Re: [Tagging] Fruit stands and shops selling fresh fruits?
On 10/08/19 10:48, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Java, Indonesia has many small, open-front shops and roadside stalls which sell a variety of local fruits, found in most cities and neighborhoods. These are called a "toko buah" = "fruit shop". shop=farm doesn't seem appropriate, since these should be located at the farm and have produce mainly from one farm. These fruit shops are found in towns and cities. They are not operated directly by farmers, but they buy fruits in the large farmers market or receive deliveries from several farms, so they can sell several varieties of fruit in season. The Indonesian Tagging Guidelines (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indonesian_Tagging_Guidelines#Daily_Needs) recommend tagging these shops as shop=greengrocer - however a greengrocer in England usually sells vegetables and other perishable foods, as well as fruits. There are a few shops like this in Indonesia, but in Java it's much more common to find a fruit-specific shop than a shop that sells vegetables and fruits. Is there a more specific tag that should be recommended for a shop which specializes in fruit? I see just 60 uses of shop=fruit in taginfo https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=fruit, and 24 shop=fruits I'd say 'a fruit shop' in normal speech, so shop=fruit? If wanted, the key produce=* could be used to detail what was sold, even add conditional for seasonal variations. Overpass turbo shows a wide distribution. I'd go a head and use it, and add a wiki page (with no declared status). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Fruit stands and shops selling fresh fruits?
Java, Indonesia has many small, open-front shops and roadside stalls which sell a variety of local fruits, found in most cities and neighborhoods. These are called a "toko buah" = "fruit shop". shop=farm doesn't seem appropriate, since these should be located at the farm and have produce mainly from one farm. These fruit shops are found in towns and cities. They are not operated directly by farmers, but they buy fruits in the large farmers market or receive deliveries from several farms, so they can sell several varieties of fruit in season. The Indonesian Tagging Guidelines (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indonesian_Tagging_Guidelines#Daily_Needs) recommend tagging these shops as shop=greengrocer - however a greengrocer in England usually sells vegetables and other perishable foods, as well as fruits. There are a few shops like this in Indonesia, but in Java it's much more common to find a fruit-specific shop than a shop that sells vegetables and fruits. Is there a more specific tag that should be recommended for a shop which specializes in fruit? I see just 60 uses of shop=fruit in taginfo https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=fruit, and 24 shop=fruits -Joseph ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Use of tag "import=yes" on objects, not changesets?
Thanks, Dave. Re: > "Having that tag allows us to easily locate and check the validity of their work. > ... After we check the work, we remove the import tag." This usage would be incompatible with what I was told about Indonesia: if they want to use this tag to find how many roads they added, they probably don't want me to remove it. Even for your use-case in Thailand, I think it would be better to use a different tag, like "computer_vision_assisted" for the facebook stuff, or something else more specific, since "import=yes" should mean that the data came from an external source, rather than from on of our usually sources aerial imagery. Joseph On 8/10/19, Dave Swarthout wrote: > The reason those objects (mostly highways) are tagged that way in Thailand, > at least, is because much of the mapping done by the Facebook and Grab > teams was rather poorly executed. Having that tag allows us to easily > locate and check the validity of their work. One of the regular Thailand > contributors developed a Map Paint Style that outlines all highways tagged > with import=yes in JOSM. After we check the work, we remove the import tag. > > I think this is a valid use for the tag, and it's not meant to be a > permanent tag in any case. > > Cheers, > > Dave > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:49 AM Paul Allen wrote: > >> On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 at 15:23, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> >>> >>> f.s.v.o. "simple", a relatively foolproof method on a Linux machine is >>> >>> 1. download indonesia history pbf, >>> 2. run osmium command line tool to convert into ASCII "opl" format, >>> 3. grep how many ways with highway=* and v=1 are mapped by their team. >>> >> >> You omitted step 0: install osmium. >> >> And possibly step -1: figure out how to compile and install osmium >> because >> it's not >> available as a package for the distro you're using. >> >> Yeah, both of those steps ought to be obvious to Linux users. But if >> somebody >> puts a Linux distro on an old computer specifically just for this then >> those are things >> they need to be aware of. Osmium isn't a standard part of Linux and it's >> not available >> pre-packaged for all distros. >> >> -- >> Paul >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > > -- > Dave Swarthout > Homer, Alaska > Chiang Mai, Thailand > Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Use of tag "import=yes" on objects, not changesets?
The reason those objects (mostly highways) are tagged that way in Thailand, at least, is because much of the mapping done by the Facebook and Grab teams was rather poorly executed. Having that tag allows us to easily locate and check the validity of their work. One of the regular Thailand contributors developed a Map Paint Style that outlines all highways tagged with import=yes in JOSM. After we check the work, we remove the import tag. I think this is a valid use for the tag, and it's not meant to be a permanent tag in any case. Cheers, Dave On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:49 AM Paul Allen wrote: > On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 at 15:23, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> >> f.s.v.o. "simple", a relatively foolproof method on a Linux machine is >> >> 1. download indonesia history pbf, >> 2. run osmium command line tool to convert into ASCII "opl" format, >> 3. grep how many ways with highway=* and v=1 are mapped by their team. >> > > You omitted step 0: install osmium. > > And possibly step -1: figure out how to compile and install osmium because > it's not > available as a package for the distro you're using. > > Yeah, both of those steps ought to be obvious to Linux users. But if > somebody > puts a Linux distro on an old computer specifically just for this then > those are things > they need to be aware of. Osmium isn't a standard part of Linux and it's > not available > pre-packaged for all distros. > > -- > Paul > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Use of tag "import=yes" on objects, not changesets?
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 at 15:23, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > f.s.v.o. "simple", a relatively foolproof method on a Linux machine is > > 1. download indonesia history pbf, > 2. run osmium command line tool to convert into ASCII "opl" format, > 3. grep how many ways with highway=* and v=1 are mapped by their team. > You omitted step 0: install osmium. And possibly step -1: figure out how to compile and install osmium because it's not available as a package for the distro you're using. Yeah, both of those steps ought to be obvious to Linux users. But if somebody puts a Linux distro on an old computer specifically just for this then those are things they need to be aware of. Osmium isn't a standard part of Linux and it's not available pre-packaged for all distros. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Use of tag "import=yes" on objects, not changesets?
Hi, On 09.08.19 15:32, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Or perhaps there is a simple way they could check changesets to find > out how many roads they have added? I'd like to suggest how they could > do this, to avoid adding extra tags. f.s.v.o. "simple", a relatively foolproof method on a Linux machine is 1. download indonesia history pbf, 2. run osmium command line tool to convert into ASCII "opl" format, 3. grep how many ways with highway=* and v=1 are mapped by their team. Steps 2 and 3 combined could look like osmium cat indonesia-internal.osh.pbf -f opl | grep "^w" | grep highway= | grep -e " uxybot " -e " uArjanO "| wc -l [==] 100% 7413 (for a sample count of all highways created by users xybot and ArjanO). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Use of tag "import=yes" on objects, not changesets?
resend with 2 corrected errors (in caps) Le 09.08.19 à 15:46, marc marc a écrit : > Le 09.08.19 à 15:32, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : >> I'm trying to figure out what this means > > it mean the contributeur doesn't understand changeset TAG > or understand it but find it more convenient to use tags on > objects and stamps if it's not reliable > >> doesn't have a wiki page. > > add a redirect to the import guideline ? > >> calculate how many roads we already mapped > > Pascal Neis tools allow this kind of stat > diff scan also. > load all changeset of those user also ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Use of tag "import=yes" on objects, not changesets?
Le 09.08.19 à 15:32, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > I'm trying to figure out what this means it mean the contributeur doesn't understand changeset set or understand it but find it more convenient to use tags on changeset and stamps if it's not reliable > doesn't have a wiki page. add a redirect to the import guideline ? > calculate how many roads we already mapped Pascal Neis tools allow this kind of stat diff scan also. load all changeset of those user also ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Use of tag "import=yes" on objects, not changesets?
I believe the tag "import=yes" was intended to be added to changesets, to show that the changeset data was imported from some outside source. However, it's also been used on a number of database objects directly. I'm trying to figure out what this means, since it's one of the more common keys that doesn't have a wiki page. In Indonesia it's now quite common, it turns out, because there is a team mapping roads from aerial imagery and adding "import=yes" to each segment: "yes that's true, tag "import=yes" is an additional tag to calculate how many roads we already mapped. because right now we under the project to mapping all Indonesian roads." This seems like an inappropriate use of this tag, since tracing from aerial imagery isn't an import. Is there some other tag that they could use which would be clearer? Or perhaps there is a simple way they could check changesets to find out how many roads they have added? I'd like to suggest how they could do this, to avoid adding extra tags. Joseph ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
