Re: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
Modern African proverb not yet plagiarized by Sen. Clinton: It takes a whole village to moderate a track list. malmo wrote: Dan, just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean we're still not out to get you. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Kaplan Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance Well, the t-and-f list has officially gone to shit. Apparently no one can read anymore, let alone conduct themselves politely. I don't particuarly agree with the ol' adage, but I don't think that's exactly what it is saying. The gist of the argument is... Very first thing I said. If it's unclear to anyone that I was clarifying the argument, not stating my own position, then I suggest you enroll in remedial preschool classes. --- edndana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is a load of crap. --- Steve Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brilliantly naive. My guess is that you've never seen a sprinter train. A couple of strides, a high knee or two and some stretching right? --- malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easy Steve, Dan's a novice fan. Morons (with the possible exception of Ed, who I can't tell if he was disagreeing with me or not). I expect it from Malmo, but anyone else sinking to that level of stupidity should be ashamed of themselves. Steve, try thinking before opening your mouth. I coached sprinters for 4 years, which should answer your idiotic question. And no, Malmo, you can't just delete threads here that disagree with you like on letsrun.com. Your attitude is on record for everyone to see. G'day. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
RE: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
Roger wrote: This I think is quite remarkable, in view of a comparison of the two countries' populations and economic conditions; viz., Kenya population - 31.6 million United States population - 290.3 million Kenya gross domestic production per capita -US $1,100 United States GDP per capita - US $36,300 * This also seems to suggest that the old adage that sprinters are born while distance runners are made is wrong. Distance runners require few facilities and not even much coaching (I hate to say that, but it's probably true. Self coached distance athletes have reached the top of the sport while I've never heard of a self-coached sprinter--anyone?) while sprinters require extensive training facilities and constant coaching to get to the top. The U.S. has an abundance of good facilities and coaching all of which require decent capital inputs. It is no wonder that the U.S. excels in this area. Even a large proportion of top non-American sprinters train in or were developed in the United States. In distance running where facilities (and arguably coaching) don't matter as much, the U.S. loses its advantage. The political economy of athletics is that poorer countries with populations suited for distance running should concentrate there as they can produce product almost as efficiently (perhaps more so) as rich countries and thus compete with them on the global market (OG, WC, etc) whereas this is extremely hard to do with sprinters. Jamaica seems to do well, but their system seems to rely heavily on the U.S. collegiate system for development. It would also be interesting to examine labor by sector here. In other words, how many Americans attempt to train seriously at distance running vs. the number of Kenyans who do so. My guess is that the population gap gets quite a bit smaller. Paul
RE: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
--- P.F.Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This also seems to suggest that the old adage that sprinters are born while distance runners are made is wrong. Distance runners require few facilities and not even much coaching (I hate to say that, but it's probably true. Self coached distance athletes have reached the top of the sport while I've never heard of a self-coached sprinter--anyone?) while sprinters require extensive training facilities and constant coaching to get to the top. I don't particuarly agree with the ol' adage, but I don't think that's exactly what it is saying. The gist of the argument is that distance runners can overcome a lack of talent through hard work, whereas sprinters either have it or they don't. That doesn't mean a sprinter with immense talent will make automatically it, just that they have to have the talent to have a chance. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
RE: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
Wrong Dan, you have to have the talent for sprinting to make it to the top, and the talent for distance running to make it to the top. No amount of work will compensate for lack of either. Sprinters improve just as much to training for sprinting as distance runners do to training for distance running. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Kaplan Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance --- P.F.Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This also seems to suggest that the old adage that sprinters are born while distance runners are made is wrong. Distance runners require few facilities and not even much coaching (I hate to say that, but it's probably true. Self coached distance athletes have reached the top of the sport while I've never heard of a self-coached sprinter--anyone?) while sprinters require extensive training facilities and constant coaching to get to the top. I don't particuarly agree with the ol' adage, but I don't think that's exactly what it is saying. The gist of the argument is that distance runners can overcome a lack of talent through hard work, whereas sprinters either have it or they don't. That doesn't mean a sprinter with immense talent will make automatically it, just that they have to have the talent to have a chance. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
Re: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
I don't particuarly agree with the ol' adage, but I don't think that's exactly what it is saying. The gist of the argument is that distance runners can overcome a lack of talent through hard work, whereas sprinters either have it or they don't. That doesn't mean a sprinter with immense talent will make automatically it, just that they have to have the talent to have a chance. Which is a load of crap. EVERYONE has to have immense talent to make it to the top. I'm a distance athlete myself and I get sick and tired of hearing talk about how such and such an athlete has no talent, but he works hard to make up for it. There's a number of false implications here. First is that if you are not successful as a distance runner, you are not working hard enough. Second, that distance runners work harder than sprinters. Both are insulting. Folks, if you can run even a 31 minute 10K, you are in the tiny fraction of the top percent of the world's population in terms of talent. Period. End of story. Whether you do it off 10 miles per week or 150 miles per week, you're still basically a physiological anomoly. And you're still lapped three times by the best in the world :) Certainly it's true that sprinters seem to be able to get closer to the top than distance athletes with minimal amounts of work, but I'm not sure that in the global context even that is correct. Lord knows there have been enough 18-year old Africans (and even if they are really 21, they are certainly not heavily trained) producing eye-popping performances at the distances. To be a top athlete in the world takes both talent and hard work. The more of one you have, to some extent you can have less of the other, but in today's competitive marketplace you must have ample quantities of both. Sprinters tend to peak at a younger age than distance runners, and more of the nitty gritty physiological adaptations required for distance running success are long term than are those for sprinting. But that is mostly just noise - Both talent and hard work are critical all around. - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
- Original Message - From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance I don't particuarly agree with the ol' adage, but I don't think that's exactly what it is saying. The gist of the argument is that distance runners can overcome a lack of talent through hard work, whereas sprinters either have it or they don't. Brilliantly naive. My guess is that you've never seen a sprinter train. A couple of strides, a high knee or two and some stretching right? That doesn't mean a sprinter with immense talent will make automatically it, just that they have to have the talent to have a chance. and distance runners don't? Steve S.
RE: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
Easy Steve, Dan's a novice fan. malmo Brilliantly naive. My guess is that you've never seen a sprinter train. A couple of strides, a high knee or two and some stretching right? That doesn't mean a sprinter with immense talent will make automatically it, just that they have to have the talent to have a chance. and distance runners don't? Steve S.
Re: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
Well, the t-and-f list has officially gone to shit. Apparently no one can read anymore, let alone conduct themselves politely. I don't particuarly agree with the ol' adage, but I don't think that's exactly what it is saying. The gist of the argument is... Very first thing I said. If it's unclear to anyone that I was clarifying the argument, not stating my own position, then I suggest you enroll in remedial preschool classes. --- edndana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is a load of crap. --- Steve Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brilliantly naive. My guess is that you've never seen a sprinter train. A couple of strides, a high knee or two and some stretching right? --- malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easy Steve, Dan's a novice fan. Morons (with the possible exception of Ed, who I can't tell if he was disagreeing with me or not). I expect it from Malmo, but anyone else sinking to that level of stupidity should be ashamed of themselves. Steve, try thinking before opening your mouth. I coached sprinters for 4 years, which should answer your idiotic question. And no, Malmo, you can't just delete threads here that disagree with you like on letsrun.com. Your attitude is on record for everyone to see. G'day. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
Re: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
Dan - I STILL don't know if I was agreeing with you because you didn't state your opinion,which is fine. You clarified what you thought the point was - namely, and I quote: The gist of the argument is that distance runners can overcome a lack of talent through hard work, whereas sprinters either have it or they don't. That doesn't mean a sprinter with immense talent will make automatically it, just that they have to have the talent to have a chance. I don't know whether you agree with it, but I wasn't attacking you, I was attacking the gist of the argument. I stand by my attack. And while a load of crap is not exactly polite, it is hardly stupidity. Next time I'll say a load of feces or a load of dung and we'll be OK for non-cable television. Actually, I will concede that in this case, my message would have been better delivered without the vulgarity. I probably lost more people with that than I gained. That's assuming anyone's still listening on the list anyway. I'll also go one further. Immense talent is required for success in any track field event, as is hard work, BUT for individual athletes to focus on whether they have enough talent and who has more would be rather stupid as well. Athletes (and I try to take my own advice here) would do well to assume they have enough talent to go as far as they want and proceed from there. - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 10:59 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance Well, the t-and-f list has officially gone to shit. Apparently no one can read anymore, let alone conduct themselves politely. I don't particuarly agree with the ol' adage, but I don't think that's exactly what it is saying. The gist of the argument is... Very first thing I said. If it's unclear to anyone that I was clarifying the argument, not stating my own position, then I suggest you enroll in remedial preschool classes. --- edndana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is a load of crap. --- Steve Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brilliantly naive. My guess is that you've never seen a sprinter train. A couple of strides, a high knee or two and some stretching right? --- malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easy Steve, Dan's a novice fan. Morons (with the possible exception of Ed, who I can't tell if he was disagreeing with me or not). I expect it from Malmo, but anyone else sinking to that level of stupidity should be ashamed of themselves. Steve, try thinking before opening your mouth. I coached sprinters for 4 years, which should answer your idiotic question. And no, Malmo, you can't just delete threads here that disagree with you like on letsrun.com. Your attitude is on record for everyone to see. G'day. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
RE: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance
Dan, just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean we're still not out to get you. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Kaplan Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance Well, the t-and-f list has officially gone to shit. Apparently no one can read anymore, let alone conduct themselves politely. I don't particuarly agree with the ol' adage, but I don't think that's exactly what it is saying. The gist of the argument is... Very first thing I said. If it's unclear to anyone that I was clarifying the argument, not stating my own position, then I suggest you enroll in remedial preschool classes. --- edndana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is a load of crap. --- Steve Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brilliantly naive. My guess is that you've never seen a sprinter train. A couple of strides, a high knee or two and some stretching right? --- malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easy Steve, Dan's a novice fan. Morons (with the possible exception of Ed, who I can't tell if he was disagreeing with me or not). I expect it from Malmo, but anyone else sinking to that level of stupidity should be ashamed of themselves. Steve, try thinking before opening your mouth. I coached sprinters for 4 years, which should answer your idiotic question. And no, Malmo, you can't just delete threads here that disagree with you like on letsrun.com. Your attitude is on record for everyone to see. G'day. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
