t-and-f: North Carolina Fast Times Indoor Invitational - 1/17/2004
Good 60 m Hurdle race. North Carolina Fast Times Indoor Invitational - 1/17/2004 Results at www.cfpitiming.com Eddie Smith Field House in Chapel Hill, NC Event 16 Men 60 Meter Hurdles == === Finals 1 Ross, Duane Nike7.57 1 2 Wallace, DawaneNike7.59 1 3 Ferguson, Kenny Unattached 7.76 1 4 Reese, Terry Unattached 7.84 1 Event 1 Women Long Jump === NameYear School Finals == 1 Gamble, Nicole Unattached 6.10m 20-00.25 2 Ingram, BridgetteElite Athlete5.75m 18-10.50 3 Pinerez, Yosmila FR St. Augustin 5.72m 18-09.25 4 Wilson, Julee SR Richmond 5.62m 18-05.25 5 Nicholls, Cynthia SR Hampton 5.57m 18-03.25 6 Jones, DesireeSO North Caroli 5.51m 18-01.00 Event 2 Men Long Jump === NameYear School Finals == 1 Bruce, EverettSR N. C. AT7.35m 24-01.50 2 Hutchinson, FabianSO St. Augustin 7.22m 23-08.25 3 Enoch, Steve JR N. C. Centra 7.12m 23-04.50 4 Via, Brandon SO N. C. AT7.03m 23-00.75 5 Davis, JustinWestern Caro 6.92m 22-08.50 6 Flimmons, Randell FR Morehouse6.88m 22-07.00 7 Harris, DanielSR North Caroli 6.81m 22-04.25 8 Rivens, Sheldon North Caroli 6.80m 22-03.75 9 Woodward, Blair North Caroli 6.79m 22-03.50 10 D'Jean, D'ArteneanJR St. Augustin 6.77m 22-02.50 11 Okonkwo, John SO Charlotte6.76m 22-02.25 12 McCain, Jermaine High Point 6.69m 21-11.50 13 Bolden, Ross FR Radford 6.63m 21-09.00 14 Simms, RichardFR St. Augustin 6.59m 21-07.50 Event 3 Women Pole Vault == NameYear School Finals === 1 Jenks, Rhian FR North Caroli 3.95m 12-11.50 2 Kirichenko, Tatyana North Caroli 3.65m 11-11.75 2 Tieszen, LauraJR Western Caro 3.65m 11-11.75 4 Mentzel, Tammie JR East Carolin 3.65m 11-11.75 5 Chen, Laura JR Duke 3.65m 11-11.75 6 Matthews, Terri North Caroli 3.65m 11-11.75 7 Risi, Laura North Caroli 3.50m 11-05.75 8 Reed, Teresa N. C. State 3.50m 11-05.75 9 Taylor, Danielle SR Charlotte3.50m 11-05.75 10 Howard, Kristie SR Duke 3.35m 10-11.75 11 Sawyer, Chi Western Caro 3.20m 10-06.00 12 Morrison, Sarah SO Charlotte3.05m 10-00.00 13 Batts, Kinsey FR East Carolin 3.05m 10-00.00 Event 4 Men Pole Vault === NameYear School Finals === 1 Warner, Brent SR Duke 5.05m 16-06.75 2 Taylor, SteveN. C. State 4.90m 16-00.75 3 Ayres, Emanuel North Caroli 4.75m 15-07.00 4 Cosby, Noah SO North Caroli 4.75m 15-07.00 5 Hoverstad, Eric N. C. State 4.60m 15-01.00 6 Davis, Jeremy JR Duke 4.60m 15-01.00 7 Childers, Phillip FR North Caroli 4.60m 15-01.00 8 Fay, Jonathan FR Duke 4.30m 14-01.25 9 Long, David SR Duke 4.30m 14-01.25 Event 5 Women High Jump === NameYear School Finals === 1 Pace, Kristen SR Georgia Stat 1.84m6-00.50
RE: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
Roger wrote: This I think is quite remarkable, in view of a comparison of the two countries' populations and economic conditions; viz., Kenya population - 31.6 million United States population - 290.3 million Kenya gross domestic production per capita -US $1,100 United States GDP per capita - US $36,300 * This also seems to suggest that the old adage that sprinters are born while distance runners are made is wrong. Distance runners require few facilities and not even much coaching (I hate to say that, but it's probably true. Self coached distance athletes have reached the top of the sport while I've never heard of a self-coached sprinter--anyone?) while sprinters require extensive training facilities and constant coaching to get to the top. The U.S. has an abundance of good facilities and coaching all of which require decent capital inputs. It is no wonder that the U.S. excels in this area. Even a large proportion of top non-American sprinters train in or were developed in the United States. In distance running where facilities (and arguably coaching) don't matter as much, the U.S. loses its advantage. The political economy of athletics is that poorer countries with populations suited for distance running should concentrate there as they can produce product almost as efficiently (perhaps more so) as rich countries and thus compete with them on the global market (OG, WC, etc) whereas this is extremely hard to do with sprinters. Jamaica seems to do well, but their system seems to rely heavily on the U.S. collegiate system for development. It would also be interesting to examine labor by sector here. In other words, how many Americans attempt to train seriously at distance running vs. the number of Kenyans who do so. My guess is that the population gap gets quite a bit smaller. Paul
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--- P.F.Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This also seems to suggest that the old adage that sprinters are born while distance runners are made is wrong. Distance runners require few facilities and not even much coaching (I hate to say that, but it's probably true. Self coached distance athletes have reached the top of the sport while I've never heard of a self-coached sprinter--anyone?) while sprinters require extensive training facilities and constant coaching to get to the top. I don't particuarly agree with the ol' adage, but I don't think that's exactly what it is saying. The gist of the argument is that distance runners can overcome a lack of talent through hard work, whereas sprinters either have it or they don't. That doesn't mean a sprinter with immense talent will make automatically it, just that they have to have the talent to have a chance. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
RE: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
Wrong Dan, you have to have the talent for sprinting to make it to the top, and the talent for distance running to make it to the top. No amount of work will compensate for lack of either. Sprinters improve just as much to training for sprinting as distance runners do to training for distance running. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Kaplan Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance --- P.F.Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This also seems to suggest that the old adage that sprinters are born while distance runners are made is wrong. Distance runners require few facilities and not even much coaching (I hate to say that, but it's probably true. Self coached distance athletes have reached the top of the sport while I've never heard of a self-coached sprinter--anyone?) while sprinters require extensive training facilities and constant coaching to get to the top. I don't particuarly agree with the ol' adage, but I don't think that's exactly what it is saying. The gist of the argument is that distance runners can overcome a lack of talent through hard work, whereas sprinters either have it or they don't. That doesn't mean a sprinter with immense talent will make automatically it, just that they have to have the talent to have a chance. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
Re: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
I don't particuarly agree with the ol' adage, but I don't think that's exactly what it is saying. The gist of the argument is that distance runners can overcome a lack of talent through hard work, whereas sprinters either have it or they don't. That doesn't mean a sprinter with immense talent will make automatically it, just that they have to have the talent to have a chance. Which is a load of crap. EVERYONE has to have immense talent to make it to the top. I'm a distance athlete myself and I get sick and tired of hearing talk about how such and such an athlete has no talent, but he works hard to make up for it. There's a number of false implications here. First is that if you are not successful as a distance runner, you are not working hard enough. Second, that distance runners work harder than sprinters. Both are insulting. Folks, if you can run even a 31 minute 10K, you are in the tiny fraction of the top percent of the world's population in terms of talent. Period. End of story. Whether you do it off 10 miles per week or 150 miles per week, you're still basically a physiological anomoly. And you're still lapped three times by the best in the world :) Certainly it's true that sprinters seem to be able to get closer to the top than distance athletes with minimal amounts of work, but I'm not sure that in the global context even that is correct. Lord knows there have been enough 18-year old Africans (and even if they are really 21, they are certainly not heavily trained) producing eye-popping performances at the distances. To be a top athlete in the world takes both talent and hard work. The more of one you have, to some extent you can have less of the other, but in today's competitive marketplace you must have ample quantities of both. Sprinters tend to peak at a younger age than distance runners, and more of the nitty gritty physiological adaptations required for distance running success are long term than are those for sprinting. But that is mostly just noise - Both talent and hard work are critical all around. - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
- Original Message - From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance I don't particuarly agree with the ol' adage, but I don't think that's exactly what it is saying. The gist of the argument is that distance runners can overcome a lack of talent through hard work, whereas sprinters either have it or they don't. Brilliantly naive. My guess is that you've never seen a sprinter train. A couple of strides, a high knee or two and some stretching right? That doesn't mean a sprinter with immense talent will make automatically it, just that they have to have the talent to have a chance. and distance runners don't? Steve S.
RE: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
Easy Steve, Dan's a novice fan. malmo Brilliantly naive. My guess is that you've never seen a sprinter train. A couple of strides, a high knee or two and some stretching right? That doesn't mean a sprinter with immense talent will make automatically it, just that they have to have the talent to have a chance. and distance runners don't? Steve S.
t-and-f: 24 hour treadmill world record attempt-Towson YMCA Jan 24-25 - Status
Here is the current status on Serge Arbona's WR attempt: All the volunteers met with Serge on Friday (Jan 16) to discuss all the rules associated with a WR effort. Serge has 2 treadmills set up at the YMCA in Towson, MD. He has ensured that all of the rules are followed; and that all of the volunteers know them. The event will be videotaped - to make sure he doesn't lose the record on a technicality. Serge could always use more volunteers. Serge has a legitimate shot at the existing WR of 149.13 mi/240 km for 24 hours on a treadmill. Serge's credentials include several strong ultramarathon performances including a win at Rocky Racoon last year of 14:30ish for the 100 mile distance. In addition, Serge has won Old Dominion in the mid-16 hour range. En route, Serge will attempt to break the 100 mile treadmill record (16:23, I believe) and the 12 hour record (possibly) of 81.3 miles. Serge is in great shape, uninjured, and mentally ready. He has done a 6 hour training run on the treadmill and it went well. If anyone is interested in volunteering, or witnessing, or cheering Serge on - it would be welcome. The effort will be at the Towson YMCA on Chesapeake Ave in Towson, MD. Serge starts at 12 noon on Saturday, Jan 24. Best of luck to Serge. = Dave Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
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Well, the t-and-f list has officially gone to shit. Apparently no one can read anymore, let alone conduct themselves politely. I don't particuarly agree with the ol' adage, but I don't think that's exactly what it is saying. The gist of the argument is... Very first thing I said. If it's unclear to anyone that I was clarifying the argument, not stating my own position, then I suggest you enroll in remedial preschool classes. --- edndana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is a load of crap. --- Steve Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brilliantly naive. My guess is that you've never seen a sprinter train. A couple of strides, a high knee or two and some stretching right? --- malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easy Steve, Dan's a novice fan. Morons (with the possible exception of Ed, who I can't tell if he was disagreeing with me or not). I expect it from Malmo, but anyone else sinking to that level of stupidity should be ashamed of themselves. Steve, try thinking before opening your mouth. I coached sprinters for 4 years, which should answer your idiotic question. And no, Malmo, you can't just delete threads here that disagree with you like on letsrun.com. Your attitude is on record for everyone to see. G'day. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
Re: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
Dan - I STILL don't know if I was agreeing with you because you didn't state your opinion,which is fine. You clarified what you thought the point was - namely, and I quote: The gist of the argument is that distance runners can overcome a lack of talent through hard work, whereas sprinters either have it or they don't. That doesn't mean a sprinter with immense talent will make automatically it, just that they have to have the talent to have a chance. I don't know whether you agree with it, but I wasn't attacking you, I was attacking the gist of the argument. I stand by my attack. And while a load of crap is not exactly polite, it is hardly stupidity. Next time I'll say a load of feces or a load of dung and we'll be OK for non-cable television. Actually, I will concede that in this case, my message would have been better delivered without the vulgarity. I probably lost more people with that than I gained. That's assuming anyone's still listening on the list anyway. I'll also go one further. Immense talent is required for success in any track field event, as is hard work, BUT for individual athletes to focus on whether they have enough talent and who has more would be rather stupid as well. Athletes (and I try to take my own advice here) would do well to assume they have enough talent to go as far as they want and proceed from there. - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 10:59 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance Well, the t-and-f list has officially gone to shit. Apparently no one can read anymore, let alone conduct themselves politely. I don't particuarly agree with the ol' adage, but I don't think that's exactly what it is saying. The gist of the argument is... Very first thing I said. If it's unclear to anyone that I was clarifying the argument, not stating my own position, then I suggest you enroll in remedial preschool classes. --- edndana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is a load of crap. --- Steve Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brilliantly naive. My guess is that you've never seen a sprinter train. A couple of strides, a high knee or two and some stretching right? --- malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easy Steve, Dan's a novice fan. Morons (with the possible exception of Ed, who I can't tell if he was disagreeing with me or not). I expect it from Malmo, but anyone else sinking to that level of stupidity should be ashamed of themselves. Steve, try thinking before opening your mouth. I coached sprinters for 4 years, which should answer your idiotic question. And no, Malmo, you can't just delete threads here that disagree with you like on letsrun.com. Your attitude is on record for everyone to see. G'day. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
RE: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
Dan, just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean we're still not out to get you. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Kaplan Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance Well, the t-and-f list has officially gone to shit. Apparently no one can read anymore, let alone conduct themselves politely. I don't particuarly agree with the ol' adage, but I don't think that's exactly what it is saying. The gist of the argument is... Very first thing I said. If it's unclear to anyone that I was clarifying the argument, not stating my own position, then I suggest you enroll in remedial preschool classes. --- edndana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is a load of crap. --- Steve Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brilliantly naive. My guess is that you've never seen a sprinter train. A couple of strides, a high knee or two and some stretching right? --- malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easy Steve, Dan's a novice fan. Morons (with the possible exception of Ed, who I can't tell if he was disagreeing with me or not). I expect it from Malmo, but anyone else sinking to that level of stupidity should be ashamed of themselves. Steve, try thinking before opening your mouth. I coached sprinters for 4 years, which should answer your idiotic question. And no, Malmo, you can't just delete threads here that disagree with you like on letsrun.com. Your attitude is on record for everyone to see. G'day. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
