Re: [Tagging] leisure=swimming_pool for the pool or the complex?
I used to tag the area as leisure=water_park and the pools within as leisure=swimming_pool (with sport = swimming for those that are deep and long enough for competitive swimming). Usually there are other things withing the area like leisure=playground or leisure=pitch. I found no suitable tag to represent the grass area that is usually used to lay down around the pool, sun-bath, play or make a small picnic. Neither landcover nor landuse seem to fit. regards, Chaos 2013/7/23 Gerhard Hermanns gerhard.herma...@uni-due.de Hi, I don't agree with the use of the landuse-key. Landuse should be used for larger areas where you need a (generic) term for a conglomerate of objects (like landuse=residential for an area with houses, garages, gardens, streets - each of which can also be mapped seperately), but not for single objects like a pool. Am 23.07.2013 05:23, schrieb John F. Eldredge: I am saying that the land_use tag makes sense for in-ground pools, since they greatly reduce the odds of the land subsequently being used for some other purpose. In that case it would also be valid to use landuse=building or something like that because the same argument holds here. I don't think that the landuse-key should be used in such way. In short, I'm a bit concerned about the increasing use of the landuse-key for everything that covers a relatively small space, since the key is intended for large areas. Seoman Yes, I know such reuse does happen on rare occasions; the city of Nashville, TN, closed all of its public pools in the 1960's rather than obey a court order to integrate them, and turned at least one of the pools into a sunken garden. Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:04 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: You state The pool after all is a man-made object that just sits on the ground. Some pools sit on the surface of the ground, and so could potentially be moved from one location to another. Others are built into an excavation, and can't be moved without demolishing them. They are a permanent change to the landscape, unless you fill them in. Surely you don't mean to suggest we need to map a distinction between movable and unmovable pools? Last week I watched a building getting moved. As a kid my parents went to the low rent ski area. The lift poles were different colors, sometimes two or three to a pole. The lift had been assembled from the parts of other lifts decommissioned at other areas. Everything in the man_made category can be moved, including at unsustainable cost, the in-ground pools. -- Tagging mailing listTagging@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing listTagging@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] leisure=swimming_pool for the pool or the complex?
On 23/lug/2013, at 08:43, Gerhard Hermanns gerhard.herma...@uni-due.de wrote: Landuse should be used for larger areas where you need a (generic) term for a conglomerate of objects (like landuse=residential for an area with houses, garages, gardens, streets - each of which can also be mapped seperately), but not for single objects like a pool. like every tag landuse describes the object that it is attached to, actually it describes the usage. Preferably you shouldnt tag streets with landuse=residential, as they don't take part in the land (are not lots but are public land open to every person for movement). There is no sense in requiring more than one lot in order to tag landuse, simply map what is there: if there is one single lot with a particular landuse this should be reflected in the mapping. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] one way part of the year
Am 23.07.2013 01:42, schrieb Tod Fitch: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ski#Other_Features gives a piste:one way tag which seems like it should fit the bill. oneway:ski=yes/-1 would fit, too but you seem to talk about the piste feature. fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] one way part of the year
Your question was about a way used for nordic skiing in winter and that while being used for skiing it was one way but for the rest of the year was both way. So I assume that you'll be tagging it with piste:type=nordic, piste:grooming=*, piste:difficulty=*, etc. Seemed natural to me that piste:oneway=yes might fit. :) -Tod On Jul 23, 2013, at 6:22 AM, fly wrote: Am 23.07.2013 01:42, schrieb Tod Fitch: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ski#Other_Features gives a piste:one way tag which seems like it should fit the bill. oneway:ski=yes/-1 would fit, too but you seem to talk about the piste feature. fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] new tagging scheme for detailed information.
I have looked at them and found some that maybe already have tags:
building:year -- start_datehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:start_date
building:roof:material --
roof:materialhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:roof:material
building:roof:slope --
roof:shapehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:roof:shape#Roof(there
are several examples there)
facility:bed:count -- beds=* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:beds
Others seem new to me.
Here it is, in text format:
Building Wise:
[
{key:building,alias:Building,value:[NA,kindergarten,school,college,university,hospital,clinic,nursing_home,health_post]},
{key:building:ownership,alias:Owner,value:[NA,Self,Rent]},
{key:building:year,alias:Estimated Building
Age,value:[NA,2013_2000,1990-2000,1960-1990,Before_1960]},
{key:building:retrofit,alias:Retrofitted,value:[NA,Yes,No]},
{key:building:levels,alias:Storeys,value:[NA,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,gt10]},
{key:building:structure,alias:Structural
System,value:[NA,Non_Engineered_RC_Frame,Engineered_RC_Frame,Load_Bearing_Brick_Wall_in_Cement_Mortar,Load_Bearing_Brick_Wall_in_Mud_Mortar,Load_Bearing_Stone_Wall_in_Cement_Mortar,Load_Bearing_Stone_Wall_in_Mud_Mortar,Adobe,Mixed]},
{key:building:floor:material,alias:Floor
Material,value:[NA,Wood,Bamboo,RCC/RBC,Jack_Arch,Others]},
{key:building:roof:material,alias:Roof
Material,value:[NA,Jhingati,Clay_Tiles,CGI,RCC/RBC,Others]},
{key:building:roof:slope,alias:Roof
Slope,value:[NA,Flat,Sloped,Mixed]},
{key:building:adjacency,alias:Adjoining
Buildings,value:[NA,One_Side_Same_Height,One_Side_Different_Height,Two_Sides_Same_Height,Two_Sides_Different_Height,Three_Sides_Same_Height,Three_Sides_Different_Height,Free_Standing]},
{key:building:shape:plan,alias:Building Shape in
Plan,value:[NA,Rectangular,T-Shaped,L-Shaped,U-Shaped,Multi-Projected,Triangular]},
{key:building:shape:elevation,alias:Building Shape in
Elevation,value:[NA,Regular,Setback,Tall]},
{key:building:condition,alias:Visible Physical
Condition,value:[NA,Poor,Average,Good]},
{key:building:overhang,alias:Overhangs,value:[NA,Yes,No]},
{key:building:soft_storey,alias:Soft Storeys,value:[NA,Yes,No]},
{key:building:seismic_resistance,alias:Presence of Earthquake Resistant
Elements (Lintel Band, Sill Band, Gable
band,value:[NA,Yes,No,Partial]}
];
Educational Facility Wise:
[
{key:amenity,alias:Facility type,value:school,college,university},
{key:isced:level,alais:School
Level,value:[kindergarten,primary,lower_secondary,secondary,higher_secondary,college,university]},
{key:management_type,alais:Type,value:[government,private,community]},
{key:facility:personnel:count,alais:No of Teachers and
Staff,value:[actual number]},
{key:facility:student:count,alais:No of Students,value:[actual
number]},
{key:facility:student:count,alais:No of Buildings,value:[actual
number]},
{key:facility:building:count,alais:No of Buildings,value:[actual
number]}
]
Health Facility Wise
[
{key:amenity,alais:Facility
type,value:[hospital,clinic,nursing_home,denist,health_post,health_center]},
{key:management_type,alais:Type,value:[government,private,community]},
{key:facility:bed:count,alais:No of beds,value:[actual value]},
{key:facility:opd:patients:count,alais:No of Out patients per
day,value:[actual number]},
{key:facility:personnel:count,alais:No of personnel,value:[actual
number]},
{key:facility:building:count,alais:No of Buildings,value:[actual
number]},
{key:facility:OT,alais:OT,value:[yes,no]},
{key:facility:X-Ray,alais:X-Ray,value:[yes,no]},
{key:facility:Ventilators,alais:Ventilators,value:[yes,no]},
{key:facility:ICU-CCU,alais:ICU-CCU,value:[yes,no]}
]
2013/7/23 amrit karmacharya amrit...@gmail.com
Over the last several months, we have mapped all the schools and health
facility buildings here in Kathmandu, Nepal visiting the ground with
GPS-enabled devices. This data will primarily be used in earthquake
vulnerability assessment
We are now trying to upload these information in OSM. When we check at the
OSM wikis, we find tags do not already exist for all our data. For example,
tags do not exist for building structure type, column size, seismic
resistance, bays. We have developed our own tagging guidelines for these and
other data. We would like these tags to be reviewed by the community so that
we can post it in the wiki. This will help to maintain an international
standard while tagging these data.
Attached ia a file which lists the k-v pairs we will use. it is structures
like a preset format.
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Re: [Tagging] new tagging scheme for detailed information.
Am 23.07.2013 07:38, schrieb amrit karmacharya: Over the last several months, we have mapped all the schools and health facility buildings here in Kathmandu, Nepal visiting the ground with GPS-enabled devices. This data will primarily be used in earthquake vulnerability assessment We are now trying to upload these information in OSM. When we check at the OSM wikis, we find tags do not already exist for all our data. For example, tags do not exist for building structure type, column size, seismic resistance, bays. We have developed our own tagging guidelines for these and other data. We would like these tags to be reviewed by the community so that we can post it in the wiki. This will help to maintain an international standard while tagging these data. Attached ia a file which lists the k-v pairs we will use. it is structures like a preset format. Would you please document this on the wiki. Thanks. I do not find the key operator nor social_facility. Do you know about these keys ? Cheers fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] new tagging scheme for detailed information.
On 23.07.2013 07:38, amrit karmacharya wrote: Over the last several months, we have mapped all the We are now trying to upload these information in OSM. When we check at the OSM wikis, we find tags do not already exist for all our data. For example, tags do not exist for building structure type, column size, seismic resistance, bays. We have developed our own tagging guidelines for these and other data. We would like these tags to be reviewed by the community so that we can post it in the wiki. This will help to maintain an international standard while tagging these data. Attached ia a file which lists the k-v pairs we will use. it is structures like a preset format. There are some aspects of your tagging that do not match accepted OSM practice: - keys and values (except free-form values such as names) should be in lower case, so yes should be used instead of Yes, wood instead of Wood and so on - avoid abbreviations that are not self-explanatory. For example, I don't know what OT means - we do not usually use a NA value; instead we omit the tag There are also several overlaps with established tags as listed in a previous mail by Janko, so please use the existing ones where possible. Overall, I think it is very unlikely that a lot of your new tags will get much use by anyone except yourselves. They are tailored too closely to your own needs or are too vague. For example, things like building:condition=average are subjective and will probably not be used consistently, if at all. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] new tagging scheme for detailed information.
On 23/07/2013 17:33, amrit karmacharya wrote: OT means operation theater, we will use the full form Assuming this refers to the room in a hospital where surgical operations are carried out, then the normal English term is 'operating theatre'. -- Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes
On 2013-07-21 14:06, Pieren wrote : On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: Adresses are attributes of physical objects, e.g. a parcel, a house, or a part of a house. Parcels can be merged and deleted, houses can be replaced, shops/restaurants/POI's may change at any time but the addresses remain. It is more permanent as a simple 'attribute' than all the 'features' you mention. Anecdote and fundamental discussion... When I built my house, I went to the town hall to get a number assigned. I expected a problem because the houses on each side were nr 1 3. - No problem, sir, everything was planned, you get nr 2 [normally on the other side] - ahem, there are 2 parcels between 1 and 3 - No problem, sir, everything was planned, see (pulling plates), you get nr 2a - ahem, I built my house on the second parcel - No problem, sir, then (swapping plates) it's nr 2b for you So did 1I live at mystreet 2b. But only for a few years. The communes merged, street homonyms were renamed and... all houses renumbered thoughtfully. I've lived at nr 5 since then. Only thing is, I almost lost a friend. The guy living at nr 26 :-) I hope you won't mind my feeling that my house is the object and the numbers the attributes. Your speaking of objects and attributes delights me. That's exactly the way I think of the different features in OSM. Unfortunately, in the OSM tag definitions, there is no mention of being an object or an attribute. And in practice there can be much confusion. An object is the physical thing. It's unique. An attribute is the different forms, usage etc... of the object. It can be multiple. We've already talked of how to tag a château historical=castle It is strange to seem to say that a castle is "a historical", especially if it's not historical. In my mind, it should be: building=yes castle=yes (or =type IF AND ONLY IF any type is exclusive, e.g. =château instead of...) château=yes hotel=yes (because château can be used as hotels in addition to being château) historical=no (or yes or 1200?) Same kind of problem here with a sort of concrete basin, like a swimming pool, where fishes to be fished are thrown This object is undoubtedly a piece of water: water=? But OSM seems to require that object to be called "a natural", although it's not natural at all. Furthermore, I want to state that this water is made for leisure with a an attribute "leisure=". And once again, Osmose clashes with saying that "a leisure" is a conflicting object once again. Tag en conflit Conflit entre les tags natural, leisure way 180545448 rawedit josm water = pond natural = water name = Pêcherie du Tultay leisure = fishing Erreur reportée le : 2013-07-23 In my mind, that tagging should resemble this: water=basin natural=no phishing=yes leisure=yes (industrial=no) pay=yes drinks=yes (to spare a separate amenity object) talking=no bicycle=carefully ;-) Cheers, André. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 3:07 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote: In my mind, that tagging should resemble this: water=basin natural=no phishing=yes leisure=yes (industrial=no) pay=yes drinks=yes (to spare a separate amenity object) talking=no bicycle=carefully ;-) Indeed. +1 The separate parts of this break down to: - What is it made of? - What is the primary use? - What does it look like from the air? - Who is allowed to use it? - If allowed to use it, what activities are allowed/prohibited? Many osm tags try to conflate those all into a single attribute. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] 2 weeks, 4 votes. Please vote.
We're not in Australia, so I can't make you vote, however: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets Has mature discussion, but only four votes. Can you help complete the process here? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] new tagging scheme for detailed information.
Deat Steve Doerr It is not for tagging the room, just for the info whether the facility has operation(operating) theater or not. I could not find anything in operating(operation) theater on the wiki and in taginfo. Here, it is commonly called operation theater and even the hospital have board written operation theater. As for operating theater, even i am hearing it called so for the first time. On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.comwrote: On 23/07/2013 17:33, amrit karmacharya wrote: OT means operation theater, we will use the full form Assuming this refers to the room in a hospital where surgical operations are carried out, then the normal English term is 'operating theatre'. -- Steve __**_ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/tagginghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
