Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging?
Just tag it as the both_ways model; unless I'm missing something. NE2 is good at finding minutae, but often finds poor ways to tag things in a consistent manner (most glaringly, a mass retag of all US highways as trunk instead of primary, even when undivided). On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 8:15 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:centre_turn_lane ? This is what I've been using. -James -- Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:11:11 -0500 From: ba...@ursamundi.org To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging? lanes:both_ways=1 turn:lanes:both_ways=left On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: The only reference to a likely center turn lane tagging I can find is lanes:both_ways= , with a count of only 605 occurrences. Since there are over 22000 turn:lanes:forward , is the center turn lane generally untagged, or is there a better tag than lanes:both_ways? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging : is it possible?
Am 19/lug/2014 um 10:13 schrieb André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: And there's is a contradictory boundary rule that what was correct one day is decreed invalid the day after. So, I would appreciate someone to notify me that all the targets have stopped moving ;-) you can keep calm, what you have been observing regarding boundary relation definitions in the wiki sounds like the result of wiki fiddling and revert, and what overpass API considers an area (or not) has no influence on our database and the data contained therein. Still what you describe doesn't seem to be the generic definition for an area (I guess not even for Overpass API) but rather sounds like the implementation for a specific use case. There is some fuzzyness regarding areas in osm, agreed, but things are really more complicated as many tags play an important role. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
On 20 Jul 2014 05:10, Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know the tag for townhouses? If you mean town halls (known in Scottish English as town houses), that would be amenity=townhall. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
What's your definition of townhouse? I suspect this word may be in use around the world, meaning different things. What are the essential characteristics? We have to try to be objective - it IS what is IS, but what it is CALLED may vary. On 2014-07-20 06:08, Hans De Kryger wrote: Anyone know the tag for townhouses? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [1] Links: -- [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
I don't know what Hans had in mind, but a short look at Wikipedia illustrates that there is a problem with this term. (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townhouse (2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townhouse_%28Great_Britain%29 (3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_of_local_government And Wikipedia has problems too: (1) points to http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petit_h%C3%B4tel in Spanisch, which is in reality the equivalent of (2) We should not use it in OSM to avoid ambiguity The term Terraced Houses seems to be established. And there is a wiki page on it: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dterrace There is even a JOSM plugin for this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Terracer Volker On 20 July 2014 10:10, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: What's your definition of townhouse? I suspect this word may be in use around the world, meaning different things. What are the essential characteristics? We have to try to be objective - it IS what is IS, but what it is CALLED may vary. On 2014-07-20 06:08, Hans De Kryger wrote: Anyone know the tag for townhouses? ___ Tagging mailing listTagging@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?
So what about the rest - the landuse for the area - is my basic understanding remiss? Am I misinterpreting a basic tenent of OSM with my statement on area defined by landuse and buildings and amenities over it? Even if you disagree on landuse=religion, is that how the others work? Thanks for pointing out that about railway tag, but I'm interested in your comments the bigger question. Javbw Sent from Japan On Jul 19, 2014, at 9:47 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 19/lug/2014 um 02:08 schrieb johnw jo...@mac.com: Landuse=transportation is disused too for stations, etc). there is already landuse=railway cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging?
Am 20.07.2014 01:11, schrieb Paul Johnson: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net mailto:nice...@att.net wrote: The only reference to a likely center turn lane tagging I can find is lanes:both_ways= , with a count of only 605 occurrences. Since there are over 22000 turn:lanes:forward , is the center turn lane generally untagged, or is there a better tag than lanes:both_ways? lanes:both_ways=1 turn:lanes:both_ways=left Well, both_ways, was only a proposal and was even not included in style and preset for a long time. Both still do not support it completely. I have to say, that I did cheat a bit and did count forbidden middle lanes to one direction, so far, which might be another reason for low numbers. Reworking the preset is on my TODO list but I have difficulties to include all tags in a practical way without inflating it even further and it already does hardly fit on small screens. As I personally mostly use the style and only need the preset for auto completion, e.g. I am not familiar in terms of usability and would be happy about some comments and/or suggestions. Cheers fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Turn lane tagging
Am 20.07.2014 00:53, schrieb Mike N: On 5/19/2014 3:34 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: For what it is worth, I've attempted to tag the intersections athttp://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/37.42584/-122.19230 andhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/37.42432/-122.19177 per the wiki but don't know if I've done it correctly. Thanks to the excellent suggestion from Marc Gemis to use JOSM's Lane Road Attributes style[1], I took a quick look. One of them is questionable: the style sensed some possible extra unspecified lanes: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/282937698 lanes=5, and turn:lanes:forward covers 5 lanes, but oneway=yes has not been specified. So it should either be oneway, or there are some additional lanes in the other direction - possibly a lanes:forward and lanes:backward specification. Yes, the style is right, either oneway is missing or the value for either lanes=* or turn:lanes:forward=* is wrong. If it is an oneway road you do not need forward/backward anyway. Cheers fly [1] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Styles/Lane_and_Road_Attributes ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] min_age vs. minage
Am 19/lug/2014 um 21:12 schrieb John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com: It seems using minage for usage is not very different from admission in case of a playground. In case of a school, it would be better to describe the school teaching level using isced:level=* or some country-specific tag. +1, don't see the need for two different tags. I'd use min_age cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
Am 20/lug/2014 um 07:10 schrieb Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: I'd tag it as building=house and subdivide it as necessary similar to a stripmall if you know where the walls between units/addresses are. I'd probably use building=terraced_house for all recent developments I know who call themselves townhouse, but looking into WP showed that in Britain the meaning refers to the town or city residence of a member of the nobility or gentry, as opposed to their country seat: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townhouse_(Great_Britain) (different meanings in AE and BE of the same word somehow make it less usable as a tag (I.e. townhouse), because you'll get more mistagging than the average whatever you define in the wiki) house alone is quite generic and also used for detached houses, better go for a little more specificity cheers, Martin___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
I'm British, and I associate the term 'townhouse' (at least in estate agents' blurb) with a house in a town having more than the usual two storeys, and usually not detached. The OED supports this meaning, though the earlier meaning was 'A house in a town or city; esp[ecially] one belonging to someone who has another property in the country.' The 'town hall' meaning is in there as well, and also an obsolete meaning of 'workhouse'. If you're drawing buildings, whether a house is terraced or not should be apparent from the geometry without any special tagging. There's probably also a tag to indicate the number of storeys, so I'm not sure a specific tag for a townhouse is needed. Steve On 21/07/2014 00:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 20/lug/2014 um 07:10 schrieb Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org: I'd tag it as building=house and subdivide it as necessary similar to a stripmall if you know where the walls between units/addresses are. I'd probably use building=terraced_house for all recent developments I know who call themselves townhouse, but looking into WP showed that in Britain the meaning refers to the town or city residence of a member of the nobility http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobility or gentry http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentry, as opposed to their country seat: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townhouse_(Great_Britain) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townhouse_%28Great_Britain%29 (different meanings in AE and BE of the same word somehow make it less usable as a tag (I.e. townhouse), because you'll get more mistagging than the average whatever you define in the wiki) house alone is quite generic and also used for detached houses, better go for a little more specificity cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging?
I personally think that 'centre_turn_lane=yes' is a good tag. It cuts down on a ton of extra tags where that might be confusing to new and experienced users. Plus, this way you shouldn't need to add an extra 'lane' to the lane count, making routers think there's more lanes that aren't really 'used' that often unlike a dedicated turn lane for one direction at an intersection where it is important. Seriously, isn't this simpler, centre_turn_lane=yes lanes=2 than this for Center Turn Lanes? lanes=3 lanes:both_ways=1turn:lanes:both_ways=left Simpler, and to the point my example. All the routers would have to do is tell the user to enter the 'Center Turn Lane' to make their left (or right in England) turn when the way has that tag. Especially with highway signs all around calling it a 'Center Turn Lane'. It's just common sense here. I mean, if you really want to we could count the lane in the lane counts, but the 2nd example doesn't fully work since sometimes, you do need that lane to turn 'right' and get into the main lanes when coming out of a business if there is heavy traffic going the way you need to go. I know some states frown on doing that, but most understand that needs to be done sometimes. And another note here, I don't think you should really be attacking people here on-list when they can't defend themselves, Paul. It just isn't right and not fair. -James Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 01:13:18 -0500 From: ba...@ursamundi.org To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging? Just tag it as the both_ways model; unless I'm missing something. NE2 is good at finding minutae, but often finds poor ways to tag things in a consistent manner (most glaringly, a mass retag of all US highways as trunk instead of primary, even when undivided). On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 8:15 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:centre_turn_lane ? This is what I've been using. -James Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:11:11 -0500 From: ba...@ursamundi.org To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging? lanes:both_ways=1turn:lanes:both_ways=left On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: The only reference to a likely center turn lane tagging I can find is lanes:both_ways= , with a count of only 605 occurrences. Since there are over 22000 turn:lanes:forward , is the center turn lane generally untagged, or is there a better tag than lanes:both_ways? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging?
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 9:22 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: personally think that 'centre_turn_lane=yes' is a good tag. It cuts down on a ton of extra tags where that might be confusing to new and experienced users. Plus, this way you shouldn't need to add an extra 'lane' to the lane count, making routers think there's more lanes that aren't really 'used' that often unlike a dedicated turn lane for one direction at an intersection where it is important. Seriously, isn't this simpler, centre_turn_lane=yes lanes=2 than this for Center Turn Lanes? lanes=3 lanes:both_ways=1 turn:lanes:both_ways=left What if there's more than one lane that's both ways allowing left turns? I've actually seen this, and the centre_turn_lane thing breaks down in such a case. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:building=kindergarten, accept and document usage of this tag
Hello! This is second time I send email. First was rejected for some reason. Tag:building=kindergarten - accept and document de-facto usage of this tag. Proposal page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/building%3Dkindergarten Tag description page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dkindergarten ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging?
On Jul 20, 2014, at 7:42 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: What if there's more than one lane that's both ways allowing left turns? I've actually seen this, and the centre_turn_lane thing breaks down in such a case. I don't recall seeing that and am having a hard time imagining how it would look on the ground. Is there a location I could see this either on a satellite view or street view? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
