Re: t-and-f: Re: t-and-f-digest V1 #3543

2001-04-13 Thread alan tobin

Testing at
birth wouldn't tell you much since your growth is to a large degree
genetically programmed. It would have to be after the last growth spurt.

Well, then there would be no good way to test for genetic lung capacity 
because after birth you will improve your lung capacity by your activity 
(running to and from school, tending to the flock). It could be that a 
certain group of people turn out to be great runners because the walk and 
run a lot as children. Take a look at US history over the past 50 years. We 
have turned more and more away from our rural roots. Our children sit 
around, watch TV and get fat. That is why we have the highest child obesity 
rate in the worldwe are lazy as a whole. That was not true 50 years ago.

Alan
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t-and-f: Re: t-and-f-digest V1 #3543

2001-04-12 Thread Jon Entine

Tests on sedentary adult males comparing different populations. Testing at
birth wouldn't tell you much since your growth is to a large degree
genetically programmed. It would have to be after the last growth spurt.
Scientists testing muscular fiber type, such as Claude Bouchard whose work
is renowned in this area, focus on such a late teenage or early twenties
groups.


On 4/12/01 7:23 PM, "t-and-f-digest"
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 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:19:24 -0700
 From: Ed  Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: t-and-f: lung capacity
 
 Jon Entine wrote:
 
 East Africans also have huge natural lung capacity
 
 Do you mean untrained lung capacity?  The only way I can imagine you could
 test for "natural" lung capacity would be at birth.
 
 - - Ed Parrot

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Re: t-and-f: Re: t-and-f-digest V1 #3543

2001-04-12 Thread Ed Dana Parrot

 Tests on sedentary adult males comparing different populations. Testing at
 birth wouldn't tell you much since your growth is to a large degree
 genetically programmed. It would have to be after the last growth spurt.
 Scientists testing muscular fiber type, such as Claude Bouchard whose work
 is renowned in this area, focus on such a late teenage or early twenties
 groups.

Testing after the last growth spurt won't allow you to conclude much about
genetics.  By then, environmental and social factors could be the reason as
opposed to "natural" talent.  Now, if you took a decent sample size (in the
hundreds at least) of Kenyan babies and had them raised in the U.S. by
American families at sea level, you might be a lot closer to getting a
comparison.  Although really, you should do the same thing with a group of
americans of European descent and raise them in Kenya as well.  I doubt
either of these ideas is particularly practical.

Personally, I believe that genetics, environment AND social factors all play
a role, but I have no proof of that.  I suspect it would be very difficult
to design a study that would conclusively link genetics to adult lung
capacity, even if genetics are indeed the main reason for the Kenyan lung
capacity.  I suppose you could identify the individual genes that are
believed to be causing this, and compare these genes in Kenyans vs.
westerners, but even genes often have environmental triggers.

I am constantly amazed at how often conclusions are made based on samples
that could not support the conclusions regardless of the actual finding

- ed parrot