Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Michael Johnson]

On 3/12/19 8:58 PM, Tobias Klein wrote:
> Regarding the "repeatable conversion process". I think a key is that this 
> conversion process does not have to be re-invented for each and every single 
> copyright holder.
> If I understood the "Digital Bible Library" correctly, they do have the data 
> of all the major copyright holders in their database and they do offer a 
> technical interface (REST API) to access that data in a standard way. So, 
> once the negotiations are there, the same "conversion script" could be used 
> for any of the copyright holders (in theory at least). And that could 
> dramatically reduce the technical work necessary to work with multiple 
> copyright holders.

Yes, indeed! All of the DBL texts are in .zip files with USX files in bundles. 
Start with making sure you can process the bundles with open access licenses, 
since you can access those, now. I do that with Haiola (https://Haiola.org), 
which is free and open source, but not the most user friendly software 
available.

>
> Thanks for encouraging me to start with one specific copyright holder, that's 
> what I was thinking. I may start with the German Bible Society then.
Sounds good. I would encourage you to make sure your technical processes are in 
place before starting, though, so that you can act quickly when you get 
permission.

And, if you get rejected, don't give up too easily, but try to learn and move 
on...

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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Tobias Klein]

Thanks Troy and thanks Michael for your detailed responses! I realize 
that the discussion as such is not new and you must have spent a lot of 
time already in the past on this.


The point about a 3rd party selling locked sword modules with the result 
that support questions are getting back to the publisher or CrossWire is 
a valid concern/risk.
I guess it could be mitigated to some extent by good communication in 
the context of the download/payment process.



We're happy to distribute the enciphered module for them, they simply need to
sell the unlock key from their website.  This is our current policy with
copyright holders.  I haven't had any copyright holder say they are not
interested in this process.  There may not be a problem to solve, just
work to do.


I guess 2 options would be valid here:

1) Either they sell the keys,

2) or if they are not ready for this (for whatever reason) the keys 
could be sold by a non-profit organization.



Regarding the "repeatable conversion process". I think a key is that 
this conversion process does not have to be re-invented for each and 
every single copyright holder.
If I understood the "Digital Bible Library" correctly, they do have the 
data of all the major copyright holders in their database and they do 
offer a technical interface (REST API) to access that data in a standard 
way. So, once the negotiations are there, the same "conversion script" 
could be used for any of the copyright holders (in theory at least). And 
that could dramatically reduce the technical work necessary to work with 
multiple copyright holders.


Thanks for encouraging me to start with one specific copyright holder, 
that's what I was thinking. I may start with the German Bible Society then.


I'm not at the point where I'm like "Let's do it!!". I'm exploring the 
requirements and conditions for success. I will have to pray about it. 
It's a lot of work, I realize that. And I'm not sure whether I'm ready 
for this, yet.


Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it!

Best regards,
Tobias


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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Michael Johnson]

For what it is worth (probably not much), I have a repeatable conversion script 
from Lockman markup (latest edition), and have converted the NASB 1995, the 
Amplified Bible, and 2 of their Spanish translations to Sword format and 
Browser Bible format. I threw the former away, for lack of permission to 
publish, and posted the latter on https://eBible.org/study/ and 
https://cyber.Bible/study/. The impression I got from Pike Lambeth was that the 
long delays and history with CrossWire had kind of soured things,
so I just dropped it with him and thanked him for the permission I got, which 
was only for those two specific web sites and that particular format. Anyway, 
the moral to this story is that we should not waste Bible copyright owner's 
time or promise to do something we cannot deliver in a timely manner.

I appreciate the ability to display a proprietary translation alongside the 
others on the same web page, but honestly, it kind of leaves me filling empty 
compared to what you can do with the freely distributable and sharable Bible 
translations that are Public Domain, Creative Commons licensed, or otherwise 
explicitly permitted for use in all Bible study apps and formats.

On 3/12/19 3:29 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> Finally, I reluctantly bring up one very sore point of example:  Years
> ago Lockman was happy to sell their NASB Bible for our software with the
> process as described above.  They gave us their data, including a
> Spanish translation and their Greek and Hebrew lexicons, which they
> wanted us to convert.  Years went by with the conversion process
> changing at least 3 hands.  We attained a reasonable conversion for the
> Bible and permission to display this on our web study tool:
>
> http://crosswire.org/study/passagestudy.jsp?mod=NASBnew
>
> My requirements before release were:
>
> 1) a repeatable conversion script from Lockman provided data to SWORD module
>
> 2) successful conversion of all 4 data modules, as mentioned above
>
> 3) reasonable functionality on SWORDweb, BibleDesktop, Xiphos, and
> Bibletime.
>
> Each person taking up the conversion effort, including me at one point,
> stalled somewhere along the line.  I still have my repeatable conversion
> process for what you see at the link above (I am not sure if my effort
> was mod=NASB or mod=NASBnew or one other attempt), which works
> relatively well in SWORDweb.  I never worked on the lexica.  I think my
> script should work on the Spanish Bible.  I don' t remember which
> frontends reported that things were working.  At lease one person after
> me took up the effort when I stalled (Greg maybe?), Chris and DM had a
> go before me, I think.  This might be a bit of an exception, as the data
> Lockman gave us had a super odd encoding, especially for the lexica.  My
> personal feeling with regard to our failure as a team is that, to my
> knowledge, no one taking up the task reused the code from those who had
> gone before.  My conversion would have been make + sed + C++, I would
> guess DM would have used Java, Chris: perl, Greg... ???  Anyway, it
> wasn't an issue with the publisher.  They were happy to sell their text
> for our software.  They didn't even mind the single unlock key mechanism
> for all users, before we added the ability to generate unique keys for
> each user.
>
> Hope this explains a bit and doesn't open old wounds too widely,


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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Troy A. Griffitts]

Dear Tobias,

I would encourage you to choose a specific Bible you would like to see
offered.  Contact the copyright holder and explain what we do, explain
that we would love for them to sell their own Bible for our software,
that we don't want any royalties for them to do this, and that we will
do all the legwork to make their text work with our software.  Then do
the legwork to get their data, convert it to a point where they are
happy with the display in most of our major frontends, encipher it with
our locking mechanism, and give them the unlock key to sell.  We're
happy to distribute the enciphered module for them, they simply need to
sell the unlock key from their website.  This is our current policy with
copyright holders.  I haven't had any copyright holder say they are not
interested in this process.  There may not be a problem to solve, just
work to do.

There are many issues with another organization selling Bibles for
CrossWire.  They would need to negotiate with copyright holders as if
they represent CrossWire.  All user support is likely to come to us, no
matter what arrangement is made. e.g., if a purchased module doesn't
work well in XXX frontend, they are users are almost certain to complain
to us or the publisher-- neither of which are actually involved in the
quality of the module.  Some have done this in the past with good
motives and not so good motives (making a markup profit for simply
selling others' Bibles running on others' software).  It messes up our
promoted strategy: let the publisher sell their own material, e.g., we
approach the publisher and explain to them how they can sell their own
Bibles and other material with no middle man, and they say, "Hey, I
thought we already had a deal with CrossWire."  We have always
discouraged 3rd parties from trying to sell both our software and also
other's material for our software.

Anyway, the point is, there are a ton of emails about this over the past
20 years.  You can read them all on our mailing list archives.  It comes
up quite often.  I believe we have a good plan and an accepted software
solution to the problem.  The bottom line is that most of us are
working, as Michael Johnson says, primarily to bring the Word of God
freely to the lost who can't otherwise read and study the Word of God--
it is not most of our volunteers' goal to accomplish this.

Finally, I reluctantly bring up one very sore point of example:  Years
ago Lockman was happy to sell their NASB Bible for our software with the
process as described above.  They gave us their data, including a
Spanish translation and their Greek and Hebrew lexicons, which they
wanted us to convert.  Years went by with the conversion process
changing at least 3 hands.  We attained a reasonable conversion for the
Bible and permission to display this on our web study tool:

http://crosswire.org/study/passagestudy.jsp?mod=NASBnew

My requirements before release were:

1) a repeatable conversion script from Lockman provided data to SWORD module

2) successful conversion of all 4 data modules, as mentioned above

3) reasonable functionality on SWORDweb, BibleDesktop, Xiphos, and
Bibletime.

Each person taking up the conversion effort, including me at one point,
stalled somewhere along the line.  I still have my repeatable conversion
process for what you see at the link above (I am not sure if my effort
was mod=NASB or mod=NASBnew or one other attempt), which works
relatively well in SWORDweb.  I never worked on the lexica.  I think my
script should work on the Spanish Bible.  I don' t remember which
frontends reported that things were working.  At lease one person after
me took up the effort when I stalled (Greg maybe?), Chris and DM had a
go before me, I think.  This might be a bit of an exception, as the data
Lockman gave us had a super odd encoding, especially for the lexica.  My
personal feeling with regard to our failure as a team is that, to my
knowledge, no one taking up the task reused the code from those who had
gone before.  My conversion would have been make + sed + C++, I would
guess DM would have used Java, Chris: perl, Greg... ???  Anyway, it
wasn't an issue with the publisher.  They were happy to sell their text
for our software.  They didn't even mind the single unlock key mechanism
for all users, before we added the ability to generate unique keys for
each user.

Hope this explains a bit and doesn't open old wounds too widely,

Troy


On 3/12/19 4:51 PM, Michael Johnson wrote:
> On 3/10/19 7:56 PM, Tobias Klein wrote:
>> On 10.03.19 21:50, Michael Johnson wrote:
>>> I am well aware that this does not address the preference majority language 
>>> speakers may have for certain modern copyrighted proprietary Bible 
>>> translations. The best solution for access to those is to figure out a way 
>>> to pay for those. This is not unreasonable. One of my few contributions to 
>>> the Sword Project code was the encryption code used for locked modules for 
>>> sale. However, the 

Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Michael Johnson]

On 3/10/19 7:56 PM, Tobias Klein wrote:
> On 10.03.19 21:50, Michael Johnson wrote:
>> I am well aware that this does not address the preference majority language 
>> speakers may have for certain modern copyrighted proprietary Bible 
>> translations. The best solution for access to those is to figure out a way 
>> to pay for those. This is not unreasonable. One of my few contributions to 
>> the Sword Project code was the encryption code used for locked modules for 
>> sale. However, the current model for selling modules excludes the Crosswire 
>> Bible Society, which actually doesn't handle money. I could through
>> eBible.org, but I would need help with that.
>
> Thanks for the clarification regarding DBL, Michael - that is very helpful! 
> Do you know of any projects that sell non-free translations for the purpose 
> of using them in an open source product?

Those exist, but are rare. In general, proprietary Bible translation copyright 
owners are wary of anything open source. I can think of a couple of examples 
off of the top of my head: the NASB on https://eBible.org/study/, the NIV and 
NASB on https://InScript.org. These are open source software (InScript, AKA 
BrowserBible) hosting some commercial Bible translations. In the case of the 
NIV, some money changes hands, but not from the end user.

There is some software that is given away at no cost to the end user, but which 
is not open source, that has had greater success, like YouVersion. YouVersion, 
however, does cost a great deal of money, and there are some back room deals I 
don't know the details of to get some of the translations on there. Much of it 
is bartering translation use for customer contact information and advertising 
value. This is a reasonable approach for a segment of the Bible study app 
"market". It just happens to not fall
within the scope of what I do with eBible.org and CrossWire, which is all about 
free, unencumbered access to the Word of God in as many languages as we can 
provide, with special attention to those in creative access areas and those who 
may have Internet access, but no credit cards.

> I have only seen non-free translations in commercial bible software so far.
>
> So, if I understood you correctly, the availability of specific non-free 
> bible translations for use in an open source product would still depend on 
> individual negotiation efforts with the respective bible societies?

YES.


>
> If I and/or others would want to pursue that route - do you have any other 
> recommendations, specifically regarding the negotiation process?

Use godly wisdom. I'm too tired of the rejection to do much more of that. I 
have had some great successes, like with the Tok Pisin Bible, but that took 
literally years to do and is not something that is repeatable in the same way 
due to changes in the organizations and personnel.

If God is calling you to do that, though, don't let me dissuade you. Just don't 
expect me to join in that particular battle with you. ;-)


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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Tobias Klein]

On 10.03.19 21:50, Michael Johnson wrote:

I am well aware that this does not address the preference majority language 
speakers may have for certain modern copyrighted proprietary Bible 
translations. The best solution for access to those is to figure out a way to 
pay for those. This is not unreasonable. One of my few contributions to the 
Sword Project code was the encryption code used for locked modules for sale. 
However, the current model for selling modules excludes the Crosswire Bible 
Society, which actually doesn't handle money. I could through
eBible.org, but I would need help with that.


Thanks for the clarification regarding DBL, Michael - that is very 
helpful! Do you know of any projects that sell non-free translations for 
the purpose of using them in an open source product?

I have only seen non-free translations in commercial bible software so far.

So, if I understood you correctly, the availability of specific non-free 
bible translations for use in an open source product would still depend 
on individual negotiation efforts with the respective bible societies?


If I and/or others would want to pursue that route - do you have any 
other recommendations, specifically regarding the negotiation process?


Best regards,
Tobias


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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Peter von Kaehne]

On Sun, 2019-03-10 at 10:50 -1000, Michael Johnson wrote:
> Hello, Tobias & all.
> 
> I would like to clear up a misconception about the Every Tribe Every
> Nation (ETEN) Digital Bible Library (DBL). Getting admitted as a
> library card holder does not give you access to any Bible
> translations you cannot access without such access. Read that again.
> Getting admitted as a library card holder does not give you access to
> any Bible translations you cannot access without such access. All it
> does is give you a channel to negotiate individually with all of the
> Intellectual Property Contributors (IPCs)
> in the DBL, more or less like you would without the DBL.

That may be so in theory, but in practice lack of membership has shut
down a growing number of negotiations I was involved in. There is no
good reason why we are not a member and every reason to be a member. 

Peter



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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[David Haslam]

Seconded!

Tim Jore’s book is highly recommended.

David

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On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 21:35, Michael H  wrote:

> The link Michael points to is freedom of access itself. You'll miss the 
> difference if you just go poke through the several English translation 
> available there.
>
> The concept of freedom of access behind unfolding word is found in the book 
> "The Christian Commons." I strongly recommend reading this work.
>
> https://www.unfoldingword.org/tcc___
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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Michael H]

The link Michael points to is freedom of access itself. You'll miss the
difference if you just go poke through the several English translation
available there.

The concept of freedom of access behind unfolding word is found in the book
"The Christian Commons." I strongly recommend reading this work.

https://www.unfoldingword.org/tcc
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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Michael Johnson]

Hello, Tobias & all.

I would like to clear up a misconception about the Every Tribe Every Nation 
(ETEN) Digital Bible Library (DBL). Getting admitted as a library card holder 
does not give you access to any Bible translations you cannot access without 
such access. Read that again. Getting admitted as a library card holder does 
not give you access to any Bible translations you cannot access without such 
access. All it does is give you a channel to negotiate individually with all of 
the Intellectual Property Contributors (IPCs)
in the DBL, more or less like you would without the DBL. It does provide a more 
consistent platform for doing so than not having the DBL, and it does help 
encourage people to provide Scriptures in a common format (USX).

ALL of the Bible translations you can access by default as a DBL library card 
holder (LCH) are available at 
http://app.thedigitalbiblelibrary.org/entries/public_domain_entries?type=text
Note that periodically, I update my collection at eBible.org from that source, 
so that these Bible translations are available on the eBible.org sword 
repository as well as at https://eBible.org/find/. (My position as a DBL LCH 
isn't all in vain. I lobbied for that kind of access for you.)

There is another place were DBL Bible translations can be accessed for LIMITED 
use at https://scripture.api.bible/. This is where you can get free access to 
some modern copyrighted translations, provided you don't cache it very long, 
don't access it too often or with too many copies, and use it online only with 
their web bugs enabled.

For what it is worth, eBible.org as an organization is a DBL LCH. It doesn't 
help much. It does give me the ability to negotiate pay for Bible access, if I 
had money to do so. Honestly, if I had a significant amount of money to spend 
on Bible translation access, I would prefer to spend it on facilitating Bible 
translations where the translators and supporting organizations are committed 
to free/libre licensing of the resulting copyrighted texts. See 
https://www.unfoldingword.org/.

I am well aware that this does not address the preference majority language 
speakers may have for certain modern copyrighted proprietary Bible 
translations. The best solution for access to those is to figure out a way to 
pay for those. This is not unreasonable. One of my few contributions to the 
Sword Project code was the encryption code used for locked modules for sale. 
However, the current model for selling modules excludes the Crosswire Bible 
Society, which actually doesn't handle money. I could through
eBible.org, but I would need help with that.



On 3/10/19 1:38 AM, Tobias Klein wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has there been any discussion on how to get newer/modern (copyrighted) bible 
> translations into the "Sword ecosystem"?
> Users are of course more interested in modern/current translations than very 
> old ones that do not reflect today's language anymore.
>
> Of course this may require some licensing/payment system, but that shouldn't 
> be a too big impediment, huh?
>
> Do you guys know the digital bible library 
> (http://thedigitalbiblelibrary.org).
> They provide access to all kinds of modern translations, but only to "Library 
> Card Holders". I believe this is used by the "YouVersion Bible App" - which 
> is extremely popular (but not open source ...). It's possible to "apply for a 
> library card" for "qualified ministries". On their website it says: "Other 
> organizations may apply for a library card through this website. Approved 
> card holders gain access to the digital files through establishing license 
> agreements with IP contributors."
>
> Maybe there are other possibilities besides this "digital bible library"?
>
> Best regards,
> Tobias
>
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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Tobias Klein]

On 10.03.19 17:26, David Haslam wrote:
We already provide a module encryption feature. Copyright owners 
themselves are expected to manage the user access to unlock keys. Only 
a few publishers have so far chosen to avail themselves of this 
facility. One that has is the publisher of the NET Bible.


The question is whether that is going to happen with the given 
constraints. If copyright owners have to do that work, then they may not 
want that. But if that digital infrastructure would be managed by the 
organization that distributes the actual bible software modules 
(CrossWire), it may turn out as an enabler!


Have you guys thought about a different approach concerning copyrighted 
modules, but didn't pursue it, because it would require too much 
maintenance effort? I would like to understand the motivation a bit 
more, thanks for helping me understand.


I think CrossWire, Sword and all the frontends would gain a much bigger 
user base if modern translations would be available as Sword modules :).


Best regards,
Tobias


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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[David Haslam]

In 2012, it just happened to be in Germany for convenience. It was basically an 
event immediately preceding another larger conference called EMDC at the same 
location that year.

The two gatherings are not formally connected and both are “moveable feasts” 
that have met at other venues separately.

AFAIK, the most recent gathering butted up to the last meeting of the SBL, but 
I was not in attendance at either.

CrossWire is not going to register as a non-Profit for the simple reason that 
it is non-Income. We simply have no accounts to be audited under non-Profit 
regulations in any jurisdiction.

It’s a much looser association than any such type of organisation. Everyone 
connected with CrossWire does so freely as a volunteer.

We already provide a module encryption feature. Copyright owners themselves are 
expected to manage the user access to unlock keys. Only a few publishers have 
so far chosen to avail themselves of this facility. One that has is the 
publisher of the NET Bible.

Regards,

David

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On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 15:31, Tobias Klein  wrote:

> On 10.03.19 15:44, David Haslam wrote:
>
>> And when I was at the Digital Bible Summit in Germany during 2012 we were 
>> even actively encouraged to apply.
>
> Oh cool, I didn't even know that such an event took place over here.
>
>> I attended by invitation. The organisers were fully aware of my role in 
>> CrossWire.
>>
>> Aside: CrossWire is a non-income Society, so the question of making a 
>> payment to a copyright owner for a distribution license simply does not 
>> arise.
>
> I guess the following would be required:
>
> - A non-profit organisation, that is legally allowed to charge their users to 
> pay for the license fees.
> - Some kind of payment / unlock system integrated with sword
> - Some additional administration efforts due to that
> - Dealing with the fiscal system and your donors every year
>
> In Germany it's pretty easy to set up non profit orgs like that. You just 
> need the man power for it ...
> There's actually a well known and big open source project that runs its 
> organization based on a non-profit in Germany ([KDE 
> e.v.](https://ev.kde.org/) for the KDE desktop).
>
> Best regards,
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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Tobias Klein]

On 10.03.19 15:44, David Haslam wrote:
And when I was at the Digital Bible Summit in Germany during 2012 we 
were even actively encouraged to apply.

Oh cool, I didn't even know that such an event took place over here.


I attended by invitation. The organisers were fully aware of my role 
in CrossWire.


Aside: CrossWire is a non-income Society, so the question of making a 
payment to a copyright owner for a distribution license simply does 
not arise.


I guess the following would be required:

- A non-profit organisation, that is legally allowed to charge their 
users to pay for the license fees.

- Some kind of payment / unlock system integrated with sword
- Some additional administration efforts due to that
- Dealing with the fiscal system and your donors every year

In Germany it's pretty easy to set up non profit orgs like that. You 
just need the man power for it ...
There's actually a well known and big open source project that runs its 
organization based on a non-profit in Germany (KDE e.v. 
 for the KDE desktop).


Best regards,
Tobias

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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[David Haslam]

And when I was at the Digital Bible Summit in Germany during 2012 we were even 
actively encouraged to apply.

I attended by invitation. The organisers were fully aware of my role in 
CrossWire.

Aside: CrossWire is a non-income Society, so the question of making a payment 
to a copyright owner for a distribution license simply does not arise.

David

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On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 14:20, Troy A. Griffitts  wrote:

> We've tried many times over the years. We can try again.
>
> On March 10, 2019 5:49:10 AM MDT, Cyrille  wrote:
>
>> Il 10/03/2019 12:38, Tobias Klein ha scritto:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Has there been any discussion on how to get newer/modern (copyrighted)
>>>
>>> bible translations into the "Sword ecosystem"?
>>>
>>> Users are of course more interested in modern/current translations
>>>
>>> than very old ones that do not reflect today's language anymore.
>>>
>>> Of course this may require some licensing/payment system, but that
>>>
>>> shouldn't be a too big impediment, huh?
>>>
>>> Do you guys know the digital bible library
>>>
>>> (
>>> http://thedigitalbiblelibrary.org
>>> ).
>>>
>>> They provide access to all kinds of modern translations, but only to
>>>
>>> "Library Card Holders". I believe this is used by the "YouVersion
>>>
>>> Bible App" - which is extremely popular (but not open source ...).
>>>
>>> It's possible to "apply for a library card" for "qualified
>>>
>>> ministries". On their website it says: "Other organizations may apply
>>>
>>> for a library card through this website. Approved card holders gain
>>>
>>> access to the digital files through establishing license agreements
>>>
>>> with IP contributors."
>>>
>>> Maybe there are other possibilities besides this "digital bible library"?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Tobias
>>
>> +1
>>
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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Tobias Klein]

On 10.03.19 15:20, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:

We've tried many times over the years. We can try again.


What has been tried exactly and why were those efforts not fruitful so far?

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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Troy A. Griffitts]

We've tried many times over the years. We can try again. 

On March 10, 2019 5:49:10 AM MDT, Cyrille  wrote:
>
>
>Il 10/03/2019 12:38, Tobias Klein ha scritto:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Has there been any discussion on how to get newer/modern
>(copyrighted)
>> bible translations into the "Sword ecosystem"?
>> Users are of course more interested in modern/current translations
>> than very old ones that do not reflect today's language anymore.
>>
>> Of course this may require some licensing/payment system, but that
>> shouldn't be a too big impediment, huh?
>>
>> Do you guys know the digital bible library
>> (http://thedigitalbiblelibrary.org).
>> They provide access to all kinds of modern translations, but only to
>> "Library Card Holders". I believe this is used by the "YouVersion
>> Bible App" - which is extremely popular (but not open source ...).
>> It's possible to "apply for a library card" for "qualified
>> ministries". On their website it says: "Other organizations may apply
>> for a library card through this website. Approved card holders gain
>> access to the digital files through establishing license agreements
>> with IP contributors."
>>
>> Maybe there are other possibilities besides this "digital bible
>library"?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Tobias
>>
>>
>+1
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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Cyrille]

Il 10/03/2019 12:38, Tobias Klein ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> Has there been any discussion on how to get newer/modern (copyrighted)
> bible translations into the "Sword ecosystem"?
> Users are of course more interested in modern/current translations
> than very old ones that do not reflect today's language anymore.
>
> Of course this may require some licensing/payment system, but that
> shouldn't be a too big impediment, huh?
>
> Do you guys know the digital bible library
> (http://thedigitalbiblelibrary.org).
> They provide access to all kinds of modern translations, but only to
> "Library Card Holders". I believe this is used by the "YouVersion
> Bible App" - which is extremely popular (but not open source ...).
> It's possible to "apply for a library card" for "qualified
> ministries". On their website it says: "Other organizations may apply
> for a library card through this website. Approved card holders gain
> access to the digital files through establishing license agreements
> with IP contributors."
>
> Maybe there are other possibilities besides this "digital bible library"?
>
> Best regards,
> Tobias
>
>
+1
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[sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Tobias Klein]

Hi,

Has there been any discussion on how to get newer/modern (copyrighted) 
bible translations into the "Sword ecosystem"?
Users are of course more interested in modern/current translations than 
very old ones that do not reflect today's language anymore.


Of course this may require some licensing/payment system, but that 
shouldn't be a too big impediment, huh?


Do you guys know the digital bible library 
(http://thedigitalbiblelibrary.org).
They provide access to all kinds of modern translations, but only to 
"Library Card Holders". I believe this is used by the "YouVersion Bible 
App" - which is extremely popular (but not open source ...). It's 
possible to "apply for a library card" for "qualified ministries". On 
their website it says: "Other organizations may apply for a library card 
through this website. Approved card holders gain access to the digital 
files through establishing license agreements with IP contributors."


Maybe there are other possibilities besides this "digital bible library"?

Best regards,
Tobias


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