> Bibletime asks for a key each time, but displays the key, then crashes
>>
>> on OK.
>>
>> BibleDesktop also shows no text.
>>
>> Any ideas anyone?
>>
>> Thanks,
>
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Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Kahunapule Michael Johnson]

Yes, indeed. It is in my work queue, to follow SILE integration with Haiola for 
PDF generation.

On 5/2/20 7:51 PM, David Haslam wrote:
> This underlined the need and urgency for PocketSword development to continue. 
> It’s also 2 years since PS 1.4.8 was released to support iOS 10 and 64-bit.
>
> Apple is about to release iOS & iPadOS 13.4.2
>
> Regards,
>
> David
>
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
> On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 03:19, Troy A. Griffitts  > wrote:
>> Hi Tom,
>> Your frontend needs a fairly new version of SWORD to support the unlock 
>> codes from the German Bible Society. I believe Xiphos is planning a release 
>> soon. Alternatively you can build Xiphos against SWORD trunk. Your key 
>> should work in Bishop for both Android and Apple. I have no idea what 
>> Bibletime is doing. You'll need to ask their team.
>>
>> My apologies frontends aren't caught up yet. It's likely due to my delay in 
>> a SWORD release with the latest unlock code and their rightful reluctance to 
>> release a build against SVN trunk.
>>
>> On May 2, 2020 5:17:31 PM MST, Tom Sullivan  wrote:
>>
>> Y'all:
>>
>> I finally got around to getting NA28, having had NA26 and 7 for a long 
>> time. I downloaded a key and Xiphos appears to have put it in the conf 
>> file correctly - it matches my downloaded text.
>>
>> But xiphos displays no text, only chapters and so on
>> Bibletime asks for a key each time, but displays the key, then crashes 
>> on OK.
>> BibleDesktop also shows no text.
>>
>> Any ideas anyone?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>

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Re: [sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Troy A. Griffitts]

Hi Tom,
Your frontend needs a fairly new version of SWORD to support the unlock codes 
from the German Bible Society. I believe Xiphos is planning a release soon. 
Alternatively you can build Xiphos against SWORD trunk. Your key should work in 
Bishop for both Android and Apple. I have no idea what Bibletime is doing. 
You'll need to ask their team.

My apologies frontends aren't caught up yet. It's likely due to my delay in a 
SWORD release with the latest unlock code and their rightful reluctance to 
release a build against SVN trunk.

On May 2, 2020 5:17:31 PM MST, Tom Sullivan  wrote:
>Y'all:
>
>I finally got around to getting NA28, having had NA26 and 7 for a long 
>time. I downloaded a key and Xiphos appears to have put it in the conf 
>file correctly - it matches my downloaded text.
>
>But xiphos displays no text, only chapters and so on
>Bibletime asks for a key each time, but displays the key, then crashes 
>on OK.
>BibleDesktop also shows no text.
>
>Any ideas anyone?
>
>Thanks,
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[sword-devel] NA28 shows no verses

[Tom Sullivan]

Y'all:

I finally got around to getting NA28, having had NA26 and 7 for a long 
time. I downloaded a key and Xiphos appears to have put it in the conf 
file correctly - it matches my downloaded text.


But xiphos displays no text, only chapters and so on
Bibletime asks for a key each time, but displays the key, then crashes 
on OK.

BibleDesktop also shows no text.

Any ideas anyone?

Thanks,
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