Re: [Tagging] gym as an amenity value
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 18:16, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 08/03/2012 16:54, Clifford Snow wrote: I do not see gym listed as a value for the tag amenity. I would like to see it as a recognized key value for amenity. Taginfo, http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity shows 644 gym, 8 Gym and some forms of health_club. Gym is defined as A membership organization that provides a range of facilities designed to improve and maintain physical fitness and health. In my town of Seattle, neighborhoods have numerous gyms that fit the definition. What is the correct process to get gym approved. I'd also like to see it added to potlatch2. I have found a public domain icon that could be used. Any suggestions on how to proceed would be appreciated. The term gym is ambiguous, as it can also mean gymnasium. ie a place at a school for sports, or a place for doing gymnastics etc. I think its best to avoid the term for tagging. I would suggest a tag of something like fitness_centre or fitness_club, which are clearer what they mean. Also, it should probably be under the key for leisure, not amenity. So a tag of leisure=fitness_centre or leisure=fitness_club You mean: leisure=sport_centre Serisouly if you want to map gyms please try to make the documentation better, it's currently a mess. I've undeleted amentiy=gym, so this FAQ doesn't come up again. -- /emj ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] gym as an amenity value
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 11:04, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 18:16, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 08/03/2012 16:54, Clifford Snow wrote: I do not see gym listed as a value for the tag amenity. I would like to see it as a recognized key value for amenity. Taginfo, http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity shows 644 gym, 8 Gym and some forms of health_club. Gym is defined as A membership organization that provides a range of facilities designed to improve and maintain physical fitness and health. In my town of Seattle, neighborhoods have numerous gyms that fit the definition. What is the correct process to get gym approved. I'd also like to see it added to potlatch2. I have found a public domain icon that could be used. Any suggestions on how to proceed would be appreciated. The term gym is ambiguous, as it can also mean gymnasium. ie a place at a school for sports, or a place for doing gymnastics etc. I think its best to avoid the term for tagging. I would suggest a tag of something like fitness_centre or fitness_club, which are clearer what they mean. Also, it should probably be under the key for leisure, not amenity. So a tag of leisure=fitness_centre or leisure=fitness_club You mean: leisure=sport_centre Serisouly if you want to map gyms please try to make the documentation better, it's currently a mess. I've undeleted amentiy=gym, so this FAQ doesn't come up again. I added a picture to the wikipage to show the problem: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dgym -- /emj ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] gym as an amenity value
On 09.03.12 11:04, Erik Johansson wrote: You mean: leisure=sport_centre probably leisure=sport*s*_centre ;) But leisure=fitness_centre would make sense to me (it's different from, say, a soccer club). BTW, can anybody tell me what is ment with those 622 fitness_stations? http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/leisure=fitness_station /al ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] gym as an amenity value
On 09/03/2012 10:04, Erik Johansson wrote: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 18:16, Craig Wallacecraig...@fastmail.fm wrote: The term gym is ambiguous, as it can also mean gymnasium. ie a place at a school for sports, or a place for doing gymnastics etc. I think its best to avoid the term for tagging. I would suggest a tag of something like fitness_centre or fitness_club, which are clearer what they mean. Also, it should probably be under the key for leisure, not amenity. So a tag of leisure=fitness_centre or leisure=fitness_club You mean: leisure=sport_centre I think a fitness centre is a bit different to a sports centre. A fitness centre usually has facilities for weight lifting, and exercise machines, treadmills etc. Whereas a sports centre is usually larger, and has games halls, pitches etc. Though a lot of sports centres also include some sort of fitness centre within them. So I think some sort of different tagging would be useful. Maybe fitness centres/gyms could be tagged as leisure=sports_centre + sport=fitness ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] How to tag a trail blaze
Hi all, Someone on our local list is asking how we can tag such trail blaze we meet in the countryside to mark a hiking route. Here is a picture of two fixed on a fallen tree: https://plus.google.com/photos/107503929149262426060/albums/5717596284661304225?banner=pwa He is asking because a local community is maintaining such marks and would like to locate them in OSM in addition to the route itself. Our current proposal is to use a node tagged with: tourism=information information=trail_blaze hiking=yes operator= support=tree|pole|rock description= Any comments about this ? Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Farm hard standing --- how should we tag it?
In some areas of the country (noticeably the Fens, with their wet soil, I think) there are concreted areas beside farm tracks, that farmers use for storing things on (such as hay bales). I don't know what these are called, and have generally not mapped them, but they are a noticeable feature of the countryside. There's an example (with a provisional tag) at: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/154151708 Any suggestions? I don't think they really count as landuse=farmyard as I think that should refer to the central farmyard(s) of a farm, where the barns etc are. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trail blaze
Looks nice to me. Is already in (very rare) use. Problem is that it is very perishable data, at least in this part of the world. These signs have to be repainted very frequently, and will not always be repainted in the same place. Volker Padova, Italy On 9 March 2012 15:45, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Someone on our local list is asking how we can tag such trail blaze we meet in the countryside to mark a hiking route. Here is a picture of two fixed on a fallen tree: https://plus.google.com/photos/107503929149262426060/albums/5717596284661304225?banner=pwa He is asking because a local community is maintaining such marks and would like to locate them in OSM in addition to the route itself. Our current proposal is to use a node tagged with: tourism=information information=trail_blaze hiking=yes operator= support=tree|pole|rock description= Any comments about this ? Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Farm hard standing --- how should we tag it?
John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: In some areas of the country (noticeably the Fens, with their wet soil, I think) there are concreted areas beside farm tracks, that farmers use for storing things on (such as hay bales). I don't know what these are called, and have generally not mapped them, but they are a noticeable feature of the countryside. There's an example (with a provisional tag) at: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/154151708 Any suggestions? I don't think they really count as landuse=farmyard as I think that should refer to the central farmyard(s) of a farm, where the barns etc are. __John Perhaps the best solution would be to ask some farmers, in such areas, what they call these concrete slabs? I would suggest asking several, so that you can learn whether or not there is a consistent term for them. Alternately, contact a company that is likely to be in the business of building such concrete slabs. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] gym as an amenity value
Am 9. März 2012 14:15 schrieb Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm: I think a fitness centre is a bit different to a sports centre. A fitness centre usually has facilities for weight lifting, and exercise machines, treadmills etc. Whereas a sports centre is usually larger, and has games halls, pitches etc. Though a lot of sports centres also include some sort of fitness centre within them. So I think some sort of different tagging would be useful. Maybe fitness centres/gyms could be tagged as leisure=sports_centre + sport=fitness ? I am in favour of leisure=fitness_centre instead of subtagging sports-centre. As you pointed out: »I think a fitness centre is a bit different to a sports centre.« cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] gym as an amenity value
I *think* a fitness station is a stop on a fitness trail. Some parks and children's camps have a marked trail that you travel along, and at each stop there is some sort of activity to do - a rope climb, step climb, balance beam, tire running, pull up bar, that sort of thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitness_trail Stephen On 9 March 2012 22:04, Andreas Labres l...@lab.at wrote: On 09.03.12 11:04, Erik Johansson wrote: You mean: leisure=sport_centre probably leisure=sport*s*_centre ;) But leisure=fitness_centre would make sense to me (it's different from, say, a soccer club). BTW, can anybody tell me what is ment with those 622 fitness_stations? http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/leisure=fitness_station /al ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] gym as an amenity value
Sorry to butt in but it can also be these places in parks that are like outside gyms. The normal equipment you find in a gym but in a park! On March 9, 2012 3:06:19 PM PST, Stephen Hope wrote: I *think* a fitness station is a stop on a fitness trail. Some parks and children's camps have a marked trail that you travel along, and at each stop there is some sort of activity to do - a rope climb, step climb, balance beam, tire running, pull up bar, that sort of thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitness_trail Stephen On 9 March 2012 22:04, Andreas Labres l...@lab.at wrote: On 09.03.12 11:04, Erik Johansson wrote: You mean: leisure=sport_centre probably leisure=sport*s*_centre ;) But leisure=fitness_centre would make sense to me (it's different from, say, a soccer club). BTW, can anybody tell me what is ment with those 622 fitness_stations? http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/leisure=fitness_station /al ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trail blaze
Pieren pier...@gmail.com writes: tourism=information information=trail_blaze hiking=yes operator= support=tree|pole|rock description= That seems reasonable. But, there are various kinds of markers for trails I have encountered, and some of them would not necessarily be called blazes. I've seen: painted rectangles on trees plastic triangles nailed to trees 1.5x3x0.75 painted blocks nailed to trees (all of these qualify as blaze) and piles of rocks, where there are no trees (cairns) I'm not sure if cairns count as blazes in hiking parlance. But it seems fair enough to call them that, and it makes sense to have trail_blaze=paint trail_blaze=plastic trail_blaze=wood trail_blaze=cairn trail_blaze_shape=triangle trail_blaze_colour=yellow This feels like overkill, but I have been putting 'name=yellow' on trails that have yellow blazes and no name, because it's useful (even if a bit off) and because people call that the yellow trail. So I would expect you to have two nodes (next to each other) when there are two blazes. I would expect the purpose can be blaze inventory by the trail maintenance group producing a map with the trail's colors labeled and also showing little marks for the blazes. pgp7Gts5j0uJM.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trail blaze
You can also use traffic_sign=blaze (as with signs mounted on buildings and the old practice of painting signs on telephone poles). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trail blaze
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: He is asking because a local community is maintaining such marks and would like to locate them in OSM in addition to the route itself. Our current proposal is to use a node tagged with: tourism=information information=trail_blaze hiking=yes operator= support=tree|pole|rock description= Maybe the word marker rather than trail_blaze. Then it could be used equally be more formal, permanent trail markers. tourism=information information=trail_marker OTOH, information=trail_blaze already has 925 uses, so perhaps that's the de facto standard already. Btw, I think using support this way is a French-ism. I don't immediately have a better suggestion, maybe information:attached_to=tree. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] gym as an amenity value
I understand the issue with the tag value of gym. I talked to the owner of a gym I use. He said that they typically use gym in conversation with others in the business. Fitness club/center is also used. He differentiated gym/fitness center with health clubs in the range of services offered. A health club will offer services such as massage, tanning, juice bars, etc while a gym has fewer services. (Health clubs can charge more.) I would be happy with the tag Fitness Center instead. However, I'm concerned that there are hundreds of gym values for the amenity tag. A quick search showed that some of the gyms are actually school gymnasiums. Wikipedia has gymnasium as a disambiguation reference. Perhaps school gyms should be encouraged to use the full name to avoid confusion. Use of the tag leisure instead of amenity to me is not accurate. Leisure activities are golf, softball, tennis, etc. Fitness isn't a leisure activity. A lot of us go to a gym so we can be better at our leisure activities. To me fitness centers are more related to health than leisure. I'd prefer to use the tag amenity instead. Thoughts? Clifford ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] gym as an amenity value
Il giorno 10/mar/2012 06:49, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us ha scritto: To me fitness centers are more related to health than leisure. I'd prefer to use the tag amenity instead. Thoughts? I feel like I'm in prison when I go to the gym[0]… Clifford Stefano [0] wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Prison ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
