Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop

[osm.tagging]

To add to this, based on a discussion in #osm, please be careful what you map.

 

If there are poles with signs for the stops, map them. If there are public 
signs describing the routes, map them. But any stops or routes that are private 
information only between organizers and parents/students shouldn’t be mapped.

 

Cheers,

Thorsten

 

From: Johnparis  
Sent: Saturday, 5 May 2018 06:35
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools 
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop

 

PLEASE do NOT create a highway=walking_bus tag! This would be useful for the 
Public Transport v1 scheme. Which hopefully will some year go away.

 

Please DO follow Thorsten's suggestion and follow PTv2, mapping the stops as 
nodes alongside the street/way (not on it) in the proper direction. Tag each 
one:

walking_bus=yes

public_transport=platform

 

If you don't know the side of the street (or it's irrelevant), you can place 
the node in the street (as part of the way) and tag it with: 

walking_bus=yes

public_transport=stop_position 

 

I see that the route relation was discussed here in October 2016. If you feel 
ambitious, you can go a step further and create route relations as described 
under PTv2 using:

type=route 

route=walking_bus 

 

... and even create route_master relations:

type=route_master

route_master=walking_bus 

 

In any case, please do not create a new highway tag. In hindsight those were 
not the best way to go, but there are a million of them (for buses) so they're 
not going away anytime soon.

 

Thanks,

 

John





 

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 5:21 PM,  > wrote:

You’ll probably also need a type of route relation for this?

 

Also, public_transport=platform is only valid with at least one  transport type 
specific tag, e.g. bus=yes or tram=yes. So there should probably be a 
walkingbus=yes or walking_bus=yes tag on that. (Whichever is chosen, it should 
be the same string that’s used for the route relation).

 

From: Lorenzo Stucchi  > 
Sent: Friday, 4 May 2018 19:22
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org  
Subject: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop

 

Hi, 

I saw that there is a specific tag for the walking bus stop, so this is mine 
propose about how to tag them. What do you think about this purpose? 

 

Def: Stop point of walking school bus

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Walkingbus_stop 

 

Thank you,

LorenzoStucchi

 


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop

[Johnparis]

PLEASE do NOT create a highway=walking_bus tag! This would be useful for
the Public Transport v1 scheme. Which hopefully will some year go away.

Please DO follow Thorsten's suggestion and follow PTv2, mapping the stops
as nodes alongside the street/way (not on it) in the proper direction. Tag
each one:
walking_bus=yes
public_transport=platform

If you don't know the side of the street (or it's irrelevant), you can
place the node in the street (as part of the way) and tag it with:
walking_bus=yes
public_transport=stop_position

I see that the route relation was discussed here in October 2016. If you
feel ambitious, you can go a step further and create route relations as
described under PTv2 using:
type=route
route=walking_bus

... and even create route_master relations:
type=route_master
route_master=walking_bus

In any case, please do not create a new highway tag. In hindsight those
were not the best way to go, but there are a million of them (for buses) so
they're not going away anytime soon.

Thanks,

John




On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 5:21 PM,  wrote:

> You’ll probably also need a type of route relation for this?
>
>
>
> Also, public_transport=platform is only valid with at least one  transport
> type specific tag, e.g. bus=yes or tram=yes. So there should probably be a
> walkingbus=yes or walking_bus=yes tag on that. (Whichever is chosen, it
> should be the same string that’s used for the route relation).
>
>
>
> *From:* Lorenzo Stucchi 
> *Sent:* Friday, 4 May 2018 19:22
> *To:* tagging@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I saw that there is a specific tag for the walking bus stop, so this is
> mine propose about how to tag them. What do you think about this purpose?
>
>
>
> Def: Stop point of walking school bus
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Walkingbus_stop
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> LorenzoStucchi
>
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Re: [Tagging] [OKFILTER] Re: Mapping generic sheds

[Johnparis]

I agree with you, Dave, about "shed roof", but I have very often seen/heard
the term "shed" used regardless of the type of roof in the USA.

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Dave Swarthout 
wrote:

> Let me make just one additional comment.
>
> In the U.S. we hear the term "shed roof" frequently. Such a roof is flat
> and is higher on one side than the other; rain and snow run downhill as it
> were and drop off the low side. Hence, IMO, a shed would be any small
> auxiliary building found on farm, home, or factory that has a flat, sloping
> roof. (building=shed)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Rachele Amerini  > wrote:
>
>> Thank you all. Then if in UK English we can use 'barn' to indicate a
>> building that may include animal sheltering I think it would solve my
>> question.
>>
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Re: [Tagging] [OKFILTER] Re: Mapping generic sheds

[Paul Allen]

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 9:09 PM, Johnparis  wrote:

> I agree with you, Dave, about "shed roof", but I have very often
> seen/heard the term "shed" used regardless of the type of roof in the USA.
>
> If one or two people can fit inside, it's a shed.  If you can fit a car
in, and the door is wide enough, it's
a garage.  Bigger than that and it's a barn.  Smaller than a shed and it's
a kennel.

And if it's on a farm, whatever size it is, it's completely filled with all
sorts of random junk.

Very roughly speaking, of course.

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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Dave Swarthout]

Let me make just one additional comment.

In the U.S. we hear the term "shed roof" frequently. Such a roof is flat
and is higher on one side than the other; rain and snow run downhill as it
were and drop off the low side. Hence, IMO, a shed would be any small
auxiliary building found on farm, home, or factory that has a flat, sloping
roof. (building=shed)

Cheers,

Dave

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wrote:

> Thank you all. Then if in UK English we can use 'barn' to indicate a
> building that may include animal sheltering I think it would solve my
> question.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Rachele Amerini]

Thank you all. Then if in UK English we can use 'barn' to indicate a
building that may include animal sheltering I think it would solve my
question.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop

[osm.tagging]

You'll probably also need a type of route relation for this?

 

Also, public_transport=platform is only valid with at least one  transport
type specific tag, e.g. bus=yes or tram=yes. So there should probably be a
walkingbus=yes or walking_bus=yes tag on that. (Whichever is chosen, it
should be the same string that's used for the route relation).

 

From: Lorenzo Stucchi  
Sent: Friday, 4 May 2018 19:22
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop

 

Hi, 

I saw that there is a specific tag for the walking bus stop, so this is mine
propose about how to tag them. What do you think about this purpose? 

 

Def: Stop point of walking school bus

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Walkingbus_stop 

 

Thank you,

LorenzoStucchi

 

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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Steve Doerr]

On 04/05/2018 10:18, pelderson wrote:

Van: Volker Schmidt  


> The problem is that (British) English does not have a word for a 
generic animal-stable. "stable" is for horses. "cow shed" is for 
bovines, "pigsty" for pigs.

> In the US a "barn" may include animal sheltering, but not in UK-English.


> The Oxford does not make that distiction. Generally, barn and shed 
are about what the building looks like. That would be consistent with 
building=*. The usage or function of the building is a much more fleeting

> attribute, which should imho be tagged separately.

Actually, the Oxford English Dictionary has these definitions for 'barn' 
(http://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/15619):


 a. A covered building for the storage of grain; and, in wider usage, 
of hay, straw, flax, and other produce of the earth.


 b. Applied to: A barn-like building for worship.

 c. A stable or cattle-house. U.S.

Note that the animal usage is marked 'U.S.'.

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Re: [Tagging] Unifying large multi-location store chains

[Jo]

2018-05-03 23:27 GMT+02:00 Graeme Fitzpatrick :

> Hi
>
> I think I can see what you're getting at, but, as always, international
> usage is going to rear it's ugly head!
>
> We have Target & K-mart (not Big K-mart) in Australia, but over here
> Lowe's is a men's wear chain (Lowe's hardware was called Masters, but it
> crashed)
>
> There are also Woolworth's Supermarkets, but they are in no way related to
> the US or UK Woolworth chains.
>
> How do we get around problems like these?
>

brand:wikidata to the rescue!

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Re: [Tagging] Unifying large multi-location store chains

[Matthijs Melissen]

On 3 May 2018 at 18:34, Leon Karcher  wrote:
> To have an overview I created a list in the wiki which includes applicable 
> tags
> of some brands, but it's still under construction and only shows the ones that
> I know. So feel free to help.

You are effectively duplicating
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index , which is used by iD,
Vespucci and Go Maps!!. You might consider contributing to this
project instead.

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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Philip Barnes]

On 4 May 2018 09:52:08 BST, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>The problem is that (British) English does not have a word for a
>generic
>animal-stable. "stable" is for horses. "cow shed" is for bovines,
>"pigsty"
>for pigs.
>In the US a "barn" may include animal sheltering, but not in
>UK-English.


Barn is widely used in UK English to describe these buildings. It seems the 
obvious choice. 

Phil (trigpoint) 

>
>
>On 4 May 2018 at 09:39, Martin Koppenhoefer 
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> sent from a phone
>>
>> On 4. May 2018, at 07:23, marc marc 
>wrote:
>>
>> building=farm_auxiliary
>>
>> farm_auxiliary:architecture=shed/*
>>
>>
>> this combination makes no sense.
>> building value is about appearance.
>> so if the appearance is a shed, then building=shed
>>
>>
>>
>> +1, also building=stable or building=pigsty etc. would be ok
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> farm_auxiliary:function=sheeps;cows;horses;*
>>
>>
>> or building:usage ?
>> but a cow is not a usage, nor a function.
>>
>>
>>
>> for animal related features there is the key “animal”, the most used
>value
>> is “yes” https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/animal#values
>> its wiki page suggests keys like cat=yes etc
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animals
>>
>> IMHO for a pigsty pigs would be implicit.
>>
>> building=farm_auxiliary is a more generic “I don’t know it well, but
>it’s
>> part of a farm and not a residential building”-tag. I would prefer
>more
>> specific building values if you do know better.
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>> Martin
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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop

[Lorenzo Stucchi]

Hi,
I saw that there is a specific tag for the walking bus stop, so this is mine 
propose about how to tag them. What do you think about this purpose?

Def: Stop point of walking school bus
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Walkingbus_stop

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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[pelderson]

The Oxford does not make that distiction. Generally, barn and shed are about 
what the building looks like. That would be consistent with building=*. The 
usage or function of the building is a much more fleeting attribute, which 
should imho be tagged separately. 


Verzonden vanaf mijn Samsung Galaxy-smartphone.
 Oorspronkelijk bericht Van: Volker Schmidt  
Datum: 04-05-18  10:52  (GMT+01:00) Aan: "Tag discussion, strategy and related 
tools"  Onderwerp: Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic 
sheds 
The problem is that (British) English does not have a word for a generic 
animal-stable. "stable" is for horses. "cow shed" is for bovines, "pigsty" for 
pigs.
In the US a "barn" may include animal sheltering, but not in UK-English.


On 4 May 2018 at 09:39, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:


sent from a phone
On 4. May 2018, at 07:23, marc marc  wrote:

building=farm_auxiliary
farm_auxiliary:architecture=shed/*

this combination makes no sense.
building value is about appearance.
so if the appearance is a shed, then building=shed


+1, also building=stable or building=pigsty etc. would be ok



farm_auxiliary:function=sheeps;cows;horses;*

or building:usage ?
but a cow is not a usage, nor a function.

for animal related features there is the key “animal”, the most used value is 
“yes” https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/animal#valuesits wiki page 
suggests keys like cat=yes etc https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animals
IMHO for a pigsty pigs would be implicit.
building=farm_auxiliary is a more generic “I don’t know it well, but it’s part 
of a farm and not a residential building”-tag. I would prefer more specific 
building values if you do know better.

cheers,Martin

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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Volker Schmidt]

The problem is that (British) English does not have a word for a generic
animal-stable. "stable" is for horses. "cow shed" is for bovines, "pigsty"
for pigs.
In the US a "barn" may include animal sheltering, but not in UK-English.


On 4 May 2018 at 09:39, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 4. May 2018, at 07:23, marc marc  wrote:
>
> building=farm_auxiliary
>
> farm_auxiliary:architecture=shed/*
>
>
> this combination makes no sense.
> building value is about appearance.
> so if the appearance is a shed, then building=shed
>
>
>
> +1, also building=stable or building=pigsty etc. would be ok
>
>
>
>
> farm_auxiliary:function=sheeps;cows;horses;*
>
>
> or building:usage ?
> but a cow is not a usage, nor a function.
>
>
>
> for animal related features there is the key “animal”, the most used value
> is “yes” https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/animal#values
> its wiki page suggests keys like cat=yes etc
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animals
>
> IMHO for a pigsty pigs would be implicit.
>
> building=farm_auxiliary is a more generic “I don’t know it well, but it’s
> part of a farm and not a residential building”-tag. I would prefer more
> specific building values if you do know better.
>
>
> cheers,
> Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Unifying large multi-location store chains

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 4. May 2018, at 07:01, Leon Karcher  wrote:
> 
> since I'm updating the brands country by country / state by state it should 
> be manageable


while I believe your work will be useful for QA, I don’t think you should 
actually perform these edits globally, but rather publish your list (or better 
a map) of potentially problematic objects so that people with local knowledge 
can fix them.


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Re: [Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

[Mateusz Konieczny]

3. May 2018 14:06 by pene...@live.fr :


> I recently worked a bit on hiking routes, and noticed that some routes have 
> unordered members. 




Ordering them, if possible is helpful. Is there maybe some JOSM function that 
does it automatically?


 

> That's particularly noticeable on waymarkedtrails.org, as it makes the 
> elevation graph rubbish and useless.




That is not really relevant in topic how something should be mapped (in this 
case 


it encourages a correct and useful edit so it is not a problem).


 


> I read the relation:route wiki page, but there is only advice regarding stops 
> order, and not way members order. Shouldn't there be a note on this page 
> regarding the importance of sorting the ways to have a more useful relation 
> than only spaghettis?




Feel free to improve wiki.





>
> By the way, I saw some hiking relations having a node without explicit role, 
> seemingly as a start point; is it a generally accepted, used feature, or only 
> an idiosyncrasy?
>




idiosyncrasy? 


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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

On 4. May 2018, at 07:23, marc marc  wrote:

>> building=farm_auxiliary
>> farm_auxiliary:architecture=shed/*
> 
> this combination makes no sense.
> building value is about appearance.
> so if the appearance is a shed, then building=shed


+1, also building=stable or building=pigsty etc. would be ok



> 
>> farm_auxiliary:function=sheeps;cows;horses;*
> 
> or building:usage ?
> but a cow is not a usage, nor a function.


for animal related features there is the key “animal”, the most used value is 
“yes” https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/animal#values
its wiki page suggests keys like cat=yes etc 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animals

IMHO for a pigsty pigs would be implicit.

building=farm_auxiliary is a more generic “I don’t know it well, but it’s part 
of a farm and not a residential building”-tag. I would prefer more specific 
building values if you do know better.


cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

[Philip Barnes]

How about building=barn?

Phil (trigpoint) 

On 4 May 2018 06:23:13 BST, marc marc  wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Le 04. 05. 18 à 00:06, Warin a écrit :
>> building=farm_auxiliary
>> farm_auxiliary:architecture=shed/*
>
>this combination makes no sense.
>building value is about appearance.
>so if the appearance is a shed, then building=shed
>
> > farm_auxiliary:function=sheeps;cows;horses;*
>
>or building:usage ?
>but a cow is not a usage, nor a function.
>
>Regards,
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