t-and-f: RACE WALKER IS LIVING IN SPACE
RACE WALKER IS LIVING IN SPACE COURAN COVE, Australia (AP) - Peer into race-walker Curt Clausen's room at the U.S. Olympic track team's training camp and you think you're in outer space. On his bed is a hypoxic tent, a contraption meant to stimulate the body's red blood cells and simulate living at altitude. The $6,000 tent, which fits over the bed, is only about 2 1/2 feet by 6 inches when rolled up and can fit into a suitcase, but when opened it looks like a camping tent with Plexiglas windows. The bed's mattress fits into it. A 70-pound generator is necessary to make it suitable for use. "There's controversy with it because the coaching staff doesn't know what it is," said Clausen, the American record-holder for the 50-kilometer walk, "and the Sydney organizers said they wouldn't allow it in the village. The reason for that, in my opinion, is that the Australians have been using it for the past four years and don't want anyone else to have it. "The tent allows you to take it with you. Here I am in Australia at sea level and getting benefits from it." Clausen has been using the tent for two years, and in that span his performances have improved dramatically. Instead of being a non-contender, as he generally was in the past, he now is among the world's best, having finished fourth at the 1999 World Championships at Seville, Spain. *** For the full Clausen feature, see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2569138174-699
Re: t-and-f: Nandrolone controversy continues
In a message dated 8/24/00 00:18:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's also not true that the liability in these cases is completely strict. Athletes who have shown that they took stuff inadvertantly - like the Russian who had her food spiked with steroids by an angry partner, and indeed Christie himself in '88 - are not held responsible and not banned. Not true. Ludmila Engquist (Narozhilenko at the time) served more than 2 years of a 4 year ban. A Russian court declared her ban unfair and the IAAF eventually gave her an "exceptional circumstances" exoneration. But she served more time than a current offender would serving a full sentence. As for Christie, my GUESS is that he was let go was because the IOC didn't want another scandal on top of Ben. And I think it was the IOC that did all the decsion-making in his case, not the IAAF. But I could be wrong on this last point. Not always easy to keep the alphabet-soup boys straight. gh
Fwd: t-and-f: Do rules mean anything?
In a message dated 8/20/00 12:09:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From long experience in many sports, it has been my observaton that when money enters the poicture, rules go out the window (or are conveniently altered). At Monaco Friday night, an obvious foul was not called in th women's 5K. The winner came off the turn in the first lane and ended up in the third lane, pushing the 2nd runner out almost to lane 4. The rules clearly state that a runner must remain in the lane chosen coming off thew turn unless the margin of victory is such that no impeding takes place---not the case here. The TV commentators noted the fact but made no statement about the rule violation. Of course, it is not their job to call fouls. But what about those whose task it is to do so? Money has nothing to do with it. The European version of running has long been far more rough and tumble than what we accept here. I remember 30 years ago when an American distance runner going to Europe for the first time asked an old hand if he had any advice. The response was, "Get your elbows sharpened." gh
Re: t-and-f: Now I get it
Margaret Robert Tatar wrote: With no trip to Sydney in the offing, I thought my trip to the Sac OT in July represented my ultimate live track viewing experience for the year (despite the borderline Third World conditions). I was wrong. Robert, Very interesting and thank you for the post. What would keep us from hiring one of these European meet directors to produce one of our meets. John -- It's not the meet directors you need to hire, it's the entire climate and the money that climate generates. Dave Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: why people got votes
I feel like Jim Rome reading e-mails here. Some of the reasons offered for offing people: Breaux Greer-you have to have at least an A standard for this game right? Tim Seaman-gone...nothing against walking...but he is no Michael Rohl... Melvin Lister (why? I haven't read TFN closely enough in the last several months and I've no idea as to who he is). Gabe Jennings-His drums don't make good dinner music. Adam Nelson-There wouldn't be any food left with him around. Maurice Greene (bogus pull in the OT 200 meters) and Robert Howard (bogus antics during OT long jump competition). Ax Breaux Greer (hate Cajun food) and Maurice Greene (hated the swagger in Sac)... Greer --no Cajun hicks eliminate Gabe Jennings (quickly please) and Maurice Greene Breaux Greer, who can't seem to dress properly for a track meet, and Mo Greene, whom I'm afraid might injure me with his shoulders due to his excessive swagger!! Yank Robert Howard and Mark Everett from the table! Don't want Howard's shorts dragging in my taters MJ would'nt want to sit with me and Gabe's gonna drive me insane beating his knife and fork on the table. IMaurice Greene and Mark Everett off because they are only gonna talk about themselves anyway. The first two are easy in my book! Drop the trash talking pair, I have already heard enough from them!! gh
t-and-f: Rod DeHaven Interview
There's a lengthy interview with Rod DeHaven at our website: http://www.letsrun.com/dehaven.html It seems like Rod has had a changeof plans about his strategy for Sydney: "I mean I could run tactical and get 15th, but I'm kind of like, 'Who cares?... I might as well as hard as I can for as long as I can and whatever happens, happens.'" He also discusses the state of American Marathoning, and Bob Kennedy's and Todd Williams entry into the marathon. -Weldon
t-and-f: SURVIVOR--round 2
OK clones, you've got 24 hours to cut 2 more people from the dinner table. If you didn't vote the first time, doesn't mean you can't vote now. And no, you don't have to say the same thing two days in a row. And remember, the premise here was that this was somebody you'd want to sit down to dinner with, not watch run/jump/throw. Here are the 18 people to choose from: John Capel Michael Johnson Mark Everett Gabe Jennings Pascal Dobert Adam Goucher Meb Keflezighi Allen Johnson Angelo Taylor Charles Austin Lawrence Johnson Melvin Lister Robert Howard Adam Nelson Adam Setliff Lance Deal Breaux Greer Tom Pappas
t-and-f: Survivor I results: fastest and slowest are gone
Voting for day 1 is now closed. And the winners (err, losers) are... the guy who moved at the fastest speed at the Trials and the guy who moved at the slowest speed. Mo Greene and Tim Seaman in a dead-heat tie. They're no longer invited to dinner. I don't want to affect future voting, so I won't tell you who came close to being knocked out (compared to these guys, nobody, really). But I will tell you that 17 of the 20 contenders received at least one ding. Only 3 guys escaped unscathed. gh (note for round 2 voting to follow)
Re: t-and-f: No CC Please!
Tennis recently made it back (I don't remember whether it was '92 or '96) after having been gone for many decades. Dave Carey On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not much chance. Once an event is yanked from the Games, it rarely makes it back. There was Olympic XC in 1912, 1920 and 1924. And a team cross-country event in those years as well as 04.
Re: t-and-f: Now I get it
European meet directors also have European audiences. European audiences have nationality. European audiences care passionately who wins a particular race or field event. The closest thing that Americans have to nationality is professional sports teams, such as baseball, basketball, or football. Professional sports teams, of course, don't translate over to track. Dave Carey On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a bit simplistic, but the only thing magic about Euro meet directors is that they have million-dollar budgets. Most are very good but some succeed in spite of themselves.
Re: t-and-f: Rod DeHaven Interview
Title: Re: t-and-f: Rod DeHaven Interview Find a coach, find the time, do the work, said DeHaven in the interview as advice to an average marathoner looking to improve. Ah so succinctly put. Go read the rest. Good work. Tom Derderian, Greater Boston Track Club -- From: Weldon Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: t-and-f [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Rod DeHaven Interview Date: Thu, Aug 24, 2000, 2:49 PM There's a lengthy interview with Rod DeHaven at our website: http://www.letsrun.com/dehaven.html http://www.letsrun.com/dehaven.html It seems like Rod has had a change of plans about his strategy for Sydney: I mean I could run tactical and get 15th, but I'm kind of like, 'Who cares?... I might as well as hard as I can for as long as I can and whatever happens, happens.' He also discusses the state of American Marathoning, and Bob Kennedy's and Todd Williams entry into the marathon. -Weldon
Re: t-and-f: Euro Meets
Hmm .. I think there are definitely teams in track and field here in the Untied States .. The NCAA championships have them .. As do High School State Championships .. And in both cases I think you have the same sort of regional/nationalistic passion that you have in European meets .. And at the Trials there was definitely a lot of cheering going on for various athletes during, before, and after races .. Greene and John fans .. Jacobs and Hamilton fans .. Dragila fans .. Jennings and Stember fans .. So don't sell the audiences short .. I think often the "problem" with the fans is that they are looking for more to be going on (as was described in the earlier post on the European meet) to get excited about ... Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Eckmann, Drew" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 2:11 PM Subject: t-and-f: Euro Meets European meet directors also have European audiences. European audiences have nationality. European audiences care passionately who wins a particular race or field event. The closest thing that Americans have to nationality is professional sports teams, such as baseball, basketball, or football. Professional sports teams, of course, don't translate over to track. Dave Carey This is a very good point. You'll always hear at the Olympics or World Championships how "The folks in (NAME YOU PLACE) will be dancing in the streets tonight because So-and-So won the 5000 meters. We could get Gold, Silver and Bronze in every event and the general populace wouldn't give a damn. Of course, Detroit burns whenever they win something but I don't think that that happens because of the joy of winning. /Drew
RE: t-and-f: No CC Please!
How about XC during the winter Oly Games ??? I think it would be great, snow, mud, etc !!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Carey Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 2:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: No CC Please! Tennis recently made it back (I don't remember whether it was '92 or '96) after having been gone for many decades. Dave Carey On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not much chance. Once an event is yanked from the Games, it rarely makes it back. There was Olympic XC in 1912, 1920 and 1924. And a team cross-country event in those years as well as 04.
Re: t-and-f: No CC Please!
In a message dated 8/24/00 1:54:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Finns and Swedes were just too dominant. Like Kenya and Ethiopia now - and funny, only 1 Finn, no distance runners in 2000. Jim Gerweck Running Times
t-and-f: John Schiefer
Netters, Sorry to trouble the whole list. John would you contact me please. Good Training, Michael Rohl
Re: t-and-f: 1500 metre s'chase?
2000 meters is the standard steeplechase distance for the World and USA Junior Championships as well as the USA Junior Olympics. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: Rick Rountree [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 24, 2000 1:07 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: 1500 metre s'chase? I've thought about this before (10 milers can get really boring). The closest thing I've heard of is the 2000m steeplechase that is run in some US high school meets. Can't think of a world best for this event. Is there one? Was this a junior competition? If not, what's the point of a 1500m steeple. Just for fun? Anyway, I would like to know if people think a sub-4 mile equivalent 1500m (3:42 roughly, lets not get started on this thread again) could be done for an all out 1500 steeple? I don't think so. Water barriers would be too tough to deal with not to mention just plain fatigue from the other barriers. The stop and go would be killer, especially with some of the steeple form the Kenyans have. Afterall, they are just about the only ones capable of even thinking about running this fast over barriers. I could see 3:50 all out. Maybe a little faster, but not much. Rick Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: t-and-f: SURVIVOR--round 2
In a message dated 8/24/00 19:04:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope that the finalists are [snip] Class acts all three. this is pretty amazing: the three names he gave were the three people who didn't pick up a single ding in the first round. On the ohter hand, all three have been dinged in the second. In fact, all remaining 18 have a ding already. gh
t-and-f: Be a sport, NBC
Randall Stross wrote an interesting article for US News Aug 21 issue, titled "Be a sport, NBC: How could a real Olympics webcast hurt?" According to Stross, NBC will show 20 minutes of Olympic video footage on the web, or an average of 4.4 seconds per event. Full article at: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/000821/21domain.htm DR KAMAL JABBOUR - Engineer, Educator, Runner, WriterO o 2-222 Center for Science and Technology /|\/ |\ Syracuse University, Syracuse NY 13244-4100 | | Phone 315-443-3000, Fax 315-443-2583 __/ \ \/ \ http://running.syr.edu/jabbour.html\ \
Re: t-and-f: William C. Sudeck 1926 - 2000
My prayers go out to Bill's family. I had the opportunity to know him both as an athlete, as a fellow coach, and as a fellow Kent State alum. He was one of the highest quality people I've ever known-always knowing everyones name-always taking the time to compliment and encourage athletes. He turned out a lot of great athletes, but he also can list even more people who are doing well in "the game of life." We mourn the loss of a great friend. So long Bill Keith Whitman Head Cross Country Coach Assistant Track Field Coach University of Nebraska at Kearney Office (308) 865-8070 Home (308) 338-1115 http://www.lopers.com/xcountry/default.htm Fax # (308) 865-8187
Re: t-and-f: Brussells Changes
- Original Message - From: Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TFMail List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:36 AM Subject: t-and-f: Brussells Changes Does anyone know why the following changes in race personnel have occurred this week ?? Men's 100 Bruny Surin - out Curtis Johnson and Bernard Williams - in Men's 200 Obadele Thompson - out John Drummond - in Men's 400 Alvin Harrison and Greg Haughton - out Anthwan Maybank and Jamie Baulch - in Gregory Haughton is now in Jamaica. He will take a couple days rest, and will leave for Brisbane on August 27 for the Jamaican Pre-Olympic Camp. Stephen Francis
RE: t-and-f: '74 AAU XC Natls. @ CRYSTAL SPRINGS
I'm probably one of the few who has had the pleasure (sarc) of running 10K X-C at Crystal. We had NCAA DII Western Regionals there in 1981. Connover won with F. Assumma 2nd and C. Assumma 3rd and DiConti 4th. I believe I was somewhere around 7th in 32:00 and our team, UCR, was quite victorious over the Cal-Poly's and Humbolt et al. I've always liked the course despite how brutal it is because it's tough but fair with pretty good footing the whole way. -Ray -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of mike fanelli Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 10:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: '74 AAU XC Natls. @ CRYSTAL SPRINGS Crystal Springs (Belmont, CA) served as my "home course" while at both CCSF and SF State University. I therefore have a serious love hate relationship with the less than subtle terrain... exposed, hilly, hot, rutted...all in all, brutal harrier geography. The venue "highlight" that I wanted to share was the fact that in 1974, the Nationals were held here. The 10KM senior men's race went something like this... 1. John Ngeno 29;58, 2. Neil Cusack 30:15 3. Ted Castaneda 30:22 4. Greg Fredericks 30:40 5. Taylor 30:43 6Tibaduiza 30:44 7. Mendoza 30:45 8. Johnson, Tuttle, Peterson, Shorter, Rojas, Bringhurst, Wallace, Howard, Liquori, McGuire, McCubbins, Staynings, Kardong, Timm, Moller, Zarate, Gregorio, Thomas, Crawford, Stemmer, Boit, Smith, McAfee, Brown, Lawson, Manley, Clark, Williams, Galloway, Childers, Clark, Flanagan, Hulst, Vigil, Barger, Ndoo, Leddy, Brown, Fleming, Ruffato, Babiracki, Bacheler, Garcia, TEAM Colorado TC, NYAC, Philly Pioneers, Eastern New Mexico, Club Northwest, Florida Track Club Junior 8KM 1. Bobby Thomas 24:25 2. John Roscoe 24:26 3. Roy Kissin 24:29 4. Ralph Serna 5.Eric Hulst, Buell, Morden, Arbogast, Fulton, Whitaker, Clary, Hansen, Lacy, Simonian, Kingery, Perez Needless to say, the course has some history...serious history...even if it is "merely" cross country (sorry Roger) ...anxiously awaiting Sydney (happy with whatever I can get in the interim) - Mike Fanelli
Re: t-and-f: 1500 metre s'chase?
In a message dated Thu, 24 Aug 2000 4:00:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jason L Bunston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The event is usually contested in the Junior Development ranks (under 17 the most, I believe) in British Columbia. I ran one (only one - I wore knee socks and regretted it after the first water jump) back in 1985 in about 4:53 or so. Since I was a 4:15 runner at the time you can guess-timate the probably lag. Mind you...we were a bunch of 14 year olds so then again maybe the guys in Germany would be closer to their PB/PR. You can't do much resting in that race ___ Jason Bunston It's an easily understandable mistake, seeing as it was spelled wrong, but Karlstad (not Karlstadt) is in Sweden, not Germany. sidehshow
Re: t-and-f: Brussells Changes
I know Bruny suffered a slight injury in the Final of the Canadian champs, which he blamed on the 20 odd minutes between his heat and the final, dictated by TV as the meet was running late. Supposedly he is OK, though. Tony Craddock At 07:36 AM 8/24/00 -0700, Conway wrote: Does anyone know why the following changes in race personnel have occurred this week ?? Men's 100 Bruny Surin - out Curtis Johnson and Bernard Williams - in Men's 200 Obadele Thompson - out John Drummond - in Men's 400 Alvin Harrison and Greg Haughton - out Anthwan Maybank and Jamie Baulch - in Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Bailey
I THINK DONOVAN IS GOING TO PULL IT OFF AGAIN. WHAT DO YOU THINK? Bailey Ran a 9.98 a few months ago - check his website. I saw the race on TV. It was the one in which he got a flyer that was endlessly debated on this list with the suggestion, even, that he might have reacted properly but that all the others were slow! We had a soccer star in England called Rodney Marsh, of Queens Park Rangers, who was extrovert and presumed to be a maverick by the then England manager (coach for those of you in the US) Alf Ramsey. Ramsey reluctantly picked him but told him: "If you don't do what you're told I'll pull you off at half-time." Blimey, said, our Road. "We only get a cup of tea and a biscuit at Queens Park Rangers." Randall Northam
Re: t-and-f: was Crystal Springs. Now NCAA site selection
There is no such "stipulation" nor is there any "Eugene exemption" for the outdoor TF championships-- those are myths. The fact is, no institution west of Lawrence, KS, has bid for the cross country championships since the summer of '94 when the '96 championships were awarded to Arizona. I believe the NCAA TF Committee would love to award the championships to a western site should any decide to bid. Ralph Lindeman, Track Coach US Air Force Academy Member, NCAA TF Committee
t-and-f: Cross? Yes, please.
What do y'all think will be the effect of the women's race being bumped up to 6K? I don't think it will matter much at all. Little happens after about a mile in women's cross anyway. No reason to think an extra 1000 meters will change that. Also, has anyone noticed that the Pre-NCAA meet in Ames is going to be a 10K this year? Interesting. Will some that usually go avoid it this time around? Of course, if they heed Coach McDonnell's words from the TFN article last year they'll want to run another 10K near the end of the season. That's when you want to concentrate on strength, not sharpening or tapering, as many believe. sideshow
RE: t-and-f: '74 AAU XC Natls. @ CRYSTAL SPRINGS
I too was in the 1981 NCAA II West Regional. My experience was less pleasant than Ray's. My Cal State Northridge teammates went 13-14-16-17, but then had a huge gap back to me (sick, 65th) and our other two teammates (one sick, one injured). We placed 4th by a few points, but only 3 were auto qualifiers and we did NOT get an at-large bid although the three teams ahead of us wound up in the top six or seven at nationals. We were pretty pissed. I also raced there earlier in the season, so we could get a look at the course. My first race there was much less than fun as I lost a contact lens before the race and had to run nearly blind. Anyone who's raced that course would attest to how difficult the footing is if you can't see it. So, I guess my impressions of Crystal Springs have more to do with being blind or sick than with the actual course. I can't say I miss running on it. /// Mike Trujillo, Angeleno-in-exile Asst. Girl's Track Field Coach Davenport (Iowa) Central HS (319) 391-5448 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\
RE: t-and-f: Cross? Yes, please.
The question should be, "Why only 6k?" malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 5:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Cross? Yes, please. What do y'all think will be the effect of the women's race being bumped up to 6K? I don't think it will matter much at all. Little happens after about a mile in women's cross anyway. No reason to think an extra 1000 meters will change that. Also, has anyone noticed that the Pre-NCAA meet in Ames is going to be a 10K this year? Interesting. Will some that usually go avoid it this time around? Of course, if they heed Coach McDonnell's words from the TFN article last year they'll want to run another 10K near the end of the season. That's when you want to concentrate on strength, not sharpening or tapering, as many believe. sideshow
Re: t-and-f: No CC Please!
I'm sure it's been debated, beat to death, whatever, but some kind of cross country running at the Olympics would be great. Dunno whether it would "catch" the eye of the TV viewer, or if it would be possible to film the whole thing, but it's certainly lofty thinking. And better than ice dancing. Joe Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: t-and-f: Nandrolone controversy continues
Hi All Two comments on this point from Kelley: Maybe the problem is with the "approved supplements." If these supplements cause this effect, than maybe they should be banned. Firstly, there is no such thing as an "approved supplement". Supplements are made by commercial organisations and the majority of supps sold are sold to bodybuilders, with athletes who need worry about drug testing a very minor consideration. It pays the companies who make these things to secretly put stuff in them to ensure that they work to build muscle. I don't know what testing, if any, is done, but it's certain that the supps market isn't regulated and no-one can know for sure what is in them. To hold an athlete responsible for unlisted ingredients improperly added to a commercial product is insane, as well as unsupportable in the courts of every civilised nation on the planet. Secondly, understandable though it is, the "ban it" reflex is probably what has ensured the drug rules are such a mess as it is. There is no clear dividing line between natural vs artificial substances, legitimate nutrition and artificial aid. The rules are made up on a case by case basis. In this case the contention is that products not containing nandrolone can nevertheless give rise to nandrolone positives due to some unexplained chemical action in the body. How on earth do you ban this? In fact, what do you ban? Individual brands? Cue massive lawsuit from manufacturers. All supplements? Does that include 1500mg vitamin C tablets? Or protein powder? What about hi-energy isotonic drinks? Now, before I get ceremoniously torched, I can of course easily decide between steroids and vitamin C, but they are at different ends of a continuum, which has no obvious place on it to draw a line. Just banning more and more things is totally unworkeable. Perhaps we need someone to re-state very clearly what the purpose of drug testing is and how we plan to distinguish between legitimate and illegitimate aid in a manner which can be understood by the public, avoids embarassing spats like this one, distinguishes between cheats and non-cheats and is supportable in court, ie scientifically and fairly. Justin PS I have no view on the guilt or otherwise of the UK athletes, so please don't read this as a defence of them. My aim is to re-iterate a point I have made several times before, namely that the current drug rules are illogical, unworkeable and arbitrary, and that the IAAF's position is confused, arrogant and fails to take account of the basic legal rights of athletes for whom a positive test means the end of their livelihood. ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
t-and-f: New Zealand Trials results request
Anybody know where I can find the results of the New Zealand Olympic track trials. In particular, I'd like to know the results of the men's 5000 meters. Thank you. Keith Whitman Head Cross Country Coach Assistant Track Field Coach University of Nebraska at Kearney Office (308) 865-8070 Home (308) 338-1115 http://www.lopers.com/xcountry/default.htm Fax # (308) 865-8187
Re: t-and-f: Now I get it
Dave Carey wrote: European meet directors also have European audiences. European audiences have nationality. European audiences care passionately who wins a particular race or field event. The closest thing that Americans have to nationality is professional sports teams, such as baseball, basketball, or football. Professional sports teams, of course, don't translate over to track. We don't have nationality. We have states. For example, people in Fayetteville (my impression at the NCAA indoor meet in March) tend to root for the Razorbacks. Which might, conceivably, hold also for ex-Razorbacks. Does that have any potential? And why or why not? This is an open question to list members generally, not a retort to Dave Carey. Chris Kuykendall Austin, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
