Re: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN
By the way, Sean Albert (who finished 3rd in the walk in Eugene) also RAN some pretty good miles in New Jersey for Paramus High School and St. Peter's College. He never ran a 4:10 mile to my knowledge, but I bet he could have beaten Jack Lemon. Of course, Jack was already in his 60's by then. Ed Koch But could Lemmon have beaten Cary Grant (of Walk, Don't Run fame) in the racewalk at the '64 Olympics? Dave Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hey Grotey Baby, I've a freshman walker here in Ireland who can run 4:12 mile. Sean Tell him to quit walking, and try to be the next Eamonn Coghlan. That is, unless he is setting World-age records in walking also. A 15-year old runner who can run 4:12, has a great chance at being an internationalist.
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He's actually better at walking. I may be mistaken but 4:12 is only about 3:54 for 1500 Thats not world record breaking stuff. There are quite a few 15 year old in Ireland and Britain of that standard, but then again if he actually trained for runningwho knows? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mcewen, Brian T Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:57 PM Cc: TF Listserve Subject: RE: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN Hey Grotey Baby, I've a freshman walker here in Ireland who can run 4:12 mile. Sean Tell him to quit walking, and try to be the next Eamonn Coghlan. That is, unless he is setting World-age records in walking also. A 15-year old runner who can run 4:12, has a great chance at being an internationalist.
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There are quite a few 15 year old in Ireland and Britain of that standard, but then again if he actually trained for runningwho knows? 19 year olds are stronger than 15 year olds ... and 23 year olds are stronger than 19 year olds. If England and Ireland are chock-full of 4:12'ers at 15 years old ... how come there aren't boatloads of 3:35 guys? After all, the U.S.'s last few supermilers were NOT 4:12 level at such a young age. Hall 4:22 1600 10th Webb 4:23 1600 9th (4:06 in 10th) Ritz 4:25 1600 9th (4:14 in 10th) Sage 4:16 1600 9th Either we are doing something really right, or these 15 year olds are developing horribly. /Brian McEwen -Original Message- From: Michael Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:08 AM To: 'Mcewen, Brian T' Cc: 'TF Listserve' Subject: RE: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN He's actually better at walking. I may be mistaken but 4:12 is only about 3:54 for 1500 Thats not world record breaking stuff. There are quite a few 15 year old in Ireland and Britain of that standard, but then again if he actually trained for runningwho knows? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mcewen, Brian T Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:57 PM Cc: TF Listserve Subject: RE: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN Hey Grotey Baby, I've a freshman walker here in Ireland who can run 4:12 mile. Sean Tell him to quit walking, and try to be the next Eamonn Coghlan. That is, unless he is setting World-age records in walking also. A 15-year old runner who can run 4:12, has a great chance at being an internationalist.
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Not knocking Pollinger at all, knocking the guy who in the first place did not designate what event Pollinger was setting records in... Obviously I am not a fan of racewalking, but that does not matter. I'm not a fan of the Red Sox, either. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: Edward Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sean other [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 9:56 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN Why not just agree that Zagorski is the best upcoming NJ athlete whose last name begins with Z and Zac Pollinger is the best whose first name begins with Z. (unless Ed Grant wants to throw some additional names at us.) And we all know from the posts submitted by Ryan, Ed, me and others that New Jersey has numerous great athletes. By the way, I can attest that Zac is not Mr.. Roth's boy. I know Zac's dad well. Bill Pollinger is USATF-NJ Secretary and a USATF Certified Official. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: sean other [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 07, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN Hey Grotey Baby, I've a freshman walker here in Ireland who can run 4:12 mile. Sean --- Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only that another kid from NJ, freshman from Parsipanny Hills named Jeremy Zagorski, set a Morris County frosh record in the 1600 this year of 4:16 and change. Bet that is quicker than your boy Zach Pollinger did his mile...OK, his was indoors, and the 4:16 was for 1600m. So let me get this straight, if you didn't mention the racewalking and are getting all defensive about not denigrating it or making it less deserving, are you saying that its all equal if on foot? If that is the case, then your boy can go ahead and enter the NJSIAA high school meets and be judged on the same guidelines, time and place, right? That is, since they don't have racewalking in high school track in NJ...which of course doesn't make it less deserving as an event. Maybe your boy Pollinger can tangle with Zagorski next year...only that Zagorski ran his PR in the Meet Of Champions, which you have to qualify for...Pollinger would not qualify, in fact wouldn't even make the sectionals. But oh wait, thats different he's WALKING. Oh wait, racewalking is a differnent discipline, different event, right? So why did you fail to mention it as such? You can't just go out and say some that John Godina threw 70 feet and some high school kid threw 120, lots of them actually, ones that didn't even make it to the state meetwithout talking about what they throw. 70 feet in shot...pretty darned good. 120 feet in the discus...not all that exceptional. So maybe your boy did set a record, but make it clear what the record was. Unless you feel embarassed by it. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: re: NJ Superstars Ryan, There was no neglect at all, and no reason to denigrate these performances by somehow qualifying them as less deserving because of the event that they choose to undertake. Next . . . MJR __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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Sam, Wait, i'm mixing sports here, just as Mr. Roth was mixing powerwalking with running. DUH?! Never done this, never will. Also, I have NEVER, EVER, made any reference to Powerwalking being part of TF. Race Walking, as an Olympic Event, is such. Please take the time to educate yourself. By the way, Mr. Roth, don't assume that people think powerwalking is silly are stupid. Seems to me that the stupid person assumes that those who disagree with him are stupid. Again, I have never said this. Also, I said that to listen to such stupidity of the ignoramuses who can't use any grey matter is a cause for our pride in the event within which we undertake. In little words, the ignorant people say stupid things because they do not have the proper information in their brain. Bringing Powerwalking into the conversation is such an example. I have no problem with people who disagree with me, as long as they have a rationale behind the disagreement and can converse intelligently using facts to backup their opinions. I actually welcome these type of discussions. Michael
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But we all know that Cary Grant was a DNF in the movie. Some say he intended to be just a rabbit. Others say he did not have the stamina for the 50k and should have entered the 20k instead. -Original Message- From: Dave Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Edward Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN By the way, Sean Albert (who finished 3rd in the walk in Eugene) also RAN some pretty good miles in New Jersey for Paramus High School and St. Peter's College. He never ran a 4:10 mile to my knowledge, but I bet he could have beaten Jack Lemon. Of course, Jack was already in his 60's by then. Ed Koch But could Lemmon have beaten Cary Grant (of Walk, Don't Run fame) in the racewalk at the '64 Olympics? Dave Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ryan, Just remember that New Jersey is often referred to as a Mecca of Racewalking and New Jersey rules. Congrats on your recent victory. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Edward Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED]; sean other [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:53 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN Not knocking Pollinger at all, knocking the guy who in the first place did not designate what event Pollinger was setting records in... Obviously I am not a fan of racewalking, but that does not matter. I'm not a fan of the Red Sox, either. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: Edward Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sean other [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 9:56 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN Why not just agree that Zagorski is the best upcoming NJ athlete whose last name begins with Z and Zac Pollinger is the best whose first name begins with Z. (unless Ed Grant wants to throw some additional names at us.) And we all know from the posts submitted by Ryan, Ed, me and others that New Jersey has numerous great athletes. By the way, I can attest that Zac is not Mr.. Roth's boy. I know Zac's dad well. Bill Pollinger is USATF-NJ Secretary and a USATF Certified Official. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: sean other [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 07, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN Hey Grotey Baby, I've a freshman walker here in Ireland who can run 4:12 mile. Sean --- Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only that another kid from NJ, freshman from Parsipanny Hills named Jeremy Zagorski, set a Morris County frosh record in the 1600 this year of 4:16 and change. Bet that is quicker than your boy Zach Pollinger did his mile...OK, his was indoors, and the 4:16 was for 1600m. So let me get this straight, if you didn't mention the racewalking and are getting all defensive about not denigrating it or making it less deserving, are you saying that its all equal if on foot? If that is the case, then your boy can go ahead and enter the NJSIAA high school meets and be judged on the same guidelines, time and place, right? That is, since they don't have racewalking in high school track in NJ...which of course doesn't make it less deserving as an event. Maybe your boy Pollinger can tangle with Zagorski next year...only that Zagorski ran his PR in the Meet Of Champions, which you have to qualify for...Pollinger would not qualify, in fact wouldn't even make the sectionals. But oh wait, thats different he's WALKING. Oh wait, racewalking is a differnent discipline, different event, right? So why did you fail to mention it as such? You can't just go out and say some that John Godina threw 70 feet and some high school kid threw 120, lots of them actually, ones that didn't even make it to the state meetwithout talking about what they throw. 70 feet in shot...pretty darned good. 120 feet in the discus...not all that exceptional. So maybe your boy did set a record, but make it clear what the record was. Unless you feel embarassed by it. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: re: NJ Superstars Ryan, There was no neglect at all, and no reason to denigrate these performances by somehow qualifying them as less deserving because of the event that they choose to undertake. Next . . . MJR __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN
Hey Grotey Baby, I've a freshman walker here in Ireland who can run 4:12 mile. Sean --- Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only that another kid from NJ, freshman from Parsipanny Hills named Jeremy Zagorski, set a Morris County frosh record in the 1600 this year of 4:16 and change. Bet that is quicker than your boy Zach Pollinger did his mile...OK, his was indoors, and the 4:16 was for 1600m. So let me get this straight, if you didn't mention the racewalking and are getting all defensive about not denigrating it or making it less deserving, are you saying that its all equal if on foot? If that is the case, then your boy can go ahead and enter the NJSIAA high school meets and be judged on the same guidelines, time and place, right? That is, since they don't have racewalking in high school track in NJ...which of course doesn't make it less deserving as an event. Maybe your boy Pollinger can tangle with Zagorski next year...only that Zagorski ran his PR in the Meet Of Champions, which you have to qualify for...Pollinger would not qualify, in fact wouldn't even make the sectionals. But oh wait, thats different he's WALKING. Oh wait, racewalking is a differnent discipline, different event, right? So why did you fail to mention it as such? You can't just go out and say some that John Godina threw 70 feet and some high school kid threw 120, lots of them actually, ones that didn't even make it to the state meetwithout talking about what they throw. 70 feet in shot...pretty darned good. 120 feet in the discus...not all that exceptional. So maybe your boy did set a record, but make it clear what the record was. Unless you feel embarassed by it. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: re: NJ Superstars Ryan, There was no neglect at all, and no reason to denigrate these performances by somehow qualifying them as less deserving because of the event that they choose to undertake. Next . . . MJR __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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Why not just agree that Zagorski is the best upcoming NJ athlete whose last name begins with Z and Zac Pollinger is the best whose first name begins with Z. (unless Ed Grant wants to throw some additional names at us.) And we all know from the posts submitted by Ryan, Ed, me and others that New Jersey has numerous great athletes. By the way, I can attest that Zac is not Mr.. Roth's boy. I know Zac's dad well. Bill Pollinger is USATF-NJ Secretary and a USATF Certified Official. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: sean other [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 07, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN Hey Grotey Baby, I've a freshman walker here in Ireland who can run 4:12 mile. Sean --- Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only that another kid from NJ, freshman from Parsipanny Hills named Jeremy Zagorski, set a Morris County frosh record in the 1600 this year of 4:16 and change. Bet that is quicker than your boy Zach Pollinger did his mile...OK, his was indoors, and the 4:16 was for 1600m. So let me get this straight, if you didn't mention the racewalking and are getting all defensive about not denigrating it or making it less deserving, are you saying that its all equal if on foot? If that is the case, then your boy can go ahead and enter the NJSIAA high school meets and be judged on the same guidelines, time and place, right? That is, since they don't have racewalking in high school track in NJ...which of course doesn't make it less deserving as an event. Maybe your boy Pollinger can tangle with Zagorski next year...only that Zagorski ran his PR in the Meet Of Champions, which you have to qualify for...Pollinger would not qualify, in fact wouldn't even make the sectionals. But oh wait, thats different he's WALKING. Oh wait, racewalking is a differnent discipline, different event, right? So why did you fail to mention it as such? You can't just go out and say some that John Godina threw 70 feet and some high school kid threw 120, lots of them actually, ones that didn't even make it to the state meetwithout talking about what they throw. 70 feet in shot...pretty darned good. 120 feet in the discus...not all that exceptional. So maybe your boy did set a record, but make it clear what the record was. Unless you feel embarassed by it. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: re: NJ Superstars Ryan, There was no neglect at all, and no reason to denigrate these performances by somehow qualifying them as less deserving because of the event that they choose to undertake. Next . . . MJR __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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By the way, Sean Albert (3rd place in the walk in Eugene) also RAN pretty good miles in New Jersey for Paramus High School and St. Peter's College although to my knowledge he never got down to 4:10 - but I bet he could have beaten Jack Lemmon. (Of course,Jack was already in his 60's by then.) Ed Koch -Original Message- From: sean other [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 07, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN Hey Grotey Baby, I've a freshman walker here in Ireland who can run 4:12 mile. Sean --- Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only that another kid from NJ, freshman from Parsipanny Hills named Jeremy Zagorski, set a Morris County frosh record in the 1600 this year of 4:16 and change. Bet that is quicker than your boy Zach Pollinger did his mile...OK, his was indoors, and the 4:16 was for 1600m. So let me get this straight, if you didn't mention the racewalking and are getting all defensive about not denigrating it or making it less deserving, are you saying that its all equal if on foot? If that is the case, then your boy can go ahead and enter the NJSIAA high school meets and be judged on the same guidelines, time and place, right? That is, since they don't have racewalking in high school track in NJ...which of course doesn't make it less deserving as an event. Maybe your boy Pollinger can tangle with Zagorski next year...only that Zagorski ran his PR in the Meet Of Champions, which you have to qualify for...Pollinger would not qualify, in fact wouldn't even make the sectionals. But oh wait, thats different he's WALKING. Oh wait, racewalking is a differnent discipline, different event, right? So why did you fail to mention it as such? You can't just go out and say some that John Godina threw 70 feet and some high school kid threw 120, lots of them actually, ones that didn't even make it to the state meetwithout talking about what they throw. 70 feet in shot...pretty darned good. 120 feet in the discus...not all that exceptional. So maybe your boy did set a record, but make it clear what the record was. Unless you feel embarassed by it. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: re: NJ Superstars Ryan, There was no neglect at all, and no reason to denigrate these performances by somehow qualifying them as less deserving because of the event that they choose to undertake. Next . . . MJR __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
