[Tagging] Voting dry riser inlet

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Voting for dry riser inlet has started.

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Re: [Tagging] New tag for major recipient postcodes

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 17. Dec 2017, at 21:26, José G Moya Y.  wrote:
> 
> Obviously, phone numbers and email addresses are not "on the ground", so they 
> are just as out of scope of OSM as PO boxes/special zips are.


I believe this is a very limiting view of both, the scope of OSM and the 
question of verifiability, and it is far from true: „On the ground“ you can ask 
a shop owner for her email address or phone number, so the verifiability is 
there. You can also often get this information from customer receipts, business 
cards, websites, advertising, a note in the window, etc.

I agree that these special postcodes are not about a physical address of the 
kind we have specific interest in, but I would not dismiss them as completely 
out of scope. They are in the same category as email addresses and similar, a 
way to contact the business.

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Re: [Tagging] New tag for major recipient postcodes

[Rainer]

They are used together with addr:city. The combination aoff 
addr:postcode_major_recipient and addr:city acts as an alias for 
addr:postcode & addr:city & addr:street & addr:housenumber.



Am 17.12.2017 21:22, schrieb Warin:
As they are not related to a physical address then why use the address 
space?

Possibly the contact space? contact:mail:postcode=*

-
I believe 1800 numbers cannot be used internationally, so I don't use 
the ISD codes, that OSM requests, with these.




On 18-Dec-17 12:36 AM, José G Moya Y. wrote:
Do you mean PO box? In some cities, massive PO boxes have a special 
Zip code/ postal code. It could be a property of the PObox address.


Maybe an attribute at the POI is right, as POI use to list email 
addresses and web addresses, which are independent from actual 
physical address (as PO boxes are), also.


National-wide phone numbers treated (such as +1-800-x in USA, 
cellphones, "vocal nomad" numbers (+34-51-xx in Spain, if I remember 
well)  are unlinked to physical addresses too. Are they directions 
about how to use it?




El 17/12/2017 13:58, "Tom Pfeifer" > escribió:


As these postcodes are kind of a virtual address that is not tied
to a particular pysical location, my opinion would be _not to add
them to OSM_, which is a geo database and not primarily a post
code reference database.

Typically for those companies in DE, there is an additional
physical address which has a different postcode for the street
address, which is regularly tagged on the physical location.

tom

On 17.12.2017 13:42, Rainer wrote:

Hi all,

recently I came across postal codes in POI addresses, which
aren't the classic scheme addr:postcode & addr:city &
addr:street & addr:housenumber. However it is a special
postcode that is assigned to recipients that receive a big
amount of post every day, typically big companies or
authorities. This kind of postcode is used only together with
addr:city and does not require street and housenumber. So to
say the post company has a big sack for post to that special
postcode, puts in all the letters that are addressed to it
and delivers the sack to the recipient.
After some discussion in the german user forum
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=60421
 I
want to propose a tag for this kind of postcode and would
like to discuss it here in the tagging mailing list.

The proposal is:  addr:postcode_major_recipient

It should be used on POIs, because it is an attribute of the
company, authority or whatever, but not as an address of a
building, because it is not assigned to such directly. Target
is to have a separate tag for this kind of postcode to avoid
a mix-up with the normal addr:postcode.

As I am not a native British English speaker, I have asked
one and consulted the english page of the Deutsche Post.
Reference:
https://www.postdirekt.de/plzserver/PlzSearchServlet?lang=en_GB

-> goto More -> Find major recipient

Probably similar kinds of postcodes exist also in other post
companies in other countries, so inputs about that are welcome.


Best regards,
Rainer


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Re: [Tagging] New tag for major recipient postcodes

[José G Moya Y .]

El 17/12/2017 21:17, "Tom Pfeifer"  escribió:

On 17.12.2017 14:36, José G Moya Y. wrote:

>
> National-wide phone numbers treated (such as +1-800-x in USA, cellphones,
> "vocal nomad" numbers (+34-51-xx in Spain, if I remember well)  are
> unlinked to physical addresses too. Are they directions about how to use it?
>

Simlarly, OSM is not a phone directory, or a worldwide compendium of
everything. No benefit for OSM adding those.


If I tell about phone numbers and web addresses is just because ID suggest
adding phone numbers and web addresses to things like bank offices or
shops.
Obviously, phone numbers and email addresses are not "on the ground", so
they are just as out of scope of OSM as PO boxes/special zips are.

I think I agree with you about this.



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Re: [Tagging] New tag for major recipient postcodes

[Warin]

As they are not related to a physical address then why use the address 
space?

Possibly the contact space? contact:mail:postcode=*

-
I believe 1800 numbers cannot be used internationally, so I don't use 
the ISD codes, that OSM requests, with these.




On 18-Dec-17 12:36 AM, José G Moya Y. wrote:
Do you mean PO box? In some cities, massive PO boxes have a special 
Zip code/ postal code. It could be a property of the PObox address.


Maybe an attribute at the POI is right, as POI use to list email 
addresses and web addresses, which are independent from actual 
physical address (as PO boxes are), also.


National-wide phone numbers treated (such as +1-800-x in USA, 
cellphones, "vocal nomad" numbers (+34-51-xx in Spain, if I remember 
well)  are unlinked to physical addresses too. Are they directions 
about how to use it?




El 17/12/2017 13:58, "Tom Pfeifer" > escribió:


As these postcodes are kind of a virtual address that is not tied
to a particular pysical location, my opinion would be _not to add
them to OSM_, which is a geo database and not primarily a post
code reference database.

Typically for those companies in DE, there is an additional
physical address which has a different postcode for the street
address, which is regularly tagged on the physical location.

tom

On 17.12.2017 13:42, Rainer wrote:

Hi all,

recently I came across postal codes in POI addresses, which
aren't the classic scheme addr:postcode & addr:city &
addr:street & addr:housenumber. However it is a special
postcode that is assigned to recipients that receive a big
amount of post every day, typically big companies or
authorities. This kind of postcode is used only together with
addr:city and does not require street and housenumber. So to
say the post company has a big sack for post to that special
postcode, puts in all the letters that are addressed to it and
delivers the sack to the recipient.
After some discussion in the german user forum
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=60421
 I
want to propose a tag for this kind of postcode and would like
to discuss it here in the tagging mailing list.

The proposal is:  addr:postcode_major_recipient

It should be used on POIs, because it is an attribute of the
company, authority or whatever, but not as an address of a
building, because it is not assigned to such directly. Target
is to have a separate tag for this kind of postcode to avoid a
mix-up with the normal addr:postcode.

As I am not a native British English speaker, I have asked one
and consulted the english page of the Deutsche Post.
Reference:
https://www.postdirekt.de/plzserver/PlzSearchServlet?lang=en_GB

-> goto More -> Find major recipient

Probably similar kinds of postcodes exist also in other post
companies in other countries, so inputs about that are welcome.


Best regards,
Rainer


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Re: [Tagging] New tag for major recipient postcodes

[Tom Pfeifer]

On 17.12.2017 14:36, José G Moya Y. wrote:
Do you mean PO box? In some cities, massive PO boxes have a special Zip code/ postal code. It could 
be a property of the PObox address.


It is kind of a postbox, but the mail might actually still be delivered by the carrier (and not 
picked from a box), and it might be even delivered to a subcontractor elsewhere who handles the 
incoming mail. Again I don't see a benefit for OSM from such entries.


Maybe an attribute at the POI is right, as POI use to list email addresses and web addresses, which 
are independent from actual physical address (as PO boxes are), also.


National-wide phone numbers treated (such as +1-800-x in USA, cellphones, "vocal nomad" numbers 
(+34-51-xx in Spain, if I remember well)  are unlinked to physical addresses too. Are they 
directions about how to use it?


Simlarly, OSM is not a phone directory, or a worldwide compendium of everything. No benefit for OSM 
adding those.


 
El 17/12/2017 13:58, "Tom Pfeifer" > escribió:


As these postcodes are kind of a virtual address that is not tied to a 
particular pysical
location, my opinion would be _not to add them to OSM_, which is a geo 
database and not
primarily a post code reference database.

Typically for those companies in DE, there is an additional physical 
address which has a
different postcode for the street address, which is regularly tagged on the 
physical location.

On 17.12.2017 13:42, Rainer wrote:

The proposal is:  addr:postcode_major_recipient


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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Fire Hydrant Extensions (part 3))

[Viking]

I think we can go on refining hydrant tags, so I formally call a Request For 
Comments on this page [1].
I remember that someone had pictures of different wrenches: can he/she add them 
to the table on [1]?

[1] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Fire_Hydrant_Extensions_(part_3)

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Re: [Tagging] New tag for major recipient postcodes

[José G Moya Y .]

Do you mean PO box? In some cities, massive PO boxes have a special Zip
code/ postal code. It could be a property of the PObox address.

Maybe an attribute at the POI is right, as POI use to list email addresses
and web addresses, which are independent from actual physical address (as
PO boxes are), also.

National-wide phone numbers treated (such as +1-800-x in USA, cellphones,
"vocal nomad" numbers (+34-51-xx in Spain, if I remember well)  are
unlinked to physical addresses too. Are they directions about how to use it?



El 17/12/2017 13:58, "Tom Pfeifer"  escribió:

> As these postcodes are kind of a virtual address that is not tied to a
> particular pysical location, my opinion would be _not to add them to OSM_,
> which is a geo database and not primarily a post code reference database.
>
> Typically for those companies in DE, there is an additional physical
> address which has a different postcode for the street address, which is
> regularly tagged on the physical location.
>
> tom
>
> On 17.12.2017 13:42, Rainer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> recently I came across postal codes in POI addresses, which aren't the
>> classic scheme addr:postcode & addr:city & addr:street & addr:housenumber.
>> However it is a special postcode that is assigned to recipients that
>> receive a big amount of post every day, typically big companies or
>> authorities. This kind of postcode is used only together with addr:city and
>> does not require street and housenumber. So to say the post company has a
>> big sack for post to that special postcode, puts in all the letters that
>> are addressed to it and delivers the sack to the recipient.
>> After some discussion in the german user forum
>> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=60421 I want to propose
>> a tag for this kind of postcode and would like to discuss it here in the
>> tagging mailing list.
>>
>> The proposal is:  addr:postcode_major_recipient
>>
>> It should be used on POIs, because it is an attribute of the company,
>> authority or whatever, but not as an address of a building, because it is
>> not assigned to such directly. Target is to have a separate tag for this
>> kind of postcode to avoid a mix-up with the normal addr:postcode.
>>
>> As I am not a native British English speaker, I have asked one and
>> consulted the english page of the Deutsche Post. Reference:
>> https://www.postdirekt.de/plzserver/PlzSearchServlet?lang=en_GB -> goto
>> More -> Find major recipient
>>
>> Probably similar kinds of postcodes exist also in other post companies in
>> other countries, so inputs about that are welcome.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Rainer
>>
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Re: [Tagging] New tag for major recipient postcodes

[Tom Pfeifer]

As these postcodes are kind of a virtual address that is not tied to a particular pysical location, 
my opinion would be _not to add them to OSM_, which is a geo database and not primarily a post code 
reference database.


Typically for those companies in DE, there is an additional physical address which has a different 
postcode for the street address, which is regularly tagged on the physical location.


tom

On 17.12.2017 13:42, Rainer wrote:

Hi all,

recently I came across postal codes in POI addresses, which aren't the classic scheme addr:postcode 
& addr:city & addr:street & addr:housenumber. However it is a special postcode that is assigned to 
recipients that receive a big amount of post every day, typically big companies or authorities. This 
kind of postcode is used only together with addr:city and does not require street and housenumber. 
So to say the post company has a big sack for post to that special postcode, puts in all the letters 
that are addressed to it and delivers the sack to the recipient.
After some discussion in the german user forum 
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=60421 I want to propose a tag for this kind of 
postcode and would like to discuss it here in the tagging mailing list.


The proposal is:  addr:postcode_major_recipient

It should be used on POIs, because it is an attribute of the company, authority or whatever, but not 
as an address of a building, because it is not assigned to such directly. Target is to have a 
separate tag for this kind of postcode to avoid a mix-up with the normal addr:postcode.


As I am not a native British English speaker, I have asked one and consulted the english page of the 
Deutsche Post. Reference: https://www.postdirekt.de/plzserver/PlzSearchServlet?lang=en_GB -> goto 
More -> Find major recipient


Probably similar kinds of postcodes exist also in other post companies in other countries, so inputs 
about that are welcome.



Best regards,
Rainer


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[Tagging] New tag for major recipient postcodes

[Rainer]

Hi all,

recently I came across postal codes in POI addresses, which aren't the 
classic scheme addr:postcode & addr:city & addr:street & 
addr:housenumber. However it is a special postcode that is assigned to 
recipients that receive a big amount of post every day, typically big 
companies or authorities. This kind of postcode is used only together 
with addr:city and does not require street and housenumber. So to say 
the post company has a big sack for post to that special postcode, puts 
in all the letters that are addressed to it and delivers the sack to the 
recipient.
After some discussion in the german user forum 
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=60421 I want to propose 
a tag for this kind of postcode and would like to discuss it here in the 
tagging mailing list.


The proposal is:  addr:postcode_major_recipient

It should be used on POIs, because it is an attribute of the company, 
authority or whatever, but not as an address of a building, because it 
is not assigned to such directly. Target is to have a separate tag for 
this kind of postcode to avoid a mix-up with the normal addr:postcode.


As I am not a native British English speaker, I have asked one and 
consulted the english page of the Deutsche Post. Reference: 
https://www.postdirekt.de/plzserver/PlzSearchServlet?lang=en_GB -> goto 
More -> Find major recipient


Probably similar kinds of postcodes exist also in other post companies 
in other countries, so inputs about that are welcome.



Best regards,
Rainer

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Re: [Tagging] shop - clothing_repair

[Daniel Koć]

Dnia 17 grudnia 2017 11:30:01 CET, Martin Koppenhoefer  
napisał(a):
>2017-12-17 1:32 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug OSM :

>> I think this statement isn't true :
>> " It's impossible to cover all types of shops."'
>
>+1, why would it be impossible? We should remove this sentence from the
>wiki, as it is main discouraging inventing specific shop types and
>encouraging tagging for the renderer ("as we won't be able to cover all
>types of shops with specific tags, I'll just apply this tag which is a
>good
>half-way fit and is rendered" ;-) )

On osm-carto we render all the shops for some time already, at least as a dot 
with label, so there's no reason to not use the proper tag.


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Re: [Tagging] shop - clothing_repair

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-12-17 1:32 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug OSM :

> Maybe a namespace ?
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Namespace
>


can you explain or give an example how you would apply this concept to the
question of the OP?


>
> I think this statement isn't true :
> " It's impossible to cover all types of shops."'
>

+1, why would it be impossible? We should remove this sentence from the
wiki, as it is main discouraging inventing specific shop types and
encouraging tagging for the renderer ("as we won't be able to cover all
types of shops with specific tags, I'll just apply this tag which is a good
half-way fit and is rendered" ;-) )

Cheers,
Martin
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