Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension

[Warin]

On 13-Feb-17 06:09 PM, François Lacombe wrote:

Hi,

Thank you Jherome for this clarification attempt.
No objection against mixing poles and tower on any lines.

Regarding the phase=2 discussion, phases=* have a clear definition.
Occidental countries usualy have 3-phases power grids, but sometimes, 
2 phases lines are used to feed train traction substations or heavy 
industries. It's not about a single phase line with neutral pole + 1 
live cable, it's 2 live cables often taken from 3-phases substation or 
line.


In Australia;
Heavy industry gets 3 phases.
A few houses may get 2 phases if their load is very large .. but it is 
unusual and a safety concern, no single room should have more than one 
phase.
Even fewer houses get 3 phase .. usually where the workshop has a 
requirement for a 3 phase motor/furnace.


According to the picture used, this is the correct value : the 
transformer has 2 cables from a 3-phases line (without neutral pole) 
connected to its primary side.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Bridleway%2C_Atwick_-_geograph.org.uk_-_386117.jpg

Furthermore, I'm wondering what's the best tagging regarding 
transformers or switches installed on top of power poles/towers :

power=pole
transformer=distribution
voltage=...
phases=...

or

power=pole
transformer=distribution
transformer:phases=...
transformer:voltage=...

Looking forward to your comments


Transformers will have an input voltage and an output voltage, usually 
these voltages are different.
Most of the time these voltages will be on the lines connected to the 
transformer (and the pole) and would be redundant.


Switches ... usually used for isolation.




All the best

*François Lacombe*

fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com
www.infos-reseaux.com 
@InfosReseaux 

2017-02-13 1:39 GMT+01:00 Tristan Anderson 
>:


There's an intersting discussion about this here:


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dtransformer



Here it is suggested that split single-phase power be tagged as
phases=2.  I disagree with this, and instead advocate tagging it
as phases=1 voltage=240.  In North America at least, this implies
split single-phase power.  The tag phases=2 should be reserved for
the rare instances (maybe not so rare in some parts of the world?)
where actual two-phase power is present.


Either way, this needs to be standardized and whatever decision we
come to needs to be made clear on the wiki pages for
power=transformer and the new power pole extension proposal.


*From:* Kevin Kenny >
*Sent:* February 12, 2017 7:14 PM
*To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
*Subject:* Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole
extension
I think I've seen two-phase power once, in a commercial building
in Philadelphia, built around 1905. All the high-power uses (HVAC,
mostly) in the building were actually driven off 208 or 480 volt
three-phase, provided by phase-converting transformers and switch
gear. There were a handful 240-volt circuits that were stepped
down (or tapped?) from the 480, and a lot of the lighting was run
off the 277-volt phase-to-neutral of the 480 circuits. The
building electricians regarded the two-phase four-wire power as a
damned nuisance.

Two-phase is surely uncommon in the US, while split-single-phase
is ubiquitous.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Mike Thompson
> wrote:



On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
> wrote:

On 13-Feb-17 10:25 AM, Tristan Anderson wrote:


If two-phase power isn't currently in use anywhere, it
simply means we won't see any instances of the tag
phases=2, just like how we'll never see phases=17.  It
doesn't make anything fundamentally wrong with the
tagging scheme.  I believe this is a good proposal that
should be voted on.



There will need to be very careful wording of phases=2 to
avoid American mappers misusing this tag for 240v split
single phase.

That is my concern. This is a typical mistake.

 I think there will be instances of phase=2 occurring in
the USA, possibly many instances.

Do you mean instances of the tag phase=2, or actual two phase
power?



Instance of the tag phase=2 misused.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension

[François Lacombe]

Hi,

Thank you Jherome for this clarification attempt.
No objection against mixing poles and tower on any lines.

Regarding the phase=2 discussion, phases=* have a clear definition.
Occidental countries usualy have 3-phases power grids, but sometimes, 2
phases lines are used to feed train traction substations or heavy
industries. It's not about a single phase line with neutral pole + 1 live
cable, it's 2 live cables often taken from 3-phases substation or line.
According to the picture used, this is the correct value : the transformer
has 2 cables from a 3-phases line (without neutral pole) connected to its
primary side.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Bridleway%2C_Atwick_-_geograph.org.uk_-_386117.jpg

Furthermore, I'm wondering what's the best tagging regarding transformers
or switches installed on top of power poles/towers :
power=pole
transformer=distribution
voltage=...
phases=...

or

power=pole
transformer=distribution
transformer:phases=...
transformer:voltage=...

Looking forward to your comments


All the best

*François Lacombe*

fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com
www.infos-reseaux.com
@InfosReseaux 

2017-02-13 1:39 GMT+01:00 Tristan Anderson :

> There's an intersting discussion about this here:
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dtransformer
>
>
> Here it is suggested that split single-phase power be tagged as phases=2.
> I disagree with this, and instead advocate tagging it as phases=1
> voltage=240.  In North America at least, this implies split single-phase
> power.  The tag phases=2 should be reserved for the rare instances (maybe
> not so rare in some parts of the world?) where actual two-phase power is
> present.
>
>
> Either way, this needs to be standardized and whatever decision we come to
> needs to be made clear on the wiki pages for power=transformer and the new
> power pole extension proposal.
> --
> *From:* Kevin Kenny 
> *Sent:* February 12, 2017 7:14 PM
> *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
> *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension
>
> I think I've seen two-phase power once, in a commercial building in
> Philadelphia, built around 1905. All the high-power uses (HVAC, mostly) in
> the building were actually driven off 208 or 480 volt three-phase, provided
> by phase-converting transformers and switch gear. There were a handful
> 240-volt circuits that were stepped down (or tapped?) from the 480, and a
> lot of the lighting was run off the 277-volt phase-to-neutral of the 480
> circuits. The building electricians regarded the two-phase four-wire power
> as a damned nuisance.
>
> Two-phase is surely uncommon in the US, while split-single-phase is
> ubiquitous.
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Mike Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 13-Feb-17 10:25 AM, Tristan Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>> If two-phase power isn't currently in use anywhere, it simply means we
>>> won't see any instances of the tag phases=2, just like how we'll never see
>>> phases=17.  It doesn't make anything fundamentally wrong with the tagging
>>> scheme.  I believe this is a good proposal that should be voted on.
>>>
>>>
>>> There will need to be very careful wording of phases=2 to avoid American
>>> mappers misusing this tag for 240v split single phase.
>>>
>> That is my concern. This is a typical mistake.
>>
>>>  I think there will be instances of phase=2 occurring in the USA,
>>> possibly many instances.
>>>
>> Do you mean instances of the tag phase=2, or actual two phase power?
>>
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Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

[Warin]

On 13-Feb-17 03:42 PM, John Willis wrote:


Javbw


On Feb 13, 2017, at 5:38 AM, Mark Wagner  wrote:


That wouldn't work too well in the US.  Here, capacities are
typically measured in notional "loads": the average laundromat would
have a large number of "single-load" machines, a few "double-load" or
"triple-load" machines, and possibly a side-loading "five-load" machine
for things like quilts or sleeping bags.

Since it can be converted to Kg, it could be normalized, or a US tagging scheme 
used, since there are tons of laundromats in the US:

Laundromat:US:1load_agitator_washer=20
Laundromat:US:2load_agitator_washer=2
Laundromat:US:5load_sidewasher=1

I wonder what the rest of the world uses for laundry measurement - pieces? 
Loads? Weight?


I would think it is best to use the same practices used for other units ...

The default should be SI units ... like kilometre km for distance, but other 
units like miles can be used if the unit is appended.

Washing machines sizing looks like they use mass (kg) for some places (UK, 
Australia, NZ), pounds for some (USA) and volume (cubic foot) in other places 
(USA?)... so that is a bit confusing.

See the web links below for examples of size units.
 


I would think that the same tag values should be used so

laundry:top_loading:1_load=20 (if 'load' can be found as a size .. somewhere?)

laundry:top_loading:5_cu_ft=20
 
laundry:top_loading:6_lbs=20


laundry:top_loading:20_kg=20

laundry:front_loading:15_kg=8

laundry:shoe_washer=2

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I have never heard the terms 'sidewasher' .. I assume this is what I call front 
loading?
UK - front loader 
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Washing-Machines-Front-Load/b?ie=UTF8=494926031

I note that front loaders are common in the domestic area .. but commercially 
(in Laundromats) top loaders are more common.

Agitator I have heard of .,.. but that is a 'top loader'?

USA - front loader and top loader 
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_5_10?url=search-alias%3Daps=washing+machine=washing+ma%2Caps%2C428=30REZUSOII599



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Re: [Tagging] lanes=3 + lanes:forward/backward=1 for "semi-divided" roads?

[Marc Gemis]

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Mark Wagner  wrote:
> I'd consider mapping it as a dual carriageway.  I don't know what the
> law is in Pennsylvania, but here in Idaho, a doubled double-yellow
> line is the legal equivalent of a physical barrier: you are not allowed
> to drive across it for any reason.

I would keep dual carriage way mapping for the cases with real
physical barriers (such as guard rails or kerbs) or different surfaces
(grass).
IMHO, you loose valuable information by not mentioning there is a
third lane in the middle.
Emergency vehicles might want to know this, planning of very wide load
transports might want to know this. Governments might need this
information, so they know they can divert traffic over the middle lane
in case of road works.
There might be other applications that find this information valuable.

regards

m.

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Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

[John Willis]

Javbw

> On Feb 13, 2017, at 5:38 AM, Mark Wagner  wrote:
> 
> 
> That wouldn't work too well in the US.  Here, capacities are
> typically measured in notional "loads": the average laundromat would
> have a large number of "single-load" machines, a few "double-load" or
> "triple-load" machines, and possibly a side-loading "five-load" machine
> for things like quilts or sleeping bags.

Since it can be converted to Kg, it could be normalized, or a US tagging scheme 
used, since there are tons of laundromats in the US:

Laundromat:US:1load_agitator_washer=20
Laundromat:US:2load_agitator_washer=2
Laundromat:US:5load_sidewasher=1

I wonder what the rest of the world uses for laundry measurement - pieces? 
Loads? Weight?  

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension

[Tristan Anderson]

There's an intersting discussion about this here:


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dtransformer


Here it is suggested that split single-phase power be tagged as phases=2.  I 
disagree with this, and instead advocate tagging it as phases=1 voltage=240.  
In North America at least, this implies split single-phase power.  The tag 
phases=2 should be reserved for the rare instances (maybe not so rare in some 
parts of the world?) where actual two-phase power is present.


Either way, this needs to be standardized and whatever decision we come to 
needs to be made clear on the wiki pages for power=transformer and the new 
power pole extension proposal.


From: Kevin Kenny 
Sent: February 12, 2017 7:14 PM
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension

I think I've seen two-phase power once, in a commercial building in 
Philadelphia, built around 1905. All the high-power uses (HVAC, mostly) in the 
building were actually driven off 208 or 480 volt three-phase, provided by 
phase-converting transformers and switch gear. There were a handful 240-volt 
circuits that were stepped down (or tapped?) from the 480, and a lot of the 
lighting was run off the 277-volt phase-to-neutral of the 480 circuits. The 
building electricians regarded the two-phase four-wire power as a damned 
nuisance.

Two-phase is surely uncommon in the US, while split-single-phase is ubiquitous.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Mike Thompson 
> wrote:


On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Warin 
<61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 13-Feb-17 10:25 AM, Tristan Anderson wrote:

If two-phase power isn't currently in use anywhere, it simply means we won't 
see any instances of the tag phases=2, just like how we'll never see phases=17. 
 It doesn't make anything fundamentally wrong with the tagging scheme.  I 
believe this is a good proposal that should be voted on.


There will need to be very careful wording of phases=2 to avoid American 
mappers misusing this tag for 240v split single phase.

That is my concern. This is a typical mistake.

 I think there will be instances of phase=2 occurring in the USA, possibly many 
instances.

Do you mean instances of the tag phase=2, or actual two phase power?


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension

[Kevin Kenny]

I think I've seen two-phase power once, in a commercial building in
Philadelphia, built around 1905. All the high-power uses (HVAC, mostly) in
the building were actually driven off 208 or 480 volt three-phase, provided
by phase-converting transformers and switch gear. There were a handful
240-volt circuits that were stepped down (or tapped?) from the 480, and a
lot of the lighting was run off the 277-volt phase-to-neutral of the 480
circuits. The building electricians regarded the two-phase four-wire power
as a damned nuisance.

Two-phase is surely uncommon in the US, while split-single-phase is
ubiquitous.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 13-Feb-17 10:25 AM, Tristan Anderson wrote:
>>
>> If two-phase power isn't currently in use anywhere, it simply means we
>> won't see any instances of the tag phases=2, just like how we'll never see
>> phases=17.  It doesn't make anything fundamentally wrong with the tagging
>> scheme.  I believe this is a good proposal that should be voted on.
>>
>>
>> There will need to be very careful wording of phases=2 to avoid American
>> mappers misusing this tag for 240v split single phase.
>>
> That is my concern. This is a typical mistake.
>
>>  I think there will be instances of phase=2 occurring in the USA,
>> possibly many instances.
>>
> Do you mean instances of the tag phase=2, or actual two phase power?
>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension

[Mike Thompson]

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 13-Feb-17 10:25 AM, Tristan Anderson wrote:
>
> If two-phase power isn't currently in use anywhere, it simply means we
> won't see any instances of the tag phases=2, just like how we'll never see
> phases=17.  It doesn't make anything fundamentally wrong with the tagging
> scheme.  I believe this is a good proposal that should be voted on.
>
>
> There will need to be very careful wording of phases=2 to avoid American
> mappers misusing this tag for 240v split single phase.
>
That is my concern. This is a typical mistake.

>  I think there will be instances of phase=2 occurring in the USA, possibly
> many instances.
>
Do you mean instances of the tag phase=2, or actual two phase power?
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension

[Warin]

On 13-Feb-17 10:25 AM, Tristan Anderson wrote:


If two-phase power isn't currently in use anywhere, it simply means we 
won't see any instances of the tag phases=2, just like how we'll never 
see phases=17.  It doesn't make anything fundamentally wrong with the 
tagging scheme.  I believe this is a good proposal that should be 
voted on.




There will need to be very careful wording of phases=2 to avoid American 
mappers misusing this tag for 240v split single phase. This is common 
household wiring for 'hi power' ... 115 v 10 a only gets you 1.15 kw .. 
so for things like stoves 240 v is required. I think there will be 
instances of phase=2 occurring in the USA, possibly many instances.





*From:* Mike Thompson 
*Sent:* February 12, 2017 6:07 PM
*To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
*Subject:* Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension
After a little digging, it seems that there *was* at one time such a 
thing as two phase electric power, with the phases 90 degrees apart[1]


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-phase_electric_power


Two-phase electric power - Wikipedia 


en.wikipedia.org
Two-phase electrical power was an early 20th-century polyphase 
alternating current electric power distribution system. Two circuits 
were used, with voltage phases ...






On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com 
> wrote:



I think the incorrect term '2 phase' is the split single phase (or
single phase 3 wire) that the Americans use, 120 v  from 'neutral'
to either line but 240 v from line to line and that 240 v is
termed '2 phase' despite the fact that it is a single phase. All
of these lines are supposed to float - no connection to earth is
supposed to be made.





 On 13-Feb-17 07:27 AM, ajt1...@gmail.com
 wrote:

On 12/02/2017 20:07, Mike Thompson wrote:

Jherome,

...  Having spent some time in the electrical industry (in
the U.S.) my understanding is there is no such thing as "2
phase", only single phase and three phase.



In terms of supply to premises, you're going to get single
phase or 3-phase, but I think that you can still get minor
power lines carrying just 2 phases (e.g. to 2 houses, each
single phase) can't you?

Best Regards,

Andy

(who hasn't actually done any 3-phase wiring in 40 years, so
it might have changed a bit since then!)


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension

[Tristan Anderson]

If two-phase power isn't currently in use anywhere, it simply means we won't 
see any instances of the tag phases=2, just like how we'll never see phases=17. 
 It doesn't make anything fundamentally wrong with the tagging scheme.  I 
believe this is a good proposal that should be voted on.


From: Mike Thompson 
Sent: February 12, 2017 6:07 PM
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension

After a little digging, it seems that there *was* at one time such a thing as 
two phase electric power, with the phases 90 degrees apart[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-phase_electric_power
[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Elementary_Two_Phase_Alternator.jpg/400px-Elementary_Two_Phase_Alternator.jpg]

Two-phase electric power - 
Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Two-phase electrical power was an early 20th-century polyphase alternating 
current electric power distribution system. Two circuits were used, with 
voltage phases ...





On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Warin 
<61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think the incorrect term '2 phase' is the split single phase (or single phase 
3 wire) that the Americans use, 120 v  from 'neutral' to either line but 240 v 
from line to line and that 240 v is termed '2 phase' despite the fact that it 
is a single phase. All of these lines are supposed to float - no connection to 
earth is supposed to be made.





 On 13-Feb-17 07:27 AM, ajt1...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/02/2017 20:07, Mike Thompson wrote:
Jherome,

...  Having spent some time in the electrical industry (in the U.S.) my 
understanding is there is no such thing as "2 phase", only single phase and 
three phase.



In terms of supply to premises, you're going to get single phase or 3-phase, 
but I think that you can still get minor power lines carrying just 2 phases 
(e.g. to 2 houses, each single phase) can't you?

Best Regards,

Andy

(who hasn't actually done any 3-phase wiring in 40 years, so it might have 
changed a bit since then!)


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Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

[Warin]

On 13-Feb-17 07:38 AM, Mark Wagner wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:28:17 +0900
John Willis  wrote:


Javbw

Side note:

I imagine laundromats could have a whole

Laundromat:foobar=n  scheme.

Laundromat:10kg_dryer=8
Laundromat:20kg_dryer=2
Laundromat:10kg_sidewasher=3
Laundromat:20kg_sidewasher=1
Laundromat:shoe_washer=1
Laundromat:shoe_dryer=1

Would be the closest laundromat to my house, Kg are approx.

That wouldn't work too well in the US.  Here, capacities are
typically measured in notional "loads": the average laundromat would
have a large number of "single-load" machines, a few "double-load" or
"triple-load" machines, and possibly a side-loading "five-load" machine
for things like quilts or sleeping bags.



Any links to where the information is in 'notional loads'?

This site gives the capacity in cubic foot 
http://washers.homeowl.com/saved_search/Washers-Made-in-USA


1 cubic foot is about 5 kg for washing machines.




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Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

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All washing machines have a load capacity in kg.  It may not be printed on the 
front of the unit but it can be found in the owners' manual or online.  I would 
caution against the key "Laundromat:10kg_sidewasher" because they aren't always 
round numbers like that.  For example this triple-load machine is 13.6 kg:


http://www.macgray.com/pdf/specs/dexter/WCAD30KCS-12.pdf


Perhaps the following tagging scheme like this would be more appropriate:

Laundromat:sidewasher=5

Laundromat:sidewasher:capacity=13.6

Laundromat:sidewasher:colour=

Laundromat:sidewasher:cost=


And if there are multiple styles of machine with different capacities it could 
have a tag like Laundromat:sidewasher:1 and Laudromat:sidewasher:1:capacity etc.


It's a little complex but I'd imagine this scheme would work anywhere in the 
world.


From: Mark Wagner 
Sent: February 12, 2017 3:38 PM
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:28:17 +0900
John Willis  wrote:

> Javbw
>
> Side note:
>
> I imagine laundromats could have a whole
>
> Laundromat:foobar=n  scheme.
>
> Laundromat:10kg_dryer=8
> Laundromat:20kg_dryer=2
> Laundromat:10kg_sidewasher=3
> Laundromat:20kg_sidewasher=1
> Laundromat:shoe_washer=1
> Laundromat:shoe_dryer=1
>
> Would be the closest laundromat to my house, Kg are approx.

That wouldn't work too well in the US.  Here, capacities are
typically measured in notional "loads": the average laundromat would
have a large number of "single-load" machines, a few "double-load" or
"triple-load" machines, and possibly a side-loading "five-load" machine
for things like quilts or sleeping bags.

--
Mark

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension

[Warin]

I think the incorrect term '2 phase' is the split single phase (or 
single phase 3 wire) that the Americans use, 120 v  from 'neutral' to 
either line but 240 v from line to line and that 240 v is termed '2 
phase' despite the fact that it is a single phase. All of these lines 
are supposed to float - no connection to earth is supposed to be made.





 On 13-Feb-17 07:27 AM, ajt1...@gmail.com wrote:

On 12/02/2017 20:07, Mike Thompson wrote:

Jherome,

...  Having spent some time in the electrical industry (in the U.S.) 
my understanding is there is no such thing as "2 phase", only single 
phase and three phase.





In terms of supply to premises, you're going to get single phase or 
3-phase, but I think that you can still get minor power lines carrying 
just 2 phases (e.g. to 2 houses, each single phase) can't you?


Best Regards,

Andy

(who hasn't actually done any 3-phase wiring in 40 years, so it might 
have changed a bit since then!)



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Re: [Tagging] lanes=3 + lanes:forward/backward=1 for "semi-divided" roads?

[Mark Wagner]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 23:39:00 -0500
Albert Pundt  wrote:

> Consider High Street in downtown Carlisle, PA. It is one lane each
> way, with a wide space as wide as a travel lane in the middle, but
> not used for anything such as a center turning lane. Tagging this
> with just lanes=2 seems wrong since it fails to take into account the
> lane width separating the two travel lanes, and since there is no
> raised physical divider, it doesn't seem right to mark it as a
> dual-carriageway road either. I've seen lanes=3 used along with
> lanes:forward=1 and lanes:backward=1, but that seems like it might be
> confusing.
> 
> What, if anything, is the proper way to tag roads like this?

I'd consider mapping it as a dual carriageway.  I don't know what the
law is in Pennsylvania, but here in Idaho, a doubled double-yellow
line is the legal equivalent of a physical barrier: you are not allowed
to drive across it for any reason.

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Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

[Mark Wagner]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:28:17 +0900
John Willis  wrote:

> Javbw
> 
> Side note: 
> 
> I imagine laundromats could have a whole 
> 
> Laundromat:foobar=n  scheme. 
> 
> Laundromat:10kg_dryer=8
> Laundromat:20kg_dryer=2
> Laundromat:10kg_sidewasher=3
> Laundromat:20kg_sidewasher=1
> Laundromat:shoe_washer=1
> Laundromat:shoe_dryer=1 
> 
> Would be the closest laundromat to my house, Kg are approx. 

That wouldn't work too well in the US.  Here, capacities are
typically measured in notional "loads": the average laundromat would
have a large number of "single-load" machines, a few "double-load" or
"triple-load" machines, and possibly a side-loading "five-load" machine
for things like quilts or sleeping bags.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension

[ajt1...@gmail.com]

On 12/02/2017 20:07, Mike Thompson wrote:

Jherome,

...  Having spent some time in the electrical industry (in the U.S.) 
my understanding is there is no such thing as "2 phase", only single 
phase and three phase.





In terms of supply to premises, you're going to get single phase or 
3-phase, but I think that you can still get minor power lines carrying 
just 2 phases (e.g. to 2 houses, each single phase) can't you?


Best Regards,

Andy

(who hasn't actually done any 3-phase wiring in 40 years, so it might 
have changed a bit since then!)



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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension

[Mike Thompson]

Jherome,

Thanks for your work on this. I will study this more, but one thing that
jumped out is that in one of your examples you stated "phase=2." Having
spent some time in the electrical industry (in the U.S.) my understanding
is there is no such thing as "2 phase", only single phase and three phase.

Mike

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Jherome Miguel 
wrote:

> This is the second RFC I sent the proposal for an extended tagging of
> power poles. I sent a previous RFC, but with no comments requested.
>
> The goal of the power pole extension proposal is to extend the tagging of
> power poles, which has limited tags and allow the use of power=pole on
> power=line with a voltage of at most 138,000 volts (where very tall poles
> above the mentioned voltage falls on power=tower).
>
> Link to proposal at the wiki:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_pole_extension
>
> Any comments requested, as this is the second RFC after the first one did
> not have any response at all.
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Carport

[Joachim]

I thought the same now: Discussion was positive and the tag is already
in use. So I created the feature page
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dcarport and set the
status of the feature and the proposal to "in Use".

Thanks
Joachim

2017-02-04 20:40 GMT+01:00 Yves :
> I think here that no comment means not controversial, you should move away
> the page from proposal to document an established tag and that's it.
> Yves
>
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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension

[Jherome Miguel]

This is the second RFC I sent the proposal for an extended tagging of power
poles. I sent a previous RFC, but with no comments requested.

The goal of the power pole extension proposal is to extend the tagging of
power poles, which has limited tags and allow the use of power=pole on
power=line with a voltage of at most 138,000 volts (where very tall poles
above the mentioned voltage falls on power=tower).

Link to proposal at the wiki:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_pole_extension

Any comments requested, as this is the second RFC after the first one did
not have any response at all.
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Re: [Tagging] lanes=3 + lanes:forward/backward=1 for "semi-divided" roads?

[Topographe Fou]

Marc, it looks like you propose to tag it as a lane which can be used to turn 
which is not what Roadsguy wants to do (if I get it right...).

If the central line can't be used but exists I would put

lanes:both_ways=1
access:lanes:both_ways=no

LeTopographeFou 


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De: marc.ge...@gmail.com
Envoyé: 12 février 2017 7:40 AM
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Objet: Re: [Tagging] lanes=3 + lanes:forward/backward=1 for "semi-divided" 
roads?

You could add lanes:both_ways=1 turn:lanes:both_ways=left

regards

m

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Albert Pundt  wrote:
> Consider High Street in downtown Carlisle, PA. It is one lane each way, with
> a wide space as wide as a travel lane in the middle, but not used for
> anything such as a center turning lane. Tagging this with just lanes=2 seems
> wrong since it fails to take into account the lane width separating the two
> travel lanes, and since there is no raised physical divider, it doesn't seem
> right to mark it as a dual-carriageway road either. I've seen lanes=3 used
> along with lanes:forward=1 and lanes:backward=1, but that seems like it
> might be confusing.
>
> What, if anything, is the proper way to tag roads like this?
>
> --Roadsguy
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Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 11 Feb 2017, at 17:10, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> For the convenience store on a camp site I would happily use the shop key 
> whereas for the laundry facilities I would prefer something like
> washing_machine=yes|NUMBER
> dryer =yes|NUMBER
> In alternative, simply laundry=yes


laundry=yes could also be read as laundry service is offered (like hotels do, 
i.e. not you operating the machine)


cheers,
Martin 
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